@@funnyberries4017 The three reasons I think of is 1.Canonical forces it on you 2. It's slow when trying to start it up 3. The backend is closed sourced
I just updated to Ubuntu 24.04 LTS from Ubuntu 23.10. It was easy and it took like 30mins. So far everything is working. It was more easy and seamless than last time I upgraded to 23.10.
Hey Tom, More often than not, the calamares bug, in my experience, is caused by the hard drive being mounted somewhere already. Simply unmounting the drive is often sufficient. calamares will not proceed on a mounted drive. Its actually a safety mechanism, not a bug!
No. Best example is Windows performance. Running well on limited resources could be done by limiting the amount of stuff loaded to RAM in a config file. Like, constant. This does not make sense, as an OS should use way more RAM on higher end systems for caching etc. For sure if it is slim it will load fast etc. But especially if it follows old paradigms, supports old hardware, it will not be optimized for moder things. COSMIC-Epoch is a good example for modern and very fast. Not especially low on memory, but apps start nearly instantly.
If you're curious about other window managers LXQt makes it super easy to try them out. Just install them, then switch them in the graphical Settings Manager, do a new login and enjoy! Also QT apps and GTK apps will always look good and you can theme them seperately or you can choose to make them look kind of similar. Also the dedicated LXQt apps come with very little dependencies so you can run them on any system or DE ("desktop agnosticity"). It's not as much as a walled garden like other DEs (I don't know Mint's Cinnamon in that regard but take Gnome or KDE for example). But in the end, use what you like the best!
The ONLY version of the Ubuntu 'family' worth taking serious. Without 'snapd ', it becomes a really nice option, flies on all hardware, old and new. With a few tweaks to sort the overall theming - by installing qt5ct/qt6ct - it aspires to a beautiful lxqt desktop too. Well recommended! B safe...
Good review and install guide. Maybe I a bit behind on Ubuntu but does it still have synaptic? Are the repositories for apt packages any good or are they being neglected in favour of snap based packages?
Canonical pulled multiple programs from the repositories after the Snap became available, including the Firefox browser which I find problematic. It is Canonical's right but I can't recommend the system anymore to users for that reason. For years Ubuntu had some weird script which will make you install the Snap if you use apt install
when i changed my distro to fedora 40 on my external harddrive i had to use external partitition manager to remove it it was still feta release so that could have been the problem but it was the final beta build before release of fedora 40
Did LxQt killed proper scrollbars and substituted them with those disastrous "overlay" scrollbars without "steppers"? You should have opened File Manager on some big directory to check that...
You have an improperly configured bootloader. That's the only thing keeping you from hacking into the main-frame at this point. Dude it's gonna be just like Mr. Robot. So sick.
What's the problem with snapd? Switched from Windows to Kubuntu last weekend and am absolutely fascinated by how well it's working, so I don't get the disdain. Should I car about that? 🤔
From my understanding, snap packages seem to be quite resource inefficient, not 100% original with the app as its modified, on different versions of that app (usually far behind in updates) and has a very corporate approach in licences.
"What's the problem with snapd?" It's unnecessary bloat if you understand Linux well enough. Linux is still designed to run on a large number of different platforms - on the IBM PC alone, it can still run on anything form a 486 CPU upwards. That may not be important for most people with their ultra-modern and fast PCs but slower machines usually don't have enough resources to run additional software layers that provide "ease of use" to inexperienced users, which is ultimately what snapd is - an application to remove the "headaches" of package management for newbies. I myself run Gentoo Linux (which is highly customisable, if you don't know) and I have it running on everything from a few Pentium III Thinkpad laptops, original Raspberry Pi and Pi Zero through to multi-CPU Xeon servers. When I work at the lower end of that range, on Pentium III for example, I have to forget about Rust and any applications that need Rust because Rust has a dependency for an SSE2 CPU instruction flag, which Pentium III (and early Athlon CPUs) don't have. (Yes, I know there are ways around it but on Gentoo it's a cumbersome task to get Rust running on a non-SSE2 CPU and it's not something that I care enough about to want to put in the time and effort to installing Rust on those machines.) But I still manage to build working Linux environments on those machines that are nice to use (Thinkpads of that age have great keyboards!) and because I work at such a "low level", mostly at the CLI, I don't need the same resource-hungry tools that newbies need. That's not a criticism of how you or anyone else uses Linux, it's big enough for everyone to have it their way and you never need to worry about Gentoo in the same way I never need to worry about Ubuntu. But you asked a good question and hopefully I've given you a good answer.
