I can not believe how fast 5 years go by....my own horse is the same age as Chinaco and not near as far along today. Yet these videos are a great reinforcement! Your willingness to lay all this information out to us is a truly magnificent gift. I cant thank you enough for what these tips and methods have done to help me. Love the snaffle you built too. The mule thanks you for it, Im sure of it!
I’ve been a subscriber since 2019 and I always go back to these videos of Chinaco in the beginning and I love to compare this to how he is today. This horse was blessed to have been raised by these two wonderful people!
I want to thanks you so much for telling this story of WHY we do these types of things and how taking the horse's response to pressure off. Amen. Too many hurt people.
What Pat is doing here with this horse, is what I "used" to do. I got away from doing it and forgot how well it worked. It's surprising how easy it is to forget. If you are following Pat's advice, do it EXACTLY the way he lays it out.
I’m so glad to see a video where the horse tries to climb out of the pen. It’s nice to know mine aren’t the only ones who do that! I appreciate the integrity of showing the good the bad and the ugly so to speak.
I'm currently helping to halter break a 4 month old Lusitano with Jake Corwin in Virginia. This Chinaco series is really opening my eyes to how and why they do the things they do. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and always letting us see "behind the curtain".
Fascinating. I really enjoy the psychology of what you do with the horse. It was interesting to see the point when the horse's mind realized the rope wasn't a predator.
I really appreciate watching someone who is committed to taking the 5+ years it takes to train a horse and showing how it's done right. I just hopped over from the video of Chinaco's first ride after wiping my tears. I've never owned a horse to my name, but people who have horses seem to like my influence on their horses when I do get access to them, and invite me back, so I guess I'm not a total failure. I lay credit for that squarely on old school horsemen who didn't screw around and don't care to make the horse look pretty until it's figured a skill out and collects on its own. Sadly, when you get into an area with rich housewives who couldn't get ponies as kids, there's a market for "pretty horses", for those who can afford them but don't actually know what they're doing, so a bunch of "trainers" in my area will quickly "train" a colt or filly up with mechanical aids to be "pretty", and sell them to unsuspecting customers for five figure sums as "show horses". One of the most successful dressage horses in my area is a mule that beats all these pretty horses out of the water because his owner took the many years it took to train him up from a yearling without shortcuts.
I’ve been watching your videos off and on for 2 years now, and the way I understand a horse is more clear than it’s ever been. I worked with a lot of long yearlings and two year olds, and looking back I never understood what the horse was telling me as well as I do now. I would confuse signs of anger frustration and impatience, and then I would become confused. Thanks for the education!
It is really sad that someone disliked this video, Pat, you are truly a master!! Fantastic to see the communication between you and horses. Thank you so much for sharing your wealth of knowledge!
Thank you so much for posting. I very much miss this calibre of horsemanship and am looking forward to watching his development. Best wishes from Israel
A totally different horse this am - only ran a little bit, stood to be roped, front, hind, legs, one leg pulled on with rope, I was up on the fence, she comes in to pick me up pretty good, wasn't sure about herself with a body not her - versus a saddle. Decided it was good to have her face rubbed, and follows with her head down. Your video and times a person has to do an exercise with horse and human - is way more then a person might think! Oh, important to remember to breath - thanks!
That bay at the rail " Dude! Relax! You're making it wayyyyy too hard on yourself. News flash..... the guy in middle of the pen is gonna win." The colt kept going to the bay to relieve his anxiety. Was glad to see Pat put himself between the two. The bay walks away " You got this Pat? Okay, good, cuz I am bored with this ninny already."
Very interesting to see how this colt's attitude changed, and when Pat decided to move on. Good commentary from Deb as well - well explained:) Thank you:)
Super video Pat and Deb love the narrating great job!! The rawness of this is very useful as it shows the reality not the usual sugar coated possibilities. I thank you for sharing you stuff with all of us as it helps to empower us as students!! Also giving awareness with a visual concept on specifics of the releases!
I 'm not sure as to why I went looking for this video - where a young horse is just being started - however, it did fill in another puzzle piece for me(which I likely understood to some degree but just couldn't put it together. i've been working with a 6 year old mare - and I have had arguments with myself between working the horses at liberty - (to find confidence in themselves versus on a line), I've worked with her both ways. Put her in the RP this am - turned her loose, she went back and forth(I would only let her run so much) once she got past herself(Stopped running), I was able to rope her easily- as she has been roped before too. She told me also she didn't like having her head handled(She has told me this lots of times). The funny part - was if I stood on her right side - she turned her head to the left - like it has often been said - sometimes it is necessary to do something at least a 1000 times - the good part is with patience and being persistent the training does come together. She does lots of things well - just pieces of the puzzle are missing - to find them:) thanks - another part of the 700 piece puzzle!
