Doctor Who: Space Babies Review (Ups & Downs)
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Doctor Who is back! But does Ncuti Gatwa's first season kick off on a high? Here's Ellie with our review of Space Babies!
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Outlandish theory: but what if the one who waits is us the viewer. Becaues from the characters perspective we would be sat and watching the show so it would appear as we are waiting 🤷♂️ totally might not be but was something I thought of.
@@lksdfhiughdsuhbdusaf you are in the matrix!!
Disney are making Ruby the first Disney Dr Who Princess. Want to know more ? ;)
I love how the Doctor was like "your mum better not slap me", likes hes fought aliens and creatures and battled mutiple traumas but the biggest ptsd he has is getting slapped by companion's mums.
That had me roaring with laughter. A joke that means nothing to the Newbies but everything to the Trufans. More of those, please :-)
It was an interesting point but rather pointless, given we then saw nothing of the actual family scene so kind of lost the grounding point of the family dynamic.
I totally missed that! 😂 Well spotted.
@@quintuscrinis8032 ok,
There was a bunch of callbacks to 9 in this episode ❤
They could have had the prams be telepathically linked with the babies, so the prams could talk with those voices, without having to CGI moving lips onto the babies
Don't you know the twist? These are RTD new Dalek models for 2024 😂
A good idea, but the TARDIS translates everything.
That's what I said! Just a wiggly line to show a mind to voice thing. They creepd me out.
That would have been amazing! The cgi lips were disturbing.
I am just relieved they didn’t go full uncanny valley with fully CGI babies (shudder).
Take a shot every time Fifteen says ''Space Babies''
😂😂😂
You trying to kill us?
I'm so drunk now, lol
We'll do it, but might be slightly tipsy during the Boom review next week
I was thinking that while watching the episode yesterday lol
So... we going to ignore the fact that Jocelyn gave directions in compass bearings? "He's 400m northwest of you!" Which way is north on a space station?
I would assume spacefairing civilizations would have some sort of convention for cardinal directions on a space station, especially ones without rotational symmetry. Just assign North to the bow of the station. Sure, it's rather arbitrary, but it works
They speak some other language evolved from cantonese, was the explanation the Dactor gave Ruby: the TARDIS does all the translating... the 5th direction is "the middle", so east is right, west is left, south is backwards and north means "straight on" if the Doctor was a "middle-dot" positioned on the map she is reading out for him: onwards to the left side😁
The station was in orbit over a planet, so planetary North? Maybe the station stays in a fixed position in relation to the poles so one side of the station always looks North and the other looks South.
Magic? Like the fact they could breathe when they saw dinosaurs despite the oxygen content being wrong for humans 100 million years ago.
She was referring to north east and west relative to their position this is used all the time in real life it has no relation to actual compass bearings north just means forward and the rest is self explanatory
I kinda liked the Jocelyn, she refused to abandon the babies even if she knew nothing about how to run a space station, she did her damn best, and that makes her a good person.
Yeah I love her. She was the one person in a horrible situation to just say f it, no, and put her own life on the line, even though she was just an accountant (I think that's what she said) and probably the least qualified person on the station to do this. Fantastic character.
It's pretty much every parent, tbh. You don't get a manual and you do your best.
Yes definitely lovely character
Yea
Love the actress 😊
During the introduction about being the last Time Lord, and also the memory of the church, got a definitive feel of Capaldi's comment about hugs being "just a way to hide your face." 👍
litterally my exact thought!
The whole resolution was closing a door (airlock)
The boggy man was not interacted with at all, and suddenly its all fine and harmless
He's now locked in an airlock forever. Victory....???
The Doctor literally rescues bogeys from being sucked out into space. How is that not interacting?
@@Rocksteady72aI think the idea was that the Bogeyman came from the imagination of the babies so they were able to imagine it as a positive force that they could then co-exist with.
Don't forget the giant fart
It was saved because it was one-of-a-kind-like the Doctor.
Why didn’t the Doc fly out of the airlock? There was nothing pulling him to the wall- he would have followed the atmosphere out. Down for me.
The airlock trope scene made zero sense anyway.
It‘s always a giant storm rushing out endlessly, even from the tiniest room.
It‘s an airlock with a very finite amount of air.
What would happen if you open the outside door is an instant whoosh and the air is gone.
Either you get blown out with it immediately or you sit in a vacuum a split second later because you were anchored.
I think Doctor gave butterfly regeneration energy. Same as 12 to Davros or River to 11. We didn’t see it because it wouldn’t take very much for so small an animal.
I was thinking it was more like "mouth to mouth," like bug CPR, just forcing his breath into the bug to resuscitate it.
Aaaahh yes the Classic NuWho trope - splash Regeneration energy everywhere - clearly the writers couldn't think of a better solution.
@@veggiet2009 I would say more successfully than Barney's attempt to resuscitate a fly in The Whoopee Boys-which is where my mind went when they set up that scene. :-Ð
@veggiet2009 Since when can breath unsquish a butterfly? Lol
@PartakerOfTheTube That's what I thought of too. He gave up a few years of his life to resuscitate it
I hear a lot of reactionaries saying The Doctor explaining his background is for the benefit of the audience who may be unfamiliar with the show, to some extent that’s true. But what I don’t think people are understanding is how this is for us long-time viewers as well. We are coming on the heels of a Doctor who many times refused to discuss her past, her background, anything really. This has been pretty true right along. The Doctor giving their companions info about themself is like pulling teeth. But here we see a brand new approach to The Doctor. This is the one who is the result of the 14th Dr. doing the therapy. This Doctor is the one who will be open and up front with his companions. He’s brand spanking new out of the box having dealt with his trauma vicariously through the 14th Doctor and can now afford to be vulnerable and up front about who he is. He’s comfortable and has come a long way to making peace about his past. He’s dropping the brooding and going for the acceptance. As an aside, the vulnerable aspect may be why he’s allowing himself to be afraid of things. But with Moffatt and RTD back, it’s likely some “Bad Wolf” type thing that Moffatt will likely make us feel dumb about later.