As a format snaps are great. Or, at least, better than flatpaks and traditional package formats. The problem is that canonical has full control over them. The snap store is not open source. And until recently relied on purely on a "web of trust" to keep malware off of it. Until canonical relinquishes its iron grip and stops trying to force snaps on people by making other formats harder to use on ubuntu, snaps will continue to enjoy a bad reputation which the format itself does not deserve.
Been a few cases of malware. Until recently, Canonical did not vet the apps with humans looking at the app itself, just the "developer's reputation". Not always bit reliable.
Even though I'm Dutch I always install the American English version. Easier when I have a problem and search for a solution. The solutions are most of the times in English, that's why. Lubuntu the only snapless Ubuntu, but when you install Firefox manually it installs the snap🤔
Have an software use an partition where you copy the ISO files and after does writeen in boot partition to show the ISO booting ... unhappily about that program I not remember the name ... WinBoot ? WinHDD Boot ? good luck ...
If you select minimal, it is no snap. But the moment you do something like sudo apt-get install firefox in the terminal... guess what it will install???????? So you are going to have to be careful in how you install things...
On low end systems it is pretty important to not duplicate libraries I think. So even though I use flatpak exclusively, on such systems native packages are likely best.
Lubuntu 18.10부터 적용된 LXQT가 너무 촌스럽다. 도대체 Lubuntu 18.04의 감성은 어디갔냐? 그리고 Lubuntu의 목적 자체가 오래된 컴퓨터에 설치하여 컴퓨터를 좀 더 오래 사용하는 것이 목적인데, 18.10부터 무거워져서 오래된 컴퓨터를 기준으로는 무거워서 쓸모도 없어졌다. Lubuntu 개발자들은 초심을 찾기 바란다. 지금 다국어 지원도 개판이다. The reason why I wrote the main point in Korean is that if I write the same expression in English, ‘red UA-cam’ will censor it and delete my comment.
It is awesome that Lubuntu actually does what the users like better, shoutout for that. I still wouldn't feel comfortable recommending it to new Linux-users (who I give advice to at times) just because it uses Ubuntu, I would love to see them move to Debian as the base in which case I would recommend it. Canonical removes packages from the repositories as soon as it is available as a Snap and Canonical has tested that it works with no other issues than starting slower and using more memory (storage). You could solve that by using a Flatpak instead of Canonical but then you still have the downsides of containerization, just less so than for Snap. I don't flame Canonical for trying to reduce their work for maintaining repositories, the company can do what they want. But we have plenty of alternatives which do put as much software in the repositoriesas possible so use one of those unless you don't care about the downsides of Snap and Flatpak, fine by me.
I'm currently on Debian using LXQt desktop and it functions exactly the same (minus the Ubuntu-features like easier implementation of external software-sources and driver installation). I usued Lubuntu in the past and I will try out 24.04 on another partition soon. So there's no problem to swich over to Debian yourself and install LXQt there if you want to.
I moved from Ubuntu to Debian12. Am I an adept linux user? No. Did I install D12 over Ubuntu? Yes. Wifi was fine until I changed location - no network manager. Cleaned the etc/network file or whatever, rebooted.. still no access to network settings. Also lost my ability to connect to internet. Used bluetooth to cellphone for internet, worked on network adapter stuff for a while and gave up. Now installing new Ubuntu. Im old and busy.. no time to troubleshoot - just want something that works for me and my wife without spying on me all the time (as it seems apple and msoft are now really ramping up in that area). I know network adapter drivers are proprietary which I blame as the hitch in my experiment (alongside my general low linux capabilities) but perhaps this comment might help some of you high level linux developers and users understand the other side a bit more. I know Ubuntu is often considered bloaty but it truly seems to be the only one that I can run and install easily. Also maybe its just me but just trying to FIND the proper Debian12 install was ridiculous. Spent a lot of time on that .. almost felt intentionally difficult...
