As a white belt watching this live I was so mad at Ryron. Now rewatching this many years later as a brown belt I have such an appreciation for what he was able to do here.
Why you mad bruh? He got owned. Pulling guard doesn’t win matches. It never will. He’s lucky his brother owned the event and chose the rule set. Oh, and his brother never paid the athletes. True class. At least he didn’t get subbed like against Barnett then give a speech about how his grandfather blah blah blah…
@@oldironsides4107its a sport fight. I think you master many martial arts and "street fight expierence".... in your dreams. Any whit belt can put you in a deep sleep, and thats is a sad fact 😂😂😂
Did he though? Get dominated in a way that would allow strikes through constantly? Not really the 'Gracie BJJ is practical self defense' mantra at work....
@@jiujitsuphd Im sure Ryron wouldnt take these positions if it was different rule set but being he could he did . This is a sport setting not a street fight
@@BruceWayne-uk5tmno because the guy that has been trained in surviving and thriving in long fights by some of the best fighters in that field would never be able to eventually outsmart and overpower a bigger opponent who is trained in shorter point based fights
@@rockade2408 watch the final few minutes. It was sub only. One guy was attacking and one was stalling for the clock to end. I thought both guys did well. It was a good match. I wasnt that surprised that Ryron got better as the match went on longer. Andre never got a sub attempt. When Andre had the north south/side positions early on I was surprised he didn't try to muscle a kimura or fall back for the armbar just to try.
@@rockade2408 You're crap, and not even able to see a master even if he slaps you in the face. Ryron was playing a top player, and absolutely, thoroughly, cancelled his game. And you whine moan and bitch. lolol
This is probably my favorite jiujitsu match to watch, the unstoppable force vs the immovable object. Guys, its not stalling. Its control! Amazing performance by both masters.
I was actually impressed by Ryron's performance. I didn't expect him to do as well as he did against a world class competitor. Towards the end of the match his endurance seemed slightly better, and he actually went for a few submission attempts of his own. Sure, he did play defensive at times, but Galvao is no joke. Sometimes you have no choice and it's in your best interest to manage your energy better than your opponent. I agree that the commentary was bias, but what do you expect? It's his brother! I'd cheer for my brother too. If it were a points match, Galvao would have undoubtably won, but that's not what he signed up for. It was a good match. I've learned so much about BJJ from watching Galvao's matches and Ryrons videos, both of which are great ambassadors for the sport.
Correct, it's trendy to hate the Gracie's these days apparently, despite the fact that guys like Galvao namely wouldn't be doing what they are doing without them
@@jeegupopli1871 lol, arcmchair warrior. You go and practice this philosophy against any black belt. Then you might start to appreciate defense. Martial arts is mostly bs. This is a sport. And it has rules. The rules were observed, and these two guys were masterful. Something you can't even dream of.
10 year's of wrestling and I don't see the objectives for a lot of the moves. But I definitely get the struggle of grappling for control. Not sure how you spell Gee? The clothing grabs?
I'm a judoka/wrestler with not a lot of jiujitsu experience and honestly not a huge fan of it in general. But for a crowd like that come to watch a bout like this were they knew beforehand there would be a good chance the whole thing could end in a draw with no drama or fireworks but still came to appreciate the subtleties and skillful nuances of a match between two highly competent athletes in a very niche sport is a real pleasure to see.
6:33 - trap and roll, Slice 1, Lesson 1 from the Gracie school and Gracie combatives. The most basic white belt technique, successfully executed on one of the greatest BJJ practitioners ever. You dont need fancy techniques and worm guard, or berimbolos, and spinning, inverted triangles. The basics practiced to the PhD level are enough. Look no further than this match, or 95% of Roger Gracie's matches.
I know this is an old comment but thought I’d respond. The idea that “Basic” BJJ has been passed by today’s sport-oriented grappling trends is just false. Good Jiu-Jitsu is Jiu-Jitsu that *works*. I love watching the technical stuff from guys like Gordon Ryan. Nothing it respect. But there’s something about watching guys like Roger Gracie dominating with the techniques a beginner learns in their first year. It’s just so damn cool.
@@jrock2019 That's like saying, "if it was mma rules, Connon McGregor would've leg kicked Mayweather, taken him down and pounded or submitted him." Yea, no shit if the rules were different they wouldve used different strategies. If would've been a real mma fight, Ryron wouldn't have left himself open to be pounded and/or tried to get out of those positions sooner or chose different positions. Reference: He trains UFC level MMA fighters.
Man... I can’t tell you what a pleasure it was to watch this all the way around! 2 excellent practitioners! The commentary was excellent! Just enough and not too much! The camera work was excellent! The sound was excellent!
Galvao is not only a jujitsu genius and innovator he's a top their competitor physically gifted and at the top of his game and constantly training ryron is basically an instructor. This was an exhibition match to show that gjj is still as effective as ever. And its true if he can stand 20 min against galvao and tire him out to the point of exhaustion then I'm sold! If that match would have gone 10 min more galvao would have been done! He was tired after 15 min! This was brilliant strategy by ryron it worked
Ryron's goal was to survive. Galvao knew that he had a 20min match and went for the submission. If Galvao had a 30 min match he would have adjusted his approach for a 30 min match.
If it was a points match, Galvao would have won. If it was a street fight, Galvao would have won. And who's idea was it to have Rener commentate on a match that involved his brother?
+Ronnie I agree Ronnie. He knows how to conserve his energy till needed. He stayed unscathed until the last 5 minutes. Then he pushed. Smart. Conserve until you need to use energy. The other guy would tire out for sure. He was already in 20
I love this match, it shows that solid fundamentals and a defensive mindset will totally shut down a world champion, now there was no submission but it just goes to show how fundamentals are important and that advance techniques are just an accessory. Bravo!
@Muskeln-kaufen.de He proved something here that the fundamentals are powerful enough to counter a world champion from submitting you. If you're not confident enough against someone you can always fall back on fundamentals and a good defense to stall for time and not see if you can't find another angle.
@Muskeln-kaufen.de Metamoris is a submission-only event. When you take out points, you remove the bullshit point-seeking tactics and can survive against the best with the absolute fundamentals.
Can you imagine Rickson, unsubmitable...but then again submits everybody. Been watching interviews about Rickson...what the hell is that then....some god level sh*t...what an inspiration the essence of jiu jitsu is....