This 100% what I was thinking in that Scene! I didn’t have the ahhh exposition dump time feeling because I was thinking wow look at this emotionally open doctor just answering questions without beating around the bush.
I think it’s sets up his doctor as one that is free from his past and ready to make new connections.
her? lol.
Nailed it. I remember how Martha had to pull teeth and nearly die in Gridlock to get the barest explanation from that Doctor. 15 is a lot more emotionally mature.
I don't know why saying this particular exposition is mainly done for new fans to catch up makes someone a reactionary, but ok.
Also, the therapy idea is TERRIBLE. Yeah, sure, let's just skip crucial character development, great writing tip. EVERY writing channel on UA-cam will tell you you don't skip character development. Sure, it's handwaved by saying they do rehab in the wrong order, but that doesn't help much, since we can't see that happening, so for us, the Doctor goes from depressed to sunshine in five seconds.
Is there anyone, non-fans included, that doesn't know the Doctor's background? There are villages in out of reach parts of the world that know what Daleks and TARDISes are? Same with Superman, MacDonalds and Manchester United. Some things just become so big they seep into everything.
The only other “Up” I would give was the doctor’s line about mums slapping him 😂
I would agree with you about that actually. This season of Doctor Who was supposed to redeem the series... I'm becoming less hopeful about it though.
While I didn't think the snot monster should have been spaced, the turnabout in sentiment towards it was not earned.
I don't really see it as a turnaround though. He was scared of it at first, but it wasn't because he was scared of it for being a monster, he was scared of it because he was made to be scared of it. He even points out that it was out of character for him to be scared of monsters.
Once he realized why he was scared of it, it makes sense to me that he would do an immediate 180. It doesn't make much sense that he would hold on to that fear.
Also, I'm pretty sure the Doctor doesn't see much difference between a snot monster and a human baby. We have seen time and time again he views both the alien and the human as equal.
Yeah, the babies all the sudden wanting to save the monster didn't make much sense. I can understand where the doctor came from, but they didn't have a reason for the babies to want to save it.
@@KittiesofEvil The whole concept of the babies doesn't really make sense. Which is OK, the episode wasn't trying to comment on the nature of babies.
Real babies are sociopathic monsters (and come to think of it, there was a episode of Doctor Who which kind of portrayed that). That's not say babies are bad, because they are not, they are just what they are. From a babies point of view, they are the only important thing in the universe and it takes a little time to learn empathy and compassion.
So yes, from a realistic point of view, the babies would just want the monster dead. It's just that the episode was not particularly realistic as a whole. Which is fine, I don't watch Doctor Who for the realism.
yeah i didnt really get it. they should have just left it to its devices downstairs
The Doctor realizes that the bogeyman isn't actually a villain, but has been created to make people scared. The creature is in fact an innocent being, and the only one of his kind. The turnabout in sentiment from the Doctor was 100% earned. The reaction from Joycelyn however was very strange. I don't get why she broke down crying like that.
I started wathcing it shortly after midnight.
Counterpoint in regards to the ending Boogeyman stuff: we never saw them do anything actually harmful to anyone beyond a cartoonish "rawr I'm a scary monster :3" so like why should we wish them dead? lol.
Because that's what we humans do
@@kikidevine694we aren’t instinctively led wild creatures we think for ourselves so, No that’s not what we humans do
The not-so-subtle jab at the government only carrying about babies being born and not the babies themselves was very telling and I thought was funny
It’s the opposite in our world.
Killing born babies is still a few years away.
Susan Twist was in the Startrek Uniform on Space Babies. She also appeared in The Devils Cord and also in Wild Blue Yonder. This character constantly follows The Doctor like some kind of Watcher
Perhaps the clue is in her name. She is the doctor's granddaughter.
What about her being the hooded woman and also The Rani. She does experiments on people and theres clearly something up with Ruby, like time changing all around her.
Ans she was the person who shouted “can you play Goudate” in the Christmas special
@@Blazing_Ninja I just commented on this exact point! Also in early English the carol is known as the burden and has a line the time of grace has come.
@@user-qx6fp1jq6i Interesting…
What I didn't like about the airlock sequence was the fact that it felt like 5 mins to depressurize. I know this is Sci-Fi, but it was a relatively small sealed compartment and a big opening to outer space. Sorry, this should have been seconds and all the air is gone. The timeframe would have made more sense if the airlock was being depressurized via pumpig air out, before opening the outer door.
I have to say that the thing that hit me the hardest was the whole never been hugged scene.
Yes! I had to go and give my 1 year old a hug when I saw that. Heart break!
@@A1exBOfficial It's such a sad thought and it is criminally overlooked in most reviews.
Babies who aren’t shown affection tend to grow up emotionally stunted.