Hi! I really enjoy watching your videos/training sessions! I board at the Hawzen’s in NJ and Gary has been helping me tremendously- and refers to Pat often! It is so amazing to actually get to see his work now with your vlogs! Thanks for posting !🤠🐴
Lusitanos are super smart. He's handsome, that long face they have. I prefer them to pura raza espanol.Yes, so interesting , and i liked all the commentary i was chatting away to you.. agreeing... colt pawing can also symbolize time to move on.
It's 8/9/20 and I've just been watching Pat work Chinaco from the gate of his pickup. Such a calm lovely horse. It's fascinating to see where he started from. Question for Pat: I've always heard -- incl from you -- that not just any horse can be a spade bit horse. I'm wondering how you decide, at this young age, before he's even cut, that this colt will be able to do it. What is it about him that tells you he's going to be worth the effort? Do you just go with your gut and then if, at some point, you feel he's not going to make it, you cut your losses and start with another horse? Or has that ever happened?
In the case of Chinaco, it’s the genetics. Pat started Chinaco’s sire as a 7 year old. In less than 2 hours, he was riding outside. Chinaco’s dam is our gray mare Lola who is an excellent ranch horse. So that takes care of the disposition. As far as conformation goes, he was born uphill and in collection so he is physically able to carry a spade bit.
Thank you so much for you experiences and teaching I have a question . would you do this exercise with a 2 yr old stud colt that is very difficult to even touch. this colt has spent his first 2 years on a reservation plot and has not had much human contact. I would very much treasure your thoughts on the subject.
Deb or Pat , How do I get my colt started correctly about lifting his feet for shoes ? Im lifting them alot and releasing pressure when he relaxes? But he still seems to push or lean on me? Thank-you leesa middleton , Knapp Oregon
I’m not sure what you mean by “the join up and follow through process.” From your previous comments on this and other videos, I feel like you really just want to talk about the superiority of your methods over ours. I may be wrong. Please clarify your question...
@@PatnDebPuckett I am always looking for ways to do things better for the horses. I have picked up many very important points from you and Pat. The join up and follow through process I mentioned is shown very well in a Monty Roberts video. Pat's process works very well and he is quite good in using pressure and release with appropriate timing, rhythm, and feel. I was pleased to see this other way of doing it, and I learned a lot from it.
Gerry Coleman I’ve never watched a Monty Roberts video but did see him live in Georgia when we did a roping demonstration. It seemed like he was only interested in selling his latest gadget. We call what you’re talking about “hooking on.” Did you watch Part 2 of this video?
If Pat pressured him too much, he would have tried to jump out but he didn’t so Chinaco was just fine. If you’ll watch the rest of the video and then watch Part 2, you’ll see what happens. It’s important, when working with young horses, that you create situations where they are exposed to pressure and understand how to handle it. Someday those lessons could mean the difference between life and death.
Great and intriguing method. What about those of us that are not as proficient with the rope?. I might catch him after bouncing it off his head a few times. That mite be counter- productive? I'm pretty efficient with the tail end:)
Well that’s a tough question. You could get a short rope and physically put it on the feet. But for waspier colts that can be tricky ! The bottom line is this is one way to start a colt that works for us. You have to find a way that works for you. If you really like this method, another alternative is to get good with a rope 😉
A bridle horse is the ultimate ranch horse. They are ridden in a spade bit. The process takes many years to perfect. They are started at 2-3 years old in the bosal. Then after years of teaching the horse to respond to the rider’s body, the horse is finally ridden straight up in the bridle. The horse is ridden in collection at times when precise athletic movements are needed. When just covering country to get somewhere, they are ridden on a loose rein. The goal is self carriage where the horse carries himself in collection with slack in the rein and is ridden 99% off of subtle signals from the rider’s seat, legs, gaze, etc.
We don’t start them for you any more. But if we’re in your area, Pat can rope your horse and get him ready for you to put the first ride on. In normal years, we do a couple of clinics in California.