@@pjbuma13 He's not really in trouble. Andre never came close. Ryron has practiced being on his back so much he knows pretty much every option Andre has and how to counter it.
@@pjbuma13 He wasn't in trouble. Ryron has mentioned that he worked with Kron to match Galvao's intensity from that position, so much that he was comfortable being there. Remember it's a sub-only match, he doesn't have to worry about points.
"Galvao dominated most of this match" ... yeah well the Golden State Warriors Dominated 99.9% of the NBA season last year....... but they didn't win. Some people don't get that.
Old school Jiu jitsu is a lot about not being defeated, we are pretty sure Rorion would stay couple hours in there without being submitted, But I m not sure about Galvão
i am constantly amazed at the amount of control and technique of both men in this match. i've recorded this and watched it over and over and every time i come away learning something new
Who won this match depends on your fundamental philosophy of BJJ. The Gracie world will say Ryron never had his guard passed, escaped, and wasn’t tapped and won defensively, the sport world will say Andre got more points, more dominant positions, and had better attacks.
Granted the goal is submission, but it is still extremely educational to watch the survival strategy of Gracie jiu jitsu. Ryron carried zero tension in his face, so friggin relaxed. Would be interesting to see a no gi rematch. Bjj for life!!!!!
The Helio Filter comprises of techniques and positions that conserve energy. This includes: bottom side control, getting mounted, giving up your back, getting neck cranked, and being on the recieving end of a vapourizer. Hope this clears things up. Thanks. - Helio Filter
Ryron pulled side control early on to wear Andre out. The important thing about this technique is to get your legs out of the way of the passer so as to not tire yourself. lol
You only submit if the opportunity is there. Sport BJJ wants you to pursue the submission no matter what. Helio always taught people to make their opponent burn out first, which is what Ryron did. Andre burned up his energy, just as Ryron predicted he would.
Why are all these people arguing back and forth? Instead of worrying about who said what to who (I mean seriously some of you are acting like you share an apartment with Gracie or Galvao when odds are you wouldn't know them from Adam's house cat if not for their Facebook page...) Let's look at this for what it was: An unstoppable force meeting an immovable object and making a great high-level Jiu-Jitsu match. REGARDLESS of who's won what in past competition; this was a great fight. Accept it as such and forget the politics and the bickering.
Well said. We get to watch a case study in strong offense vs strong defense, for free, on demand. Poison immediately flows from keyboards for nothing more than sheer lack of gratitude and base level understanding.
This is my favorite BJJ match of all times. Galvao is one of the best submission artist ever and he couldn't submit Ryron and had 20 minutes to do it. Every white/blue belt should study this match to learn about patience and defensive concepts.
@@kennethcurtis1856 Yes but on the street if someone passes your guard or get knee on belly , its gonna be raining ground and pound. Thats why points for position really matter
I think ryron does really well considering he was probably expected to loose. Galvao should have been able to sub him considering he competes and trains at the highest level and ryron trains with his students and doesn't even really compete.
Not true. Ryon had the best teacher in Rorion Gracie. Even Rickson says the best teacher is Rorion. The son of Rorion should have done better than survive for 20 minutes while in an inferior position. Galvao couldn't finish because his opponent was fighting in a way that is not possible in true life. In reality, time is not on your side. Hence matches force action and action leads to winning or losing. By having no points you kill motivation, not increase it. By having long time, you kill aggression not increase it. In REAL LIFE nobody has time to just chill underneath side control. Gracie Academy logic fails from this fallacy.
I don't see much stalling. I see jiu jitsu happening. in my tournament they tried to call me for stalling on bottom but I laughed because I had him in an arm triangle choke while they were calling me for stalling.
I think many people are looking at the small picture. Galvao has well over 500 fights to his credit, but Ryron has very few. I think Galvao summed it up the best when he said this was not "his type of fighting" . Ryron really was using the traditional gracie method, of just waiting, survive and wait until your opponent gets tired then submit. Many people for get that Royce gracie did the same thing in UFC, and was considered a great champion. I understand Ryron position, becuase as a 40+ jujitsu roller, you want to win, but doing it over the long hall. I want to be 85 and teaching, and people able to withstand a fighter like Galvao, and not get submitted (Galvao having way more experience than Ryron) is a HUGE victory...
I'm not going to go with the stupid "Galvao was so much bigger" they were both equal, but Ryron won for me, perfect defense and last 5 minutes attacking
Rickson Gracie: I respect Eddie bravo and his contributions to bjj but I don't like competition jiujitsu and winning fights through game plans rather then skill
@White Boy You're supposed to let people power out of your guard if you can't control them. Conserve your energy and transition to grounded kicks while you search for a way to stand up or sweep them.
I did Brazilian jiu jitsu for about 21 years. I was never ceased to be amazed at the skill required to get to this level (i didn't). People who have never done jiu jitsu....grappling for just 2-3 minutes tires most people out. Professionals like this go 20-25 minutes with no problem. The breathing....the planned moves.....knowing countless submissions....all add up to an exciting match to watch. If you really want to learn how to defend yourself in a real fight...find a jiu jitsu dojo.
Ryron has that "offensive" face he puts on when he started to get more aggressive. That's when you know shit is bout to be nuts. Honestly wish this fight had no time limit that would be sick
I watched this live with my BJJ family and here in 2019 I still get goosebumps when I watch it. Both of these guys are masters in the art and it`s cool to see how each uses their particular game against the other.
This is one of the biggest upsets in BJJ history. For a guy like Ryron to not get submitted by one of the greatest of all time, after spending half of a match trapped in side control, is just incredible.
My fav BJJ match in years. Anyone who knows Galvao knows he is VERY competitive and has a LARGE ego, and his post match interview showed that. Personally, I think he was frustrated for not being able to pass Ryron's guard, nor submit. If you Ryron had been more aggressive it would have exposed more. Most don't realize that Galvao is one of the best BJJ players to walk the Earth and Ryron's technical defensive BJJ allowed him to not to get submitted. Galvao is a monster. I think Andre thought it would be over in a few minutes. Notice that Ryron's skill allowed him to escape Galvao's mount with the basic white belt upa escape. I have trained with dozens of people over 25 years and one of the most impressive non-world class black belts I ever trained with was Ryron.
