What’s up guys! I know there’s some weird audio issues and I noticed them while I was editing and spent literal hours trying to fix them but this was the best I could do. I apologize if it’s annoying to listen to 😓
Not sure if someone mention it but maybe the only reason he wiped the computer clean was incase his son did take it and sold them that there would be no personal info.💗
The older son said that the father was planning to approach the drug addict tell him that they were going to take a a trip that same day he pulled out $600 and bought a map I feel like one of your approach the Max drug addict he killed them took the $600 cuz he also had the car
I often get this man mixed up with Richard Hoagland, the Indiana man who abandoned his family and was found after 20+ years in Florida. Same last name but not the same person.
Yeah I watched the Disappeared episode when it came out and other than that show there was no info on the internet and everything was just about the other dude.
The people max was involved with need to be looked into more. 100%. Maybe max owed them money and that’s why he took the $600 out of the atm to keep his son safe and there was some sort of altercation. Idk
Good point. If he were going to leave, why would the timing be so odd? Why wouldn’t he do it right away while she was in turkey or wait til she got back so she could be with max? The timing is very strange.
I kind of hate how you feel the need to apologise for potential comments about how the background looks.. who cares what the background looks like? Lol
@@heatherlouise814 I know girl I meant like other people need to get a life if that's really something to complain about , ♥️sorry if you thought I was being rude 🖤💜
Just going to throw this out there- his son was probably high during the polygraph test and thus wouldn't have been very nervous. Also-polygraph tests are not really admissible in court anymore... they've been proven time and again to not be very accurate. I think his son is involved.
Totally agree. We know polygraphs aren’t reliable and especially while being involved with drugs, that could definitely skew the results. But the police ruled him out so maybe there was more evidence we don’t know about or maybe they just put too much emphasis on the polygraph. I’m not sure
typically before a polygraph you are drug tested because if you are high and do it it can be considered an attempt to dodge it or sumn like that, whether they did or not isn’t clear but i would hope they did. + totally agree w your polygraph tests aren’t admissible in court idk why they didn’t look into him further ☹️
As someone who has dealt with addicts, they will do anything if they get desperate. Can they prove Robert removed the $600. I also found it odd that his dad would let him take the car with the laptops in....something doesnt add up. Also if max is high he will probably pass a polygraph due to his chilled nature
@NaturalWhitch He took the car while Robert was napping, without permission. The story about him finding the laptops in the car and hiding them sounds like a load of BS. I think the son sold them for drug money.
I’m not surprised Max passed a polygraph. If you’ve ever known or interacted with a drug addict before they can lie right to your face without breaking a sweat. Lying is like second nature to a drug addict, they constantly have to lie to attempt to hide their addiction. I’m sorry but max is more involved or knows more than he is saying.
@PressedbySammi That's definitely *not* true. He left on his own and changed his identity. He passed away 10 years later. He had decided he didn't want his life anymore and left it all to make a new one. You should be careful throwing out baseless accusations like that with absolutely no shred of evidence is defamation. You could easily be sued and found liable in court for any damages your accusations may cause or may have had caused.
I think Max is responsible for his father’s disappearance. That entire story about the laptops sounds fake and he was also the last person to see his dad
I I I agree but the cop says he passed a lie detector test and all these different kind of test written test statement test I still think he found a way to beat it that's just my opinion
I agree with you.I'm wondering if they possibly had an argument and it turned physical and Max might have possibly killed Robert.It's telling that Robert left his anti hypertension medication behind.I don't think that he would have survived without it.
Thank you for talking about this story, I’m from Newtown (Sandy Hook), CT and it is such a sad story. For people to say he was involved in the Sandy Hook *** is ridiculous. We all hope that they one day get answers 💚💚
This case is baffling, i can't make my mind on what could have happened. And when you said "he's the typcal dad, he looks like anyone dad" I froze and realize that he looks exaclty like MY DAD. Weird. o_ò
as an ex addict the parents idea of showing max nature and that there's more than life than the junkie lifestyle is so heartwarming omg, it's such a shame they couldn't go thru with it 💔
comparing your earlier videos to your newer ones, it’s awesome seeing how you’ve grown as a storyteller and have become more knowledgeable about each case. i can tell you’ve really done your research!
Thank you so much! The more I research the more I find little tricks to find the most detailed info. It’s really cool to hear feedback though! Good to know I’m getting better :)
Hey! I know this is an older story, but more new information just released. They found Robert deceased on December 5th in an apartment he shared with another person. He had been living there since Nov. 2013 under the alias Richard King. I feel absolutely terrible for his family and hope this gave them the closure they needed. 💖
This really saddens me Robert (Bob as I knew him) was my next door neighbor growing up in Southern CA for 15 years. He was a great guy and and always cooked great food. I pray for his family and hope that he is found soon. I know his brother had recently passed away with pancreatic cancer.