We have hundreds of videos and a number of playlists available on our UA-cam channel. Maybe the clarification you seek can be found there: youtube.com/@PatnDebPuckett?si=XK0eu_eU-0-JaepP
Gerry Coleman we do it because we believe it is the highest level of riding in the cowboy world. We start this process with a solid foundation at about a year with the whole process taking another 8 or 9 years. Kind of like teaching children new things when they are very young when their brains are like sponges and they are eager to learn. This foundation serves our horses very well no matter where their lives take them. They understand how to yield to pressure and not to panic in situations where they might get hurt. For example, we’ve had horses that we have roped get tangled in a fence. Rather than fighting and injuring themselves, they stand patiently until someone comes to help them. Please watch Pt 2 and 3 to see the rest of this session, especially the last minute of Pt 3. Thank you for your questions...
@@PatnDebPuckett I have had that experience of a horse caught and patiently waiting for me to come untangle her. That level of trust allows so many great things to be accomplished. Have a good day.
I can not believe how fast 5 years go by....my own horse is the same age as Chinaco and not near as far along today. Yet these videos are a great reinforcement! Your willingness to lay all this information out to us is a truly magnificent gift. I cant thank you enough for what these tips and methods have done to help me. Love the snaffle you built too. The mule thanks you for it, Im sure of it!
I’ve been a subscriber since 2019 and I always go back to these videos of Chinaco in the beginning and I love to compare this to how he is today. This horse was blessed to have been raised by these two wonderful people!
I want to thanks you so much for telling this story of WHY we do these types of things and how taking the horse's response to pressure off. Amen. Too many hurt people.
That dog has some serious OCD, keep watching it going round and round and round in all the videos 😂
What Pat is doing here with this horse, is what I "used" to do. I got away from doing it and forgot how well it worked. It's surprising how easy it is to forget. If you are following Pat's advice, do it EXACTLY the way he lays it out.
This is why I have NEVER wanted anything to do with breaking/training colts or breaking in general.
Im nothing but completely impressed. I grew up learning horses from a wise cowboy. Best learning ever.
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I’m so glad to see a video where the horse tries to climb out of the pen. It’s nice to know mine aren’t the only ones who do that! I appreciate the integrity of showing the good the bad and the ugly so to speak.
I'm currently helping to halter break a 4 month old Lusitano with Jake Corwin in Virginia. This Chinaco series is really opening my eyes to how and why they do the things they do. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and always letting us see "behind the curtain".
Fascinating. I really enjoy the psychology of what you do with the horse. It was interesting to see the point when the horse's mind realized the rope wasn't a predator.
I really appreciate watching someone who is committed to taking the 5+ years it takes to train a horse and showing how it's done right. I just hopped over from the video of Chinaco's first ride after wiping my tears. I've never owned a horse to my name, but people who have horses seem to like my influence on their horses when I do get access to them, and invite me back, so I guess I'm not a total failure. I lay credit for that squarely on old school horsemen who didn't screw around and don't care to make the horse look pretty until it's figured a skill out and collects on its own.
Sadly, when you get into an area with rich housewives who couldn't get ponies as kids, there's a market for "pretty horses", for those who can afford them but don't actually know what they're doing, so a bunch of "trainers" in my area will quickly "train" a colt or filly up with mechanical aids to be "pretty", and sell them to unsuspecting customers for five figure sums as "show horses". One of the most successful dressage horses in my area is a mule that beats all these pretty horses out of the water because his owner took the many years it took to train him up from a yearling without shortcuts.
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I’ve been watching your videos off and on for 2 years now, and the way I understand a horse is more clear than it’s ever been. I worked with a lot of long yearlings and two year olds, and looking back I never understood what the horse was telling me as well as I do now. I would confuse signs of anger frustration and impatience, and then I would become confused. Thanks for the education!
It is really sad that someone disliked this video, Pat, you are truly a master!! Fantastic to see the communication between you and horses. Thank you so much for sharing your wealth of knowledge!
I always enjoyed working with young horses, they are just like raising kids. You teach them though their tantrums.
Thank you guys again for another great video. I enjoy and appreciate everything you guys do.
Thank you so much for posting. I very much miss this calibre of horsemanship and am looking forward to watching his development. Best wishes from Israel
i thought they only eat horses in Israel
A totally different horse this am - only ran a little bit, stood to be roped, front, hind, legs, one leg pulled on with rope, I was up on the fence, she comes in to pick me up pretty good, wasn't sure about herself with a body not her - versus a saddle. Decided it was good to have her face rubbed, and follows with her head down. Your video and times a person has to do an exercise with horse and human - is way more then a person might think! Oh, important to remember to breath - thanks!
