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Finally we can start moving past everyone saying "Metaphor is all about racism but it's done poorly and naive" This game has so much thematic depth and it'll take years for people to start really appreciating all the little details.
People see any story that confronts societies ills with optimistic solutions as poorly done and naive. Naruto got the same treatment for its themes surrounding the cycle of violence and hatred. Lotr gets the same treatment being declared by GRRM as a simply story of good vs evil.
The “You have a heart of gold, don’t let them take it from you!” line holds a place in your heart similar to how your Tokyo Godfather’s video has in mine. I also love this video. Thank you for making it!
being raised catholic, i learned pretty quickly that the catholic church really wants to be the top dog of everything in history. it wasn't until later in life when i learned that they don't have to be top dog in *my life.* also, i literally shouted "YES" at the eupha part. truly cultured.
I to be fair, they kinda were in the middle age Europe and early modern Americans. I mean still being arubaly the largest sects of Christianity is still impressed.
There have been many Rella's in church history. There are good things people can take from religion. I personally love mythology and history of humanity. How we have narrativised our ways in the world from different times and contexts.
I think the disclaimer at the start of the game about how "dont attack any organisation" told me everything I needed to know. So glad this game lived up to expectations. Also, I knew I was missing a piece of the puzzle on Louis. Survivor's Bias. It's not repeated or emphasised in this video but it really did just make everything make sense.
Yesss, the only hint the game drops about that is in the last quest of the game. Calling his aims 'solipsistic'. Meaning to assert truth based solely on one's own experiences, rather than to draw from other points of view, or a consensus. He experienced what he experienced, that shaped his view, and no amount of other lived experiences could ever hope to reshape that. He held onto his ideal with such fervor that he was blinded to the world. Ironically the same mistake that he rightfully accused the Sanctists of.
@Bakuplayer13 i must've missed the line about him being solipsistic or glazed over it or something lol but yeah it makes him make so much sense and the irony you pointed out is lovely too
One thing that nice about metaphor is seeing a fanasty showing mature and dark theme without going grimdark and the likes but more noble bright. Seriously it a breathe of fresh air
Even if it isn't a huge cultural deepdive like your 4 analysis, I think individual character analysis on the party members or anyone you find compelling would be really cool. From what I've seen there's not much of that with metaphor atm and you've proven you're very good at that kind of thing
@Hiding In Private I thank you for making this video. I think people need to think long and hard about how and why Metaphor’s story is the way it is. This game has given me hope ever since most of everything that happened last year. Fantasy is not a means of escape, nor should you give into the harsh realities. Fantasy should give you hope. Hope to face the dark realities we face
It may seem a nitpick, but I have to offer a correction on 2:13, since it colors the commentary of the rest of this video. The Catholic Church *didn’t* have a stranglehold on Europe during the Early Middle Ages (sometimes referred to as the “Dark Ages”, though this term is not used by modern historians for reasons to extensive to get in here). The Church was actually weak and decentralized during this period, roughly year 500-1000. It was towards the end of this period that Church began to become more of an independent political power. But this didn’t coincide with a period of regression, but a period of relative prosperity and intellectualism, the so-called “High Middle Ages” (roughly 1000-1300). The idea of a Catholic-led “age of darkness” is itself largely an invention of Protestant and later Enlightenment authors. To bolster their own religions and philosophies, they painted a simplistic picture of a rival belief system as backwards and barbaric. As you say in your video, it’s a pretty universal story; we depict the “other” as savages to reinforce our own sense of rightness and persuade others that our way is the correct one. I think it’s important to bring this up, because it does touch on the game’s themes of prejudice, and how narratives can be manipulated to further it. And because simplistic, negative depictions of the Middle Ages are a huge bug bear for those who study or just enjoy medieval history (like me).
I see what you're saying and want to address it in two parts. The first is the words I used, I emphasize that it is a negatively remembered era in the cultural memory and that people have sometimes colloquially refered to the period as the 'dark ages'. I'm well aware it's a general and not fully true term but this video is specifically talking about the way that 'history becomes myth, becomes legend, becomes reality'. I do this with the Renaissance and how despite being 'the enlightment' people were having mania about vampires and witches. The second is, I certainly may have given the impression the Catholic church had more power than it did especially prior to Charlamange or in the absence of clear rulers. The years after the Visigoths sacked Rome were definitely full of disarray, but medieval punishments carried out by the church, all types of torture and the very fact that the inquisitions and crusades also live in this time period it's hard to stay my hand too much. If I said the words in this very video through a majority of this time period, and it reached as many people as this video had, I would likely have reason to be scared for my life. I do understand though 'Dark ages. Is a wildly inaccurate and euro-centric name (which is why I referred to the time as being in Europe) I also will say interpersonally I love the middle ages. They spark so much intrigue and there's a reason they are the centerpiece for so much fantasy. My point throughout the video though is that regardless of the cultural memories we attach to eras, there were always examples that run in the face of these ideas. Thanks for commenting!
It’s not about “staying your hand” as such, but being accurate and balanced. Sure, there was a lot of torture, execution, and warfare in the Middle Ages, some of it church-sponsored. But most of it actually wasn’t, and such practices certainly weren’t exclusive the Europe as a region or Catholicism as a religion. For example, the last quarter of the first millenium is also often remembered as the “Golden Age of Islam” for the intellectual and artistic achievements in the Muslim world at this time. But at the same time, Muslim states of the era greatly expanded slavery (including sexual slavery), practiced brutal punishments, and endorsed a religious doctrine that labeled all non-believers as targets for eventual conquest and subjugation. Of course, this ties back into one of the themes of the game, which is that nostalgia for a past time can represent an ideal, not the reality that actually existed. This time period is still the subject of much nostalgia and romanticization in the Muslim world, but many forget its nastier aspects. But just like I wouldn’t reduce this period of Islamic history to (what we would today perceive as) its negative qualities, it’s also wrong to do that for medieval Catholic Europe. The High Middle Ages were, for example, the period of Gothic architecture, the birth of the university system, and the spread of organized charity. And these things happened not in spite of the Catholic Church, but in large part because of it. It was the Church’s institutional and financial support that made many of these developments possible. That brings me to another point, which is that it’s just categorically false to say that the Church “opposed every major scientific advancement”. This is a long-standing piece of hateful anti-Catholic prejudice, and it’s based around extrapolating the Church’s infamous opposition to heliocentric theory onto the entirety of scientific history- which is obviously a fallacy. We should strive for a wholistic and balanced understanding of the past, which means not glorifying or demonizing particular periods of time, but to view them in all their context and complexity.
