When I read THE RINGING CEDARS OF RUSSIA (series of 10 books) - by Vladimir Megre, I felt a real empathy with their love of the Land! This is a great conversation, so interesting. Thank you!
❤very “well received” dropping knowledge, gaining wisdom! Thank you both! And Allen, I have a keen sense that if I didn’t already meet you in s past life, the future holds a good possibility in my meeting you during this lifetime! I’ve been highly interested in your re-research collections.
I love the light jab at England from the surrounding lands @15:00. I dont know why that was so funny. I think it had to be a carry over from some other interview. Speaking of the interview the topic of the legendary Arthur is going in a deeper path than I thought..also away from England
Mr. Pittman, "..(unseasonally long summers can alarm them (the England).." Mr. Barnwell, "Its because they dont get to wear all those sweaters" that was also funny but Mr. Barnwell knew that was too good not to take advantage of which was funny they didnt even stop at that.
This has been really informative and interesting, couple of "ahaaa!" moments here haha! thanks, guys! I also felt the change from living in another country/culture (Scandinavia)
Just started listening. Scythianos .... formed mystery school in Ireland, can you recommend anything I can read about him John? Also, I can't find Mark/Marc Aly's book Robert mentions. Thank you.
As to Skythianos / Scythianos you can search his name on the Rudolf Steiner Archive: As to the Hibernian Mysteries of Ireland &c. this is a good place to start: Rudolf Steiner, "Mystery Centers," Fourteen lectures delivered at Dornach, in November and December, 1923. (GA 232) Audio: ua-cam.com/video/pYUxwXxbqLI/v-deo.html Text: rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA232/English/GC1985/MysCen_index.html
"There is a fourth individuality named in history behind whom for those who have the proper comprehension, much lies hidden - an individuality still higher and more powerful than Skythianos, than Buddha or than Zarathustra. This individuality is Manes, and those who see more in Manichaeism than is usually the case know him to be a very high messenger of Christ. It is said that a few centuries after Christ had lived on the earth, there was held one of the greatest assemblies of the spiritual world connected with the earth that ever took place, and that there Manes gathered round him three mighty personalities of the fourth century after Christ. In this figurative description a most significant fact in connection with spiritual development is expressed. Manes called these persons together to consult with them as to the means of reintroducing the wisdom that had lived throughout the changing times of the post Atlantean age and of causing it to unfold more and more gloriously in the future. Who were the personalities brought together by Manes in that memorable assembly? (It should be remembered that such an event can only be witnessed by spiritual sight.) He called together the personality in whom Skythianos lived at that time, and also the physical reflection of the Buddha who had then appeared again, and the erstwhile Zarathustra who was wearing a physical body at that time. Around Manes was this council, himself in the centre and around him Skythianos, Buddha and Zarathustra. And in that council a plan was agreed upon for causing all the wisdom of the Bodhisattvas of the post-Atlantean time to flow more and more strongly into the future of mankind; and the plan of the future evolution of the civilisations of the earth then decided upon was adhered to and carried over into the European mysteries of the Rosy Cross. These particular mysteries have always been connected with the individualities of Skythianos, of Buddha and of Zarathustra. They were the teachers in the schools of the Rosy Cross; teachers who gave their wisdom to the earth as a gift, in order that through it the Christ Being might be understood. Hence in all spiritual Rosicrucian schools the deepest reverence is paid to these old initiates who preserved the primeval wisdom of Atlantis; to the re-incarnated Skythianos, in whom was seen the great and honoured Bodhisattva of the West; to the temporarily incarnated reflection of the Buddha, who also was honoured as one, of the Bodhisattvas; and finally to Zarathustra, the reincarnated Zarathustra. These were looked up to as the great Teachers of the European Initiates. Such presentations must not be taken in the sense of external history, although they elucidate the historical course of events better than any external description could do." Rudolf Steiner, East in the Light of the West, 9. The Bodhisattvas and the Christ, Munich Aug 31st, 1909 (CW 113) Text: rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA113/English/RSPC1940/19090831p01.html
It might be worth mentioning that the Russian government has talked about using genetic engineering on the old Scythian army. Somewhat like the Star Wars movies where they created the drone army. They want to revive these warriors due to accounts that they have a kind of clairvoyance from what I gather.
What land (in these areas Mr. Pittman mentions) would be considered a wilderness during the time during Jesus's time when I first met John the Baptist? Im just curious because I wonder if the "voice in the wilderness" is refering to a forest. I have been thinking about this for a few weeks.
