Old Generations Vs New Generations
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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Old Generations Vs New Generations Transformers
Check out part two for the other side of the argument:ua-cam.com/video/Bo-tnnQ_WBc/v-deo.html
A lot of people have said I am biased towards the older toys, and yeah I'm a bit biased towards em. But I do like newer toys, you saw the shelf I have a lot of em. But these three specific examples I like the old ones more. Probably should have added that in the video but hindsight is 20/20. Lol. Hope that clears that up
@@babylonknights1160 I got a universe cyclonus and movie smokescreen for about 20 bucks
Blurr is my pick for the worst SS86 figure thus far. I really like Kup.
@@UnfaithfulServant97 seriously man that sucks I was going to by it! So how bad was it?
@@preceptorprime2894 agree to disagree. I really like SS86 Blurr. To each their own though.
@@megamasher3 ok but I’m still skeptical now
if we could somehow marry the transformations and vibes of the older chug figures with the proportions of modern ones, we'd have perfect toys imo
That would be the dream
For me, my first and favorite toy line was DOTM as in my opinion, some of them gave the definitive version of the character like sideswipe or ratchet. Never got the studio series version of these characters bc I saw no need, unfortunately I was too young to realize just how good generations figures were bc I didn’t know anything about g1 and when I came to, I realized what a good line I missed.
Dang, you really nailed it in many aspects, man! The newer figures merely give the illusion of fun. That's the truth. (They often lose their charm in a couple of hours.)
Furthermore, Kup & Wheeljack also had C-Clip tech; while Red Alert was multi-presentable, over and above 5-mm compatibility & integrated weapon storage in both modes. (Clearly, the older designers were simply more passionate, man!)
PS. Was there since the very beginning of Classics, then Henkei (2006 onwards).
It's more like a shotgun than a sniper rifle, honestly.
when talking about actually being toys, the unicron trilogy (mainly armada and cybertron but also some from energon) will always be my favourite. Armada megstron still stands on my desk.
I grew up with those so I know I'm biased but unicron trilogy stuff is just so fun ya it has its lemons but some of those gimmicks can be a blast
I prefer some of the older generations because they don't just look like an exact g1 figure
Dude I love your reviews, I love your content I can respect your biases towards old toys, I actually don't collect much TFs but I do enjoy them, but.....
I feel like your Video Essay or writing could be a bit better in this, yes I know you're biased to the old stuff I respect that but it just became so stale I fell out the video midway
Just commenting here idk if I'm just not getting it but I honestly think your script could've been better written cause hearing "the old stuff is so much better" 100 times gets kinda stale. Not hatin dude believe me I just don't think this was that well written.
Yeah I will agree with you on that a bit. This was longer than my normal content and having to write a long script was a bit meh for me. It def could have been done a bit better.
Thanks for the feedback
Hey man I wanna see you succeed and I love the fact u take a look at olds figures cause they were really really good.
Goodluck mate u still got a lot of videos here I dig a bunch so DW I'm not just throwing random shade
Appreciate it bro
I own pritty much all the current and generation and G1 figures . When I look back when I collected generations Red Alert , Wheeljack ect there was always this feeling in the fandom we loved them but we just wanted what was in the cartoon . Now we are getting that and I have to say IV not had any real QC issues ect with any of them I'm pritty much happy (if anything I'm looking at my masterpiece collection and wondering if I'll sell some lol) but the other side effect from getting what you want is now I can relax and appreciate the generations figures alot more as there not my definitive rendition of that character and I love playing with them alot more . Keep up the good work btw love your content 🙂
I’d rather have the older ones because of build quality, charm, cleverness and creativity. Before the 2000’s is where I would want to *LIVE*! But it’s easier to get newer ones so I live in the new lands.
Huh, what did you change you finally popped back up on my recommend feeds? Kudos., great vids.
I have a bit of a sad story. That Generations Wheeljack was the first Generations figure I ever got as a kid. When I first unboxed it, it immediately became my favorite Transformer and I played with it all the time. Then literally after only two weeks of having that figure, I took it with me to my grandparents and played with it in the sand and the gears got jammed. It wouldn't transform anymore so I had to get rid of it. Then when Earthrise Wheeljack came out, I was obsessed with getting that figure to refill the void my last Wheeljack left in my life. It was a decent figure, but sadly, it didn't fully live up to my expectations. Although looking back at the original, I would say the ER version at least looks better to me, but I still miss the OG alot
Also, funny he motioned Subaru Impreza with Wheeljack, because that's the exact first car I got. Better not drive it in the sand LOL!