That bay at the rail " Dude! Relax! You're making it wayyyyy too hard on yourself. News flash..... the guy in middle of the pen is gonna win." The colt kept going to the bay to relieve his anxiety. Was glad to see Pat put himself between the two. The bay walks away " You got this Pat? Okay, good, cuz I am bored with this ninny already."
Very interesting to see how this colt's attitude changed, and when Pat decided to move on. Good commentary from Deb as well - well explained:) Thank you:)
Super video Pat and Deb love the narrating great job!! The rawness of this is very useful as it shows the reality not the usual sugar coated possibilities. I thank you for sharing you stuff with all of us as it helps to empower us as students!! Also giving awareness with a visual concept on specifics of the releases!
I look forward to the full journey.
I 'm not sure as to why I went looking for this video - where a young horse is just being started - however, it did fill in another puzzle piece for me(which I likely understood to some degree but just couldn't put it together. i've been working with a 6 year old mare - and I have had arguments with myself between working the horses at liberty - (to find confidence in themselves versus on a line), I've worked with her both ways. Put her in the RP this am - turned her loose, she went back and forth(I would only let her run so much) once she got past herself(Stopped running), I was able to rope her easily- as she has been roped before too. She told me also she didn't like having her head handled(She has told me this lots of times). The funny part - was if I stood on her right side - she turned her head to the left - like it has often been said - sometimes it is necessary to do something at least a 1000 times - the good part is with patience and being persistent the training does come together. She does lots of things well - just pieces of the puzzle are missing - to find them:) thanks - another part of the 700 piece puzzle!
Pat is a great teacher
Hi! I really enjoy watching your videos/training sessions! I board at the Hawzen’s in NJ and Gary has been helping me tremendously- and refers to Pat often! It is so amazing to actually get to see his work now with your vlogs! Thanks for posting !🤠🐴
How about a description of when a horse is scared and when he is mad?
Thank you for repeating what Pat said. Sometimes it’s hard to hear him over the wind.
Wish i could be trained by him I grew up with horses and have 3 in training right now and half this stuff I didn't even think about or know about
I’m going back through watching Chinaco again, since you are there maybe not being fear more clear.
came back to see him when he was little...so damn cute. Looks like about an eight on the roping scale???
I enjoy your videos . thank you
Thank you for your comment...
Lusitanos are super smart. He's handsome, that long face they have. I prefer them to pura raza espanol.Yes, so interesting , and i liked all the commentary i was chatting away to you.. agreeing... colt pawing can also symbolize time to move on.
p.s. THAT BACKGROUND! looks like a movie set :)
It's 8/9/20 and I've just been watching Pat work Chinaco from the gate of his pickup. Such a calm lovely horse. It's fascinating to see where he started from. Question for Pat: I've always heard -- incl from you -- that not just any horse can be a spade bit horse. I'm wondering how you decide, at this young age, before he's even cut, that this colt will be able to do it. What is it about him that tells you he's going to be worth the effort? Do you just go with your gut and then if, at some point, you feel he's not going to make it, you cut your losses and start with another horse? Or has that ever happened?
In the case of Chinaco, it’s the genetics. Pat started Chinaco’s sire as a 7 year old. In less than 2 hours, he was riding outside. Chinaco’s dam is our gray mare Lola who is an excellent ranch horse. So that takes care of the disposition. As far as conformation goes, he was born uphill and in collection so he is physically able to carry a spade bit.
WOW< A VERY NICE HORSE!
yep he is aggrevated
Thank you so much for you experiences and teaching I have a question . would you do this exercise with a 2 yr old stud colt that is very difficult to even touch. this colt has spent his first 2 years on a reservation plot and has not had much human contact. I would very much treasure your thoughts on the subject.
Deb or Pat , How do I get my colt started correctly about lifting his feet for shoes ? Im lifting them alot and releasing pressure when he relaxes? But he still seems to push or lean on me? Thank-you leesa middleton , Knapp Oregon
We rope all of our horses’ feet and teach them to yield each one.
Hi Pat and Deb, great video! What was Pat seeing that he decided to switch to roping the colt instead of just using the tail when he did?