What are you talking about, he passed Ryron’s guard at will. Gracie’s are always going on about “Gracie Jiu Jitsu” being for self defense but just sitting there in bottom position for 20 minutes is about the worst thing you could do in a fight. Imagine if there were strikes, Ryron would have gotten mauled from these positions
I’m so impressed with Ryron. Andre is a beast who can make some of his opponents look like Purple Belts. His top game is scary. In Arte Suave, Andre shows his incredible strength and athleticism. Freaky. What a great match. As much as I love the gi, I’d really like to see them roll no-gi.
Ryon was confident, calm and composed. He was wearing Andre out effectively. With all do respect to Andre's prowess, Ryhon was controlling most of the fight through his patience and conservation of energy. An aspect of the Gracie philosophy is to allow your opponent to choose how he will lose. Andre' was beginning to tire and Ryon was beginning to take advantage of that weakness.
Fele Trejo They might have, but guess what. In a real fight do you rather be destroyed or win even if that means that is going to take ''too long''. Matter of fact you are being a bitch for bitching about how Jiu Jitsu is, and if you think they are little bitches why don´t you challenge them, let´s see you talk shit about them after being fucked up
With all do respect, that was not my point. His tactics are different, that's all. They are not as aggressive as some of the more "point driven" tactics that are encouraged in other competitions. It is like chess. There is blitz chess and then there is a game of patient out maneuvering. Both can end in a stalemate.
Strategically, this match was interesting: From my perspective, it seemed like Ryron spent the first 75% of the match trying to tire Andre out, and then got more aggressive at the end of the match, presumably because he had succeeded (it seemed to me that Andre DID seem tired out, based on his posture, and the fact that he suddenly became more defensive at the end, whereas at the beginning he was more aggressive, and possibly burned himself out in the process). It would be interesting to speculate what would have happened if Andre hadn't been more aggressive in the beginning, but just been more relaxed, and not played into Ryron's strategy (would Ryron's strategy remained the same or would he have shifted gears and become more aggressive?) or how things may have played out if Ryron had shifted from defense to offense sooner.
At 5 minutes in, when Ryron effortlessly pulls off that trap and roll (literally the first technique Gracie Jiu-jitsu teaches) it's so beautiful. If it works on 6 time ADCC champion (the most in history) Andre Galvao, it will work on some guy on the street.
@@carolzucarino9266 o que adianta driblar e não fazer Gol, se fosse sem tempo, Galvão ia ser finalizado, isso sempre foi a estratégia Gracie, anular o adversário e finalizar depois.
Defend > Escape > Control > Submit Ryron made it through 3 of the stages, given a few more minutes - I'm sure he would of made it to stage 4. This is a prime example of why the fundamentals/self defense is more important than the fancy/sport stuff. The fundamentals won here (how many sport people can say they trap & rolled a competitor with over 500 matches?), and they'd definitely win if there were any strikes involved. 👊🏼👍🏼🤙🏼
What an amazing match. You can make the argument that Andre is the better grappler under the sport bjj ruleset. It depends on how you define those parameters: You're on top more; more aggressive; pushing to finish; playing more offense and controlling and dictating the match; riding time. Those kinds of things, to me, set the table. Ryron was mostly playing to survive. Not trying to win but trying not to lose, either. It's an interesting tactic. In sports, you're taught to take chances and try to win, as opposed to try not to lose. That's how you separate the good from the greats. The greats take chances and come up on the winning side more often than not. If you don't play to win, you're playing to lose and you probably will. That's sports. This is sports, too. Sport BJJ. In this case, since the ruleset dictates only sub can win, no points, the path to victory is "easier". You can draw, which is not a loss, or you can win by sub and thus the other competitor will take the L. Ryron's strategy of survival was perfect for this ruleset. All he had to do is hang on and he won't lose because a draw is not a loss. It's not a win, either. But it's not a loss. Even though Ryron's game leans more towards self-defense than sport, this is not a street fight. It's not MMA. It's not even grapple boxing. Both of these guys pulled guard. Personally, last place I want to be in a fight is on bottom. Hell, last place I want to be is in a fight, period. If you were to add strikes in some form or fashion, this would have been a very different matchup. It changes the game significantly, probably more so for Andre who I'd gather doesn't grapple spar as often as Ryron or Rener. When Roger Gracie started his MMA career, he said himself that only about 25% of his BJJ game carried over. 25%. And his BJJ game is fairly traditional. What does that say about most other top BJJ athletes who employ all this fancy and exotic shit and carrying over their game to MMA? I can't compare these kinds of matchups to NHB/Vale Tudo between two trained athletes. It's apples and oranges. It's different rulesets. Anyway, this was a fantastic contest. Lot of little things to pick up and learn from these two.
hey there, I humbly disagree. Most of the time, the opponent who is always on the offensive feels even more defeated if all their own attacks are thwarted. Can be very, very demoralising when all your efforts prove fruitless. And if you defeat your opponents mentally using your defensive abilities that too can be seen as a win and a form of "attack". You've just won a small victory in the overall match. Offence is only one of many facets of BJJ. The other facets are Control, Escape, and Defence. But respect to the legendary Marcelo as well.
JSL thank you for that great angle. I’m just a novice, so you definitely helped me see a better view of what Marcelo meant, and of the overall aspects of the sport. Much appreciated.
Ryron pulling of a sweet trap and roll mount escape shows mastery of the "fundamentals". So many people don't understand how amazing that is to be able to defend on that high of a level. Respect to both fighters.
@Josh Hale it's only "basic" technique because it's taught in fundamentals classes, but it doesn't mean you stop getting better at it. The better you get and the better the people around you get, the better your "basics" better be. To pull that off at that level I would not call it "basic" anymore, but mastery.
In my humble opinion Ryron did a better job neutralizing from a disadvantaged position than Andre did attacking from an advantaged position. Ryron submission attempts and escapes were better though Andre had really good passes and seemed to be more explosive and athletic.
petersouth1000 Ryron was there to prove a point which wasn't about beating Andre. You could agree or disagree with that line of thinking in regards to a competition setting. However, to say he doesn't have a guard isn't even remotely close to true.
That was AMAZING! from both. The constant attacks and the picture perfect calm methodical defense. Some of the grip breaks were pretty awesome too, using the knee to push the hand away. Whew!
This is a perfect example of why there should be no time limit. If this were to continue for another hour, Ryron would probably end up winning by submission in my opinion. He just seemed much more calm and composed. Preserving his energy would win him a submission if the endurance aspect was dragged on.