I own all of those old figures. And while I miss some of the paint and extra parts, I'll take the new ones 99 out of a 100 times. My whole life I've wanted upgraded versions of what I had and saw as a kid. I love this new era. I especially love the updated BW characters we've been getting since Kingdom, like the upcoming Silverbolt.
now is the golden age for looks, definitely not for price and quality of materials.
red alert as a lamboghini is so much cooler than the ambulance. in my head canon, wheeljack will always be a New Edge 2004 Mustang from Randall Ng and Dr Smoov G1 videos
Honestly this makes me wonder what fucking mind blowing Transformers we'd have now if we got the engineering advancements of the last few years but plastic prices had stayed the same. Like imagine how the kingdom Sideswipe mold would've turned out with the build quality of the universe one.
Oh, also, I REALLY miss the stylized aesthetic of pre WFC. I love the toys, and I do appreciate that they don't use g1 accuracy as an excuse to leave out sculpted detail, but the new aesthetic doesn't do it for me nearly as much.
Even though they're bigger and presumably have better quality plastic (I've only been collection Transformers for a few years), the new figures seem a lot cleaner and better proportioned than the older ones, source material accurate or not.
I think the only one that can even slightly compete with new is kip but it’s a shame because wheel jack could’ve been good but they screwed up the legs and made him a dwarf and I do really like the old red alert mould but not as red alert or sideswipe I wish they just made some rando repaint like the cancelled overdrive
Man those older figures are just so much better than the newer ones
I'm personally excited for the new wheeljack that's coming out it looks fun
I love the old Generations Transformers.
this is the difference between an original G1 fan from the 80s and a 90s to 2000s anime transformers fan. WFC is really good for G1 fans
Thrilling 30 era is probably my favorite era
Old G vs New G.
OG- Fantastic Sculpts, some different iterations with unique details. Price=cheap.
NG- Fantastic Sculpts closer to G1 counterparts( show, comic, and box art). Some figs lack detail like previous iterations. Price= Pricey + Scarce!!!
Probably a really hot take, or possibly not, but I quite enjoy the studio series live action.
Great comparison!
Autobot cars are a real mixed bag on old VS new. I swapped out old Red Alert for the new one, but I kept old Sideswipe. I really like that mold, but it really fits SS more than RA, even though I have a 3rd party head and shoulder cannon to make him look more like himself. Since I kept SS I ket Sunstreaker. The new ones yellows looked bad in person, so it was a pass.
The Prowl bros all got swapped out since I hate the old mold. In theory it's okay, but the pain on Bluestreak and Prowl is just terrible and dirty looking, even when it was new.
Ratchet and Ironhide were both replaced, but the new ones aren't that great either. I bought 3P feet for them. I hear Studio is supposed to have both of them eventually, so maybe I wasted my money. Even with the replacement feet they aren't great sincei hate the way the windows work (some being clear with most not even painted on).
I like the looks of the old Trailbreaker and Hoist more, but they're just too small. Sometimes size matters.
I kept RtS Wheeljack over the new one. I like his look more overall. But I did get Exhaust. I appreciate how clean the transformation is.
I have Classics Mirage. I know his look is divisive, but I still love it. So fun to transform. Not replaced. But I did get Netflix Mirage since I love his colors. I still prefer the Classics one, though.
I got United Jazz and the Studio one and, although I appreciate it, the old one is just better to me. In every way. The deco isn't even right on the Studio one; if I was committed to him I'd have to reprolabel him.
I did replace Tracks. I like the look of the new one, despite those feet. Maybe it's longevity is in question, but I dunno. For him (and not WJ) I think the old looks is beaten out.
Still like the old Hound. I hear he was controversial even back in the day, but I still like his look.
Still, I gotta say, the Decepticons have really won the day when it comes to new toys. Only Astrotrain is a stinker.
Seems like we're getting smaller figures that cost more than the older ones. I kept all of these older versions. They really are that good to either leave in alt mode or just have a different take on them.