I was thinking the same thing. I have a very similar last name, and my fathers name is Robert, so the name definitely stood out to me (as do most cases with this last name). There very well may be nothing to it, but it definitely is something that stands out
I have a feeling he argued with Max about his drug abuse and it got out of hand. I think Max killed his father, probably by accident in the heat of the moment. It’s really the only theory that makes sense. Another great video!! Xx
I appreciate how much work you put into researching these videos. it's really refreshing because there are a lot of low effort true crime channels out there.
Wow so I thought this was strange case but if he was capable as a father, husband and person in general- to pick up and leave for 3 weeks without talking to his family then he is capable of leaving his family at any time. In my opinion, I think he left on his own accord.
Hi hun,I don’t think he left on his own accord .he would have worn his shoes or trainers,surly he had plenty of time to have a head start while his wife was on holiday.he wasn’t a young man anymore and was running errands like normal before hand.i think the 600 dollars was taken by his son for drugs.i really feel like max had something to do with his dads disappearance,imo .i hope I am wrong but I believe he is dead.i just don’t think he would up and leave especially with out much money.i think either him and max got into an argument and max killed him by accident.there is no way max didn’t sell those laptops for drugs!!i think max lied and blamed the men for stealing the laptops but it was him..i hope I am wrong.thanks for covering this case hun .i hope his wife and family get answers one day and Robert can be brought home.sending 💖and🙏from🇬🇧💖
I think there is more to the story. What makes a grown man leave with maybe 600 dollars with no shoes? Seen before hand buying a map of the east cost and filling up with fuel. That indicates a road trip. But you dont leave your wallet at home. Guys always keep that wallet with them.
I wonder if there is ATM footage to see if someone was with him or if he was in distressed while taking out that 600. Or if his son is the one that really took the money out?
I think him taking money out of the bank could have possibly been for getting the laptops back? Maybe having cash in hand for a pawn shop or shady characters. If he was so loving n caring with his Wife maybe he didn't want her to come back home to that negativity. I also think that perhaps he was so frustrated with all the shenanigans with Max that maybe he did want to walk away for a bit and possibly hit foul play.
Update: He’s been found deceased in an apartment. It appears he just up and left his old life behind and had been living undetected for all these years.
Yay 😃 was able to watch as soon as I got the notification!! Love ur back ground but exciting for a new one!!!! I love watching to find out what Case you choose to tell!! ❤️
Based on the discovery of his body, it appears he left of his own accord. Why he allowed his family to think he was probably dead for nearly 10 years is the big mystery
I dont comment normally but my theory is this... Max and him got into a fight. I think Max went overboard on a night of being sick and in search of drugs. If you deduce with his last 24 hrs, max is the last person to see him, he took $600 from bank (curious if he was on video or Max with him in the car) he had future plans to pick up lori, he always came back to any circumstances that had him leave, what about his phone? Did they check that? His keys and wallet being hidden (from Max) and found... Max could truly believe he didn't do anything. Ive been in similar shoes... done and did things I dont remember and have memories that I've formed that arent real. Just saying a polygraph test is not 100% & cannot be used in court of law. I am very curious if Max went under to a sedated state if Max would say more of the truth. Or let's say he ran away, why not take more money? $600 is not going to get your far. Also lori should have seen some sort of sign. Meaning pulling away, distancing, lack of future plans, etc.. it's all speculation to me. 50 years old is not the prime time for psychological break or spike in mental illness. Some of these things might not have a deeper meaning. Wiping computer isn't so suspicious, maybe he was looking up stupid stuff, running slow or Max was. The map is bizarre but VERY TELLING. Most maps arent cheap. The odds of Robert falling into foul play with a stranger is so low but to me, you work from closest family/friends and work outwards. Overall I think Max tricked Robert into thinking he needed money and he would get clean and go on a trip. He may have said he needed some drugs and then go to rehab and go on this trip. Robert called him out on this lie once Max scored or pretended he owed someone money. Maybe friends got involved for a few bucks and it went too far I can only hope he got away and started new but Sometimes facts are stranger than fiction. In the end, I really hope Robert is safe and found someday. I really do! And getting his face out there will help. I think all the time how cool it would be to help solve a crime or find a missing person. The whole crime group on youtube and what a great platform to have to help make changes and give voices to those in need. Its incredible
If my mom was stranded at the airport she would call my brother. The fact noone seemed to know where Max was and that he 'tookt he car without permission' is a clue cell phone records for Max's friends need to be looked at as well as Max's. None of this makes sense
I love my kid and my family so much, but sometimes, especially during this time, I just wanna get in the car and drive to nowhere. I hope he is found live and well.
Rachel you have an amazing way to tell stories i just enjoy your channel so much..you should have so much more in subscribers then you do ..thanks for all you do
I feel like he left on his own accord. Deleted search history and a map bought the same day he went missing. And the fact that he tried it before but maybe he was just smarter about this time...
This case has been updated. He was found deceased this past Monday. He was living under a pseudonym. I guess he just wanted to walk about from his past life. Crazy.
When max got arrested where did that happen. More on street. Thr arrest record just says Bridgeport so that would say that max his son, the day Robert went missing drove 32 miles to buy drugs and got caught by the cops and arrested for criminal trespassing. And it was mentioned that his dad had confronted the dealers before.