Galvao was given 15 minutes to attack, and he had nothing to show for it. Ryron attacked for 5 and came a lot closer to getting the submission. Cooking your opponent is a valid strategy. It didn't work vs such an athletic opponent, but if there were no time limits this fight would have probably gone to Ryron. Galvao was using way too much power to last for much longer.
As a white belt watching this live I was so mad at Ryron. Now rewatching this many years later as a brown belt I have such an appreciation for what he was able to do here.
Why the frustration back then? Was it the classic i shouldnt be at the bottom mentality?
I love that Ryron is smiling during this match.
Mad? Dang
Why you mad bruh? He got owned. Pulling guard doesn’t win matches. It never will. He’s lucky his brother owned the event and chose the rule set. Oh, and his brother never paid the athletes. True class. At least he didn’t get subbed like against Barnett then give a speech about how his grandfather blah blah blah…
@@michaelstrong4823 Gosh, to be so wrong and yet so convinced of one's smartness.
Happy I brought popcorn.
It's amazing how removing points completely changes the strategy and highlights where fundamental jiujitsu is so important. Great match.
D Fin that is why I like watching Ryron and Kron Gracie fight. They show the true original style of pure BJJ.
Willi Schwartz too bad in a real fight you have hammer fists raining down on you
@@migueltigrelazo In a real fight you might be stabbed or shot so your comment is pointless. This is sports match not a street man.
Jan Kowalski most people don’t have guns and knives when they fight so what’s ur point?
@@migueltigrelazo Most people don't fight what's YOUR point.
As a jiu jitsu practitioner I find myself watching this match over again to just study the movement and timing behind Ryron's game. It's amazing
If you’re studying this you must have lost every match you competed in.
If you used this for self defense
You’ve probably been beaten to death by now
@@oldironsides4107its a sport fight. I think you master many martial arts and "street fight expierence".... in your dreams. Any whit belt can put you in a deep sleep, and thats is a sad fact 😂😂😂
you get like 3 belt promotions and 4 stripes from watching this video
No.
Ryron just epitomized the totality of his grandfather's philosophy. brilliant.
Did he though? Get dominated in a way that would allow strikes through constantly? Not really the 'Gracie BJJ is practical self defense' mantra at work....
@@jiujitsuphd Im sure Ryron wouldnt take these positions if it was different rule set but being he could he did . This is a sport setting not a street fight
@Mirko S. Ryron and Rener are Brian Ortega's coaches. Their philosophy lives on.
Ryron showing us the essence of Gracie Jiu Jitsu, surviving against a much stronger opponent. I wonder what would have happened with no time limit.
Not what happened in the last 5 min of the vid@@saltymember1062
He wouldve been subbed lol
He would have subbed Galvao. lol
@mjolnir9855 In all the different outcomes from different universes not one has ryron submitting galvao
@@BruceWayne-uk5tmno because the guy that has been trained in surviving and thriving in long fights by some of the best fighters in that field would never be able to eventually outsmart and overpower a bigger opponent who is trained in shorter point based fights
One of my favorite matches of all time
Loved your videos
this is crap, ryon with a stupid smile on his face, doesnt try anything,
@@rockade2408 watch the final few minutes. It was sub only. One guy was attacking and one was stalling for the clock to end. I thought both guys did well. It was a good match. I wasnt that surprised that Ryron got better as the match went on longer. Andre never got a sub attempt. When Andre had the north south/side positions early on I was surprised he didn't try to muscle a kimura or fall back for the armbar just to try.
@@rockade2408 You're crap, and not even able to see a master even if he slaps you in the face.
Ryron was playing a top player, and absolutely, thoroughly, cancelled his game.
And you whine moan and bitch. lolol
why? you think stalling for 20 minutes is cool?
One should never comment his brother fights ...
This is probably my favorite jiujitsu match to watch, the unstoppable force vs the immovable object.
Guys, its not stalling. Its control! Amazing performance by both masters.
I think Ryron was fighting a bit too safely. I believe Marcelo Garcia would get the finish against Ryron.
+Kanguesso Kang EVVVVerybody wants to see Marcelo in Metamoris.
Last I heard, Marcelo was not focusing on competing anymore, and focusing very hard on his students instead. What about Kron Gracie?!?!?!
QuakePhil Kron has already fought at Metamoris!
Yes he has, and he is only getting better!
I was actually impressed by Ryron's performance. I didn't expect him to do as well as he did against a world class competitor. Towards the end of the match his endurance seemed slightly better, and he actually went for a few submission attempts of his own. Sure, he did play defensive at times, but Galvao is no joke. Sometimes you have no choice and it's in your best interest to manage your energy better than your opponent. I agree that the commentary was bias, but what do you expect? It's his brother! I'd cheer for my brother too. If it were a points match, Galvao would have undoubtably won, but that's not what he signed up for. It was a good match. I've learned so much about BJJ from watching Galvao's matches and Ryrons videos, both of which are great ambassadors for the sport.
Correct, it's trendy to hate the Gracie's these days apparently, despite the fact that guys like Galvao namely wouldn't be doing what they are doing without them
Ryron let his opponent exhaust himself while he just chilled, then he began throwing down moves of his own.
Jake Gage
And still could not get anything close to a submission after conceding guard passes, takedowns, north-south to save energy. lol
+petersouth1000 who fuckin cares man, it was a chill exhibition between two skilled dudes.
petersouth1000 You are keeping in mind the weight difference yes? It's still impressive.
Galvao is a beast, no doubt about it. I was impressed at how efficient Ryron was with his defense. He makes it look easy.
It's on commentary: Ryron almost catatonic under side mount at times: so efficient with energy, while Andre's cardio is exceptional.
that guy you talking about cannot be the best if he didn't submit Ryan that means Ryan is the best cuz all he did was defense
excellent defense always beat good office
@@cicerohobbs4013 if your gameplan is perfect defense and you slip up once, you lose
It is easy to get your guard passed at will. Doesn’t take any effort to not defend your guard
This is a masterclass in survival an expending almost zero energy. amazing.
This match is for humanity, not for flashy show.
McChulo
This philosophy bullshit is what ruins martial arts stfu
@@jeegupopli1871 lol, arcmchair warrior. You go and practice this philosophy against any black belt. Then you might start to appreciate defense.
Martial arts is mostly bs. This is a sport. And it has rules. The rules were observed, and these two guys were masterful. Something you can't even dream of.