Studio Series is definitely my favorite line of Transformers toys, War for Cybertron Trilogy might be second tho
While show accuracy is cool, I miss gimmicks, like lights and sound, mech tech, etc
for me the golden era for transformers toys is 2007-2013 with the 2013 being alright some are good some are meh. And I love that those toys were only inspired by g1 and look diferent like having modern car modes and body design, and movie verse is special part cause they looks amazing, many people hate them because they looks like insects, but they don't get and stupidly enough they won't get it transformers are suppose to be aliens, and if I want to see unreal characters to seems real like they probably exist in universe somewhere they won't looks like boxy japanese toys from 80's
its weird to knock a studio series figure 86 for being the original design
Interesting video it's neat that
We have a lot of options with g1 characters now you kinda get to pick and choose favorites you can display your generations wheeljack next to seige Optimus everybody wins
Generations kup is so cool... Just wish they didn't have that spring loaded chest section on it, thats really annoying for transformation
Wheeljack has always had one shoulder gun
honestly i prefer the new stuff bc what i want is just a normal version of the character, i can accept a headmaster here and there, and i do enjoy different styles if tfs, but for generations i just want a toy that looks like the old design and can look nice on my desk
I feel that the OG G1 is best Prim and Jetfire are the center of my collection got lucky jet fire is 100% complete. With that being said I like the look of ss 86 I have most of that collection, but I just buy what looks fun other than my g1's the rest are still in packaging I just display them.
Out of all the lines, my favorites are definitely hunt for the deceptions and thrilling 30
For a little time, I tried to pass on the SS kup simply cause I still had my old Searg. Kup fig. Of course, I still ended up getting and liking it but the old one still feels amazing to handle. I ain't getting rid of it ever (even if the arms can still be a bit of a B to get in for the truck mode)
That was the point of the entire war for cybertron series, to give us updated figures of character's original G1 design. They've taken liberties with perverting character designs since G2 and before siege the only G1 accurate figures were masterpiece styled. It is inevitable that they will go back to their perversion of the G1 designs they call 'Generations.' Look at Legacy
I'll do that, right after I burn my memories of G1 since the G1 fanbase is toxic whenever it hates on the ideas I liked called Micromasters and Pretenders.
@@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 do what exactly? There's nothing wrong with liking what you like. People even like the same thing for totally different reasons. It's just a matter of preference
As chunky as he is, absolutely love Kingdom Ultra Magnus. Not sure why but having him in my collection just feels right.
That said, the current Generations figures are leaps and bounds better than the toys I grew up with in all things save durability. Kinda hard to top Die-Cast metal.....lol
Kingdom Magnus is a banger. So glad I picked one up
I agree about the older ones!
As a man eith a classics mirage and a siege one i can say that i do lrefer the older one....i do love the transformation of the siege mold, the legs are amazing....but i think the older is more pleasing to look at amd pose....my classic mirage does suffer from very loose joints due to age, especially in the feet and right arm, but thats minor fixes that make an excellent toy
It’s definitely true that 2008-2011 was the Golden Age of Transformers designs. But today’s the best age of G1 remakes, ever. Unfortunately they can’t make toys like they used to. Although, I love both of those Kups. The first one was an amazing militant redesign while the 86 one feels exactly like the animation model. Sure, its arms come off easily but is otherwise perfect. I don’t own the siege Sideswipe mold or Earthrise Wheeljack mold, but both of the originals definitely seem more fun and both the new ones feel like dulled down MP figures, which I already own. I’d personally love to see both design philosophies again side by side, like it was for the Thrilling Thirty toyline.
Ok, that's fine but...
If Legacy makes my Beast Wars childhood all G1 blocky?? That's it, my life as a Beast Wars fan is over :(
13:59 dont worry bro its movie accurate.
Late to the party, but my two cents. I recently got back into collecting transformers and I’m having a bit of a conflict with this same issue. Many of the new designs are gorgeous, but stale at the same time. They’re almost mini masterpieces of the cartoon figures and that’s cool, but I miss the “new take on old characters” thing that the old classics and universe 2.0 lines did. BUT, at the same time the reason I got out of collecting was because the old classics line felt hit and miss. Some figures like classics bumblebee and universe sergeant Kup were amazing - some of my favorite transformers of all time - but then others came out… janky as hell. I personally was very disappointed with generations Wheeljack, and mine is now a floppy mess with almost every joint loose and I have barely touched it in years.