I think the son, Max, had something to do with it. It may be his father but addicts will do anything for their fix and with his shady connections he probably wouldn't have a hard time getting rid of the body. I'm sorry but he seemed like a very responsible father, i find it unlikely that he just dropped his family and decided to start anew.
As a recovered addict, nah we won't do anything for drugs. I worked to support my addiction. If someone can kill, it's because they're a piece of shit. Not because they're an addict.
@@asil7528 I agree we are mostly avoiding confrontation and violence. I think Max owed or traded the laptops to the guys RObert had the altercation with. I think Robert said he wanted the laptops back and they said no, he said he'd call the cops and they said sure and next time Max shows up we'll give him a hotshot. So they brawled and finally Robert reasoned the only way to protect his son again short term and get his wife's laptops back was to pay them off the next day. Robert probably didn't even talk to Max on the way home because he was nodded out. The next day he goes to meet those guys gets cash, buys a map to roll the cash up in and head over there. They try to blackmail him for more money, threaten to put info or pictures or whatever was on the laptops online and Robert's frustration and anger and fear snapped. They were just prepared for this reaction probably hoped for it and it didn't go well for Robert. I feel terrible for the whole family and Max, how will he make peace with it all? Unlike most here I hope like his father did, that Max could find his way out, that would be the biggest piece to forgiving himself, by honoring what his Dad died for.
Your opinion is awesome and insightful and very thoughtful thank you for all that you do, How can I donate to you, I've been wanting to support yuur excellent work for a bit now and not sure how, thanks as always
I think Max killed him and robbed him of the cash. Max's story is sketchy - passing/failing a polygraph is meaningless since these devices are inaccurate.
Honestly I dont really put much truth in sightings of missing persons. I have seen sooo many missing people that were "seen" in so many places then they're remains are found and its shown that they were killed the day they disappeared or a few days after. Idk I think a lot of people either mistake seeing them or want to be involved for the attention maybe. This case tho... is baffling! So many times family members say no way their loved ones ran off then find out that's exactly what happened. l usually have an opinion on cases but this one I just dont know! Also you deserve soo many more subscribers.
It's so freaky that there might be so many people out there looking just like one of your loved ones... really sad case, I wish this is solved soon. Great job, Rachel!
Well, this case is actually solved now that he left on his own accord for 10 years remember watching this video a while ago it’s crazy when these things get solved and you go back.
Okay, as a recovering addict with 2 1/2 years clean. I ended up getting lucky and got into a methadone clinic. It’s been proven that MAT (medication assisted treatment) but people are so biased against it . I was arrested when cops found a roach and it wasn’t enough for possession so for that piece of rolling paper I got a paraphernalia charge and one year probation and $2000 in fines, court costs, probation fees, etc (oh if you can’t pay it’s a violation, more jail and fines) but first thing the PO tried doing on first visit? Violating me for having methadone in my system! They still treat addiction as a moral and self control problem you can pray away. Imagine treating mentally ill people the same as they did in end 1930s? Or why do overweight people get insulin, theirs is a choice also is it not? After spending trillions and trillions where has gotten us? There’s a video of a cop who’s daughter was an addict and he had her purposely arrested to help her but FYI it doesn’t help. She got out and ODed . The father who was a gung no narcotics officer said he thinks the entire “drug war “ is BS. Even though the judge said he wanted me to stay in treatment the PO wanted me to sign an “acknowledgement of illegal substance use” and said don’t worry you don’t have to read it.. it’s just for “their records “like yeah sure and I’m the Queen of Sheba. “ I’m not signing anything saying I did anything wrong and he threatened to hold me til I signed. More people died in 2016 from opioids than the entire Vietnam war. I was ejected from a car on the highway and barely survived and spent a year relearning basic tasks and was on pain meds obviously . Then the DEA started arresting doctors so one month I went to my doctor and they said that they won’t prescribe any controlled medications anymore and here’s two months of pills. Of course no docs wanted to accept anyone on them. Naturally, everyone got cut off went to the street. But if the DE-A solved and helped they would lose funding but the worse it gets the mods money they receive. Same with prisons, jails, county.
Yay! A video from you! I actually saw a disappeared episode about this about a year ago....Ok so I'm only 8:37 in but my guess right off is maybe Max knows more n maybe got caught up in some shit with his dealers or something happened to his dad cause of it or Robert denied cash for Max to get "well"/fix and something transpired that way 🤷♀️ I'll edit at end to give a more educated guess lol
The map was to wrap the 600 in. He couldn't be seen handing a drug dealer a wad of cash even if it was to pay off his sons debt. His car would have been hot from Max using it and under surveillance, wonder if vice had more info about that day when (small if) he met up.with them. He was trying to save his son and that will be very hard for Max. Loving an addict child is the most painful kind of love and his Dad wasn't running. He was a good man.
Don't worry about the background or what others say about it; that's not what matters. What matters is you getting the information about this case out there.
Correlation does not equal causation. To imply that this man lived in the area of the school shooting around the time he went missing so therefor was involved is asinine.