"people want to see submissions", and still this is the best metamoris fight honestly.
It takes a jiujitsu guy to know how great this match is
10 year's of wrestling and I don't see the objectives for a lot of the moves. But I definitely get the struggle of grappling for control. Not sure how you spell Gee? The clothing grabs?
@@armstrong2052 gi
@@Sonkens 🙏👏👏
The objective is submission
I guess. I don't know shit aboot jiujiitsu, butt I was like damn what just happened.
I admire the way the grsacies keep the survival style of their grandfather!!! well done!!
6.32 - Trap and Roll - Brilliant! 1st lesson on the Gracie Combatives course being used in a high-level black belt match, keep it playful!
I love how Ryron has that creepy smile the whole time.
you mean that Dexter Morgan smile? haha
He starts making funny noises when he rolls too it's pretty funny
I love how he was breathing like a was sitting at a desk entering data into a spreadsheet.
It's called a smirk.
Why do you love it?
This is the chillest match for the ref. He's just there enjoying the match without even needing to do anything. Both are pro at what they are doing
I'm a judoka/wrestler with not a lot of jiujitsu experience and honestly not a huge fan of it in general. But for a crowd like that come to watch a bout like this were they knew beforehand there would be a good chance the whole thing could end in a draw with no drama or fireworks but still came to appreciate the subtleties and skillful nuances of a match between two highly competent athletes in a very niche sport is a real pleasure to see.
6:33 - trap and roll, Slice 1, Lesson 1 from the Gracie school and Gracie combatives. The most basic white belt technique, successfully executed on one of the greatest BJJ practitioners ever. You dont need fancy techniques and worm guard, or berimbolos, and spinning, inverted triangles. The basics practiced to the PhD level are enough. Look no further than this match, or 95% of Roger Gracie's matches.
Crazy we just learned this sweep yesterday...
I know this is an old comment but thought I’d respond.
The idea that “Basic” BJJ has been passed by today’s sport-oriented grappling trends is just false. Good Jiu-Jitsu is Jiu-Jitsu that *works*. I love watching the technical stuff from guys like Gordon Ryan. Nothing it respect.
But there’s something about watching guys like Roger Gracie dominating with the techniques a beginner learns in their first year. It’s just so damn cool.
Points for position are suppose to signify dominant positions. If was a real mma fight ryon would of been pounded.
@@jrock2019 That's like saying, "if it was mma rules, Connon McGregor would've leg kicked Mayweather, taken him down and pounded or submitted him." Yea, no shit if the rules were different they wouldve used different strategies.
If would've been a real mma fight, Ryron wouldn't have left himself open to be pounded and/or tried to get out of those positions sooner or chose different positions. Reference: He trains UFC level MMA fighters.
@@jrock2019Its a grappling match, di...k head
Man... I can’t tell you what a pleasure it was to watch this all the way around! 2 excellent practitioners! The commentary was excellent! Just enough and not too much! The camera work was excellent! The sound was excellent!
Galvao is not only a jujitsu genius and innovator he's a top their competitor physically gifted and at the top of his game and constantly training ryron is basically an instructor. This was an exhibition match to show that gjj is still as effective as ever. And its true if he can stand 20 min against galvao and tire him out to the point of exhaustion then I'm sold! If that match would have gone 10 min more galvao would have been done! He was tired after 15 min! This was brilliant strategy by ryron it worked
No it didn't he didn't tap Andre and that's the point. They had 20 mins and niether one did anything
Ryron's goal was to survive. Galvao knew that he had a 20min match and went for the submission. If Galvao had a 30 min match he would have adjusted his approach for a 30 min match.
If it was a points match, Galvao would have won. If it was a street fight, Galvao would have won. And who's idea was it to have Rener commentate on a match that involved his brother?
tommypickles7
Yeah I love the idea that laying on your back for 10 minutes wins a street fight.
Ryron was never in a fight, he admits it.
petersouth1000 i bet you cant beat him lol
If the match was 30 minutes, I could see Ryron taking this one.
+Ronnie Same. That was a great match, but Ryron was definitely outlasting Andre.
+Ronnie hahahhahahahhahahahahahahha, you funny bro
+Ronnie yeah... but andre trained for a 20 minute match, not a 30 minute match
+Ronnie I agree Ronnie. He knows how to conserve his energy till needed. He stayed unscathed until the last 5 minutes. Then he pushed. Smart. Conserve until you need to use energy. The other guy would tire out for sure. He was already in 20
+Ronnie I agree, Ryron was definitely taking over that fight in the last 6 minutes.
I love this match, it shows that solid fundamentals and a defensive mindset will totally shut down a world champion, now there was no submission but it just goes to show how fundamentals are important and that advance techniques are just an accessory. Bravo!
@Muskeln-kaufen.de It keeps you your life and stalls for time. Those are very good things if you are in a team.
@Muskeln-kaufen.de He proved something here that the fundamentals are powerful enough to counter a world champion from submitting you. If you're not confident enough against someone you can always fall back on fundamentals and a good defense to stall for time and not see if you can't find another angle.
@Muskeln-kaufen.de Defense keeps you alive.
@Muskeln-kaufen.de Metamoris is a submission-only event. When you take out points, you remove the bullshit point-seeking tactics and can survive against the best with the absolute fundamentals.
Can you imagine Rickson, unsubmitable...but then again submits everybody. Been watching interviews about Rickson...what the hell is that then....some god level sh*t...what an inspiration the essence of jiu jitsu is....
Still coming back once or twice a year to watch this. Amazed every time. OSS
Same here!!
The more I see this the more I'm impressed with ryrons skills
I absolutely LOVE the "what should I have for lunch?" look on Ryron's face the entire match.
I now understand and appreciate this match after practicing. Beautiful match.
What’s fascinating is that Ryron can be in a position that “looks like” he’s in trouble, but he really isn’t.
Scorch1028 except that he really is. Just because he didn’t get submitted doesn’t mean he was never in trouble.
@@pjbuma13 He's not really in trouble. Andre never came close. Ryron has practiced being on his back so much he knows pretty much every option Andre has and how to counter it.
@@tjl4688 Just because he knows how to escape doesn’t mean he wasn’t in trouble.
@@pjbuma13 He wasn't in trouble. Ryron has mentioned that he worked with Kron to match Galvao's intensity from that position, so much that he was comfortable being there.