“Fantasy Lives On.” Never have I felt more power in those three words alone. 9:08 And even though Will was created from the Prince’s… “will,” the Traveling Boy exists to be the hero of the story his original self couldn’t be. By the power of hope. The power of fantasy. And the power to believe in the impossible. The protagonist became Will, a Hero to save the Country. 12:26 Hence the meaning in the many sacrifices in the game. As Basilio says: It’s not about who/what is being sacrificed, but what matters is what took to achieve that dream. 14:27 “Anger and hate… are supreme.” Xemnas. 16:08 and this is why I hate Forden. 24:04 I love how mastering Devil Summoner and Soul Hacker (of the Seeker Archetype Will unlocks) allows Eupha to get Royal Summoner near the end of the game. Royal Summoner’s movesets combine the summons of the monsters in this game, with some of the aforementioned demons of SMT and Persona fame. 25:33 While Rella’s death wasn’t as impactful to me as I had hoped, it is what she does in the context of her death that makes this moment powerful IMO. 31:51 It’s cool that you tie this topic in with Will trying to help the people. And the fact that he had no way of defending himself. 32:53 you could say that about the people that denounce this game. 36:59 Fidelio is my favorite non party member/social link character in Atlus too.
With those lines and the likes, I geuine thought metpahor was going to be more meta like. As in atlus was going make there "undertale/deltarune" and the likes. It kinda does in the endgame with More. In fact come to think of it, hythloadoues does look like a clemar version of asgore and Louis is what I image asriel god form to look like if human. Also I got some asriel vibes from the prince.
@ really, I think the main point of the theme of Fantasy, and why the “Fantasy is X,” is because this game is the world of Fantasy we are trying to protect. By protecting this “Fantasy,” we ourselves are proving to More that we care about the Fantasy world and the people in it.
@@TheJaredPunchthere also a sense that we should express our own fanasty and the likes, even if might be out there and look silly. It reminds me of the new wave sci fi of the 1960s and 1970s, where it encouraged more out there ideas, writing styles and the likes.
Pertinent to this abstraction, this 'Metaphor', the collective evolution of human understanding stands as perhaps the single most disquieting element of our existence, insofar as its exemplification of the transience, confinement, and ever-impending obsolescence of which it is centrally comprised. That which is considered 'Truth' and 'Legacy' fundamentally exists as the accumulation of innumerable, compounding historical constructs, ofttimes so directly mired in decay, corruption, and active erasure that reality itself proves indistinguishable from the narratives constructed by those who would perpetuate the cyclical subjugation of the masses, the artificial conflict and division which pervades all human history. This conceptualization of memories' intrinsic metamorphosis as humanity evolves itself portrays the fragility and transience of our existence, the inevitable, immutable decay of knowledge and will as time incessantly persists. Moreover, the abstraction of which you speak - the corruption and deterioration of reality to the ends of oppression and constraining the pursuit of knowledge, the active erasure of progress which proves an 'Inconvenience' - itself conveys the dogmatic idealization endemic to human perception, the abstraction of identity and occurrence and the nature of existence, thus perpetuating the aforementioned recurrent, self-amplifying cycles from which we ought to have learned. Personally, I obviously don't subscribe to the veracity of the Jungian 'Collective Unconscious', insofar as its material presence as postulated by Jung himself. However, I consider a manner of externalized, conditioned universal thought - namely the proliferation of social narratives and foundational beliefs informing the construction of human identity, alongside the subsequent nature of our society - a prerequisite to a meritable understanding of humanity, as it serves as an encapsulation of the 'Truth' to which we each adhere. It is my opinion that the contemporary malleability of truth's most disquieting component is its self-amplifying limitation of the scope of human knowledge, thus precluding any manner of systemic confrontation, empathy, and symptomatically progress. Naturally, this perpetuation of deceit - and subsequent internalization of an unequivocally broken conception of human history - proves wholly conducive to the ends of those who desire the status quo's permanence, as human beings become evermore immured within our own exploitation via a manufactured, intergenerational ignorance which strengthens our shackles, facilitated by a media and academic ecosystem which stands in diametric opposition to the reality it purports to capture. Through the subjugation oft-invoked throughout this comment, our intrinsic yearning to 'Believe' manifests as a mechanism of further confinement, inculcating naught but incuriosiry and paranoia in its proponents, corrupting all human thought and expression in its wake. To this end, one must lament the potential lack of a solution to this existential struggle, that all which dares to live is preordained to decay and oblivion, endlessly degenerating in an infinite cycle of suffering and exploitation perpetuated by and for those who would center humanity's 'Trajectory' as their own to control. And yet, the 'Belief' in 'Transcendence' remains seemingly eternal throughout human endeavors, our striving having been exemplified tenfold by the contemporary advent of education and interconnectivity permitting us cognizance of these cycles, this decay of humanity's existence, engendering the ability to meaningfully unveil and confront a past once shrouded by fog. Perhaps there does indeed exist hope for humanity after all, should we elect to fight against this malignant contagion plaguing the nature of existence through knowledge, solidarity, and the eternal pursuit of understanding the beautiful unknowability of our existence, unconstrained by the systems attempting to reduce our world to nothingness. Perhaps something of a nonsensical, insufficiently-articulated screed, however I've considered these concepts at length as I strive to implement them as central thematic threads comprising my own work, and as such imagined they may prove pertinent to this particular discourse. Excellent video as always, take care one and all.
This is such a great video!! I was literally on the verges of tears the whole time and loved that you took the postcards! ❤ I feel like that is a great way to remember this video game! It sure is something special, and thank you for the amazing introspection of the game that a lot of people have related to!!!
Will x Gallica for life, but I do see Eupha as the 'canon' love interest, maybe the manga will go that route. Some people see the size difference and say no, but I say they're not creative and point to King's magic. Just give Gallica the ability to change size and we're good, probably OT3 with Will/Gallica/Eupha.
very beautifully executed parallels pointed out between reality and the game, its sad that methapor came at the time it did but its message couldn't reach more people, because i trully believe anyone with an open mind would become kinder to others by simply playing this game
So glad you picked up this game, bro. You never miss with these analysis videos. Metaphor Refantazio is inspiring and honestly Studio Zero really did cook with the idea that Hope can be a reality even though are those who see it as a fantasy.👑
I had no idea you were going to make a Metaphor analysis, but having enjoyed your P4 analysis as much as I did, I'm so happy to see this appear in my recommended. While I love all the persona games, Metaphor is the first Atlus game I played where by the end of it I felt like my understanding of its messages was still barely scratching the surface of all the things the game actually had to say. This game *feels* like it was 7 years in the making, and I knew I needed some heavy analysis from perspectives other than my own if I wanted to really unpack everything here. Also, wishing you the best of luck with the game jam!!
Me too, actually I can’t play the game yet 🥲 maybe a year from now I’ll come back. I really want to play this as blindly as possible, I haven’t had that experience as much.