@@blackpearlphotos3529 I don't necessarily recommend using it but just so you know, in my experience Manjaro is a very easy install, it never failed for me and I had other installs failing. Hell, Mint wouldn't install on my PC as a 2nd distro and that was after I struggled to get it started. Don't ask me what the hell was going on but I had to press the down-arrow to have SystemD do its thing and after attempting to install it on a 2nd SSD (I had an issue with a broken kernel but I didn't know yet that it was the kernel, an AMD-developer made a mistake which was hidden by Resizeable Bar but that is only avaiable on new hardware) the install failed because bloody Grub couldn't figure it out, probably because I use systemdboot to start my Arch system. 🙄 I have some issues with Red Hat these days (probably IBM is to blame) but Fedora also installs very reliably. You could also consider SUSE. I think that Fedora is quite usable for non-technical users, I lack experience with SUSE. Debian is notorious for being difficult to start with. Debian does some things different than how most distros do it and the website is not the most userfriendly one. It has improved though, the install with the proprietary drivers is not as much hidden anymore as it used to be. I love Debian but they make some less handy choices for regular users. 😂
LXQt is interesting. pretty small, funny that they use mostly KDE Software. but their filemanager pcmanfm-qt is really good. KDE Plasma is my favourite, but on lower end hardware I would always use LXQt. nice themes, looks like papyrus, breeze cursor and thats it. LXQt 6.1 will have full Wayland support but I have no idea what Compositor is preferred. possible are: labwc, wayfire, kwin, cosmic-comp, mutter. And a ton of tiling ones. Yarock and qpdfview are not maintained anymore it seems, the Fedora preview is damn outdated. Lubuntu is kind of a shame. You need a light system with all packages, I know Fedora has dnfdragora, but no idea of APT land. having basically a nonfunctional distro, needing another system to find the commands to add the Firefox repo and prioritize it, sucks a lot. I think LXQt being so minimal makes adoption kinda hard, but swapping in Discover, Gwenview, Okular, Elisa/Clementine/Amarok will make it a lighter KDE Plasma basically.
Lubuntu is ugly, yes, but if you want ubuntu on low memory machines, its a good option. I wish they finally had lxqt 2.0. This is really more modern looking.
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Thanks! Didn't know minimal install excludes snap. Going to reinstall Lubuntu on my HP Stream.
That’s not completely true. Kubuntu 24.04 has a new minimal install option and if you choose that it doesn’t install snapd by default.
Snaps ate the reason I avoid direct Ubuntu OS's
I don't know why everyone hates snap so much
@@funnyberries4017
The three reasons I think of is
1.Canonical forces it on you
2. It's slow when trying to start it up
3. The backend is closed sourced
@@funnyberries4017 Hate? I don't think so. Personally it's just that I don't tolerate the potential security holes that snaps facilitate.
new Linux user here, I was either going to use Lubuntu or Linux Mint and went with Mint. What are snaps?
@@qinn1996 it's a packaging format. Similar to .exe files on windows. It's used to install apps.
I just updated to Ubuntu 24.04 LTS from Ubuntu 23.10. It was easy and it took like 30mins. So far everything is working. It was more easy and seamless than last time I upgraded to 23.10.
Hey Tom,
More often than not, the calamares bug, in my experience, is caused by the hard drive being mounted somewhere already. Simply unmounting the drive is often sufficient. calamares will not proceed on a mounted drive. Its actually a safety mechanism, not a bug!
I'll look at that when I can.
If a Linux distribution works well on lower end 64-bit hardware (not 32-bit), shouldn't it work blazingly well on higher end 64-bit hardware?
No. Best example is Windows performance. Running well on limited resources could be done by limiting the amount of stuff loaded to RAM in a config file.
Like, constant.
This does not make sense, as an OS should use way more RAM on higher end systems for caching etc.
For sure if it is slim it will load fast etc. But especially if it follows old paradigms, supports old hardware, it will not be optimized for moder things.