I have an idea for your back wall, if your interested? I think you should put black and white pictures of the city (any city) people walking around in nature, possibly throughout the years. Anyways I wanted to let you know my mom and I only began watching you about a week ago. We wanted to let you know that we really like your channel, quite impressive research you've done it's not easy to do one thing nevermind several other things going on in your life. Medical school is hard enough in itself so congratulations on being very good at multitasking!!! That's saying something since I'm 50 and my mom's obviously way older. Your actually same age as my son
I know Max. He is a piece of crap. He still is screwed up and can’t get sober. And oh yeah, when he fights with people he says, “Look up Robert Hoagland and tell me if you still wanna mess with me.” He definitely had a hand in his father’s disappearance.
Maybe he was having an affair which would explain why the computer was cleared. He may have left to be with the person or left out of guilt and feeling ashamed of himself and afraid that it could ruin his marriage and thought disappearing would be better for his family.
Although he has nothing to do with the school shooting, maybe it made him reevaluate his own life. Made him realize that he wants to do something else, get away from all the problems... 🤷♀️. Did anyone mention that he spoke about the shooting a lot or became depressed after it happened?
I think there’s a lot of evidence to support the Appalachian trail, especially given that he didn’t take much money. You’re not really going to need tons of money while hiking/camping like that. There are ALOT of people that hike that trail.. and a lot of them are very social when you cross paths with them. They’re not going be necessarily up to date with the news or social media. I bet you anything he’s on that trail somewhere or met people along the way that live remotely.
There has to be some reason he wiped his computer before the issues with Max. He had something going on and had a gf n they wrote to each other on the computer. I think he went to live her! But I think everyone agrees that Robert did leave his home on his own accord. Unless he's found alive or dead, we won't know why!
Robert Hoagland was found to have left his home of his own free will and was living under an assumed named when he recently died of a heart attack. Just updating the story. He was living less than 100 miles from his family.
What’s up guys! I know there’s some weird audio issues and I noticed them while I was editing and spent literal hours trying to fix them but this was the best I could do. I apologize if it’s annoying to listen to 😓
Oh gosh, I thought this was my laptop/headphones going crazy :D no worries love x
Of course it’s not annoying! We are so glad for another missing persons case to look into! 💗💗
It's not annoying! I can hear a whistle just in the first minutes of the video (if I'm not going deaf), but It didn't bother me at all. 💗💗💗
Idc about your set up / audio .. the work you do on these cases spreading awareness it just amazing you are great ❤️👍
And even tho you have shared that your audio is off so many people will comment that your audio is off😂
🌸 Girl, your space is YOUR space ☺️ I come here for the true crime. No one should have a say in how YOUR room should look. Do what YOU feel 😉
I think it looks fine. I'm not here for interior decor anyway 😊
Not sure if someone mention it but maybe the only reason he wiped the computer clean was incase his son did take it and sold them that there would be no personal info.💗
I agree
The older son said that the father was planning to approach the drug addict tell him that they were going to take a a trip that same day he pulled out $600 and bought a map I feel like one of your approach the Max drug addict he killed them took the $600 cuz he also had the car
I often get this man mixed up with Richard Hoagland, the Indiana man who abandoned his family and was found after 20+ years in Florida. Same last name but not the same person.
I got them mixed up too. Saw reports saying he was found and I was like what??? But it was Richard not Robert
I’m so glad I read through the comments because I almost didn’t watch this due to the confusion! Thank you @rosepuff321!
Yeah I watched the Disappeared episode when it came out and other than that show there was no info on the internet and everything was just about the other dude.
Same. I thought I was crazy.
Same
The people max was involved with need to be looked into more. 100%. Maybe max owed them money and that’s why he took the $600 out of the atm to keep his son safe and there was some sort of altercation. Idk
Yep, the map.was.to wrap it in. You dont hand known drug dealers in a hot car your son has been driving a big wad.of visible cash.
Wow. Great insight! 🙌
Yeah that's what I 🤔 thought too!
I feel like his son’s friends did something to him. Would he really purposely leave his wife in the airport?
Good point. If he were going to leave, why would the timing be so odd? Why wouldn’t he do it right away while she was in turkey or wait til she got back so she could be with max? The timing is very strange.
I kind of hate how you feel the need to apologise for potential comments about how the background looks.. who cares what the background looks like? Lol
ugh me too...like who complains?
@@heatherlouise814 honestly like get a life lol
@@IAmNumberBeans uh, like, omg im agreeing with you. relax
@@heatherlouise814 I know girl I meant like other people need to get a life if that's really something to complain about , ♥️sorry if you thought I was being rude 🖤💜
It’s the same people that count how many times she says certain words. Like just enjoy the story and hush.
Just going to throw this out there- his son was probably high during the polygraph test and thus wouldn't have been very nervous. Also-polygraph tests are not really admissible in court anymore... they've been proven time and again to not be very accurate.
I think his son is involved.