I have to completly disagree with everything you said. I owned all of them and switch ed
Im 15 rn and have been collecting since i was 2, i love the dotm older figures most like the ironhide and sentinel and dotm prime with jetpack and cannon, i was able to do those when i was 6 and 7 years old like those were my childhood and i love the older ines so much more like i am still collecting the 1980 figures aswell where i dont mess with them cause i dont want them to break but the bayverse ones are my favorite. This probably wont get read but i ahree the ss86 ones are not better, they are to pricy and not worth it as much as the older ones
I miss generations transformers toys😩😭
I actually had the old version of Kup in this video
This video has some great points but I'm sorry dude I prefer the new chug style (except kup). Although I do have a few old chug figures & I think universe hound is better then siege hound. Personally, I don't like the aesthetics of the old versions, still a great video.
I honestly really like new Kup, even with his flaws, but I do prefer the older one
Wow, only problem I have with mine ss86 Kup - paintchipping. Joints are tight, altmode is solid and doesn't crumble like yours and I like transformation, it's solid and it's not pain in the ass. Maybe I just G1 Kup biased I don't know.
The conclusion is:"old good","new bad"
For the most part, that statement is accurate. There aren't many figures these days that are better than older versions
@@izzik2781 Depends on the person. For example I feel the opposite as I think that there are few older figures that beat new ones.
I definitely prefer Modern Aesthetics, like the Kingdom Red Alert , that's the only one of those toys I have. But Old generations Kup has better vehicle mode than Studio Series. I feel the Old Gen WheelJack looks too much like G1 toy not the cartoon. I don't have those Wheeljacks but I have Transformers Prime Beast Hunters WheelJack which is a very different design.
To be fair ss Kup is actually a decent figure considering they made a nice and proportionate robot mode make a weirdly shaped alien truck, plastic quality overall i dont think will ever be as good as it did before
Old RID Vs New RID
That's actually a neat idea. Lol
I like all the new ones
I like BOTH eras, for all the reasons you mentioned, BUT there are also things I dislike about both, as you said...
I like the older G3 Wheejack (&Tracks) MORE than the modern versions. I have upgrade kits for the modern Wheeljack, which definitely improve him greatly, especially in bot mode, but I hate that weird looking alt mode shape, especially the front end...! He looks NOTHING like the Lancia body style from G1, not even close. Sad to say, but even the CW Wheeljack alt mode was better (but NOT bot mode, lol, hated those CW hips!!). The older G3 just looks BETTER in car mode, like a sports car SHOULD look, NOT like a weird wedge on wheels...🤔
I also did a custom modification to the older figure, to bring the wings in closer on his shoulders, so he isn't so dang wide, and THAT little fix makes me like the figure SO MUCH MORE!! Since I picked up an extra couple of those Wheeljack figures to be customized, I think I'll take the missile launcher from an extra, and give it to my modified one...
There's ANOTHER modification for that older G3 mold, that can be done for Tracks, to make him just slightly taller. That helps differentiate them more in bot mode, WITHOUT altering their vehicle modes.
I like both Red Alerts, though I only have Siege and G3 versions since I'm STILL waiting for the Walgreens Exclusive version to show up in stores here... The drawback of the older G3 version, is the lack of a black panel to close up the lower legs for a more G1 look in bot mode. I THINK I got the Beezleboss(?) Upgrades for him and Sideswipe, so I opted for the red head sculpt.
For the Siege Red Alert (AND Sideswipe, etc., etc., etc.,...) I got the weapons and especially the spoiler kits to upgrade, and man, are they sweet additions to those Lambos!
Kup... Well, let's face it, even as a kid, I hated that dumb@$$ spacewedge truck mode... Looks more like the sled that launches out from the GI Joe Killer Whale vehicle, than any kind of useful looking vehicle...😅😅😅
So, giving the older G3 an Earthmode vehicle, that looked like a classic pick-up truck was just great... I imagined it as his choice of vehicles to stay on earth after the cartoons ended, to keep an eye on things, and sort of retired, but practicing long range shooting instead of closer combat, with that new sniper rifle...
The new version... BETTER than G1, but STILL a sucktacular vehicle design, BUT ALSO accurate to source material, WHICH IS the point, as are the removable limbs from the movie scene. I'm NOT SURE, but I might like the TR Kup better except for the headmaster bit... Everybody complains about the new Kup, but he's not really THAT bad. All-around I do like the modern Kup, AND he fills that movie slot nicely... Especially fighting off the 40 Sharkticons I have to swarm him and Grimlock & company...!
I think the Earthmode truck gives THAT figure the edge though.