This feels like Homestuck Explained back then I... This reminds me so, and it feels like it so. Thank you for this. All of this. Thank you for the video.
just adding an extra detail as while the Etrian Odyssey franchise are a flagship for Altus they aren't the most well known, but the the entirety of Drakongrace Shinjuku is a 1 to 1 recreation of several floors of the 5th Stratum "Lost Shinjuku", most important being floors 21 and 25 stratum from the first Etrian Odyssey game but what makes it such a notable choice is that the 5th Stratum is where you hit a major twist as to why the Etria Yggdrasil was never fully mapped: The Radha enforcers killed everyone else who came before your party on the 21st floor, their reason? The Radha believe that if the truth of the Yggdrasil's origin is learnt then there will be no trade in Etria thus slowly killing the town. and the final boss for the Stratum? The Radha head who has become a part of the tree. (Untold implies the presence of mind control but IDK because that kinda dampens the impact) another minor detail is they put the first instance of the cutscened Human (the one that visually resembles a knife with two large legs) right before the place you fought the enforcers. and before anyone says it's a coincidence that they line up: there are 6 games with the 3rd being the most popular and around 6 stratums to a game and Atlus have requested that images of certain dungeons not be shared due to spoilers in the past (Persona Q final dungeon for example) they deliberately chose Lost Shinjuku
@HidinginPrivate not surprised, the EO games were only on DS/3DS till the HD remaster for Switch so it was less likely people would play them. Plus the the most popular game in the franchise is 3 due to how it differs
@@angelorosso4871I imagine we would have to go into much more depth than UA-cam comments are made for to get to a resolution on this. I will give some assurance though to try and make sure in the future to caveat and word things more specifically. I don't particularly agree with your reply, but I can see where this criticism is coming from and nobody is hurt by going a bit more indepth, so I'll try to do that more in the future.
Great video man. Metaphor was easily my favorite game that came out last year. And even now, I'm still surprised the story was as grounded and empathetic as it was. I don't think an atlus game has resonated with me this much since persona 3 FES.
Found this video randomly on my recommendations and gave it a chance. You have a new subscriber! Very well made video, very though provoking and very well articulated. Never got around to playing Metaphor when it came out last year, but just recently finished the game a few days ago. Definitely game of the year so, and will probably be hard to be beat. Probably my favorite Atlus to game out, honestly. The world and the characters are so well fleshed out, Heismay being a stand out and my favorite. It really did take me by surprise how..relevant the story and theme of the game is to today's current situation. Really hit close to home being in the U.S. with all that is currently happening and my political and moral ideology. Anyways, just wanna say again, great video 🙂🙂 I look forward to seeing more from your channel!
You touched on a concept that I think applies a lot to Junah when it comes to her archetype, the idea of cultural memories persisting. But I think there's a divergence, although showing the symbol associated with fusing a persona I found it interesting she doesnt actually summon a persona that we would recognize unlike with Eupha who just summons smt demons. I think this may be in refrence to how the process of awakening to an archetype isnt like awakening to a persona, there is no shadown integration it seems. So instead of reflecting the Jungian true self attained through the individuation process, as is seen in persona; she instead utilized what is more commonly associated with a persona, various masks that range in authenticity. I also found it interesting how there is a talk about her "true self" a concept Rise also pondered (a connection that seems intentional given both their characters similarities). I think the fact that in Junah's case there is a more concrete "true self" in a physical sense could be another indication of the split between how the concepts of a persona are potrayed, how certain pieces of knowledge make it through but not intact. The fact that Junah in particular becomes a magic researcher at the end when she is shown using bits and pieces of old knowledge, doesnt seem like a mere coincidence, especially with the team who made the game (they love little details and refrences). Who knows though, I thought it was neat to read it like that anyway. Also could Eupha's spear be a comp? That'd be cute
@@HidinginPrivate Don't apologise, make the videos you wanna. Even if I haven't watched SU, I'll be here for the videos on the ones that I have seen. And others will be there as my inverse.
19:29 Marcion's canon had no bearing over the end result of the new testament canon, we have the muraturion fragments and the Diatessarion from the same time frame that was already in circulation of the churches in both Asia minor and northen egypt. The first actual canon of the new testament proposed in synodal law was in Carthage 382.
This absolute statement seems contrary to the people actively studying this stuff. Here's a few scholars who have been arguing for what I was saying, and I feel they are the most up to date and historically accurate: Dr.Markus Vinzent Dr.Jack Bull Dr.Mark G. Gilby Dr.M David Litwa And many many more. People argue to tie the Q source to Marcion and that Marcion' kept the Pauline movement prominent in a way that forced acknowledgement from the people who ended up becoming the state church.
To be honest, i'm new here, subscribed purely after that Persona 4 analysis, but glad you got some new stuff going. Btw, your pronunciation of Japanese is sooo pleasant
This game will be one of my favorite games of all time. But there was something that bothered me as I got to the end. I finished this game on the night of the election. I loved that Louis stayed the villain the entire way through and the boss fight against him had me mix reality and fantasy in the sense that fighting against someone like him will take everything you have and more. I lost to him a couple of times, and each time I had to use most if not all my items that I found or created. I didn’t know some of the strategies people found to make the fight easier (I started since the demo and release), but beating him felt so satisfying in the way that it feels good to reach a stable point in your life. You feel like things can progress now, that real change can happen now. And then the ending came, and the world that Will and his friends ruled over has now slowly become a better place in just over a year. I went to sleep, believing in fantasy but woke up to reality and saw who won the election. If someone could explain to me, what was the real answer Will and his companions would bring when facing the harsh reality of their world. And can you compare them to the “answers” we bring to our own? Are the answers we have just “we have to be tolerant, hopeful, and mindful of others”? Are they not just fighting for stability and hoping that things can get to a point where someone can finally say “we can do THIS to make the world better”? Is a better world simply just keeping things stable without any progress to new and better things? I don’t agree with many of the so called “answers” the current president has due to how extreme and naive they are, but why do the “good guys” have to play on such a moral high ground? Are we not allowed to get to their level and bring our answers to such extremities? It’s always just “hope for the best in people”, and yet the people have chosen what’s worst for us multiple times now. Maybe I misunderstood Metaphor and the world right now. I just hate that I will always hope for the best in everything I believe in but will expect the worst.
Ah, basically, you're impatient and can't deal with frustration. What you're doing is basically jackboot envy. You know, what Louis suggests. Sometimes you have to get things through by force, but to be honest, what you're suggesting is to make the violence the core of the ideology based on a very naive and self-excusing idea of what happened last election, because everything suggests it was more due to failures of the status quo and anger at incumbency than anyone liking the current president in great numbers. Basically, buck up and grow up - growth is hard and inconstant, sometimes fruitless, news at 11.