Remember it's a sub-only match, he doesn't have to worry about points.
@@tjl4688 being comfortable in a bad position doesn’t mean you aren’t in trouble.
"Galvao dominated most of this match" ... yeah well the Golden State Warriors Dominated 99.9% of the NBA season last year....... but they didn't win. Some people don't get that.
When Ryron turned it up in the last few minutes and Galvao pulled closed guard, it told me Galvao changed his mind and played for the draw.
Old school Jiu jitsu is a lot about not being defeated, we are pretty sure Rorion would stay couple hours in there without being submitted, But I m not sure about Galvão
Gracie legacy the lion is always patient for their prey
@@lusousal2002 exactly.
A very ignorant commentary, which trivialises the oh-not-so-simple-act of fighting Galvão for 20 minutes and not get subbed. lol, joker.
I think the real champion here is the sweatshop that made these indestructible Holiday Inn bathrobes.
underrated af
i am constantly amazed at the amount of control and technique of both men in this match. i've recorded this and watched it over and over and every time i come away learning something new
Who won this match depends on your fundamental philosophy of BJJ. The Gracie world will say Ryron never had his guard passed, escaped, and wasn’t tapped and won defensively, the sport world will say Andre got more points, more dominant positions, and had better attacks.
There are no points in this match. Philosophy has nothing to do with it.
This match is a draw.
Granted the goal is submission, but it is still extremely educational to watch the survival strategy of Gracie jiu jitsu. Ryron carried zero tension in his face, so friggin relaxed. Would be interesting to see a no gi rematch. Bjj for life!!!!!
The Helio Filter comprises of techniques and positions that conserve energy. This includes: bottom side control, getting mounted, giving up your back, getting neck cranked, and being on the recieving end of a vapourizer.
Hope this clears things up.
Thanks.
- Helio Filter
Ryron pulled side control early on to wear Andre out.
The important thing about this technique is to get your legs out of the way of the passer so as to not tire yourself. lol
For a submission only event. One went for submissions the other went to survive.
That's unfair, considering Ryron tried to attack towards the end when Andre had gotten tired, just like his plan was before the match.
You only submit if the opportunity is there. Sport BJJ wants you to pursue the submission no matter what.
Helio always taught people to make their opponent burn out first, which is what Ryron did. Andre burned up his energy, just as Ryron predicted he would.
Why are all these people arguing back and forth? Instead of worrying about who said what to who (I mean seriously some of you are acting like you share an apartment with Gracie or Galvao when odds are you wouldn't know them from Adam's house cat if not for their Facebook page...) Let's look at this for what it was: An unstoppable force meeting an immovable object and making a great high-level Jiu-Jitsu match. REGARDLESS of who's won what in past competition; this was a great fight. Accept it as such and forget the politics and the bickering.
Well said. We get to watch a case study in strong offense vs strong defense, for free, on demand. Poison immediately flows from keyboards for nothing more than sheer lack of gratitude and base level understanding.
@@johnrogers1038 I had forgotten about this video. 9 years ago lol I was a wise blue belt, wasn't I? 😁
This is my favorite BJJ match of all times. Galvao is one of the best submission artist ever and he couldn't submit Ryron and had 20 minutes to do it. Every white/blue belt should study this match to learn about patience and defensive concepts.
Agree but only works because there is no points vallid
@@neimazocco53 there are no points on the street.
@@kennethcurtis1856 Yes but on the street if someone passes your guard or get knee on belly , its gonna be raining ground and pound. Thats why points for position really matter
No they shouldn’t this was bad fundamentals. Protect yourself with a guard not by laying under side control.
ah here are the armchair black belts
I have so much respect for the game Ryron is playing. It’s all self defense based. He stays so calm and confidant.
I’ve never watched something like this before and I’m impressed. Thank you
I think ryron does really well considering he was probably expected to loose. Galvao should have been able to sub him considering he competes and trains at the highest level and ryron trains with his students and doesn't even really compete.
Not true. Ryon had the best teacher in Rorion Gracie. Even Rickson says the best teacher is Rorion. The son of Rorion should have done better than survive for 20 minutes while in an inferior position. Galvao couldn't finish because his opponent was fighting in a way that is not possible in true life. In reality, time is not on your side. Hence matches force action and action leads to winning or losing. By having no points you kill motivation, not increase it. By having long time, you kill aggression not increase it. In REAL LIFE nobody has time to just chill underneath side control. Gracie Academy logic fails from this fallacy.
ncrb73 by having no points and long time you see real technique
bdjuggalo
No you just see loser stalling on the bottom instead of winner stalling on top.
I don't see much stalling. I see jiu jitsu happening. in my tournament they tried to call me for stalling on bottom but I laughed because I had him in an arm triangle choke while they were calling me for stalling.
bdjuggalo
Yeah he must have had an arm triangle up his butt so we couldn't see it.
torço sempre pro André Galvão, e sinceramente não conhecia esse Ryron, não vi nada de mais, porém a frieza e a calma dele é intimidadora.
I think many people are looking at the small picture. Galvao has well over 500 fights to his credit, but Ryron has very few. I think Galvao summed it up the best when he said this was not "his type of fighting" . Ryron really was using the traditional gracie method, of just waiting, survive and wait until your opponent gets tired then submit. Many people for get that Royce gracie did the same thing in UFC, and was considered a great champion. I understand Ryron position, becuase as a 40+ jujitsu roller, you want to win, but doing it over the long hall. I want to be 85 and teaching, and people able to withstand a fighter like Galvao, and not get submitted (Galvao having way more experience than Ryron) is a HUGE victory...
peacefulmind319 ....very well put!
Waaay more experience? Are you on drugs? Ryron's been on the mats since he could crawl. How can Galvao compare?
MrSupertwo I believe he meant way more experience in a competitive setting.
peacefulmind319 sakuraba did it better than royce did
"Galvao has way more experience" in tournaments I suppose.
Rob Schneider in the crowd at 15:30
underrated best comment ever - waterboy great american sports film
I'm not going to go with the stupid "Galvao was so much bigger" they were both equal, but Ryron won for me, perfect defense and last 5 minutes attacking
Andre still has nightmares of Ryron advancing to get his lapel.
Rickson Gracie: I respect Eddie bravo and his contributions to bjj but I don't like competition jiujitsu and winning fights through game plans rather then skill
@White Boy You're supposed to let people power out of your guard if you can't control them. Conserve your energy and transition to grounded kicks while you search for a way to stand up or sweep them.