The empathy for the Bogeyman definitely could have used an extra scene or even just a few shots to establish better. Remember, the Bogeyman was designed to be scary, but never actually hurt anyone... it'd have been really cool if, for instance, the Doctor was able to counter the low-frequency roar, and in that moment the Bogeyman itself seemed scared. Or if -- and this would have been even better, I think -- we got a brief flashback clip of McGann from that short, when that woman ran from him and refused his help because she was afraid of all Time Lords. It would have really solidified that idea of "the last of its kind, but feared by everyone, even though it's done nothing wrong", and made that empathy clearer.
From memory, I believe the Eleventh Doctor did alter Rory's phone with a sonic screwdriver so he could contact the aliens in The Eleventh Hour, I can't remember if Twelve or Thirteen did it.
In regards to the sonic's design, apparently it's reportedly due to RTD wanting the sonic to be redesigned as he felt that it looked too much like a gun/weapon, so he wanted it to look more like a remote control instead. If this is the case, again RTD is solving a problem that didn't exist, except only to RTD - along with the Davros no longer being in his mobile machine - another RTD solving a problem that didn't exist in the first place.
He didn't do it with the sonic. It's not really shown how he does it. He does it with the sonic to Martha's phone though
I sometime think that maybe RTD is doing all these "fixes for non problems" because of his deal with Disney. I know Disney is not supposed to have that much influence but maybe this is where it shows. I've never thought the Sonic looked like a gun (because it doesn't look like any gun I've ever seen) but maybe someone at Disney though it does and felt uncomfortable letting the Disney money flow because they want to host what they would call a family friendly show. It doesn't make sense to the fans ( and may not make sense to any new fans who start here and go back and watch previous seasons) but we're not the ones with the funding money.
The Davros change negates the Daleks. Davros based the machine component of the Daleks on his own life support system. No disability, no life support system, no Mark III Travel Machine. It wasn't even as if anyone associated Davros's being evil with his disability... until RTD made it a thing.
...it looks nothing like a gun. It's like a wand if anything.
@mattmahoney8659 Han Solo’s gun looks like a gun. I don’t think Disney has any problem with things looking like guns.
The joke about visiting the Star Trek guys, I'm pretty sure, was meant to be a nod to the comic in which the Doctor does, in fact, crossover with Star Trek and ends up on the Enterprise.
"Why do all kids draw on walls?" Because it's a big, blank space, and I've got a crayon! ...I mean, and *they've* got a crayon... achem.
I felt a little bit let down. Not sure it had the full Dr Who feel. Ambivalent about Space Babies.
I had the same feeling the next story felt more like a bad Disney Cartoon and defo not Dr Who.
I am with you both. Enormously underwhelmed so far.
Same. Thus may be the end of doctor who for me
Did you also notice when they were showing the planetary stats, they were showing how much mavity the planet had?
in joke!!
I missed that and I was looking for "mavity" to show up. I suspect it's more than just an in joke.
On Disney+, it has this episode as episode 2. So for those new to the series, The Church on Ruby Road would be the first episode introducing them to it.
Only question is why they reuploaded the special as episode 1?
The Fifteenth Doctor's opening mini-monologue wasn't just about bringing new Who fans up to date, it was, I think, to affirm to longtime fans that this new venture is part of the continuity of the whole. Also, it affirmed everything about The Timeless Child and in doing so the Thirteenth Doctor.
To start, yes, music was outstanding, but I feel the opening is... best way I can describe it is "busy".
Cold opens are cool, but not always needed. I disagree about the exposition: don't send people elsewhere, put it on screen. We've waited this long, we can wait a bit more while everyone else catches up.
Space babies: why did they have to traumatize those children? Watch the ones that weren't the focus of the scene. Some of them were not happy. And they were supposed to be.
"All kids draw on walls" I drew on the hardwood floor. With a permanent marker. I don't want to talk about it.
I think Susan Twist will be in every episode. Also, I noticed the snow.
This episode was okay, it was watchable. But it had the misfortune of being followed by The Devil's Chord. I will have more to say about that.
Thanks for the vid, especially how quick it arrived. You guys don't get to just sit and enjoy, so it's important to me that you understand how appreciated you are. It's lots.
I think if we got to see a thing of the bogeyman (through the camera system or something?) In a more docile state, maybe a little nest it made to comfort itself when it was alone down there, it could have given more for The Doctor to work with in making it a more sympathetic creature.
We saw it running and snarling, but from what we saw it never actually hurt anyone. They never mentioned any kids disappearing or anything. We had the part where the monster was explained to give the babies (space babies) a well-rounded childhood. The program made it to help raise the babies (space babies), so it could be argued that it would put in safeguards where the monster could never actually cause them harm. It'd just be like a dog protecting its space and keeping out other people (space babies) from its nest.
Oh and Susan Twist means there is always a Twist in the end 😉
Who the cluck is Susan Twist? Her IMDB has one Doctor Who appearance and nothing else related ever; why do we care about whoever she is?
@@Sir_Jimmothyshe’s appeared in every season one episode so far including the Christmas special and wild blue yonder as a side character, she’s also scheduled to appear in the finale in a larger role
@@xxdepressionxx5772 Fair enough - surprised her IMDB hasn't caught up to it. Thanks :]
@@Sir_Jimmothy er look again, the list is over 20.. she was maybe too busy doing brookside!!