@ peak video (though i hope you'll make a video even if short talking about forden / louis alone, you talking about the whole church thing and survivorship bias has me curious)
16:59 Did you accidentally forgot to cut something here? You repeated your point twice about the catholic church reclaiming that someone bringing forth a discovery that was condemned by the church was christian all along, with slightly changed wording
@HidinginPrivate Ah, no worries. I wasn't born in a christian/catholic/protestant-majority country so I'm not quite aware of the differences between the three. Great analysis, and I like the part about wanting to help others and believe in humanity even despite the fact that they are "stupid" or even bigoted, because everyone's part of the system all the same.
The music is perfectly incorporated with the visuals, writing is peak, pacing is amazing, and I feel radicalized to the agenda of empathy Okay but unironically, this is incredible and reinforces what I've been believing for a long time, thank you.
Not since playing the persona game for the first time and the knight of the old repulbic duology where an rpg has amazed me. Seriously it deserves those awards it got Also it message it something we need given recent stuff happening.
OK I genuinely dislike how much people attack Christianity pointing at all its flaws without seeing the good it does even day to day I'm agnostic and even i can see the good moral principles it teaches the charity done by believers the fact that it was the teachings of Christianity that led to the ending of the global slave trade. There's religions out there that are so so much worse religions that promote child marriage ones that essentially argue that existence itself is evil. I don't know i guess i'm just tired of people attacking something that has a pretty net positive effect on the world when they're genuinely evil religions out there. I also find the angels and god are evil and demons and the devil troupe annoying and overdone.
Stating historical facts and patterns of powerful institutions isn't attacking Christianity itself. I give credence, as does the game, to genuine believers and people who do good even inside negative structures, so this comment also partially reads like you didn't watch the video. Based on the comment I also think you just have swallowed a lot of propaganda because Christianity did NOT end the slave trade. Look at what critical scholars or those not signing faith statements have to say about literally any period of time where Christianity was in power. Like if you're being honest, I don't think you can create more of a directly false statement than 'Christianity ended the slave trade'. That's a joke statement only made by apologists.
@@HidinginPrivate the main abolitionists were Christians making arguments from the bibles teachings its not exactly hard to see how the moral principles from the bible led to the ending of slavery just because the catholic church sucks doesn't mean the entire religion is evil. unlike Islam which actively promotes slavery rape and murder. Also critical scholars men who live their lives in societies built by the moral principles of Christianity who actively argue against everything to do with religion and seem to want to divorce every moral development in history away from the religious beliefs of the men who created them aren't exactly the most unbiased people. I'm agnostic not anti-theistic like the critical scholars who seem to want to deny that religon is a biologically engrained in humans and even they are not immune to it.
@@HidinginPrivate oh so you're saying that a religion that taught about how the ancestry of its followers or their teachers used to be slaves and that the abusive treatment led them to flee into the desert didn't have anything to do with the fact that slavery practically didn't exist in europe by the time of the discovery of the new world cause you know that totally definitely didn't have anything to do with history the lion of whitehall definitely wasn't making arguments from Christian principles for the abolishment of slavery
@ critical scholars are the most disingenuous people for their anti religious beliefs they deny all good aspects of it while living in societies built by the principles and moral practices of those religious while also denying a base fact religion is a biological fact of humanity that they themselves have fallen into all while denying that their belief system itself is in fundamental practice a religion. South park is 100% right that atheism is just another religion.
@@nothappening5510what I'm saying is it is very clear that your information sources are coming from a very small variety of places and that if you are agnostic it shouldn't burden you to look into what actual scholars and people who dedicate their lives learning and teaching this stuff at an academic level are saying. Even most Seminary Graduates would disagree with your initial statement about the slave trade.
Well... That was a poignant argument and line is logic. I am going to have to listen to this again soon because of the shear density of it. As a former Catholic and leftist living in a deep Red area, i also think I'm going to have to give Metaphor a playthrough. Finally play a more recent Atlus game than Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together
Bruh I was not expecting HBO Max to take down Steven Universe this soon lol, I was cynical enough to presume they'd do it at some point but they still surprised me. They must be financially on-fire behind the scenes 🔥
Thank you everyone who waited so long. This video is important to me, as the game is. Also, I am now entered into the BIGMODE game-jam. Follow my BSKY for updates n such. Thank you for those who maintained their financial support for me during this embarrassingly extended drought. Lots of Love. Take care of yourselves
Finally we can start moving past everyone saying "Metaphor is all about racism but it's done poorly and naive"
This game has so much thematic depth and it'll take years for people to start really appreciating all the little details.
Glad I haven't seen people saying this because I would rip my hair out
@@HidinginPrivateI have and it definitely confused me how people just didn’t pay attention
People see any story that confronts societies ills with optimistic solutions as poorly done and naive. Naruto got the same treatment for its themes surrounding the cycle of violence and hatred. Lotr gets the same treatment being declared by GRRM as a simply story of good vs evil.
The “You have a heart of gold, don’t let them take it from you!” line holds a place in your heart similar to how your Tokyo Godfather’s video has in mine.
I also love this video. Thank you for making it!
being raised catholic, i learned pretty quickly that the catholic church really wants to be the top dog of everything in history. it wasn't until later in life when i learned that they don't have to be top dog in *my life.*
also, i literally shouted "YES" at the eupha part. truly cultured.
I to be fair, they kinda were in the middle age Europe and early modern Americans. I mean still being arubaly the largest sects of Christianity is still impressed.
@@starmaker75 *they're not _to me_
sorry
There have been many Rella's in church history. There are good things people can take from religion. I personally love mythology and history of humanity. How we have narrativised our ways in the world from different times and contexts.
I think the disclaimer at the start of the game about how "dont attack any organisation" told me everything I needed to know. So glad this game lived up to expectations.
Also, I knew I was missing a piece of the puzzle on Louis. Survivor's Bias. It's not repeated or emphasised in this video but it really did just make everything make sense.
Yesss, the only hint the game drops about that is in the last quest of the game. Calling his aims 'solipsistic'.
Meaning to assert truth based solely on one's own experiences, rather than to draw from other points of view, or a consensus.
He experienced what he experienced, that shaped his view, and no amount of other lived experiences could ever hope to reshape that.
He held onto his ideal with such fervor that he was blinded to the world. Ironically the same mistake that he rightfully accused the Sanctists of.
@Bakuplayer13 i must've missed the line about him being solipsistic or glazed over it or something lol but yeah it makes him make so much sense and the irony you pointed out is lovely too
One thing that nice about metaphor is seeing a fanasty showing mature and dark theme without going grimdark and the likes but more noble bright. Seriously it a breathe of fresh air
" 57:33 Just play the game, coward "
Well _sir_ I'll have you know that I very much wish to, but I suffer from a chronic disease called "being poor"
Oi mate. Where ya been?