I own the transformers universe Red Alert and it’s unfortunately the worst figure I own.
The feet are loose, the back won’t stay on, the wrists are loose, the arms are EXTREMELY loose and don’t stay in one spot and the head is loose.
So unfortunate
I like the new generations better but i like the old generations Cup
i definitely strongly disagree ,i prefer the new one way more because i would prefer getting something that is based on something that i like and look like it( my instance being g1) without having to spend 100+ dollars for one figure
"sigh" People hating on the old toys have no respect for the classics 🙄
@@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 it's not disrespect it just facts that the new one looks better and more faithful to their original source material
@@quickshot112 So? I never gave a single F about the source material when I bought the old Transforms toys like the 2007 movie ones because I think that "accuracy" is overrated.
@@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 well to me buying things that I have zero attachment to is completely useless cuz it has zero value to me as a display piece or to play with
@@quickshot112 You know what? forget it, nevermind. I'm giving up, I mean if minorities of G1 wanted me to hate the Transformers shows I grew up with like Beast Wars and Armada since I liked their the toylines? that's fine by me, since everyone's just happy G1's back from the dead with new toys while I'm the only one that being a downer because missed those cartoons from the 2000's and 90's :/
I really wish Earthrise/Kingdom Wheeljack had just found a way to make the windshield a solid piece instead of having the front end split and fold into the legs. Being clear plastic rings clipped over a thick mushroom peg, they have a tendency to break over time. Even if they'd just redesigned the peg to be smaller and the rings made of thicker plastic, it would be less prone to breakage, but the whole system makes the bottom of his chest inaccurate while also putting weird gaps on his shins.
PAIN.
And Siege and Kingdom Mirage both beat the snot out of Classic Mirage, whose miniscule waist joint and hips have a tendency to go floppy very quickly. Never mind that they both just look so much better as F1 cars. They really didn't need to remold Siege Mirage for Kingdom anyway, they could have just recolored the clear plastic solid and it would have been nearly perfect. I don't know why they changed it so much, especially getting rid of the shoulder port.
Transformers cybertron
Hidden or not, I think kingdom Huffer’s weapon storage is brilliant.
Agreed
Agreed best weapon storage ever
And Cyberverse Adventures Deluxe Bumblebee , also earthrise Sunstreaker
And besides
His weapon looks like the Spartan laser from Halo
I also prefer fresh takes, but isn't this also the first time they've made highly accurate g1 figures in the mainline? I could be wrong, but I think every other time has been an homage rather than an actual attempt to recreate what we see onscreen with modern tech. I say let them have it, I'll be happy as long as I get some interesting figures.
My favorite era is probably rotf / hftd too. I feel like they really hit their stride with movie toys or (even better) movie-like toys. Original designs that were not limited by a model made for the screen, yet still had the engineering and aesthetic.
Question is, couldn't other fans just think about something else instead of just G1?? I mean the Alternators series were my favorite toy series in the 2000's because of the realism their car modes looked like.
@@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 K.
@@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002
No, not really... Before you continue whining about G1, consider the fact that WITHOUT G1, there'd be NO G2, NO BW/BM, NO RiD, NO Unicron Trilogy, NO Bayformery movie $#!t, NO Animated, NO Prime, No Cyberverse, NO Rescue Bots, NO NOTHING... JUST Gobots probably...
So go ahead and do your whining & complaining about G1, but while you do that, JUST remember that if the rest of US G1 fans weren't buying and demanding the bulk of the TF stuff Hasbro produces... YOU and others LIKE YOU, couldn't get ANY of the figures from series' YOU prefer, at ALL, because for the most part, there's NOT enough of YOU to support entire lines, WITHOUT US putting OUR money down too...
I'm not a G2 OR a BW/BM fan AT ALL, but I don't go around whining about Hasbro producing THOSE figures for fans of those lines to enjoy, because they took up slots that COULD have been used for a deserving G1 update figure... Do you know WHY?
For ONE, I'm not a selfish whiner, and I actually LIKE it when OTHER people get some figures from lines THEY enjoy. If I don't like them, I don't have to buy them, but I don't whine about them getting something I DON'T care for myself. Also, if it's a cool figure that maybe I wouldn't normally like, I can buy one too, if I want.
Secondly, even if I DON'T LIKE a particular TF line, I STILL respect where it came from (G1) and what it represents, with the potential to be something really good... Even that Bay crap, which I hate watching and 97% of the toys, occasionally has some good stuff.