COSMIC-Epoch is a good example for modern and very fast. Not especially low on memory, but apps start nearly instantly.
yes
I'm holding on for the Mint version based on that LTS, but I'm open to opinions on why I should get Lubuntu instead.
If you're curious about other window managers LXQt makes it super easy to try them out. Just install them, then switch them in the graphical Settings Manager, do a new login and enjoy! Also QT apps and GTK apps will always look good and you can theme them seperately or you can choose to make them look kind of similar. Also the dedicated LXQt apps come with very little dependencies so you can run them on any system or DE ("desktop agnosticity"). It's not as much as a walled garden like other DEs (I don't know Mint's Cinnamon in that regard but take Gnome or KDE for example). But in the end, use what you like the best!
The ONLY version of the Ubuntu 'family' worth taking serious. Without 'snapd ', it becomes a really nice option, flies on all hardware, old and new. With a few tweaks to sort the overall theming - by installing qt5ct/qt6ct - it aspires to a beautiful lxqt desktop too. Well recommended!
B safe...
Good review and install guide. Maybe I a bit behind on Ubuntu but does it still have synaptic? Are the repositories for apt packages any good or are they being neglected in favour of snap based packages?
I think it does have synaptic...but I might be confusing that with Armbian which I was testing until way too early in the morning.
Canonical pulled multiple programs from the repositories after the Snap became available, including the Firefox browser which I find problematic. It is Canonical's right but I can't recommend the system anymore to users for that reason. For years Ubuntu had some weird script which will make you install the Snap if you use apt install
Does the Lubuntu Calamares Installer give you the @ and @home Subvolumes out of the box when installing on btrfs?
Yes it does.
Awesome thank you
no snaps, thank you very much.
Well yeah it is nonfunctional and you need a separate device to read off the instructions to add the mozilla PPA, prioritize it and install Firefox.
when i changed my distro to fedora 40 on my external harddrive i had to use external partitition manager to remove it it was still feta release so that could have been the problem but it was the final beta build before release of fedora 40
Fedoras installer might have weird button placements but it works really well. There is a checkbox to wipe all other partitions.
I tried this on an old pc but weirdly it didnt work that well. Xfce runs smoother for me
Did LxQt killed proper scrollbars and substituted them with those disastrous "overlay" scrollbars without "steppers"? You should have opened File Manager on some big directory to check that...
Yeah I think he could have actually reviewed some apps, which is mostly the filemanager and software store afaik
i install Lubuntu with Kali Linux but when i swich on my pc i see only Lubuntu,how can i see kali linux to when i swich the pc?
You have an improperly configured bootloader. That's the only thing keeping you from hacking into the main-frame at this point. Dude it's gonna be just like Mr. Robot. So sick.
What's the problem with snapd? Switched from Windows to Kubuntu last weekend and am absolutely fascinated by how well it's working, so I don't get the disdain. Should I car about that? 🤔
From my understanding, snap packages seem to be quite resource inefficient, not 100% original with the app as its modified, on different versions of that app (usually far behind in updates) and has a very corporate approach in licences.
"What's the problem with snapd?"
It's unnecessary bloat if you understand Linux well enough.
Linux is still designed to run on a large number of different platforms - on the IBM PC alone, it can still run on anything form a 486 CPU upwards. That may not be important for most people with their ultra-modern and fast PCs but slower machines usually don't have enough resources to run additional software layers that provide "ease of use" to inexperienced users, which is ultimately what snapd is - an application to remove the "headaches" of package management for newbies.
I myself run Gentoo Linux (which is highly customisable, if you don't know) and I have it running on everything from a few Pentium III Thinkpad laptops, original Raspberry Pi and Pi Zero through to multi-CPU Xeon servers. When I work at the lower end of that range, on Pentium III for example, I have to forget about Rust and any applications that need Rust because Rust has a dependency for an SSE2 CPU instruction flag, which Pentium III (and early Athlon CPUs) don't have. (Yes, I know there are ways around it but on Gentoo it's a cumbersome task to get Rust running on a non-SSE2 CPU and it's not something that I care enough about to want to put in the time and effort to installing Rust on those machines.) But I still manage to build working Linux environments on those machines that are nice to use (Thinkpads of that age have great keyboards!) and because I work at such a "low level", mostly at the CLI, I don't need the same resource-hungry tools that newbies need.
