PRS EC Tuner Brake Worth The Money?
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- In this video we test the EC Tuner Brake on 2 different rifles with different barrel contours to determine real-world effects on accuracy. We mounted an EP-5 on the Howa 6mm GT from our teaser video. Thanks for all the participation in the comments from the previous video.
Just ran across this and well....not very impressed.... with your testing of this product. By going from 0 to 1/4 to 1/2 to 3/4 to 0, you probably skipped over quite a few nodes. If you were to change seating depth by .01" instead of .002", the same kind of results would show up. Just what do you think the numbers on the scale were for? Oh, and you did not go back to zero as the weight keeps moving so you actually were at 10. So, you were not going to give it chance from the start so maybe you have a beef with EC??. You seemed so surprised to see the big harmonics shift when you put it on the first rifle. What do you think was going to happen? Even the shift on the next rifle going from your brake to the EC brake, was a change in harmonics as the weight distribution of the two brakes are completely different. I guess you did not review the instructions and even videos of others people testing. I know from my experience on my 300 WSM with a factory load Norma Bondstrike 180gr the group went from 1" to under 1/2". To be clear, I am not disparaging your shooting or reloading capabilities, but just the review of the tuner/brake. As far as the EP5, it is fine for me.
Agreed - try doing the way you're supposed to, not turning it a quarter turn at a time. BTW, shrunk my groups from 3/4 to 1/4. It works great for me. - John
You need to go up one by one on the scale, as others have said your bypassing the nodes. I used mine on my 308 for the first time last weekend and it improved my load from .75” to a .335” group (that’s a 5 shot group btw) by only moving the dial from zero to 2. When I went to 3 the group started opening up again. I shot several groups and it was consistently excellent at 2 for my rifle.
Spot on brother. These guys obviously had no intention of giving the tuner a proper test.
Yup! ONE,, CLICK, AT, A, TIME, with the tuner brake. They skipped over 2/3 of the porential the settings.
The tuner is going to change poi as it weighs different than the other setup. I have two. It’s a tool to go along with your other processes. Turning the brake only 1 complete turn may not give optimal results. This review doesn’t give an accurate overview of the EC product. You can’t get an accurate read on a load by only adjusting powder charge by 2gr sometimes. That brake is the same way. I personally used it to take a 1.5moa gun to a 1/4moa gun so it works. You may have to tinker as with any new component is all I’m saying. My 2c if it’s worth anything
I don't have one but EC himself says to adjust 2 clicks per group. He also says to keep going past 10 clicks for as long as it takes. These rifles really don't need the tuner but it would make sense for a 1+ MOA factory rifle.
I ran mine with 6.5 cm aguila 140bthp, just as a test, and it DID tighten up the groups, I have only shot 5 settings thus far. I shot them in 2 click increments, saw it get better, still not done desting it with the same ammo. My testing shows improvements. Your mileage may vary.
One of the main benefits of the EC tuner is for competition shooters that travel. your environmentals change, so therefore, you have an ability to tune where you’re at when you cannot tune your load being preloaded and or for winter summer shoots as well when temp fluctuates 50deg. There is a reason you see them at a lot of matches .
Thank you for telling the truth about the arken, i am so tired of all these folks saying that arken is the best thing since sliced bread, when you can’t spot your impacts with it. A scope is a lot more than loud turrets.
You still have to load develop which includes seating depth...even with a tuner. Factory ammo gets you 1/2" groups or better with a tuner, handloading gets you 1/4" or better with a tuner.
that has only been my experience with lighter weight barrels.. Thanks for the comment!
I just recently came across your channel when doing research on carbon rings. Love your work so far, definitely going to watch more of it. One gun channel to another, solid sub from me.
Thanks man. Thank you for watching
Hi Mike! nice video, you should try the 6.5 without the muzzle break ! i think it would group way better
I have shot it without the break and with a break and with a suppressor.. All are usually 1/2 or under with hand loads and that's all I am looking for out of my plate banger.. lol.. Those flyers are because I only hand tightened that Big Break.. PRS is all about recoil midagation. This is also the barreled action I plan on using for NRL hunter. In NRL your gun has to be within a certain weight and also meet a power factor. weight of bullet times speed must be over 38,000.
so, 6.5 is a very logical choice. Thanks for watching!
Hi Mike. Good video, the results surprised me. I didn't think that load was that good. Lol. Now I just need to get a good one for my GT. I had issues with the firing pin/ spring. Got new ones today.
I hope you are at the next match!
Hi Mike just came across the channel I’d do some more research and retest The test you did was unorthodox lots of info out there your supposed to go buy tge numbers and work your way out not just crank it in turns. Yours skipping over nodes ect
The test may have seemed unorthodox, But it was tested as advertised. (take a good load and make it better)..... have came to the conclusion that load development HAS to be done with the tuner installed.