@@tjl4688 or just let people have fun lol
I did Brazilian jiu jitsu for about 21 years. I was never ceased to be amazed at the skill required to get to this level (i didn't). People who have never done jiu jitsu....grappling for just 2-3 minutes tires most people out. Professionals like this go 20-25 minutes with no problem. The breathing....the planned moves.....knowing countless submissions....all add up to an exciting match to watch. If you really want to learn how to defend yourself in a real fight...find a jiu jitsu dojo.
17:11 Damn that grip break by Ryron was fucking amazing
Ryron has that "offensive" face he puts on when he started to get more aggressive. That's when you know shit is bout to be nuts. Honestly wish this fight had no time limit that would be sick
Never seen someone so relaxed as Ryron - absolute pro.
Ryron has such solid fundamentals
I watched this live with my BJJ family and here in 2019 I still get goosebumps when I watch it. Both of these guys are masters in the art and it`s cool to see how each uses their particular game against the other.
Ryron's style is state of the art.
This is one of the biggest upsets in BJJ history. For a guy like Ryron to not get submitted by one of the greatest of all time, after spending half of a match trapped in side control, is just incredible.
I’m so so happy the commentary wasn’t biased at all
que nível de jiu jitsu é esse? amo esse tipo de jogo....nada de berinbolo, top
Oss!
Galvao's competitive spirit got a black eye with that trap and roll.
My fav BJJ match in years. Anyone who knows Galvao knows he is VERY competitive and has a LARGE ego, and his post match interview showed that. Personally, I think he was frustrated for not being able to pass Ryron's guard, nor submit. If you Ryron had been more aggressive it would have exposed more. Most don't realize that Galvao is one of the best BJJ players to walk the Earth and Ryron's technical defensive BJJ allowed him to not to get submitted. Galvao is a monster. I think Andre thought it would be over in a few minutes. Notice that Ryron's skill allowed him to escape Galvao's mount with the basic white belt upa escape. I have trained with dozens of people over 25 years and one of the most impressive non-world class black belts I ever trained with was Ryron.
What are you talking about, he passed Ryron’s guard at will. Gracie’s are always going on about “Gracie Jiu Jitsu” being for self defense but just sitting there in bottom position for 20 minutes is about the worst thing you could do in a fight. Imagine if there were strikes, Ryron would have gotten mauled from these positions
@no-teleology I came up thru gracie Jiu-jitsu, and it was better for mma than Sport Jiu-jitsu as we actually learned how to control to avoid punches.
I’m so impressed with Ryron. Andre is a beast who can make some of his opponents look like Purple Belts. His top game is scary.
In Arte Suave, Andre shows his incredible strength and athleticism. Freaky.
What a great match.
As much as I love the gi, I’d really like to see them roll no-gi.
Ryon was confident, calm and composed. He was wearing Andre out effectively. With all do respect to Andre's prowess, Ryhon was controlling most of the fight through his patience and conservation of energy. An aspect of the Gracie philosophy is to allow your opponent to choose how he will lose. Andre' was beginning to tire and Ryon was beginning to take advantage of that weakness.
Fele Trejo They might have, but guess what. In a real fight do you rather be destroyed or win even if that means that is going to take ''too long''. Matter of fact you are being a bitch for bitching about how Jiu Jitsu is, and if you think they are little bitches why don´t you challenge them, let´s see you talk shit about them after being fucked up
Fele Trejo You don't even know how to spell Ryron, your so dumb you can't even read what is on the title
What an excellent rebuttal to my statement.
Ryron shouldn't have even turned up, if he knew his game plan was to work for the draw.
With all do respect, that was not my point. His tactics are different, that's all. They are not as aggressive as some of the more "point driven" tactics that are encouraged in other competitions. It is like chess. There is blitz chess and then there is a game of patient out maneuvering. Both can end in a stalemate.
This amazing. Nothing muscled, no wasted movement from either of them, and great technique. This is something to learn from.
Strategically, this match was interesting: From my perspective, it seemed like Ryron spent the first 75% of the match trying to tire Andre out, and then got more aggressive at the end of the match, presumably because he had succeeded (it seemed to me that Andre DID seem tired out, based on his posture, and the fact that he suddenly became more defensive at the end, whereas at the beginning he was more aggressive, and possibly burned himself out in the process). It would be interesting to speculate what would have happened if Andre hadn't been more aggressive in the beginning, but just been more relaxed, and not played into Ryron's strategy (would Ryron's strategy remained the same or would he have shifted gears and become more aggressive?) or how things may have played out if Ryron had shifted from defense to offense sooner.
At 5 minutes in, when Ryron effortlessly pulls off that trap and roll (literally the first technique Gracie Jiu-jitsu teaches) it's so beautiful. If it works on 6 time ADCC champion (the most in history) Andre Galvao, it will work on some guy on the street.
That’s the only thing he did successfully
@paintpaintpaintco.6039 ah i must have missed where he came close to being submitted
That knee against the arm at 17:09 daaaamn! Solid move.
Rener can be a commentator for golf lol such a good match!
take a shot for every time he says "pulling guard, very interesting"
I wish they would bring back Metamoris. This is how Jiu Jitsu should be conducted. Not all the silly tactics that coincide with Ibjjf rules.
I’m eating the best microwave Mac and cheese rn. Taste like world peace ❤️
Fascinating to say the least
Esse sim é o Jiu Jitsu que eu admiro, Ryron Gracie representou o mestre Helio perfeitamente.
exato. arte suave na essência, sem se cagar fazendo força nem dando berimbolo e inventando modinha pra pontuar
O André passou o carro, pode n ter finalizado, mas deu uma blitz de vagabundo no Ryron..!!!😎😂
Representa a família grecie e vence saudade do Caraí de Rolls i de helio
representou? foi amassado.. deus me livre representar alguém assim hauhauahuah
@@carolzucarino9266 o que adianta driblar e não fazer Gol, se fosse sem tempo, Galvão ia ser finalizado, isso sempre foi a estratégia Gracie, anular o adversário e finalizar depois.
It’s always a little surprising what a true warrior-poet Ryron is
Defend > Escape > Control > Submit
Ryron made it through 3 of the stages, given a few more minutes - I'm sure he would of made it to stage 4.