That's not a criticism of how you or anyone else uses Linux, it's big enough for everyone to have it their way and you never need to worry about Gentoo in the same way I never need to worry about Ubuntu. But you asked a good question and hopefully I've given you a good answer.
See Linux Mint's article on their stance; it's pretty clear. -> linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/snap.html
As a format snaps are great. Or, at least, better than flatpaks and traditional package formats. The problem is that canonical has full control over them. The snap store is not open source. And until recently relied on purely on a "web of trust" to keep malware off of it.
Until canonical relinquishes its iron grip and stops trying to force snaps on people by making other formats harder to use on ubuntu, snaps will continue to enjoy a bad reputation which the format itself does not deserve.
Been a few cases of malware. Until recently, Canonical did not vet the apps with humans looking at the app itself, just the "developer's reputation". Not always bit reliable.
Even though I'm Dutch I always install the American English version. Easier when I have a problem and search for a solution. The solutions are most of the times in English, that's why. Lubuntu the only snapless Ubuntu, but when you install Firefox manually it installs the snap🤔
Get rid of Geert wilders..
how to install linux mint or ubuntu in a windows 10 dual boot without usb flash drive or dvd bootable installer?
One way might be through a Virtual Machine like VirtualBox?
You definetly need a flashdrive.
Have an software use an partition where you copy the ISO files and after does writeen in boot partition to show the ISO booting ... unhappily about that program I not remember the name ... WinBoot ? WinHDD Boot ? good luck ...
A virtual clone drive to load the iso?
If you select minimal, it is no snap. But the moment you do something like sudo apt-get install firefox in the terminal... guess what it will install???????? So you are going to have to be careful in how you install things...
You can always partition it manually 🤓 I prefer to do that manually, because I want my /home directory on a separate drive.
Which only makes sense when distrohopping, makes you potentially waste space or get storage size problems if the root is full
@@MinaSchloch Security reasons in my case. Haven’t had any issues.
What is the problem with snap packages? An honest question, from someone who is not very knowledgeable about what is going on with Linux. Thank you.
There isn't really anything wrong with Snaps. It's mostly just the vocal minority of the Linux user base that constantly complains about it.
Hi all, my sddm is in 90degree rotation.. can anyone guide me to fix it?
1. Install Lubuntu
2. Install Gnome
Snapless Ubuntu.
Btw what is wrong with snaps?
If snaps had newer packages, they would've been fine. But they are still shipping old versions of kdenlive.
On low end systems it is pretty important to not duplicate libraries I think. So even though I use flatpak exclusively, on such systems native packages are likely best.
Its cinnamon version is also very good
I couldn't find the settings panel either in the full install Tom.
Glad to know I am not going totally insane.
Why does no one like snaps?
There is a long history of issues from malware, central distribution, and other reasons I have done several videos on the channel.
@@SwitchedtoLinux Okay. I'll have to check them out then. It sounds like Ubuntu wants to become proprietary or something like that.
Lubuntu 18.10부터 적용된 LXQT가 너무 촌스럽다.
도대체 Lubuntu 18.04의 감성은 어디갔냐?
그리고 Lubuntu의 목적 자체가 오래된 컴퓨터에 설치하여 컴퓨터를 좀 더 오래 사용하는 것이 목적인데, 18.10부터 무거워져서 오래된 컴퓨터를 기준으로는 무거워서 쓸모도 없어졌다.
Lubuntu 개발자들은 초심을 찾기 바란다.
지금 다국어 지원도 개판이다.
The reason why I wrote the main point in Korean is that if I write the same expression in English, ‘red UA-cam’ will censor it and delete my comment.
Use deepL
It is awesome that Lubuntu actually does what the users like better, shoutout for that. I still wouldn't feel comfortable recommending it to new Linux-users (who I give advice to at times) just because it uses Ubuntu, I would love to see them move to Debian as the base in which case I would recommend it. Canonical removes packages from the repositories as soon as it is available as a Snap and Canonical has tested that it works with no other issues than starting slower and using more memory (storage). You could solve that by using a Flatpak instead of Canonical but then you still have the downsides of containerization, just less so than for Snap.