When the horse accepts the rope touching him, then I rope him…
@@PatnDebPuckett Thank you!
Pat if you have an opportunity please call Wes Spinks.
Good process. Why did you not go through the join up and follow through process instead. Same results, different processes.
I’m not sure what you mean by “the join up and follow through process.” From your previous comments on this and other videos, I feel like you really just want to talk about the superiority of your methods over ours. I may be wrong. Please clarify your question...
@@PatnDebPuckett I am always looking for ways to do things better for the horses. I have picked up many very important points from you and Pat. The join up and follow through process I mentioned is shown very well in a Monty Roberts video. Pat's process works very well and he is quite good in using pressure and release with appropriate timing, rhythm, and feel. I was pleased to see this other way of doing it, and I learned a lot from it.
Gerry Coleman I’ve never watched a Monty Roberts video but did see him live in Georgia when we did a roping demonstration. It seemed like he was only interested in selling his latest gadget. We call what you’re talking about “hooking on.” Did you watch Part 2 of this video?
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Im only at minute 7:15 but wondering why you aren't concerned that colt will try harder to go over or thru the fence?
If Pat pressured him too much, he would have tried to jump out but he didn’t so Chinaco was just fine. If you’ll watch the rest of the video and then watch Part 2, you’ll see what happens. It’s important, when working with young horses, that you create situations where they are exposed to pressure and understand how to handle it. Someday those lessons could mean the difference between life and death.
Also, is this something you just do once?
Great and intriguing method. What about those of us that are not as proficient with the rope?. I might catch him after bouncing it off his head a few times. That mite be counter- productive?
I'm pretty efficient with the tail end:)
Well that’s a tough question. You could get a short rope and physically put it on the feet. But for waspier colts that can be tricky ! The bottom line is this is one way to start a colt that works for us. You have to find a way that works for you. If you really like this method, another alternative is to get good with a rope 😉
Could this work with an older horse?
Dose bridel horse mean that they collect themselves ?
A bridle horse is the ultimate ranch horse. They are ridden in a spade bit. The process takes many years to perfect. They are started at 2-3 years old in the bosal. Then after years of teaching the horse to respond to the rider’s body, the horse is finally ridden straight up in the bridle. The horse is ridden in collection at times when precise athletic movements are needed. When just covering country to get somewhere, they are ridden on a loose rein. The goal is self carriage where the horse carries himself in collection with slack in the rein and is ridden 99% off of subtle signals from the rider’s seat, legs, gaze, etc.
How much do you charge to get a horse started and help me learn your ways
We don’t start them for you any more. But if we’re in your area, Pat can rope your horse and get him ready for you to put the first ride on. In normal years, we do a couple of clinics in California.
Where u guys at cause that would be greatly appreciated
Thank you for all good information 😊 and call me 😀😀
Is there an age or point when this is not effective with the horse? Working with a 2 year old that is acting entitled.
We rope all of our horses at whatever age they come to us.
Unfortunate that his audio doesn't exist.
C Orr We’re working on getting a wireless mic that works with an iPad. Fingers crossed that the new Rode mic I just received will work!
Having the other horses next to him is why I disagree with these style of round pens.
We prefer to work our horses around distractions from the beginning because that is what they will be faced with in real life.
Its rather difficult for new trainers to understand your application and release of pressure with ought explanation.
We have hundreds of videos and a number of playlists available on our UA-cam channel. Maybe the clarification you seek can be found there: youtube.com/@PatnDebPuckett?si=XK0eu_eU-0-JaepP
I do not know why you would want to make a bridle horse. I do not understand why you are going through the process at such a young age.
Gerry Coleman we do it because we believe it is the highest level of riding in the cowboy world. We start this process with a solid foundation at about a year with the whole process taking another 8 or 9 years. Kind of like teaching children new things when they are very young when their brains are like sponges and they are eager to learn. This foundation serves our horses very well no matter where their lives take them. They understand how to yield to pressure and not to panic in situations where they might get hurt. For example, we’ve had horses that we have roped get tangled in a fence. Rather than fighting and injuring themselves, they stand patiently until someone comes to help them. Please watch Pt 2 and 3 to see the rest of this session, especially the last minute of Pt 3. Thank you for your questions...
@@PatnDebPuckett I have had that experience of a horse caught and patiently waiting for me to come untangle her. That level of trust allows so many great things to be accomplished. Have a good day.