After you find a good load with the tuner then you can move your groups around for sure!
By twisting it to a different number and it may move your group but it does not make a top shelf rifle a better one!
I have tried several ways to talk myself into using it.... to me it is just another variable that I do not need. I have been seeing guys on the shooting line turn their tuners and the scores do not get better>>> LOL.. this has been my experience.
to me: Nothing beats a good hand loading process. Tune your load (by hand loading) for the barrel and you are off to the races!! I have since sold that tuner and I do not plan on getting another. I still place higher than the guys using them and until they beat me I will stick to what I know and save ammo on the way.. lol... Have a good one..
GREAT VIDEO MIKE... !!!!! BREAK OR TUNER ...? ? ? MY 300 WEATHERBY ..? ? FIRST SHOT POPPED MY NECK ... !!!!!! AFTER MUZZLE BRAKE... MAYBE A 30-06 ... LOVE THAT GUN ... !!!!!!! LIKE ALWAYS...!!!! LOVE THIS VIDEO .... !!!! YOU CAN TELL BY THE CAPS ... DOUBLE G. ...!!!
Thanks man.. Hope all is well!!!!
BREAK... then find a load. A tuner will not fix a bad load or improve a good load.
Kencarpenter said it all !
I think most people who claim their cheap scope is as good as a tier1 scope really haven't looked thru good glass. I understand muzzle whip and how a tuner can adjust for harmonics in the barrel as a bullet is fired, honestly though, I still scratch my head though on how well they perform, thanks for the video Mike, well done sir
Very true sir.. Thank you
Not a great comparison !!! Doing quarter turns is waaaay too big, you could quite easily be jumping over nodes !!! You doing this is like developing a load and jumping full grains of powder, then saying ooooohhhhh that powder is crap !!
Also is the idea of this more so for a crutch for factory ammo and essentially tuning the gun to the ammo? You have essentially tuned the ammo to the gun, then changed the gun so it would make sense that it would have been more ideal being setup the same way the load was developed. Would be interesting to see the same test done with factory loads.
I agree but that is not how it is marketed.
I also watched another test and they were making minute adjustments and seeing changes. I wonder if it's possible that the adjustments were too coarse and you were missing the ideal spot.
@@black_sheep_fab9411 it is more about barrel stiffness from what I can see. A full bull 1.25 is not going to show tune like a .98 or smaller!! this is what I am seeing!!
I love coming here because I know the information is straight. I have two 6.5 creeds and they are both under . 300" off of my loads. And they both got there by me keeping it as simple as possible. To me, simple = consistent. To me, this device is a variable variable, if that makes any sense. Thank you for the straight test.
Thanks man.... I am glad to hear that!! too many people just blindly buy products thinking that this is the next BEST thing... LOL.... I wish I could find a way to short cut good old fashion load workups.. but the truth is that there is NO substitute for it!! Thanks for watching!!
do a seating depth first , then a load development and then your tuner adjustment.
when adjusting your tuner start at 0 and move the tuner 1/15th forward and shoot 5 shot groups.
tuners sit in two places on the barrels. on the end or over the barrel and the only difference is the amount of the revolutions.
try Harrels tuner/brakes :) look much nicer on barrels !
you do not need a tuner if you are good at handloading. Nothing can replace good handloads. Thanks.
@@pantherhollow5290 good handloads for sure but a tuner/brake can help but it doesn't reduce say 1.5" groups down to .75" groups like some people want. With my factory Rem. 700 223 20" barrel best groups @ 100 yds. have been reduced from 5/8ths" down to 3/8ths".
I installed Harrells tuner/brakes as I prefer the look but all tuners will work. Adjustments on my Harrells are full rotation as the tuner sits back on the barrel not on the front and using 16 full rotations I can get 3 decent nodes shooting 3/8ths" with my 223 handloads @ 25.2gr. CFE223 , 69gr Sierra Match HPBT bullets and Rem. cases.
@@DLN-ix6vf Nice!! I am glad you are liking them. I shoot a lot of F-Class and I do not see any advantage in using one. Most of our guys have quite using them as it is just another variable to keep track of. As the weather and the seasons change so does your tune.. The tuner is only good for the condition the rifle was tuned in.. Double check your groups at 300 yards on the same setting in different conditions. you will see the changes. promise!!
@@pantherhollow5290 yes I have done it for all four seasons and find my tuner/brake goes from 2 to #4 settings but in the spring and fall it's generally on #3. Must be humidity & air pressure.