I don't flame Canonical for trying to reduce their work for maintaining repositories, the company can do what they want. But we have plenty of alternatives which do put as much software in the repositoriesas possible so use one of those unless you don't care about the downsides of Snap and Flatpak, fine by me.
I'm currently on Debian using LXQt desktop and it functions exactly the same (minus the Ubuntu-features like easier implementation of external software-sources and driver installation). I usued Lubuntu in the past and I will try out 24.04 on another partition soon. So there's no problem to swich over to Debian yourself and install LXQt there if you want to.
Flatpak also has their own PPA so you dont need to rely on canonical to not just remove the flatpak package.
I moved from Ubuntu to Debian12. Am I an adept linux user? No. Did I install D12 over Ubuntu? Yes. Wifi was fine until I changed location - no network manager. Cleaned the etc/network file or whatever, rebooted.. still no access to network settings. Also lost my ability to connect to internet. Used bluetooth to cellphone for internet, worked on network adapter stuff for a while and gave up. Now installing new Ubuntu.
Im old and busy.. no time to troubleshoot - just want something that works for me and my wife without spying on me all the time (as it seems apple and msoft are now really ramping up in that area).
I know network adapter drivers are proprietary which I blame as the hitch in my experiment (alongside my general low linux capabilities) but perhaps this comment might help some of you high level linux developers and users understand the other side a bit more. I know Ubuntu is often considered bloaty but it truly seems to be the only one that I can run and install easily.
Also maybe its just me but just trying to FIND the proper Debian12 install was ridiculous. Spent a lot of time on that .. almost felt intentionally difficult...
@@blackpearlphotos3529 I don't necessarily recommend using it but just so you know, in my experience Manjaro is a very easy install, it never failed for me and I had other installs failing. Hell, Mint wouldn't install on my PC as a 2nd distro and that was after I struggled to get it started. Don't ask me what the hell was going on but I had to press the down-arrow to have SystemD do its thing and after attempting to install it on a 2nd SSD (I had an issue with a broken kernel but I didn't know yet that it was the kernel, an AMD-developer made a mistake which was hidden by Resizeable Bar but that is only avaiable on new hardware) the install failed because bloody Grub couldn't figure it out, probably because I use systemdboot to start my Arch system. 🙄
I have some issues with Red Hat these days (probably IBM is to blame) but Fedora also installs very reliably. You could also consider SUSE. I think that Fedora is quite usable for non-technical users, I lack experience with SUSE.
Debian is notorious for being difficult to start with. Debian does some things different than how most distros do it and the website is not the most userfriendly one. It has improved though, the install with the proprietary drivers is not as much hidden anymore as it used to be. I love Debian but they make some less handy choices for regular users. 😂
👍
LXQt is interesting. pretty small, funny that they use mostly KDE Software. but their filemanager pcmanfm-qt is really good.
KDE Plasma is my favourite, but on lower end hardware I would always use LXQt.
nice themes, looks like papyrus, breeze cursor and thats it.
LXQt 6.1 will have full Wayland support but I have no idea what Compositor is preferred. possible are: labwc, wayfire, kwin, cosmic-comp, mutter. And a ton of tiling ones.
Yarock and qpdfview are not maintained anymore it seems, the Fedora preview is damn outdated.
Lubuntu is kind of a shame. You need a light system with all packages, I know Fedora has dnfdragora, but no idea of APT land.
having basically a nonfunctional distro, needing another system to find the commands to add the Firefox repo and prioritize it, sucks a lot.
I think LXQt being so minimal makes adoption kinda hard, but swapping in Discover, Gwenview, Okular, Elisa/Clementine/Amarok will make it a lighter KDE Plasma basically.
Yeah, that store is synaptic which it should have installed instead.
Lubuntu is ugly, yes, but if you want ubuntu on low memory machines, its a good option. I wish they finally had lxqt 2.0. This is really more modern looking.
Lubuntu 24.10 is your savior...
@@tenfourproductionsllc yupp, tried it, keep it😄