7:44 it did lead to a weird moment in the episode after, where Ruby is terrified at the idea of the Doctor running from Maestro, saying stuff like “but you never run” and I’m like you’ve spent MORE time with him running than facing enemies head on lol
The Doctor's life is LITERALLY RUNNING, so I was all like whut?
She said 'you never hide'
Given she also says in the second episode that she's now in June or July of her personal timeline (as opposed to December, when she left), she's been travelling with the Doctor for six months by this point.
The time gap between space babies and the devil's chord means that she's had time to get to know the doctor beyond that
@@icon_uk624 Ah right I forgot about that part, good point, but still from our perspective we’re still getting acquainted with our new doctor, and he’s been very fearful thus far
I couldn't stand the airlock scene,
if an airlock opens, all air gets sucked out instantly
I know the show is fictional, but it taking like minutes for a single small room to run out of air while the airlock is literally open, is so unrealistic that it ruined that whole scene for me
As I said under another video about this episode, they EASILY could've fixed most of the problems with this concept if they simply abandoned the idea of doing CGI mouths for the babies. Just have a tiny speaker installed in each of the motorized stroller, and have the dialogue come out of those for all of the baby characters. (The reasoning could be that the strollers are translating the baby gibberish into normal words, similar to what the "Nani" filter was doing.) It would've worked fine. The "Look Who's Talking" movies worked in the same way with Bruce Willis voicing the baby - no CGI mouth required.
They could have just had the Doctor do the translating. He speaks baby.
My main problem with the episode is it when so quickly, the rapid changes in tone were done relatively naturally (they were all believable), but they did cause insane whiplash when watching the episode.
It felt like there wasn't a single break in the episode where the audience could catch their breath and process what's happening. The lack of cold open contributes to this, usually they set up episode and then provide an immediate break for the opening credits in which anticipation can build. Similarly if you look at the structure of other opening episodes of new doctor/new companion series, there is often a short break around the 10-15 min mark in which the companion (and by extension the audience) has some time to reflect on what's happening. Think Rose getting home and telling her mum about the strange man she met in 'Rose', or Amelia waiting for the doctor who (hehe) didn't come back.
In this episode ruby is sort of just whisked everywhere and just accepts the weirdness immediately so that they can move onto the next story beat.
I think another contributing factor is the use of music, while I love Murray Gold's score, it does feel like the score accentuates every single line, which makes it feel less interesting and important when impactful lines are being spoken. I love the music but I don't it think it should be overplayed.
Did anyone else notice the lack of the Tardis' landing/taking off sound?? Did he finally take the parking break off? I actually found it distracting that it wasn't there.
Me, too.
Yeah I thought at the time, has he muted the TARDIS?
Ikr! They can't do that :(
Something I liked about the exposition scene about the Doctor’s origins is when he mentioned that the Time Lords were all gone, for the first time, it very clearly wasn’t the Doctor’s fault.
I thought the resolution of the Bogeyman, how it went from villain to someone to save was too weak and rushed. Not just the Doctor suddenly identifying with it but the fact the machine also created it along with the babies so it’s all somehow ok? Weird.
not only that but telling the babies there's no Bogieman when everybody there clearly knows it's there was also a really weird decision, and then the baby going to go give it a talking to saying that "well she said it wasn't real" but if that was the case... why go look for it? why are you going to talk smack to a monster that you were just told isn't real? but you also know it's real but since that's the case why listen to Ruby saying it's not real when you know it's real? there are moments like that throughout the episode where it feels very contradictory
According to Disney plus this is the second episode. They are using the last of the 60th specials as the first episode of the season
I wasn't paying attention attention and just chose to watch the first episode of season one. I sat through seven minutes before I realized this wasn't just a recap 😂.
Did they explain why the babies were still babies after 6 years ?
Yeah, that made ZERO sense.
They made a big point about the babies having a slowed age.
@@LaserFont0103 did they give a reason for it ? Must have missed it
I think the idea is that the machines the babies are created in can regulate the speed they'll develop, so in theory you could also do things like grow people that would age quicker to replace an adult population if needed, but because the place is being maintained by an untrained accountant the regulator was set horribly wrong.
@@wendyheatherwood that makes a lot of sense , thanks
As the father of an adopted son, we adopted him at 10 months he is soon to be 21 years old, who came out as gay a few years ago, this episode was a great episode to share. Especially the conversation with Poppy, who asked if she was born wrong. The Doctor's answer brought tears to my eye. Because this was conversations my wife and I had with him about both his trauma from being given up and from being gay. And we always told him what the Doctor said, though maybe not as beautifully. He told me I was a good Dad, even if not so eloquent.
Beautiful to hear Dr Who can do this! Thanks for sharing ❤
Well "the One who waits" he only turns up once a year for X-Mass.
The Baby Jesus?
The Doctor: We can never go to that night at the Church on Ruby Road!
Oh, they're definitely going back there
4:06 no he didn't mention the Master 😂
I noticed that too! Was waiting for it, but it wasn't mentioned.....
He slapped the jukebox 4 times though-
@@benjaminhurrell70944 knocks is in the past
It was fun but I hope we’ll get episodes we want to watch again and again like The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances. The bit that really got me was the Doctor telling Ruby that he would never take her back to the moment she was left at the church because of even the slightest change to the timeline could be catastrophic. It just reminded me that if I could back in time to prevent myself being born it would cause a paradox
Even though "The Church on Ruby Road" is "Special 4" of the 60th Anniversary, it's also listed as "Episode 1" of the new S15 (or S1 of this reboot depending on how you look at it) on Disney+
It’s listed as episode zero on IMDb.