Totally agree. We know polygraphs aren’t reliable and especially while being involved with drugs, that could definitely skew the results. But the police ruled him out so maybe there was more evidence we don’t know about or maybe they just put too much emphasis on the polygraph. I’m not sure
typically before a polygraph you are drug tested because if you are high and do it it can be considered an attempt to dodge it or sumn like that, whether they did or not isn’t clear but i would hope they did. + totally agree w your polygraph tests aren’t admissible in court idk why they didn’t look into him further ☹️
Polygraphs have never been admissible in court.
I agree 100 % with u. Polygraph - Pass it or fail doesn't hold any value.
Turns out he just didn't want to be married anymore and was out there chasing women.
So Max is involved, or at least knows more than he is saying. He should be looked into more, no one could validate his story so it’s sketchy.
As someone who has dealt with addicts, they will do anything if they get desperate. Can they prove Robert removed the $600. I also found it odd that his dad would let him take the car with the laptops in....something doesnt add up. Also if max is high he will probably pass a polygraph due to his chilled nature
@NaturalWhitch He took the car while Robert was napping, without permission. The story about him finding the laptops in the car and hiding them sounds like a load of BS. I think the son sold them for drug money.
I listen as I clean or exercise. The background makes no difference. The content is why I'm here!❤
Same!
This not the first time he has disappeared, the first time was when they separated. I think he is still alive.
I’m not surprised Max passed a polygraph. If you’ve ever known or interacted with a drug addict before they can lie right to your face without breaking a sweat. Lying is like second nature to a drug addict, they constantly have to lie to attempt to hide their addiction. I’m sorry but max is more involved or knows more than he is saying.
thats not inherently true
@PressedbySammi That's definitely *not* true. He left on his own and changed his identity. He passed away 10 years later. He had decided he didn't want his life anymore and left it all to make a new one.
You should be careful throwing out baseless accusations like that with absolutely no shred of evidence is defamation. You could easily be sued and found liable in court for any damages your accusations may cause or may have had caused.
Personnally I didn't care about your background. that's not what makes you a really great crime youtuber. And you are one.
I think Max is responsible for his father’s disappearance. That entire story about the laptops sounds fake and he was also the last person to see his dad
I I I agree but the cop says he passed a lie detector test and all these different kind of test written test statement test I still think he found a way to beat it that's just my opinion
Lie detector can have false positives and false negatives. I find it frustrating when people put so much weight on those.
I agree with you.I'm wondering if they possibly had an argument and it turned physical and Max might have possibly killed Robert.It's telling that Robert left his anti hypertension medication behind.I don't think that he would have survived without it.
Next time don't accuse people of crimes. He left on his own accord.
@@fraon7222
Past behavior can predict new behavior.
Thank you for talking about this story, I’m from Newtown (Sandy Hook), CT and it is such a sad story. For people to say he was involved in the Sandy Hook *** is ridiculous. We all hope that they one day get answers 💚💚
This case is baffling, i can't make my mind on what could have happened.
And when you said "he's the typcal dad, he looks like anyone dad" I froze and realize that he looks exaclty like MY DAD. Weird. o_ò
Could he be your dad?
@@julia7711 Hardly. I'm Italian and he's been with me since I was born in '93 🙈
@@vanessasherbet hug your dad everyday. I'd give anything to hug mine one more time. ♡
@@urmammy84 I will 💗💗💗💗
@@urmammy84 Me too & my mom!
as an ex addict the parents idea of showing max nature and that there's more than life than the junkie lifestyle is so heartwarming omg, it's such a shame they couldn't go thru with it 💔
Lowkey waiting for the stuffed animal in the lefthand corner to start moving on its own....it’s so creepy😂
Awww it's a beanie boo. I think they're cute. I remember I gave my friend a lemur and his dog ripped off it's nose and one of it's eyes. 😂😂😂😂
I think Max knows where his dad is.
comparing your earlier videos to your newer ones, it’s awesome seeing how you’ve grown as a storyteller and have become more knowledgeable about each case. i can tell you’ve really done your research!
Thank you so much! The more I research the more I find little tricks to find the most detailed info. It’s really cool to hear feedback though! Good to know I’m getting better :)
@@RachelShannon --- Could you cover the case of Amelia Cave ?
Hey! I know this is an older story, but more new information just released. They found Robert deceased on December 5th in an apartment he shared with another person. He had been living there since Nov. 2013 under the alias Richard King.
I feel absolutely terrible for his family and hope this gave them the closure they needed. 💖
Forgot to mention, but they found him in NY
Well..” doesn’t seem far fetched to me “.🤷🏽♀️ but it also seems like Max knows more than he’s letting on.
This really saddens me Robert (Bob as I knew him) was my next door neighbor growing up in Southern CA for 15 years. He was a great guy and and always cooked great food. I pray for his family and hope that he is found soon. I know his brother had recently passed away with pancreatic cancer.