Ascending to the 3rd Heaven
He was....... He was.... He was hiding in private........... I'm sorry yeah I'm done
@@HidinginPrivateShallan moment
Soooo happy to see this video in my feed!! I was really hoping you would make a Metaphor video
I was hoping I would too! Glad it materialized!
Even if it isn't a huge cultural deepdive like your 4 analysis, I think individual character analysis on the party members or anyone you find compelling would be really cool. From what I've seen there's not much of that with metaphor atm and you've proven you're very good at that kind of thing
Well thank you. There is certainly more meat to dive into
@Hiding In Private I thank you for making this video. I think people need to think long and hard about how and why Metaphor’s story is the way it is.
This game has given me hope ever since most of everything that happened last year. Fantasy is not a means of escape, nor should you give into the harsh realities. Fantasy should give you hope. Hope to face the dark realities we face
It may seem a nitpick, but I have to offer a correction on 2:13, since it colors the commentary of the rest of this video. The Catholic Church *didn’t* have a stranglehold on Europe during the Early Middle Ages (sometimes referred to as the “Dark Ages”, though this term is not used by modern historians for reasons to extensive to get in here). The Church was actually weak and decentralized during this period, roughly year 500-1000. It was towards the end of this period that Church began to become more of an independent political power. But this didn’t coincide with a period of regression, but a period of relative prosperity and intellectualism, the so-called “High Middle Ages” (roughly 1000-1300).
The idea of a Catholic-led “age of darkness” is itself largely an invention of Protestant and later Enlightenment authors. To bolster their own religions and philosophies, they painted a simplistic picture of a rival belief system as backwards and barbaric. As you say in your video, it’s a pretty universal story; we depict the “other” as savages to reinforce our own sense of rightness and persuade others that our way is the correct one.
I think it’s important to bring this up, because it does touch on the game’s themes of prejudice, and how narratives can be manipulated to further it. And because simplistic, negative depictions of the Middle Ages are a huge bug bear for those who study or just enjoy medieval history (like me).
I see what you're saying and want to address it in two parts.
The first is the words I used, I emphasize that it is a negatively remembered era in the cultural memory and that people have sometimes colloquially refered to the period as the 'dark ages'. I'm well aware it's a general and not fully true term but this video is specifically talking about the way that 'history becomes myth, becomes legend, becomes reality'. I do this with the Renaissance and how despite being 'the enlightment' people were having mania about vampires and witches.
The second is, I certainly may have given the impression the Catholic church had more power than it did especially prior to Charlamange or in the absence of clear rulers. The years after the Visigoths sacked Rome were definitely full of disarray, but medieval punishments carried out by the church, all types of torture and the very fact that the inquisitions and crusades also live in this time period it's hard to stay my hand too much. If I said the words in this very video through a majority of this time period, and it reached as many people as this video had, I would likely have reason to be scared for my life. I do understand though 'Dark ages. Is a wildly inaccurate and euro-centric name (which is why I referred to the time as being in Europe)
I also will say interpersonally I love the middle ages. They spark so much intrigue and there's a reason they are the centerpiece for so much fantasy. My point throughout the video though is that regardless of the cultural memories we attach to eras, there were always examples that run in the face of these ideas. Thanks for commenting!
It’s not about “staying your hand” as such, but being accurate and balanced. Sure, there was a lot of torture, execution, and warfare in the Middle Ages, some of it church-sponsored. But most of it actually wasn’t, and such practices certainly weren’t exclusive the Europe as a region or Catholicism as a religion. For example, the last quarter of the first millenium is also often remembered as the “Golden Age of Islam” for the intellectual and artistic achievements in the Muslim world at this time. But at the same time, Muslim states of the era greatly expanded slavery (including sexual slavery), practiced brutal punishments, and endorsed a religious doctrine that labeled all non-believers as targets for eventual conquest and subjugation.
Of course, this ties back into one of the themes of the game, which is that nostalgia for a past time can represent an ideal, not the reality that actually existed. This time period is still the subject of much nostalgia and romanticization in the Muslim world, but many forget its nastier aspects.
But just like I wouldn’t reduce this period of Islamic history to (what we would today perceive as) its negative qualities, it’s also wrong to do that for medieval Catholic Europe.
The High Middle Ages were, for example, the period of Gothic architecture, the birth of the university system, and the spread of organized charity. And these things happened not in spite of the Catholic Church, but in large part because of it. It was the Church’s institutional and financial support that made many of these developments possible.
That brings me to another point, which is that it’s just categorically false to say that the Church “opposed every major scientific advancement”. This is a long-standing piece of hateful anti-Catholic prejudice, and it’s based around extrapolating the Church’s infamous opposition to heliocentric theory onto the entirety of scientific history- which is obviously a fallacy.
We should strive for a wholistic and balanced understanding of the past, which means not glorifying or demonizing particular periods of time, but to view them in all their context and complexity.
“Fantasy Lives On.” Never have I felt more power in those three words alone.
9:08 And even though Will was created from the Prince’s… “will,” the Traveling Boy exists to be the hero of the story his original self couldn’t be.
By the power of hope. The power of fantasy. And the power to believe in the impossible. The protagonist became Will, a Hero to save the Country.
12:26 Hence the meaning in the many sacrifices in the game. As Basilio says: It’s not about who/what is being sacrificed, but what matters is what took to achieve that dream.
14:27 “Anger and hate… are supreme.” Xemnas.
16:08 and this is why I hate Forden.
24:04 I love how mastering Devil Summoner and Soul Hacker (of the Seeker Archetype Will unlocks) allows Eupha to get Royal Summoner near the end of the game. Royal Summoner’s movesets combine the summons of the monsters in this game, with some of the aforementioned demons of SMT and Persona fame.
25:33 While Rella’s death wasn’t as impactful to me as I had hoped, it is what she does in the context of her death that makes this moment powerful IMO.
31:51 It’s cool that you tie this topic in with Will trying to help the people. And the fact that he had no way of defending himself.
32:53 you could say that about the people that denounce this game.
36:59 Fidelio is my favorite non party member/social link character in Atlus too.
With those lines and the likes, I geuine thought metpahor was going to be more meta like. As in atlus was going make there "undertale/deltarune" and the likes. It kinda does in the endgame with More.
In fact come to think of it, hythloadoues does look like a clemar version of asgore and Louis is what I image asriel god form to look like if human. Also I got some asriel vibes from the prince.
@ really, I think the main point of the theme of Fantasy, and why the “Fantasy is X,” is because this game is the world of Fantasy we are trying to protect.
By protecting this “Fantasy,” we ourselves are proving to More that we care about the Fantasy world and the people in it.
@@TheJaredPunchthere also a sense that we should express our own fanasty and the likes, even if might be out there and look silly. It reminds me of the new wave sci fi of the 1960s and 1970s, where it encouraged more out there ideas, writing styles and the likes.