I don't think it's classed as part of the 60th. The Giggle was the last episode of those specials. On BBC iPlayer, they have the 60th eps listed separately than 'The Church on Ruby Road'. They have it listed as Christmas Special & episode 1. Quite often big shows have a Christmas episode, but it is actually just the first episode of the season. The BBC also does this with the show Call The Midwife, but with that it continues a week or so later in Jan not May!!
@@Bellabambina123 It's not specifically classed as part of the 60th, but the stand alone version of "The Church on Ruby Road" is still listed as "Special 4" on Disney+ (at least it was on Canadian Disney+ when I watched season 1 on Friday), implying a continuation of Special 1 to 3 which are the 60th episodes.
Also, what I think make this confusing, especially for new viewers, is that there's 2 version of that episode at the same time on Disney+. The aforementioned "Special 4", and the "Season 1 Episode 1". We didn't have this issue before, because Christmas episodes were usually listed as "Episode 0" of their respective seasons, and they didn't have double listing on the same streaming sites. Had they listed it as "Episode 0" instead of "Episode 1" (like it is on IMDB), or at least kept the watched status instead of re-listing it as a separate video, a lot of the confusion probably could have been avoided.
Edit: Also, and this could be an issue only outside the UK, but the Special 1 to 3 aren't listed as the 60th special on Disney+. They aren't even grouped together into a "season", and are instead listed separately as if they were their own individual movies. That's why I said in the first part of my comment that the stand alone version of "The Church on Ruby Road" was implied to be a continuation of the 60th episodes on Disney+. Without prior knowledge, you wouldn't know you could just watch the Christmas special independently.
I look at it as S43
I tried to enjoy it but i dont think it was a very good episode :(
It wasn’t tbh :(
So many episodes of Jodie’s didn’t have a cold open. I prefer a cold open, but I wouldn’t consider not having one as a down.
Agree.
Yeah that one is grasping at straws.
I wouldn’t either, but I take these as her (or the channel’s) personal opinion. So it’s valid as a down if she/they really like them.
Plenty of legit ⬇️⬇️⬇️ in this turd of an episode
I believe the unearthly child did not have a cold open. If this is supposed to be a soft reboot I can get behind that concept for the opening
They are good though, as a concept imo.
All I can think is "Please don't let Ruby be the Doctor's mum !!!" for the main arc LOL :)
I'm thinking more like a descendant of Susan's.
The hooded person at ruby road no doubt in my mind is The Trickster. The fact that the Doctor said that the memory changed when he said the hooded person is now pointing at him and then it started snowing....the trickster without a doubt would be the one who has the power to do it. The power to change memory and has powers all revolved around memories. The fact that pantheons are quite prevalent right now sort of make this very believable, especially them describing to the doctor that "the person who waits is coming". Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that's the hooded person- but that's actually someone who has said a line very similar to them waiting - The trickster in the Sarah Jane wedding episode.
Yesterday video you said that there's a connection with the third doctor in this new season of doctor who... well Sarah Jane had a massive connection to the third doctor. I think the Tricksters come back is 100% going to be this season and I'm here for it.
I would agree as soon as I saw the pointing hand and memory changed, I thought Trickster!
Omg I would be SO excited if the hooded one was the trickster. I been calling it for ages.
Well reasoned! 👍
There's also a few lines that Maestro comes out with in The Devil's Chord that had me thinking the same thing.
@@gavinhenderson7250 yeah the tricksters hasn't seen the doctor in like 15 years or something 🤔. Very long time to wait.
I figured the butterfly thing was just the same as the Tenth Doctor breathing into the little light bulb to rejuvenate it when he and Rose and Mickey first got to Pete's World
For the butterfly thing, remember the twelve doctor gave Davros regeneration energy just from scratch
Yes. And he also 'breathed' onto that TARDIS part in S2 to bring the TARDIS back.
In Classic Who when he healed someone there was no regeneration energy
It's also just a butterfly, probably a trivial amount of energy
Am I the only one who thought it was butterfly CPR? 🦋 😁
Especially now that he's running on unlimited regeneration energy, depending on how closely we're adhering to Chibnall's shenanigans
Can’t say I liked the first episode. The Devil’s Cord on the other hand.
Whilst watching this (in the evening), I shit you not, my mum said they all looked like distressed 40 year olds when she saw the babies talk
Seriously, Spacebaby Eric looks like an overly nervous middle manager with a combover whose board of directors has just shown up for a surprise inspection
The Timeless child has my head just wobbling places. This beginning with the Doctor says the planet I was adopted on people have titles, my head goes wait you are older than the Time Lords being Time Lords and you also came before they started the ceremony where they pick a name. The worst part was my friend's kids are new to Doctor Who and they were confused by the explanation and I had to explain the Doctor's name to them.
they are confused because the show is shit now, it had a well stablished lore and a retarded guy came to destroy everything up, This is not doctor who.
Regarding the butterfly it's not any different than 10 blowing into the TARDIS crystal in the alternate universe, taking 10 years from his life. Who's to say the Doctor can't do the same with a butterfly.
I assumed this, but I think a bit of 'regeneration energy' effects would have sold it.
But maybe that butterfly grows up to be the TARDIS who stole the Doctor.