Did you hear they discovered him today? 😢
As the presenter, you should be the center of focus, not your surroundings. Do what works best for you!
word. i totally agree with you. i wanna see the cute girl. i don't care about the background
This Case is insane 🕵, I saw the Dateline & just so many questions left. Great job 😍
Who’s here after the update 👀 what a selfish man
Why there so many “hoaglands” missing/found.. there’s Richard Robert Larry... that’s not a very common name so it just strikes me as off
I was thinking the same thing. I have a very similar last name, and my fathers name is Robert, so the name definitely stood out to me (as do most cases with this last name). There very well may be nothing to it, but it definitely is something that stands out
Gosh, I thought the same thing sort of. Like, how many missing “disappearing” Hoaglands are there?
I have a feeling he argued with Max about his drug abuse and it got out of hand. I think Max killed his father, probably by accident in the heat of the moment. It’s really the only theory that makes sense. Another great video!! Xx
I initially thought this too, but I think the cadaver dogs most likely would have picked up a scent if that was indeed the case.
I appreciate how much work you put into researching these videos. it's really refreshing because there are a lot of low effort true crime channels out there.
i love you’re makeup and i think you’re so prettyyyy ❤️
Wow so I thought this was strange case but if he was capable as a father, husband and person in general- to pick up and leave for 3 weeks without talking to his family then he is capable of leaving his family at any time. In my opinion, I think he left on his own accord.
Hi hun,I don’t think he left on his own accord .he would have worn his shoes or trainers,surly he had plenty of time to have a head start while his wife was on holiday.he wasn’t a young man anymore and was running errands like normal before hand.i think the 600 dollars was taken by his son for drugs.i really feel like max had something to do with his dads disappearance,imo .i hope I am wrong but I believe he is dead.i just don’t think he would up and leave especially with out much money.i think either him and max got into an argument and max killed him by accident.there is no way max didn’t sell those laptops for drugs!!i think max lied and blamed the men for stealing the laptops but it was him..i hope I am wrong.thanks for covering this case hun .i hope his wife and family get answers one day and Robert can be brought home.sending 💖and🙏from🇬🇧💖
I think there is more to the story. What makes a grown man leave with maybe 600 dollars with no shoes? Seen before hand buying a map of the east cost and filling up with fuel. That indicates a road trip. But you dont leave your wallet at home. Guys always keep that wallet with them.
I wonder if there is ATM footage to see if someone was with him or if he was in distressed while taking out that 600. Or if his son is the one that really took the money out?
Perhaps the $600 was the ransom money for the return of the two computers. Things went bad during the exchange.
Interesting,I didn't think of that but it would make a lot of sense. Those guys probably know where he is, not convinced Max does.
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I think him taking money out of the bank could have possibly been for getting the laptops back? Maybe having cash in hand for a pawn shop or shady characters. If he was so loving n caring with his Wife maybe he didn't want her to come back home to that negativity. I also think that perhaps he was so frustrated with all the shenanigans with Max that maybe he did want to walk away for a bit and possibly hit foul play.
Great job covering this case. I hope the family gets answers soon 💓
Update: He’s been found deceased in an apartment. It appears he just up and left his old life behind and had been living undetected for all these years.
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Based on the discovery of his body, it appears he left of his own accord. Why he allowed his family to think he was probably dead for nearly 10 years is the big mystery
I dont comment normally but my theory is this... Max and him got into a fight. I think Max went overboard on a night of being sick and in search of drugs. If you deduce with his last 24 hrs, max is the last person to see him, he took $600 from bank (curious if he was on video or Max with him in the car) he had future plans to pick up lori, he always came back to any circumstances that had him leave, what about his phone? Did they check that? His keys and wallet being hidden (from Max) and found... Max could truly believe he didn't do anything. Ive been in similar shoes... done and did things I dont remember and have memories that I've formed that arent real. Just saying a polygraph test is not 100% & cannot be used in court of law. I am very curious if Max went under to a sedated state if Max would say more of the truth. Or let's say he ran away, why not take more money? $600 is not going to get your far. Also lori should have seen some sort of sign. Meaning pulling away, distancing, lack of future plans, etc.. it's all speculation to me. 50 years old is not the prime time for psychological break or spike in mental illness. Some of these things might not have a deeper meaning. Wiping computer isn't so suspicious, maybe he was looking up stupid stuff, running slow or Max was. The map is bizarre but VERY TELLING. Most maps arent cheap. The odds of Robert falling into foul play with a stranger is so low but to me, you work from closest family/friends and work outwards. Overall I think Max tricked Robert into thinking he needed money and he would get clean and go on a trip. He may have said he needed some drugs and then go to rehab and go on this trip. Robert called him out on this lie once Max scored or pretended he owed someone money. Maybe friends got involved for a few bucks and it went too far
I can only hope he got away and started new but Sometimes facts are stranger than fiction. In the end, I really hope Robert is safe and found someday. I really do! And getting his face out there will help. I think all the time how cool it would be to help solve a crime or find a missing person. The whole crime group on youtube and what a great platform to have to help make changes and give voices to those in need. Its incredible
You usually hand a dealer cash out in the open or wrap it in something?
If my mom was stranded at the airport she would call my brother. The fact noone seemed to know where Max was and that he 'tookt he car without permission' is a clue cell phone records for Max's friends need to be looked at as well as Max's. None of this makes sense
I love my kid and my family so much, but sometimes, especially during this time, I just wanna get in the car and drive to nowhere.