Now, an 11 hour video analyzing each of the followers.
Such a great video, lots to think. Hope this videos recive many views
I hope it does too! Haha. Thanks for watching
wonderful and thought provoking analysis. I appreciate that you are awake and spreading knowledge and understanding
Commenting to boost the algorhytm. The message was inmaculate and the analysis wonderful. I hope this get viral soon enough
Pertinent to this abstraction, this 'Metaphor', the collective evolution of human understanding stands as perhaps the single most disquieting element of our existence, insofar as its exemplification of the transience, confinement, and ever-impending obsolescence of which it is centrally comprised. That which is considered 'Truth' and 'Legacy' fundamentally exists as the accumulation of innumerable, compounding historical constructs, ofttimes so directly mired in decay, corruption, and active erasure that reality itself proves indistinguishable from the narratives constructed by those who would perpetuate the cyclical subjugation of the masses, the artificial conflict and division which pervades all human history. This conceptualization of memories' intrinsic metamorphosis as humanity evolves itself portrays the fragility and transience of our existence, the inevitable, immutable decay of knowledge and will as time incessantly persists. Moreover, the abstraction of which you speak - the corruption and deterioration of reality to the ends of oppression and constraining the pursuit of knowledge, the active erasure of progress which proves an 'Inconvenience' - itself conveys the dogmatic idealization endemic to human perception, the abstraction of identity and occurrence and the nature of existence, thus perpetuating the aforementioned recurrent, self-amplifying cycles from which we ought to have learned.
Personally, I obviously don't subscribe to the veracity of the Jungian 'Collective Unconscious', insofar as its material presence as postulated by Jung himself. However, I consider a manner of externalized, conditioned universal thought - namely the proliferation of social narratives and foundational beliefs informing the construction of human identity, alongside the subsequent nature of our society - a prerequisite to a meritable understanding of humanity, as it serves as an encapsulation of the 'Truth' to which we each adhere. It is my opinion that the contemporary malleability of truth's most disquieting component is its self-amplifying limitation of the scope of human knowledge, thus precluding any manner of systemic confrontation, empathy, and symptomatically progress. Naturally, this perpetuation of deceit - and subsequent internalization of an unequivocally broken conception of human history - proves wholly conducive to the ends of those who desire the status quo's permanence, as human beings become evermore immured within our own exploitation via a manufactured, intergenerational ignorance which strengthens our shackles, facilitated by a media and academic ecosystem which stands in diametric opposition to the reality it purports to capture. Through the subjugation oft-invoked throughout this comment, our intrinsic yearning to 'Believe' manifests as a mechanism of further confinement, inculcating naught but incuriosiry and paranoia in its proponents, corrupting all human thought and expression in its wake.
To this end, one must lament the potential lack of a solution to this existential struggle, that all which dares to live is preordained to decay and oblivion, endlessly degenerating in an infinite cycle of suffering and exploitation perpetuated by and for those who would center humanity's 'Trajectory' as their own to control. And yet, the 'Belief' in 'Transcendence' remains seemingly eternal throughout human endeavors, our striving having been exemplified tenfold by the contemporary advent of education and interconnectivity permitting us cognizance of these cycles, this decay of humanity's existence, engendering the ability to meaningfully unveil and confront a past once shrouded by fog. Perhaps there does indeed exist hope for humanity after all, should we elect to fight against this malignant contagion plaguing the nature of existence through knowledge, solidarity, and the eternal pursuit of understanding the beautiful unknowability of our existence, unconstrained by the systems attempting to reduce our world to nothingness.
Perhaps something of a nonsensical, insufficiently-articulated screed, however I've considered these concepts at length as I strive to implement them as central thematic threads comprising my own work, and as such imagined they may prove pertinent to this particular discourse. Excellent video as always, take care one and all.
This is such a great video!! I was literally on the verges of tears the whole time and loved that you took the postcards! ❤ I feel like that is a great way to remember this video game! It sure is something special, and thank you for the amazing introspection of the game that a lot of people have related to!!!
Will x Gallica for life, but I do see Eupha as the 'canon' love interest, maybe the manga will go that route. Some people see the size difference and say no, but I say they're not creative and point to King's magic. Just give Gallica the ability to change size and we're good, probably OT3 with Will/Gallica/Eupha.
very beautifully executed parallels pointed out between reality and the game, its sad that methapor came at the time it did but its message couldn't reach more people, because i trully believe anyone with an open mind would become kinder to others by simply playing this game
So glad you picked up this game, bro. You never miss with these analysis videos. Metaphor Refantazio is inspiring and honestly Studio Zero really did cook with the idea that Hope can be a reality even though are those who see it as a fantasy.👑
I had no idea you were going to make a Metaphor analysis, but having enjoyed your P4 analysis as much as I did, I'm so happy to see this appear in my recommended. While I love all the persona games, Metaphor is the first Atlus game I played where by the end of it I felt like my understanding of its messages was still barely scratching the surface of all the things the game actually had to say. This game *feels* like it was 7 years in the making, and I knew I needed some heavy analysis from perspectives other than my own if I wanted to really unpack everything here. Also, wishing you the best of luck with the game jam!!
First time seeing anything from this channel, but damn that was a good video essay. Strong work
Thank you!
I AM SOOOOOOOO EXCITED!!!! YOUR P4G PLAYLIST IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES KN UA-cam
Holy hell, this video is so good. 33:02-36:54 is amazing.
Thank you for this video, it is incredible.
Glad you liked it ❤️
Back from the Persona 4 days so just 1 thing to say:
Metaphor: ReFantazio
True!
Legit so excited to see you cover this game and its themes!! I know what im listening to at work
Hope you enjoy! And have a nice day!
Great video, nice to see people talking about the themes of this game. You even taught me a new term, Survivor's Bias.
Metaphors and kotodama feel very much intertwined in how they have power over our reality.
I haven't beaten Metaphor yet, I'm just commenting for the algorithm.
You should be good for the first 8 minutes or so. I appreciate the comment! It does help!
Me too, actually I can’t play the game yet 🥲 maybe a year from now I’ll come back. I really want to play this as blindly as possible, I haven’t had that experience as much.
Metaphor Analysis, don't mind if I do. More than enough to take away from the game to arm ourselves against anxiety in the face of coming uncertainty.