This is an issue and takes a lot of initial ammo and time to find this out. Good thing I reload :)
I have sent 3 Harrells tuner/brakes to "Trigger Precession Machine" Shawn Boggeman to test them on his 6mm precision rifle he competes with , another for a Rem. factory 223 rifle like mine and one for his Voddo 22lr. Personally I believe these tuner/brakes really shine when installed on a decent factory barrel , precision barrels I don't know. This will take him awhile so vids. most likely not available until mid. to late summer but watch for him and maybe comment on what you see.
I'm from Canada and am new to shooting but find things like this very interesting.
@@pantherhollow5290 I talked to another shooter at our range with a 223 but he had a very heavy barrel ( 1.25 ) and he said he tried a tuner and didn't see much of a change in group size @ 100 yds. My factory Rem. 700 barrel ( .860) sowed a remarkable difference from 5/8" down to 3/8" @ 100 yds.
At 100 yds. it just could be heavier barrels don't need a tuner but moderate heavy barrels do as I proved that especially factory barrels vs. precision barrels. It also improves my groups @ 200 yds. but beyond that I don't know because we are limited at our range.
I do see changes do to weather but I've always wondered if it was due to temp. as it gets cold in Canada or is it something else. In the winter I can shoot easily 30 shots before the barrel heats up staying cooler longer and at best half that in the summer. Not sure then if it's heat , humidity or barometric pressure. What's left :)
All in all tuners really shine with factory light/heavy barrels for sure.
Love your channel brother
Thanks man!! Thank you for watching..
If you intentionally use any product incorrectly then of course its not going to work. Its not the tuner that's the problem it's the user.
LOL!!! if you like it use it!! I do not need it!! It does not help out my shooting at ALL... 😆😆😆😆
@pantherhollow5290 , you didn't follow the directions on how to use it properly. If course it didn't help.
I took the EC Tuner Brake off of my gun because the tension screws would not hold the setting and kept moving. I don't think it improved groups much. But to be honest I got tired of screwing with it and a little more time may have helped. So for me it was just adding something that could go wrong.
I agree buddy, Nothing beats good old fashioned load development. It will not improve an already good load for sure. Thanks for watching man. have a good weekend..
Iv never wanted a tuner. Handloading is the way to go
Agreed!!
Not being unreal just trying to state what I have learned about the ec tuner you are doing everything wrong according to how Erik says set it up. If you do like he says it will shrink your groups as I have put them on cheap hunting rifles and brought them down from 1 moa and larger down to 1/2 to 1/4 moa. My son in law just shot a .1 group with a cva cascade which is not the norm it usually shoots .4 but without tuner it's over 1 moa.
It works well for hunting guns... not so much for PRS heavy barrel guns. Thanks..
TREX did an exhaustive review with testing equipment, clarity IMO is dependent on the shooter. My guess it's prob due to handling of light
Does the EC tuner only turn out 1 turn? With a rifle shooting as good as your 2 no need for a turner. What reticle are you using in your NF?
Does the EC tuner only turn out 1 turn? No, you can turn it several times in full rotations.
With a rifle shooting as good as your 2 no need for a turner.
This was just a test to prove a point.
radical
Just wondering why you did not follow the procedure given by the EC web site
Why didn’t you actually go through the whole tuning process to actually do it justice and show how it actually works?
Flawed test. You’re not supposed to adjust in quarter and half turns.
you have no idea!! the test is the test nothing hidden. The thing works as stated as long as you reload with it on your barrel!!
Tuners change poi. The EC Tuner Brake has more than 4 settings.
lol... i am still experimenting.
like your dog
LOL thanks... He likes people and not other dogs.. lol
2 questions. For the Load that was "worked up by the old owner," did you Chrono the load to verify low SD ES. 2ND question, did you tighten down the jam nut on EC Tuner or just screw it on there?
Yes, the load work was checked and verified.
My question to you is how mush SD or ES makes a difference at 100 yards in group size?
The EC tuner was installed properly, YOU cannot show installs on UA-cam or your channel will get a strike!! We did it all correctly.. Thank you for watching..
@@pantherhollow5290 jeez Mike I was just asking a question. Well two. But dang man. Drink a Sunkist. I wasn't knocking your system. You even noted that when your original brake on your 280 ai was loose that your group opened up. That's what made me curious. Thanks for the video.
@@jdrollason
lol I was just responding to your question.. I guess I was to direct.. sorry man... All these new rules on YT are very frustrating for guys like me trying to put out good content!! I was just wondering about SD and ES at 100 yards.. I have seen SDs not ESs of 50 and over still shoot sub inch groups.. Factory ammo will produce those results and give the user a false hope when it comes to long range hunting.
@@pantherhollow5290 nah you're good beither. Because it is what I have, I use 100 yards to get my velocities and of course groups to give me hope.
In a 6.5 creed my load with 140gr HPBT they are single digits on both extremes. I then group and tune with that tuner at 200. Best I've ever shot was 3/8 at 200.