This is a prime example of why the fundamentals/self defense is more important than the fancy/sport stuff.
The fundamentals won here (how many sport people can say they trap & rolled a competitor with over 500 matches?), and they'd definitely win if there were any strikes involved. 👊🏼👍🏼🤙🏼
I love BJJ, but watching matches has always been a challenge. This is the exception, beautiful work here from both sides and very proud of Ryron..
15:32 rob snider in the crowd 😂😂
What an amazing match. You can make the argument that Andre is the better grappler under the sport bjj ruleset. It depends on how you define those parameters: You're on top more; more aggressive; pushing to finish; playing more offense and controlling and dictating the match; riding time. Those kinds of things, to me, set the table.
Ryron was mostly playing to survive. Not trying to win but trying not to lose, either. It's an interesting tactic. In sports, you're taught to take chances and try to win, as opposed to try not to lose. That's how you separate the good from the greats. The greats take chances and come up on the winning side more often than not. If you don't play to win, you're playing to lose and you probably will. That's sports. This is sports, too. Sport BJJ. In this case, since the ruleset dictates only sub can win, no points, the path to victory is "easier". You can draw, which is not a loss, or you can win by sub and thus the other competitor will take the L. Ryron's strategy of survival was perfect for this ruleset. All he had to do is hang on and he won't lose because a draw is not a loss. It's not a win, either. But it's not a loss.
Even though Ryron's game leans more towards self-defense than sport, this is not a street fight. It's not MMA. It's not even grapple boxing. Both of these guys pulled guard. Personally, last place I want to be in a fight is on bottom. Hell, last place I want to be is in a fight, period. If you were to add strikes in some form or fashion, this would have been a very different matchup. It changes the game significantly, probably more so for Andre who I'd gather doesn't grapple spar as often as Ryron or Rener. When Roger Gracie started his MMA career, he said himself that only about 25% of his BJJ game carried over. 25%. And his BJJ game is fairly traditional. What does that say about most other top BJJ athletes who employ all this fancy and exotic shit and carrying over their game to MMA? I can't compare these kinds of matchups to NHB/Vale Tudo between two trained athletes. It's apples and oranges. It's different rulesets. Anyway, this was a fantastic contest. Lot of little things to pick up and learn from these two.
Nobody:
Rener: "Pulling guard, very interesting"
No doubt that Andre Galvao has been on the juice for years, perhaps decades~
Andre attacked for 15 minutes, never gave any real threat, Ryron attacked for 5 minutes, and got alot closer to a finish
Ryron is a genius
"You shouldn't defend all the time. Anytime you defend, you're losing the fight...Losing time to attack."
- Marcelo Garcia
True. And who's more fun to watch? But it comes from how the gracies were training against bigger stronger opponents their philosophy /combat style.
juntjoo nunya combat style by not moving and not doing anything?
hey there, I humbly disagree. Most of the time, the opponent who is always on the offensive feels even more defeated if all their own attacks are thwarted. Can be very, very demoralising when all your efforts prove fruitless. And if you defeat your opponents mentally using your defensive abilities that too can be seen as a win and a form of "attack". You've just won a small victory in the overall match. Offence is only one of many facets of BJJ. The other facets are Control, Escape, and Defence. But respect to the legendary Marcelo as well.
JSL thank you for that great angle. I’m just a novice, so you definitely helped me see a better view of what Marcelo meant, and of the overall aspects of the sport. Much appreciated.
The goal of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is to last longer and exhaust your opponent.
Rener's commentary is freaking hilarious
Galvao said from the start, "I have to keep attacking and fighting for the submissions"... that's a recipe for exhaustion
For sure but the mind set of Galvao is to win the fight and Ryron was just to survive
glad this got an HD release
could you survive against Galvao?
swaxTV I personally could.
swaxTV personally? yeah.
ha!
+swaxTV All day, easy money.
Hell nah
Ryron pulling of a sweet trap and roll mount escape shows mastery of the "fundamentals". So many people don't understand how amazing that is to be able to defend on that high of a level. Respect to both fighters.
@Josh Hale did you watch the whole thing? They announce it. You'll catch it if you start at 6:28. I rewatched it so I could find it for you.
@Josh Hale it's only "basic" technique because it's taught in fundamentals classes, but it doesn't mean you stop getting better at it. The better you get and the better the people around you get, the better your "basics" better be. To pull that off at that level I would not call it "basic" anymore, but mastery.
In my humble opinion Ryron did a better job neutralizing from a disadvantaged position than Andre did attacking from an advantaged position. Ryron submission attempts and escapes were better though Andre had really good passes and seemed to be more explosive and athletic.
ABSOLUTELY
Ryron did an amazing job! I have learned so much from him. #Respect
Ryon pulls guard and he said "He has a skilled Guard". Andre pulls guard and he says "He's tired". The commentary is very bias.
And he was tired, Galvão always attacks ..
true
considering one of the announcers is ryrons brother......
Ryron has no guard, Galvao passed like his legs were not even there.
petersouth1000 Ryron was there to prove a point which wasn't about beating Andre. You could agree or disagree with that line of thinking in regards to a competition setting. However, to say he doesn't have a guard isn't even remotely close to true.
That was AMAZING! from both. The constant attacks and the picture perfect calm methodical defense. Some of the grip breaks were pretty awesome too, using the knee to push the hand away. Whew!
incredible defense by Gracie...can't deny that.
Epic match up and the endurance of both is impressive
Would love to see Kron vs Andre Galvao.
Link this vid every time somebody starts whining about having to learn Bjj fundamentals.
2013? Where have I been? Life goes by too fast!
This is a perfect example of why there should be no time limit. If this were to continue for another hour, Ryron would probably end up winning by submission in my opinion. He just seemed much more calm and composed. Preserving his energy would win him a submission if the endurance aspect was dragged on.
Beautiful jiu-jitsu.
Galvao was given 15 minutes to attack, and he had nothing to show for it. Ryron attacked for 5 and came a lot closer to getting the submission. Cooking your opponent is a valid strategy. It didn't work vs such an athletic opponent, but if there were no time limits this fight would have probably gone to Ryron. Galvao was using way too much power to last for much longer.
Yup
Someone who gets it. Good to see.
Exactly.
This is one of my all time favorite matches. Two very different approaches to Jui-Jitsu. We are so fortunate to see this brilliant match.
This is freaking incredible endurance.