Basically, it begins AND ends with G1, whether anyone likes it or not. That's just how it is.
Constantly whining around about it doesn't do YOU, or anyone else, any good, BUT IT does annoy people, like that constantly buzzing around in your face little gnat during the summer... JUST saying.
Learn to appreciate, or at least develop some respect for certain things, instead of whining relentlessly about them. You'll be a lot happier in life. ALSO, THIS IS A HOBBY, learn to ENJOY it!!! Don't let it control your life.
For the record, as I mentioned, I'm NOT a G2 OR BW/BM fan, BUT when Hasbro produces a GOOD updated (G3) figure derived from those lines, I buy it. I've bought several of the BW inspired Kingdom figures this past year, ALONG WITH those G1/G1 Movie updated figures, and I look forward to hopefully picking up some 2001 RiD inspired update figures for my collection, as I still have MOST of the figures from that line, but would love G3 versions... Same with G2, Unicron Trilogy, etc.,
Stop whining about things and just ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE... Eventually, they'll produce what you want. 😉😅😅
@@shanehai2699 Ok
@@shanehai2699 he wasn't whining about g1 tho? He was pointing out how most transformers fans only care about g1. Also, just because it's the original and we wouldn't have all the other stuff without it Yada Yada Yada, doesn't mean it's automatically the objective best.
I personally think that we're actually in one of the best moments of transformers right now. The thing that really has made all the WFC trilogy that great to me is the coherence in scale and styling, and the fact that we now have a minimum standard articulation. Of course the plastic is nothing compared to the materials they used to implement in the beginning of the line, but in comparison to what we've gotten in the last 10 years, now the plastic is in an acceptable degree. Another thing that I really consider an improvement is the engineering becoming ultra efficient, making the toys more intuitive while giving space por good articulation. The mayor downside has to be how irregular the QC has gotten, that's the big reason I try to keep me away from Studio series, even I do like the designs, but the geewan stuff and Beastwars too have been so far pretty solid.
Now in terms of design, I do think the re imagining factor was great, but after re-imagining the designs tons of times in every single sub line, having some stuff closer to the source material was good too. Of course I really miss the old quality plastic and the separation of the clear to the solid plastic, but I do believe that the more clever engineering going on right now really makes up for the lacking points.
Now I'm really concerned about the pricing, but is more because how stupidly expensive the dollar in my county has been in the last years goddamnit
Okay, THANK YOU.
I’ve recently been looking to pad out my G1 ‘modern’ collection. Up until now I’d really only stuck to heavy IDW-centric stuff. (Gen Magnus, Springer, Skids, that sorta stuff!)
But now I wanted to get the full cast. Wheeljack, Sideswipe, Tracks, .. and in choosing… I went with the ‘CHUG’ era ones. Like when looking to get a new Wheeljack (which just arrived today) I went with the Generations one. Someone asked me ‘why not just get the newest ones?’ And I couldn’t quite explain why I didn’t really love the look n feel of the new ones, but you hit the nail on the head. It’s about the quality, the heft, the feel. And in large part still also it’s simply because of aesthetic. The ‘older’ CHUC stuff just had more visually interesting designs and most importantly it had the most fun transformations. New ones feel too simplified. They’re effective, that’s for sure. But I love the creativity of the old ones, that would impact the robot mode more substantially.
I actually very much agree with most of what you said. Yea “G1 accurate” is nice but I really like the new takes on characters which we don’t see that often.
Animated is definitely my favorite line. The figures are simple to transform, but they use that to great effect. The figures all try to do something unique.
Plus they look like they came out of the TV especially jazz and bulkhead there awesome
I'm definitely biased towards the newer ones because G1 was my childhood, and I was out of collecting from 2008 to 2018.
To me, the current toys look like robots, but some of the older ones look like humans with armor pasted on. Red Alert really feels this way.
I think the older Wheeljack's chest goes down too far. It looked like he's wearing a bib of some kind.
That being said, I see Generations Sargent Kup is available for less than $20 USD on eBay, so I might give him a try. He's the one I like the best of the three you spotlighted.
I ended up replacing my Earthrise Wheeljack with the Kingdom one because the paint chipping was so bad, the silver for his mask was almost gone after a few months or maybe a year.