It could just be that I found the rifles sweet spot and the tuner gives me false hope but I haven't touched that setting in 2 years and I still get 3/8" or better when I do my part on the regular.
The variable could be that I worked up a load with the brake and that's why it shoots so well but who really knows. I really like the brake and haven't tried anything else.
@@jdrollason also the break that loosed up was my fault because I hand tightened it back on my 6.5. (The big Basterd break) This is why the flyers happened on video. This is the problem I noted in the video. My 280AI went well other than the groups did NOT change that much with the tuner. Thanks for watching. and thank you for the comments..
One more baseline after the test would have been interesting.
yea but ammo is high and we shoot a lot of matches.. Sorry
And it really is laughable, people equating a three tier scope 1 tier. You know how many companies would be going out of business if that were really the case? I agree, the EP5 is an excellent! Sub $700 rifle scope. And there is only one exception for me where a 2-tier scope is in the hunt with a 1 tier and that is the toric ELR. I love this scope!
The TRACT line of scopes are GREAT.. I like the Toric ELR... one of my top pics for long range!!
Why skip the 3/4 setting?
I have more than 1 video on this item... It is a variable that I do not need. I have since sold this item and so not plan on using one.
I'm guessing you're the type that doesn't read manuals or follows the Mfr's instruction on HOW to test the break/tuner !! Worked great on my gun AFTER I completed the PROPER procedure that Eric spells out in several videos.. You just wasted a bunch of ammo that proved nothing.. Liked the video format however..
You skipped half the settings and clearly did not follow the instructions.
LOL... I used it on 3 different Rifles. It will not improve a good load!! So what if you use factory ammo in a rifle that shoots well?? A tuner may take you backwards!! How would I know this?? Bottom line.... IF you like it run it!! I do NOT NEED one. My reloading standards are good enough that I can tune my loads without a tuner. Maybe you just need to be a better hand loader!!
@pantherhollow5290 People like you that know just enough about reloading and shooting to give out bad advice. You shouldn't be giving out any reviews.
You replicated Bryan Litz's findings on tuners. Shoot groups with and without the tuner. You'll see the same results. You're not doing anything wrong. Tuners do nothing.
THANK YOU!!!! man..... Findley a guy that is educated!!!!!
Haalarious.
You were already tuned into a load. The tuner is made to improve harmonics with loads that aren't that great. I can't even believe you even comparing glass either. The video was a waste of time and ammo for what the tuner is for. How do you improve on 3 bullets touching.... ?
how do you improve a already good load??? That was the question. 😘😘😘... I do not care if you like the video or not.. Make one yourself and prove me wrong!!
@Panther Hollow They are all over UA-cam, just watch the others. They start with a 1" or so load and tune it down under a half or even less. I think you have a bone to pick.If you have a 1 hole gun, how do you improve it?
@@280Ackley Again!!! I agree with you.. Trust me I have tested the tuner on MORE that one gun and several different barrels. Watch winning the wind and see what he says about tuners!! they are pixy dust!! if you like them then GREAT... I do not need them to place in a match it is just another variable!!
@Panther Hollow I know how it works and I'm not trying to argue. I'm just saying you started at the best and worked backwards. It definitely would save time and powder for the normal guy. Tony Boyer lives down the road from me and I know he just knows his loads. I just think you gave it an unfair review. My .02.
@@280Ackley Believe the target my friend.. I am sure the guy that made it says this all the time!! it is just another variable that I do not need. If you are a good hand loader (like ME) then you do not need a tuner!! Question? Can you tune a bad load?
IT APEARS USELESS TO ME.... NO TUNER 4 ME
that what I am seeing
This panther hollow is a barrel of fun, what a pessimistic know it all. He should start his own manufacturing of optics and gun components.
I am too busy with automation to do that.. LOL.. But if I did, I would not sell stuff that in the long run cost people more money than just doing things the right way to begin with!! You sound like a FANBOY!! and being pessimistic has saved me a lot of cash!! thank you for watching!!
@@pantherhollow5290 I don’t own a damn thing you used. If anyone is a fanboy it’s you, so why promote those products instead bashing on someone else’s.
@@123tl ummmm because people need to know the other side... NO bashing believe the target!! UA-cam is FULL of posers!!! I am not one.. Sorry for the bad news... What happen to telling thing the way they are?
Every product is not the next best thing since sliced bread!! I am a fanboy on some thing for sure... There are some GREAT products out there!!
@@pantherhollow5290 didn’t know world champions and successful businesses were posers , like I said what a pessimistic barrel of fun, some people are just jealous of others success I guess
@@123tl dang that did not last long!! thank you again for the stimulating conversation!! have a good week!!