As soon as they realised that the bogeyman was a story come to life, I suddenly felt sorry for it. It couldn't help the way it was, it was created to be as scary as possible. I actually said to my friend that I hoped they had a good ending for the bogeyman and that they weren't just going to space it. And then the Doctor came to the very same conclusion. So for me that worked perfectly. Also, we already know the Doctor prefers to save rather than destroy, and that he feels for lonely, single beings in particular, so that didn't need to be hashed out again. And finally, you don't need to like something to not want to kill it... So for me that part of the episode was a big up! 👍
I was confused by the Doctor’s explanation of Gallifrey and the Time Lords being gone…does he not remember that Gallifrey still exists out there somewhere (Day of the Doctor and Hell Bent)🤔
Master blew them up again
@@jonathanhall3640 Thanks. I’d forgotten that🤦♀️
@@MAB_Canada I had hoped the writers would too 😂😂😂Oh well
It’s all so timey wimey… We could have galifrey back by next episode if some writer decides to bring it back. 😂
@@GLBizzie bring it! …Please🙏
This episode was terrible. The premise, dialogue and tone was set for 5 year olds but the monster design wasn't. Doctor Who used to have so it would appeal to a broad age range. I really hope there are some more mature episodes later in the series.
Next episode is like watching a bad Disney cartoon and is so far removed from Dr Who
@@Mark-nh2hspretty sure ep 3 will be more mature as its written by steven moffat who wrote peter capaldi and matt smith episodes
I wouldn't say that myself.
I think this episode reminds me a bit of some of the weaker episodes during the 10th Doctor's run. Take '42'. I just cant watch it over and over like most DW episodes. It's not bad, but nothing sticks out for me.
This episode is a solid 7/10. All its flaws were outweighed by the good parts tbh
The video is spot on. I believe the sonic boosted Martha or Rose’s phone to call their family. I agree about the sonic design. Guns aren’t stick shaped.
I completely agree about the facial expressions not matching what they were saying - I completely get it, they’re babies. BUT it was quite disorientating. My only reasoning behind them using this for their first episode could be that it was one of the weakest, and they want to end on a high note. With that said, I also agree with you how this could perhaps deter new viewers from continuing the series or just instantly dropping it. Very mixed feelings.
The episode and plot seemed a bit too childish but the space babies were very cute. I think they could have done the same concept but in a more nuanced mature way. Doctor who is technically for all ages, but typically feels suitable for children and adults, I felt like I was watching cbeebies.
Exactly! It was fine 1 minute but a whole episode of it made it embarrassing!
Cbeebies and the other children’s networks have more mature Syfy/mystery teen shows for years by now than Doctor who by now lol
I could hate on a lot of things but I'm not gonna do that. I'll just say one thing: introduction of the doctor is kind of Chibnaily.. In both episodes the Doctor is scared of the enemy and running and hiding away, yet in episode two Ruby says: "You're just gonna hide? You never do that!" From what ruby's seem Doctor almost always does that...
When I saw the snow and the reference to memories I immediately thought of “snow that remembers” from snowman
I think what made the Doctor’s speech (for me, at least) on surviving and the genocide of his people was the underlying connection Ncuti was probably feeling in that moment as a survivor of the Rwandan Genocide, the words he was saying probably hit home and made the scene so much more impactful
Murray Gold has great moments. But I really don’t like that he insists on putting music in every scene.
Indeed. And the music throughout was very prominent in the mix.
I think the reason for the lack of a cold open was that the episode picked up exactly where the Christmas Special ended.
Could’ve still had a cold open revolving around the space babies/space station
I view the bogeyman as a very shy person who hides under the bed out of fear, and tries to shoo people away by making noises. All he needs is affirmation and understanding.
My theory is that Ruby is the Doctor's Great Grandaughter - Susan, his grandaughter, has survived centuries after being left on Earth in 2064. She is the repeated character of Susan Twist, fragmented through time and insinuating herself into the Doctor's life. Susan is pointing the accusatory finger at the Doctor - she is leaving her child there for the Doctor to look after. Susan is the One Who Waited: The Doctor: One day I will return, yes one day." But he didn't so Susan has come looking for him.
I agree with this and was my thinking too, the only thing I can’t think of is why the Toymaker was so scared of her, assuming she is ‘the one who waits’ and how Susan has travelled through time and space in the case of Space Babies (although could of just travelled with the station from Earth).
My take on the Doctor's matter-of-fact-ness when explaining their name, and not shying away from it like they have in the past, is that it furthers the notion that this iteration of the Doctor is more accepting of their past and has come to terms with a lot of the parts that used to haunt them. Their whole delivery in this exposition scene seemed very self-realized to me, even the way they disclose the trauma of the genocide. Ever since the bigeneration, Fifteen's essence seems to be that they are now able to blossom after having worked through their past.
A down for me would be when The Doctor and Ruby were moving to a new location, the TARDIS didn’t move, it just stopped at their locations, we didn’t get to see the talking and showing Ruby the controls whilst the TARDIS was in orbit.
"Rose", "Smith and Jones" and "Patners In Crime" (and a good number of the Chibnall era too) also didn't have cold opens... it's not exclusively this episode that doesn’t
I loved the little girl's face, after the flamethrower! "DID YOU SEE THAT!?" 😂
I think it's even more important to save things that you DON'T feel connected to. It's easy to save things you love - and in a call back to the 12th Doctor we could almost invoke the whole "without reward, without witness" speech / ideal. Plus The Doctor himself points out that he is curious about new beings not scared of them; so the idea that he connects to things we don't is right on point.