My favorite line will always be cybertron. Because of nostalgia but I still play with my old cybertron toys and they hold up so well over a decade later. Also the designs are so kino and iconic.
Well old figures have no exact source material to be inspired by. Hence the designers have more freedom to engineer however they want the figure. While the g1 figures need to accomplish both an accurate robot mode and vehicle mode. And now old figures cost like crazy and I don't really like the articulation and design choices. Thus I prefer new ones better
My favorite lines will always be the 1/24th scale with seats/cockpits that can fit figures, so Human Alliance and Alternators. A lot of Transformers media have been about the interaction of Humans and Transformers so having those reflected in the toys will always fascinate me.
Thanks for remaining me why I passed on SS86 Kup, opting to keep my Gen. Sargent Kup (with the cygar head). Yeah some of the older figures could actual hold their weapons with 2 hands. Speaking of Optimus, I do like the Earthrise one, he's amazing but every now and then I have to mess with the old classics Prime. That thing feels like a WEAPON compared to the new ones.
I'd love for this to be a ongoing series. I love when people compare the old stuff to the new stuff.
No thing can stop or beat the art of the nostalgia lmao
Its all good until your united wheeljacks feet crumble to pieces around the balljoint meaning no fixing whatsoever, give me earthrise anyday, my classics red alerts feet have trouble supporting him and weird knee pads dont look right so kingdom all the way. SS kup can go take a leap straight into the bin though, ive got (imo) the best version of him with the takara repaint titans return version.
If you want G1 accuracy then buy the masterpiece figures (though by all means, stay away from the Arcee figure). Granted they're very expensive and a lot of them are completely sold out, though if you can get your hands on some of them for a reasonable price, then go right ahead and get what you want.
Not sure this video was at all necessary. The new toys are objectively more show accurate and toon accurate, and many would argue (including myself) that we’re currently in the golden age of TF generations toys. But none of that matters because you very rarely look at these things with a proper eye because you’re so obsessed with the older toys. Which is totally fine, to each their own, but it doesn’t make for a good video concept when everyone following your channel knows no matter what you’ll choose old toys. Anyways, good luck moving forward.
Who cares? It's the fans' own fault for being obsessed with G1 since that's all they ever care about.
@@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 what? 😂😂😂
@@papermelon It's their fault because they never allow me to enjoy the other Transformers cartoons I grew up with like Beast Wars, Unicron Trilogy,RID 2001, Animated, and Prime just because they're not like their precious favorite G1 cartoon.
I was born in 2000, with my first Transformers exposure being through the films/animated. The newer toylines feel so much more cookie cutter than the older stuff. Plastic quality and size of the older guys is unmatched by today's "standards."
ROTF/HFTD is the pinnacle of Transformers toy design imo (also have a soft spot for DOTM, despite mechtech). HFTD Terradive is a masterwork of Transformers toy design that has yet to be topped.
My favorite transformers toyline of 2000's is animated, I missed those days of transformers toys...
I think overall its very dependant on the figure. Both lines have big ups and downs. I think the newer lines have definitely made their quality and standards in terms of transformation and articulation more consistent, but that means you get less stand out figures. The older lines to me, were a bit all over the place. You'd get some incredible figures, but others were just ok. Some of the newer stuff just feels like a mini masterpiece though. Earthrise prime and kingdom cyclonus are incredible, with kingdom rodimus being arguably better than the masterpiece.
The best part about the older transformers is that they have plastic molded in color while the new ones have painted plastic which chips off over time
SS86/Buzworthy KUP Was
SUPPOSED TO HAVE His
Ams & Legs EASILY Detach,
As It Was For 86-Film Fans
To Recreate The Scene Where
The Sharkticons Dismantled Him!
You'd MOST LIKELY Ridiclue The
Waist & Legs Of Classics Mirage!
I like the Trilogy figures better, especially Earthrise and Kingdom, because they bring back the nostalgia from both the toys and the cartoon and many cases. I own the 3 old generations Lamborghinis (alert/swipe/streaker) and I don't really care for the robot mode. The old generations Kup truck is pretty sweet, but G1 Kup was one of my first three Transformers, (still own him) so yea... nostalgia again?
I recently started collecting again almost solely due to the Trilogy line of toys. More attainable, afforable and G1 toy/cartoon accurate.
Thanks for the videos!
