Maybe I am wrong, but why install proxmox?? in tihs case just a ubuntu server for exemple and docker and etc, or...if you are using proxmox install a vm and docker inside for security reason or a container and docker( witch not make sense), but just install promox and docker inside, no make sense for me.
Hi Jacob, you will need to do your normal Docker on Debian hardening. This is similar to a Debian/ Ubuntu host that has both KVM virtual machines and Docker containers. Proxmox has some tools for this and there are a lot of different options since at its core this is a Debian Linux base OS.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Hi there, many people are commenting that is a security risk (to install Docker alongside Proxmox), but from y point of view, (being Proxmox a debian based ditro) it is as secure or insecure as a typical Docker instal in a Debian distro, or do I missing something? Maybe people are commenting this because hackers could access VM's from the hacked host, but they seems not worried at all about hacking their standard Docker host? again, do I missing something? Another question: Im not very comfortable using an old Debian 6 distro (Proxmox 5.x), and I prefer to use Ubuntu 18_04 as a host ditro. How can you see this? Any drawbacks? Could I just install Proxmox and Docker/Portainer over a Ubuntu 18_04? I such a case, do you know any guide to "replicate" a similar partition suited for Proxmox (as the CD installation does?) Thanks in advance
I have a i5 quad core with 8GB RAM (can easily bump it up to 16 GB). I need to run OpenMediaVault, NextCloud and maybe PiHole and Duplicati . Plus adding Let's Encrypt. One method would be to install OMV, with Portainer and add NextCloud and the rest via Docker. The other would be to use XCP-NG and add each of them in separate VM's. Why one over the other? This server will have a very light load. The storage will be two drives in a mirror configuration. System drive will be an SSD. The idea is to start with this computer. But as soon as possible move to a better server. How easy will it be to migrate each of the two scenarios?
Then you eventually decide on one? The latter is easier to backup as you would just backup each VM. The former is better because OMV is will documented with lots of support like vids for Techno life dad. I also have the same setup and I am currently running a OMV VM on proxmox. Within OMV I am running a docker image of nextcloud (with Let's Encrypt). However like you I am thinking a separate VM/container for Docker might be better than running on OMV.
This was a really good walk through, When I got everything running there was 1 container already created "Agitated_Habit" what is this and do I need it?
Jason, Docker's default is that it assigns a random name to containers. Usually, you finish this guide with a container running Portainer so if it looks like the Portainer container you should be OK.
The vast majority is Proxmox at this point. We still have several ESXi nodes in the lab and a handful of Hyper-V nodes. Hyper-V is also our go-to virtualization solutions on workstations. Having a Debian Linux based system is simply an awesome feature since it allows you to access a huge ecosystem of software very easily.
gotcha, thanks! I have been following your guide to setup proxmox and its working well so far. Out of curiosity do you have any guides/videos on how to backup the proxmox host its self? Windows server 2016 had an option to do a bare metal backup and was wondering if proxmox had something like that. I have seen a lot of guides on backing up the vm's but not the host os its self. Thanks!
I think on the VM side there are many easy options via NFS or ZFS. On the host itself, you are right, there are fewer obvious answers. Luckily, it is not hard to search for how to do Linux host backups. Proxmox is Debian so that is a fairly well-known quantity
I don't understand, what does docker and proxmox in this example have in common?
Maybe I am wrong, but why install proxmox?? in tihs case just a ubuntu server for exemple and docker and etc, or...if you are using proxmox install a vm and docker inside for security reason or a container and docker( witch not make sense), but just install promox and docker inside, no make sense for me.
how secure would the Dockers be while running on the host? Would we need to secure the proxmox install after putting docker on it?
Hi Jacob, you will need to do your normal Docker on Debian hardening. This is similar to a Debian/ Ubuntu host that has both KVM virtual machines and Docker containers. Proxmox has some tools for this and there are a lot of different options since at its core this is a Debian Linux base OS.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Hi there, many people are commenting that is a security risk (to install Docker alongside Proxmox), but from y point of view, (being Proxmox a debian based ditro) it is as secure or insecure as a typical Docker instal in a Debian distro, or do I missing something? Maybe people are commenting this because hackers could access VM's from the hacked host, but they seems not worried at all about hacking their standard Docker host? again, do I missing something?
Another question: Im not very comfortable using an old Debian 6 distro (Proxmox 5.x), and I prefer to use Ubuntu 18_04 as a host ditro. How can you see this? Any drawbacks? Could I just install Proxmox and Docker/Portainer over a Ubuntu 18_04? I such a case, do you know any guide to "replicate" a similar partition suited for Proxmox (as the CD installation does?)
Thanks in advance
Portainer or rancher?
I have a i5 quad core with 8GB RAM (can easily bump it up to 16 GB). I need to run OpenMediaVault, NextCloud and maybe PiHole and Duplicati . Plus adding Let's Encrypt.
One method would be to install OMV, with Portainer and add NextCloud and the rest via Docker.
The other would be to use XCP-NG and add each of them in separate VM's.
Why one over the other? This server will have a very light load. The storage will be two drives in a mirror configuration. System drive will be an SSD.
The idea is to start with this computer. But as soon as possible move to a better server. How easy will it be to migrate each of the two scenarios?
Then you eventually decide on one? The latter is easier to backup as you would just backup each VM. The former is better because OMV is will documented with lots of support like vids for Techno life dad. I also have the same setup and I am currently running a OMV VM on proxmox. Within OMV I am running a docker image of nextcloud (with Let's Encrypt). However like you I am thinking a separate VM/container for Docker might be better than running on OMV.
i like your ideas guys and the other videos ! keep it up
Hey which iKVM are you using? I've been wanting to get one to automate server installs etc for my homelab. Thanks :)
That particular one is the Supermicro default iKVM that ships on their server platforms.
What would you recommend for other systems like ASRock Rack? The Java iKVM for their IPMI borks due to having some weakly signed signature. :'(
This was a really good walk through, When I got everything running there was 1 container already created "Agitated_Habit" what is this and do I need it?
Jason, Docker's default is that it assigns a random name to containers. Usually, you finish this guide with a container running Portainer so if it looks like the Portainer container you should be OK.
why not just use the enterprise repos ??
You need to pay for subscription to use this repo. Without paying it will not work at all.
Do you still use hyper V at all or have you switched over completely to proxmox?
The vast majority is Proxmox at this point. We still have several ESXi nodes in the lab and a handful of Hyper-V nodes. Hyper-V is also our go-to virtualization solutions on workstations. Having a Debian Linux based system is simply an awesome feature since it allows you to access a huge ecosystem of software very easily.
gotcha, thanks! I have been following your guide to setup proxmox and its working well so far. Out of curiosity do you have any guides/videos on how to backup the proxmox host its self? Windows server 2016 had an option to do a bare metal backup and was wondering if proxmox had something like that. I have seen a lot of guides on backing up the vm's but not the host os its self.
Thanks!
I think on the VM side there are many easy options via NFS or ZFS. On the host itself, you are right, there are fewer obvious answers. Luckily, it is not hard to search for how to do Linux host backups. Proxmox is Debian so that is a fairly well-known quantity
ahh I did not even think if just looking for a Debian backup guide. Thanks!!
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why are you? :D its VERY usefulfor those who find it useful
Literally unreadable cli, lol