After watching all the Jodie seasons leading up to this premiere, I found The Doctor’s exposition dump refreshing compared to 13th constant avoidance of telling her companions who she is or where she’s from. 15 is just like “This is who I am.” and I love how straightforward he’s being between this, the name thing, and telling Ruby directly that they can’t go mess with her past. This doctor is more open and honest than any we’ve had before and I’m here for it.
I powered up iPlayer a little early and watched The Church on Ruby Road while I was waiting, so I didn't see the new episode until about 00:30. Then I watched the second episode before going to bed. Then I watched them both live on BBC1 before watching the two Unleashed episodes on BBC3. I'm a traditionalist, I like to watch live TV when I can. After all, that was how I watched the first episode in 1963...
In the butterfly sequence I loved the "butterfly-effect-prevention-switch" when they entered the controlls
The biggest issue for me was the soundtrack- far too loud, needs dialling back (I had to put the subtitles on as the music drowned out the dialogue)
They really didn't close the story about the Bogeyman. Ruby mentioned that it was like one of the babies, but how will it co-exist with them? What did it live on for the 6 years it was alive? More bogeys??
Also... Did anyone else catch the the Doctor just flat out told Ruby and her family HIS NAME as he exited the TARDIS? Though it's still a mystery to us, it wasn't a mystery for them🤦🏻♀️
I watched Space Babies and The Devil‘s Cord thus morning on Disney+ as I'm from Germany! Fantastic! I love Fifteen and Ruby and I wanna travel with them! I especially love how all the elements of having a new companion is done all over again in such a great way, from Ruby asking questions to the Doctor explaining the basics about himself and the TARDIS to the reintroduction of turning the companion‘s phone into a superphone and giving them a TARDIS key!
I was confused when The Devil's Cord didn't pick up at Carla's flat (that was a bit jarring. I hope that there will be a flashback or so in the following episode) and when Ruby says "You know everything and you never run away", I was like: "How do you know, you've been on one adventure with him!". It was only when the Doctor returned the TARDIS to July 2024, that I was like: "Hang on, did they skip 7 months of travel and character development???"
I was wondering too that more than half a year had gone by. Did he travel a little by himself? She didn’t seem like she had travelled long with him.
The comment about the Doctor never running, I agree it was out of place so early.
I though the end of Devil’s Chord was bonkers. Fun and different, but bonkers! 😂
Maybe to leave room for Big Finish?
As far as I remember, the episodes are recorded and sometimes changed in order for broadcast. Maybe the episode with Maestro should be aired later in the episode schedule. We have something similar in season 2 from the RTD era, with the episode "The Girl in the Fireplace", where the relationship between Ten and Rose was addressed several times before and then no longer played a role. It was later discovered that this episode was actually written for season 1 and the ninth Doctor and was simply used later. So I think it's more of a scheduling error.
I don't know if anyone else noticed but at 11:49 into the episode when the doctor is trying to figure out what's wrong with the ship in a quick frame you can see someone walking past the door frame behind him. I would like to know if this was just an error or is somebody or something already stalking our main duo .
Hypothesis: If the Timeless Child is to play a part in this iteration of Dr. Who and if Ruby Sunday's identity also plays a part, the connection should be that Ruby is the incarnation of the Doctor (just) BEFORE she becomes the Timeless Child...and, so to this and the other incarnations of the Doctor. Her traveling in the TARDIS before makes her unstable when she is drawn through the portal. If this is what happens, I bet there is going to be a lot of timey whimey what ifs about what her incarnation was before she was Ruby. I'd like to see her being the next incarnation of the Doctor, creating a weird time loop
What if 14 came back and regenerated into her🤔
I have had a somewhat similar notion. That perhaps Ruby is actually from the same species as The Doctors. With their race dropping off their children all over the universe to collect information and one day they will call them all home to learn about things.
It’s a cool theory… but utterly ridiculous if you think about it for more than a minute. The doctors past, their history. It’s what CREATES the mystique about them. Do you really think RTD is going to retcon the entire show and fundamentally change entirely the way we view the doctor… like oh ruby is a pre Hartnell doctor? Are u serious?
@@lukebw6616this is RTD NuWho I hate to say it anything is possible. Look at what he did in the Devils Chord regarding Jinxs character - pulled that right out of his arse and goes "Boom it canon".
That would be shit tbh
17 years ago, my mom and I both discovered Doctor Who the same month, I found it on the SciFi network, my mom on PBS, and we both became instant fans. This year, we celebrated Mother’s Day on Saturday with by watching the new episodes in the early afternoon, then going out to dinner to discuss what parts Ellie was gonna like and dislike, as we both again discovered WhoCulture independently and became fans. Thanks for becoming part of our family tradition!
If you watched the Unleashed episode you'll see that the Boogieman costume the jaw section is quite open to allow the wearer to see, so it's likely those camera styles were chosen to hide some of that for cost reasons.
Also, the baby's mouths are based on the older voice actors (still children mind you) actual mo-capped facial movements, the process clearly still needs more work.....
I've been watching Dr Who since the Jon Pertwee days and IMHO I thought the "explanation for newbies" was well handled. Informative without being intrusive.
Baby Eric's look of distress, confusion, 'what the heck' are you saying expression cracked me up.
But when you consider that's a real baby in distress, it's not so funny. I can't stand babies but it all made me feel uncomfortable.