I respect your opinion but don't share it. Generations Wheeljack/Turbo Tracks looks like a lower price point Bayformer. Like Leadfoot or Topspin Wreckers he has a potbelly and spindly legs. Vehicle mode has lots of style but not enough to make up for the robot. Old Red Alert looks like a G1 repaint on Unicron Trilogy. Ot a bad thing, but paint him blue and watch him pop.i do agree with you on Kup. The old Generations mold is a vast improvement. He looks like a pick up and he looks like a grizzled vet who has a war story for every occasion. I'd go: Earthrise Wheeljack, Kingdom Red Alert for G1 and old Red Alert for Unicron Trilogy, and Generations/Thrilling 30 for Kup.
I like SS86 Kup, but his head is weird, and the QC seems to vary wildly, Generations is very panelled and has a backpack, though I love the headsculpt. Kingdom Red Alert is far superior to the old one, the legs are ugly, the head is messy, and the Kingdom one is just better overall imo. ER Wheeljack is pretty good, a bit stumpy, but not too bad, the offwhite just looks disgusting though. Hope he gets either a premium finish or gen selects repaint. The old one is odd, but in a charming way.
My favorite TRANSFORMERS toy lines are The Unicron Trilogy, The first five movies, Beast Wars, Seige and Kingdom.
What you WANT is Titans Return Kup. Hands down the best Kup. It's awesome. Although I do prefer the Hasbro one over the Takara, but both are better than these two Kups.
I think it all really depends on one’s priorities. I used to be the guy who would have gotten all 3 Kups. Nowadays I’d probably only get one, maybe two considering the uniqueness of the 2012 version. Though I’d probably go with the Titans Return Kup as opposed to the Studio Series, G1 accurate enough for my taste while still being a well built figure!
Typically, my first priority is a functional and good looking robot mode, what that look is doesn’t matter. What does matter is how that figure looks among other figures (ex: Cliffjumper has to be the same height as Bumblebee; the Seekers all need to be the same mold; etc). Matching aesthetic is also important to me. Not to say that a Cybertron mold doesn’t have a place on my Generations shelf, but sitting Botcon Scourge next to Kingdom Cyclonus doesn’t look right to me. So a lot of times I get a lot of newer figures because of their more unified aesthetic.
I love the hftd, dotm, prime first edition and rid toy lines mainly because those were the ones Out when I first really got into transformer
In terms of new figures weapon storage, siege hound has a great way of doing it. The rifle plugging in underneath, the should cannon becoming a type of exhaust and the ammo clip becoming a sort of thing on the back. 9/10 for me
Hound was my first transformer to WFC and man I remember how much of a kid I was playing with it. I haven’t felt that way since Armada.
lol I grew up with the Unicron trilogy but have loved every generation of toys tbh. I liked the old universe line, the movie lines, the new ones too. maybe some people just need to stop complaining
I've been collecting CHUG since 2006 with Classics Op/Megatron. I have the Sergeant Kup and Unitied Wheeljack in this video. I agree with you on Kup. I was tempted in getting the SS86 one,but I felt the headsculpt was bad and the arms look too emaciated. 2011 Kup looks old and grizzled in a good way imo. However some older figures were duds like Universe Galvatron. Kingdom Galvatron is probably the finest CHUG iteration of him. I do like them experimenting with alt modes sometimes like Universr Onslaught and his swat form. Siege Ironhide is significantly better than Universe Ironhide imo. I'm just rambling but this was a good idea for a video.
The problem with SS86 Kup head is the angled chin they added, making the face longer and giving him a comical frown. I shaved some of the chin off and he looks way better or mine now, with a shorter face giving him a sterner look.
After looking at ss86 kup and blurr, I honestly want to buy the titans return version or the classics version
In case of VS comparison, I mostly agree in case of the "whitch one is better". The only one I truerly dissagree is in case of the look's for Old Generation Wheeljack. Where ER/KINGDOME one look's better.
Meh, oh well.
Guess I'll just stick to the Alternators then since I don't usally understand the hate the old toys get these days :/
I won't buy the newer toys. When I noticed the quality of the plastic getting worse and the prices going up I just stopped buying. And now they have no appeal for me. If I really need a G1 accurate figure I will look to the Masterpiece line. Then realize I don't really want to pay $90+ for any of these figures anymore and move on.
You can find them cheaper afterwards at ollies, ross, marshalls tjmaxx, burlington.
Im still upset we never got Orion Pax retooled into Kup. I think that would have been a great figure.