I hope he is found live and well.
Well he turned up, he walked away from his life. Wasn’t discovered until he was discovered dead in a town 40 miles away.
I feel they should have looked more into his son Max.
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Very perplexing case. Well presented. Thank you. God bless.
Thank you beautiful angel for covering this case💖👼🏻🌸 I pray he Is found🥺
3:26 scared the crap out of me 🤣🤣🤣 Even so, thank you for taking the time to research and talk about this case!
Omg wot a tragic case let's hope the family get the answers they do need as always Rachel fantastic coverage 😉😊
My personal opinion is that this is a very well planned self-disappearance ...
Grace I agree
Agree as well, hope Rob found some peace 🙏
Rachel you have an amazing way to tell stories i just enjoy your channel so much..you should have so much more in subscribers then you do ..thanks for all you do
I feel like he left on his own accord. Deleted search history and a map bought the same day he went missing. And the fact that he tried it before but maybe he was just smarter about this time...
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This case has been updated. He was found deceased this past Monday. He was living under a pseudonym. I guess he just wanted to walk about from his past life. Crazy.
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Breaking news Rachel. Hope you will do a follow up.
Just learned about this! I will be doing a follow up soon!
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When max got arrested where did that happen. More on street. Thr arrest record just says Bridgeport so that would say that max his son, the day Robert went missing drove 32 miles to buy drugs and got caught by the cops and arrested for criminal trespassing. And it was mentioned that his dad had confronted the dealers before.
I think the son, Max, had something to do with it. It may be his father but addicts will do anything for their fix and with his shady connections he probably wouldn't have a hard time getting rid of the body. I'm sorry but he seemed like a very responsible father, i find it unlikely that he just dropped his family and decided to start anew.
As a recovered addict, nah we won't do anything for drugs. I worked to support my addiction. If someone can kill, it's because they're a piece of shit. Not because they're an addict.
@@asil7528 I agree we are mostly avoiding confrontation and violence. I think Max owed or traded the laptops to the guys RObert had the altercation with. I think Robert said he wanted the laptops back and they said no, he said he'd call the cops and they said sure and next time Max shows up we'll give him a hotshot. So they brawled and finally Robert reasoned the only way to protect his son again short term and get his wife's laptops back was to pay them off the next day. Robert probably didn't even talk to Max on the way home because he was nodded out. The next day he goes to meet those guys gets cash, buys a map to roll the cash up in and head over there. They try to blackmail him for more money, threaten to put info or pictures or whatever was on the laptops online and Robert's frustration and anger and fear snapped. They were just prepared for this reaction probably hoped for it and it didn't go well for Robert. I feel terrible for the whole family and Max, how will he make peace with it all? Unlike most here I hope like his father did, that Max could find his way out, that would be the biggest piece to forgiving himself, by honoring what his Dad died for.
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I think Max killed him and robbed him of the cash. Max's story is sketchy - passing/failing a polygraph is meaningless since these devices are inaccurate.
Yeah honestly if it's not admissable in court, why should it result being cleared as a suspect?
Honestly I dont really put much truth in sightings of missing persons. I have seen sooo many missing people that were "seen" in so many places then they're remains are found and its shown that they were killed the day they disappeared or a few days after. Idk I think a lot of people either mistake seeing them or want to be involved for the attention maybe. This case tho... is baffling! So many times family members say no way their loved ones ran off then find out that's exactly what happened. l usually have an opinion on cases but this one I just dont know! Also you deserve soo many more subscribers.
He ran off instead of dealing with his family problems. He just died in new York living under a different name. He was wrong for that.
💖💖💖Walked away without heart meds&money 4pack,fud&supplies? 🤔🤯Max knows more🧐🤥✨✨✨
I really like the eye shadow. That is an interesting color choice it looks good.
It's so freaky that there might be so many people out there looking just like one of your loved ones... really sad case, I wish this is solved soon. Great job, Rachel!
God knows what happened.
Justice for Roberts wife & his family.
It’s a shame they didn’t get to spend his last years together. That’s sad.
Well, this case is actually solved now that he left on his own accord for 10 years remember watching this video a while ago it’s crazy when these things get solved and you go back.
When u said where he was from I instantly got sad. Well detailed story and I feel like he will be located sooner or later.
Okay, as a recovering addict with 2 1/2 years clean. I ended up getting lucky and got into a methadone clinic. It’s been proven that MAT (medication assisted treatment) but people are so biased against it . I was arrested when cops found a roach and it wasn’t enough for possession so for that piece of rolling paper I got a paraphernalia charge and one year probation and $2000 in fines, court costs, probation fees, etc (oh if you can’t pay it’s a violation, more jail and fines) but first thing the PO tried doing on first visit? Violating me for having methadone in my system! They still treat addiction as a moral and self control problem you can pray away. Imagine treating mentally ill people the same as they did in end 1930s? Or why do overweight people get insulin, theirs is a choice also is it not? After spending trillions and trillions where has gotten us? There’s a video of a cop who’s daughter was an addict and he had her purposely arrested to help her but FYI it doesn’t help. She got out and ODed . The father who was a gung no narcotics officer said he thinks the entire “drug war “ is
BS.