I know it came across like introduction for newbies exposition but I took something else from it... I literally was fighting tears because I think it was meant to show how different he is... how open and free with his life and past in this incarnation. He's not holding onto the pain and secrecy and shame anymore... he's willing to just open up and put himself out there... it definitely also worked that it doubled as an info dump for the new viewers but I honestly believe that the real purpose was to show how much he's healed and grown and is willing to just put himself out there... I could be wrong and it could have just been an exposition dump but I really think that was just a secondary benefit... if you look at everything he says and does, not just talking about his backstory stuff... he's just so open in a way I don't think we've ever really seen from the doctor who was responsible for Rule #1 ;)
I wanted to watch it at midnight but I fell asleep, so I watched both episodes at 6am and then again when they were shown on BBC 1. Love Ncuti Gatwa as the Doctor. He is brilliant.
I think the easiest resolution to Ruby actually changing things with The Butterfly Effect is that she is historically significant. Like being the mother of someone important or she brokers a peace that changed history. If anything stops her from doing one thing history changes.
Pity the Doc didn't (in his best Sir Richard Attenborough impression) do the (obvious) line, "Welcome to Jurassic Park!".
The phone thing that comes to mind from the Moffat era was in Eleventh Hour when 11 uses Rory's phone to call the Atraxi back and then does the "sorry" "for what?" "...the bill..." bit
I'm 50 the 4th is always going to be my doctor, that being said, the exposition at the beginning is necessary for anyone that hasn't watched before, without which, new fans wont jump on board. Dr who's reinvention keeps it going, but the links to the past give a salute to the old crusty fans like me. at the end of the day none of us get younger and new fans are important. to describe someone as a newbie is condescending. no one is more important just because they have watched it for longer. however cgi mouths on babies were a little jarring, but hey ho.
Well said. As a very crusty (and frequently grumpy) 55yo, I fully agree with every word of your comment. DW has become a generational institution. Without change and progression, things wither and die.
I love classic DW and always will, but I also fully approve of the way that the show continues to regenerate (see what I did there 😉) and the baton (Devil's chord reference intended 🤣) is passed on to the next generation to mold and shape the canon as they see fit.
My only issue would be with anything that overly retcons our heritage. They came close in Jodie's tenure and the jury's still out if Chibnall went too far. Overall though, 'I'm here' for this latest era and can't wait to see what comes next!
Agree with your opening take, my favorite one was "it's smaller on the outside."
Sorry. Didn't do it for me. In fact I found it quite irritating. At the moment, I'm not convinced by Ncuti Gatwa at all. Hopefully that will change as it goes on. x
And on the butterfly “gag” in the very next episode we’re told how changes like that don’t affect the companions because of the Doctor and the TARDIS travel. Yet here it was happening in real time. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
He also muttered something about needing to reboot the butterfly protection circuit or something like that. I'll have to re-watch with captions to catch the exact wording.
OK. I checked and got the exact wording. "The controlls are new, I completely forgot the butterfly compensation switch."
"I'm sure the sonic has been used this way before."
Yeah. Only in the single greatest two-part episode to ever introduce the Best Character ever.
Ellie, I'm really starting to doubt your River Song fan club credentials.
I thought yes, a little bit rich when 10 "Saves" River by inserting the sonic in a port.....
I can see that nobody seems willing to say that these two episodes are crap. The Doctor running from every scary encounter? The unrelenting movement and talking? The overacting on the part of Ncuti Gatwa? He doesn't strike fear into the heart of any monster or enemy, he seems weak and silly. This show is circling the drain.
Rose doesn't have a cold open either.
It certainly had a colder open with the zoom in to Rose's flat and then establishing story around who Rose is and remember world in which the story is going to take place.
neither does Partners in Crime.
@@quintuscrinis8032 nope, that scene takes place right after the credits.
@@Maeve_Rose true!
@@Maeve_Rose nor does Smith and Jones hehe
When Ellie talked about the babies not crying although the script seems to call for it, I thought of a story I heard from the Emma Thompson led version of "Sense and Sensibility". There's a scene where there's a husband and wife on the sidelines at one point, and they have their young baby with them. In the scene, Hugh Laurie as the husband is holding the baby a bit awkwardly and we hear baby crying, but the baby's face is against Laurie's shoulder. That apparently was because in the scene, the baby wouldn't cry. Every time Laurie held the baby, whether in a way the baby should have been uncomfortable or whatever, the baby would coo and gurgle happily. Thus, the choice was made to overlay a baby crying and have Laurie hold the baby against his shoulder to block view of the kid. I love the idea that Hugh Laurie is so good with kids that he couldn't make it uncomfortable.
IDW comics did do a Doctor Who Star trek: TNG crossover comic it's a great read would love if they referenced it in the show to make it cannon
Mortal enemies Disney and Paramount reference a non-canon crossover? That’s some strong weed you’re puffin’.
I think that line in the episode was indeed an intentional wink and nod to Assimilation^2. With RTD being a Trekkie and, well, kind of a Whovian, he has probably read it.
I just loved that I didn’t know what the heck was going to happen next. Being surprised, or laughing, or just staring at the screen, is one of the best parts of Doctor Who. Fantasy that you can predict doesn’t feel like fantasy anymore.
I've been a doctor who fan since the sixties. I hope it's not going to turn into a musical show. If it does it will become totally rubbish.
This episode would have been 10% better if it cut the butterfly effect thing and gave the actual plot more time
I think it will have a purpose in the future, just like Mavity and Susan Twist