This feels like Homestuck Explained back then
I... This reminds me so, and it feels like it so. Thank you for this. All of this. Thank you for the video.
just adding an extra detail as while the Etrian Odyssey franchise are a flagship for Altus they aren't the most well known, but the the entirety of Drakongrace Shinjuku is a 1 to 1 recreation of several floors of the 5th Stratum "Lost Shinjuku", most important being floors 21 and 25 stratum from the first Etrian Odyssey game but what makes it such a notable choice is that the 5th Stratum is where you hit a major twist as to why the Etria Yggdrasil was never fully mapped: The Radha enforcers killed everyone else who came before your party on the 21st floor, their reason? The Radha believe that if the truth of the Yggdrasil's origin is learnt then there will be no trade in Etria thus slowly killing the town. and the final boss for the Stratum? The Radha head who has become a part of the tree. (Untold implies the presence of mind control but IDK because that kinda dampens the impact) another minor detail is they put the first instance of the cutscened Human (the one that visually resembles a knife with two large legs) right before the place you fought the enforcers. and before anyone says it's a coincidence that they line up: there are 6 games with the 3rd being the most popular and around 6 stratums to a game and Atlus have requested that images of certain dungeons not be shared due to spoilers in the past (Persona Q final dungeon for example) they deliberately chose Lost Shinjuku
Well holy cow I didn't know that! I've never played EO so that's a blind spot for me. Probably worth diving into then
@HidinginPrivate not surprised, the EO games were only on DS/3DS till the HD remaster for Switch so it was less likely people would play them. Plus the the most popular game in the franchise is 3 due to how it differs
@@angelorosso4871I imagine we would have to go into much more depth than UA-cam comments are made for to get to a resolution on this. I will give some assurance though to try and make sure in the future to caveat and word things more specifically. I don't particularly agree with your reply, but I can see where this criticism is coming from and nobody is hurt by going a bit more indepth, so I'll try to do that more in the future.
Yay Etrian acknowledgement comment!
i finished this game last night. i wake up to this. its peak, your honor, lock in. fantasy lives on!
Great video man. Metaphor was easily my favorite game that came out last year. And even now, I'm still surprised the story was as grounded and empathetic as it was. I don't think an atlus game has resonated with me this much since persona 3 FES.
Absolutely brilliant 🙏🙏🙏 be proud pls cuz this is mint
A lot of thoughts been swirling
Found this video randomly on my recommendations and gave it a chance. You have a new subscriber! Very well made video, very though provoking and very well articulated. Never got around to playing Metaphor when it came out last year, but just recently finished the game a few days ago. Definitely game of the year so, and will probably be hard to be beat. Probably my favorite Atlus to game out, honestly. The world and the characters are so well fleshed out, Heismay being a stand out and my favorite. It really did take me by surprise how..relevant the story and theme of the game is to today's current situation. Really hit close to home being in the U.S. with all that is currently happening and my political and moral ideology.
Anyways, just wanna say again, great video 🙂🙂 I look forward to seeing more from your channel!
Great video for a great game. I just wish more people in the US had played it before the election.
HIDING YOU NEVER DISSAPOINT ANOTHER BANGER INDEED THANK YOU
You touched on a concept that I think applies a lot to Junah when it comes to her archetype, the idea of cultural memories persisting. But I think there's a divergence, although showing the symbol associated with fusing a persona I found it interesting she doesnt actually summon a persona that we would recognize unlike with Eupha who just summons smt demons.
I think this may be in refrence to how the process of awakening to an archetype isnt like awakening to a persona, there is no shadown integration it seems. So instead of reflecting the Jungian true self attained through the individuation process, as is seen in persona; she instead utilized what is more commonly associated with a persona, various masks that range in authenticity.
I also found it interesting how there is a talk about her "true self" a concept Rise also pondered (a connection that seems intentional given both their characters similarities). I think the fact that in Junah's case there is a more concrete "true self" in a physical sense could be another indication of the split between how the concepts of a persona are potrayed, how certain pieces of knowledge make it through but not intact. The fact that Junah in particular becomes a magic researcher at the end when she is shown using bits and pieces of old knowledge, doesnt seem like a mere coincidence, especially with the team who made the game (they love little details and refrences). Who knows though, I thought it was neat to read it like that anyway.
Also could Eupha's spear be a comp? That'd be cute
Yes omg! This UA-cam channel and the game metaphor seems like a match in heaven
Hope you enjoy!
That was a wild ride of a video - very fitting, but a wild ride! It was kinda like the game itself, lol. Nicely done.
IM SO HERE FOR THIS VIDEO LETS GOOO
Thank you for sticking with me! Sorry it's been so long since the last ATLUS content!
@@HidinginPrivate Don't apologise, make the videos you wanna. Even if I haven't watched SU, I'll be here for the videos on the ones that I have seen. And others will be there as my inverse.
19:29 Marcion's canon had no bearing over the end result of the new testament canon, we have the muraturion fragments and the Diatessarion from the same time frame that was already in circulation of the churches in both Asia minor and northen egypt. The first actual canon of the new testament proposed in synodal law was in Carthage 382.
This absolute statement seems contrary to the people actively studying this stuff. Here's a few scholars who have been arguing for what I was saying, and I feel they are the most up to date and historically accurate:
Dr.Markus Vinzent
Dr.Jack Bull
Dr.Mark G. Gilby
Dr.M David Litwa
And many many more. People argue to tie the Q source to Marcion and that Marcion' kept the Pauline movement prominent in a way that forced acknowledgement from the people who ended up becoming the state church.
Hell yeah, you're back
Thank you for this brilliant analysis!
Thanks for the support!
To be honest, i'm new here, subscribed purely after that Persona 4 analysis, but glad you got some new stuff going. Btw, your pronunciation of Japanese is sooo pleasant
This game will be one of my favorite games of all time. But there was something that bothered me as I got to the end. I finished this game on the night of the election. I loved that Louis stayed the villain the entire way through and the boss fight against him had me mix reality and fantasy in the sense that fighting against someone like him will take everything you have and more. I lost to him a couple of times, and each time I had to use most if not all my items that I found or created. I didn’t know some of the strategies people found to make the fight easier (I started since the demo and release), but beating him felt so satisfying in the way that it feels good to reach a stable point in your life. You feel like things can progress now, that real change can happen now. And then the ending came, and the world that Will and his friends ruled over has now slowly become a better place in just over a year. I went to sleep, believing in fantasy but woke up to reality and saw who won the election. If someone could explain to me, what was the real answer Will and his companions would bring when facing the harsh reality of their world. And can you compare them to the “answers” we bring to our own? Are the answers we have just “we have to be tolerant, hopeful, and mindful of others”? Are they not just fighting for stability and hoping that things can get to a point where someone can finally say “we can do THIS to make the world better”? Is a better world simply just keeping things stable without any progress to new and better things? I don’t agree with many of the so called “answers” the current president has due to how extreme and naive they are, but why do the “good guys” have to play on such a moral high ground? Are we not allowed to get to their level and bring our answers to such extremities? It’s always just “hope for the best in people”, and yet the people have chosen what’s worst for us multiple times now. Maybe I misunderstood Metaphor and the world right now. I just hate that I will always hope for the best in everything I believe in but will expect the worst.