Even though the judge said he wanted me to stay in treatment the PO wanted me to sign an “acknowledgement of illegal substance use” and said don’t worry you don’t have to read it.. it’s just for “their records “like yeah sure and I’m the Queen of Sheba. “ I’m not signing anything saying I did anything wrong and he threatened to hold me til I signed.
More people died in 2016 from opioids than the entire Vietnam war. I was ejected from a car on the highway and barely survived and spent a year relearning basic tasks and was on pain meds obviously . Then the DEA started arresting doctors so one month I went to my doctor and they said that they won’t prescribe any controlled medications anymore and here’s two months of pills. Of course no docs wanted to accept anyone on them.
Naturally, everyone got cut off went to the street. But if the DE-A solved and helped they would lose funding but the worse it gets the mods money they receive. Same with prisons, jails, county.
Yay! A video from you! I actually saw a disappeared episode about this about a year ago....Ok so I'm only 8:37 in but my guess right off is maybe Max knows more n maybe got caught up in some shit with his dealers or something happened to his dad cause of it or Robert denied cash for Max to get "well"/fix and something transpired that way 🤷♀️ I'll edit at end to give a more educated guess lol
Where’d you get your beautiful candle? I’ve always loved it in the background!
The map was to wrap the 600 in. He couldn't be seen handing a drug dealer a wad of cash even if it was to pay off his sons debt. His car would have been hot from Max using it and under surveillance, wonder if vice had more info about that day when (small if) he met up.with them. He was trying to save his son and that will be very hard for Max. Loving an addict child is the most painful kind of love and his Dad wasn't running. He was a good man.
That location is what keeps me wondering O wish they search more on that location there has to be some type of tip even if it's not him
Who on earth is looking at the background when someone as easy on the eyes as you are is in the foreground.
From the land down under 🇦🇺
Don't worry about the background or what others say about it; that's not what matters. What matters is you getting the information about this case out there.
Correlation does not equal causation. To imply that this man lived in the area of the school shooting around the time he went missing so therefor was involved is asinine.
Your voice helps me sleep
This is sad. I feel that he may have been overwhelmed. He might have chosen to run away. In any case, I pray the family gets answers.
He was found with a new identity and has died.
I have an idea for your back wall, if your interested?
I think you should put black and white pictures of the city (any city) people walking around in nature, possibly throughout the years. Anyways I wanted to let you know my mom and I only began watching you about a week ago. We wanted to let you know that we really like your channel, quite impressive research you've done it's not easy to do one thing nevermind several other things going on in your life. Medical school is hard enough in itself so congratulations on being very good at multitasking!!!
That's saying something since I'm 50 and my mom's obviously way older. Your actually same age as my son
You should cover The Lost Boys of Bucks County! It was a murder case outside of Philadelphia that happened in July of 2017.
I agree that he would have left the money for his wife. I think he left on his own.
I know Max. He is a piece of crap. He still is screwed up and can’t get sober. And oh yeah, when he fights with people he says, “Look up Robert Hoagland and tell me if you still wanna mess with me.” He definitely had a hand in his father’s disappearance.
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I always wonder why people care about the backgrounds . I mean it’s not a decorations tutorial
Maybe he was having an affair which would explain why the computer was cleared. He may have left to be with the person or left out of guilt and feeling ashamed of himself and afraid that it could ruin his marriage and thought disappearing would be better for his family.
If I was running away I would not take my car. That's a way to be tracked too.
Your background looks good to me!
Although he has nothing to do with the school shooting, maybe it made him reevaluate his own life. Made him realize that he wants to do something else, get away from all the problems... 🤷♀️. Did anyone mention that he spoke about the shooting a lot or became depressed after it happened?
Is it just my tv/chrome cast/phone, or is the audio messed up? Keeps going really loud then really quiet. Could be my set up tho?
The audio may be messed up unfortunately :( I tried fixing issues but some people said they hear weird volume changes
I think there’s a lot of evidence to support the Appalachian trail, especially given that he didn’t take much money. You’re not really going to need tons of money while hiking/camping like that. There are ALOT of people that hike that trail.. and a lot of them are very social when you cross paths with them. They’re not going be necessarily up to date with the news or social media. I bet you anything he’s on that trail somewhere or met people along the way that live remotely.
Hiking no meds? What about paying off Max's debt and wrapping it in the map?
There has to be some reason he wiped his computer before the issues with Max. He had something going on and had a gf n they wrote to each other on the computer. I think he went to live her! But I think everyone agrees that Robert did leave his home on his own accord. Unless he's found alive or dead, we won't know why!
Robert Hoagland was found to have left his home of his own free will and was living under an assumed named when he recently died of a heart attack. Just updating the story. He was living less than 100 miles from his family.
Rachel, Can you do the Sarah Townsend case from 2010 of Burlington County, NJ? TY~~