Ah, basically, you're impatient and can't deal with frustration.
What you're doing is basically jackboot envy. You know, what Louis suggests. Sometimes you have to get things through by force, but to be honest, what you're suggesting is to make the violence the core of the ideology based on a very naive and self-excusing idea of what happened last election, because everything suggests it was more due to failures of the status quo and anger at incumbency than anyone liking the current president in great numbers.
Basically, buck up and grow up - growth is hard and inconstant, sometimes fruitless, news at 11.
can't wait to watch this ong
Hope you enjoy
@ peak video (though i hope you'll make a video even if short talking about forden / louis alone, you talking about the whole church thing and survivorship bias has me curious)
16:59 Did you accidentally forgot to cut something here? You repeated your point twice about the catholic church reclaiming that someone bringing forth a discovery that was condemned by the church was christian all along, with slightly changed wording
The first time I'm referring to Catholics, the second time I'm referring to Protestants. I should have indicated that with my tone more.
@HidinginPrivate Ah, no worries. I wasn't born in a christian/catholic/protestant-majority country so I'm not quite aware of the differences between the three. Great analysis, and I like the part about wanting to help others and believe in humanity even despite the fact that they are "stupid" or even bigoted, because everyone's part of the system all the same.
Phenomenal video!
Thank you!
Finally a new upload
Indeed
HE'S BACK
Finally!
This video changing my life dawg
10/10 youtube video
Saving 34:00
The music is perfectly incorporated with the visuals, writing is peak, pacing is amazing, and I feel radicalized to the agenda of empathy
Okay but unironically, this is incredible and reinforces what I've been believing for a long time, thank you.
Can't wait to finish this video when I beat the game
Oh hell yeah this bouta be good
IT ISSSS TIMEEE PEOPLE OUR SEEKER HAS ARRIVED ❤I WAS SOO FUCKIN HYPE FOR THIS VIDEO AND IT DID NOT DISSAPOINT MMMMMMMM
Would love to have all the subtitles or the script to make a french translation of the video
What is the song at 23:00?
Title Theme\credits theme for SMT4
59:03 he may have been bad king but he try to be a great father
He wasn't malicious for sure
Not since playing the persona game for the first time and the knight of the old repulbic duology where an rpg has amazed me. Seriously it deserves those awards it got
Also it message it something we need given recent stuff happening.
hoping. i can watch this vid when i play and finish the game!
Hope you enjoy both!
Would have finished the game sooner if I knew you were going to make a video on it
That's why you gotta follow my BSKY for all the latest updates!
Great video
Thank you
*Looks at Metaphor sitting in my steam backlog to play when I finish Hollow Knight* sigh I guess its time
hes alive
Hi Duolingo, glad for your support. I'll go back to practicing my Greek soon
@@HidinginPrivate Do your greek or get the beak
I can't wait to play this game. I'm almost done with p5r.
P5R true ending is also very good!
Epic
The cut-ins of the us election stuff 😅
Walks like a duck talks like a duck
@HidinginPrivate i am always impressed by Donald Duck's voice actors 🦆
commenting before I get too far in, but it's already such an incredible piece of work! the diligent effort you put into your scripts really pays off!
too tired to write something interesting, commenting for the algorithm anyway
Well ai appreciate it
Love your work as a whole and eould adore to see more stuff on metaphor from you! I would love in depth character/worldbuilding analysis
Thank you! I try to say something meaningful when I can
eupha will truthers !!!!!!!!!!!
They're so cute
OK I genuinely dislike how much people attack Christianity pointing at all its flaws without seeing the good it does even day to day I'm agnostic and even i can see the good moral principles it teaches the charity done by believers the fact that it was the teachings of Christianity that led to the ending of the global slave trade. There's religions out there that are so so much worse religions that promote child marriage ones that essentially argue that existence itself is evil. I don't know i guess i'm just tired of people attacking something that has a pretty net positive effect on the world when they're genuinely evil religions out there. I also find the angels and god are evil and demons and the devil troupe annoying and overdone.
Stating historical facts and patterns of powerful institutions isn't attacking Christianity itself. I give credence, as does the game, to genuine believers and people who do good even inside negative structures, so this comment also partially reads like you didn't watch the video. Based on the comment I also think you just have swallowed a lot of propaganda because Christianity did NOT end the slave trade. Look at what critical scholars or those not signing faith statements have to say about literally any period of time where Christianity was in power. Like if you're being honest, I don't think you can create more of a directly false statement than 'Christianity ended the slave trade'. That's a joke statement only made by apologists.
@@HidinginPrivate the main abolitionists were Christians making arguments from the bibles teachings its not exactly hard to see how the moral principles from the bible led to the ending of slavery just because the catholic church sucks doesn't mean the entire religion is evil. unlike Islam which actively promotes slavery rape and murder. Also critical scholars men who live their lives in societies built by the moral principles of Christianity who actively argue against everything to do with religion and seem to want to divorce every moral development in history away from the religious beliefs of the men who created them aren't exactly the most unbiased people. I'm agnostic not anti-theistic like the critical scholars who seem to want to deny that religon is a biologically engrained in humans and even they are not immune to it.
@@HidinginPrivate oh so you're saying that a religion that taught about how the ancestry of its followers or their teachers used to be slaves and that the abusive treatment led them to flee into the desert didn't have anything to do with the fact that slavery practically didn't exist in europe by the time of the discovery of the new world cause you know that totally definitely didn't have anything to do with history the lion of whitehall definitely wasn't making arguments from Christian principles for the abolishment of slavery
@ critical scholars are the most disingenuous people for their anti religious beliefs they deny all good aspects of it while living in societies built by the principles and moral practices of those religious while also denying a base fact religion is a biological fact of humanity that they themselves have fallen into all while denying that their belief system itself is in fundamental practice a religion. South park is 100% right that atheism is just another religion.
@@nothappening5510what I'm saying is it is very clear that your information sources are coming from a very small variety of places and that if you are agnostic it shouldn't burden you to look into what actual scholars and people who dedicate their lives learning and teaching this stuff at an academic level are saying. Even most Seminary Graduates would disagree with your initial statement about the slave trade.
Well... That was a poignant argument and line is logic. I am going to have to listen to this again soon because of the shear density of it.
As a former Catholic and leftist living in a deep Red area, i also think I'm going to have to give Metaphor a playthrough. Finally play a more recent Atlus game than Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together
This reminds me a lot of Jordan Peterson and his early lectures from his book Maps of Meaning
Before JP lost his ghourd
Bruh I was not expecting HBO Max to take down Steven Universe this soon lol, I was cynical enough to presume they'd do it at some point but they still surprised me.
They must be financially on-fire behind the scenes 🔥
My wife is Hulkenberg, I love goofy women. I also really love Catherina, I hated how long it took to start progressing her social link again.