"People who work honestly will not be able to understand the lines, “Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, who shall prepare thy way; the voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.” For they express either a triviality or something that cannot be understood. The concepts that make it possible to understand what Isaiah says here must first be acquired. For Isaiah pointed to the great, tremendous event that was to be the most significant event in human evolution. What was he really referring to? "Based upon what we already know, we can say what Isaiah prophesied. We can say that in ancient times humanity had a kind of clairvoyance that allowed people to grow into the divine-spiritual world with their soul forces. But what really happened when people grew thus into the spiritual world? They ceased to make use of the I, insofar as they had developed it at that time. Instead, they used their astral body, with its forces of vision and seership - whereas the forces rooted in the I were gradually awakened in the process of perceiving the physical world. It is the I that uses the senses as instruments. When the ancients sought enlightenment about the world, they employed their astral bodies. They saw and perceived in their astral bodies. Further evolution consisted in the transition from the use of the astral body to the use of the I. In regard to the I, the Christ impulse was the most intense impulse. If Christ is taken into the I in the sense of St. Paul's words, “It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me,” then the I will have the power to grow into the spiritual world through its own efforts. Formerly, only the astral body could do this." Rudolf Steiner rsarchive.org/Lectures/UniHuman/19101212p02.html
@@JohnBarnwell888 You know you had a great balance of guest incl. mr. pittman. Ive never studied the grail (other than monty python). It wasnt until I read the mysteries that I found a significant connection that I needed to understand spiritually. Im always trying to push the envelope to what I need to know. However.... I thought the Holy Grail mysteries were something hibernating in the background after 1 month of allowing the thoughts to simmer... I thought I move on until you bring up your favorite topic - the Grail Mysteries. I never was interested but now everytime the mysteries and or the grail gets brought up I get very interested in this. It is because your direction was taken from what I know is the correct streams, including the stream that I asked about- actually my 'I' am asks for me to know.
@@mit843 Thank you for your heartfelt comments. This should be helpful: The Birth of Christ Within Us, by Rudolf Steiner, lecture Berlin, December 27th, 1914 (CW ) Text: rsarchive.org/Lectures/Christmas/19141227a01.html Audio: www.rudolfsteineraudio.com/festvalsmeaning/08festivalsandtheirmeaningxmas.mp3
@@JohnBarnwell888 Thanks. Im going to read this very interesting lecture. Sorry about the handles and avatars. I like moving things around for a seperate reason. On a different note I have been developing these concepts based on recent observations in this case the use of the senses by the I . Steiner mentioned this in the lecture you gave me. Sometimes I think I have my own ideas only to realize I must have tappped into someone else's., Ive seen it with you and mr. gabriel recently in which you both saw things already
There's also a publication out of egypt from I think 2020 that found Akhenaten's Y DNA to be R1b. What I'd like to understand is the following: What is with the scandanavian haplogroup I? From my memory of looking at publically available phylogenetic trees online, that suggests that a large fraction of scandanavians are more closely related paternally to arabs and ashkenazi jews (Y haplogroup J) than they are to "celts" or russians (haplogroup R). Does the germanic language group have its origins tied to one of these fatherlines, and if so which? The other wild card factor is the high prevalence of haplogroup R among modern day levites.
These are complicated issues, as you know; consequently the 'Genetic Landscape' changes every six months or so due to the increasing sample size. Time will tell... Nonetheless we have this older report from 2011 that caused rumblings amongst the current Egyptians: "The results showed that King Tut belonged to a genetic profile group, known as haplogroup R1b1a2, to which more than 50 percent of all men in Western Europe belong, indicating that they share a common ancestor. Among modern-day Egyptians this haplogroup contingent is below 1 percent." As for Indo-European haplogroups this website is helpful: indo-european.eu/2021/01/recent-yamnaya-related-intrusion-in-a-denmark-late-neolithic-burial/ As for Haplogroup I? Let's just say, they get around don't they? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I_(mtDNA)
if we are talking about the hyperboreans then we have to talk about the cosmic event of Golgotha, cosmic is a word not to be used lightly. Cosmic events are physically local but global in scope. The word global denotes in this case when a zodiac formation occurs. These things effect the cosmos within that point in time. So what is the cosmic event in Golgotha. It was when somethinng in the cosmos aligned. However, unlike a cycle, this event was a one time event. One should think of it like the beginning or the birth or the creation. Once that first cause gets set there can no longer be another first of that event. That instant was when the sun turned blood. It wasnt when the sky turned dark nor was it when the body of Jesus died. Those things arent studied in "the charts". The event that shaped the zodiac from that point came from space and it streamed down to us and at that instant if you were exposed to it you could change consciousness if prepared. Steiner spoke about people connected to the stars felt the event from even the other side of the world. The even felt it on the other side of time. This time of Golgotha shook exactly the same time those hyperborean inititates felt Golgotha. What is simultaneous with Golgatha is independent of time as a fourth dimension. Instead Golgotha momentarity made time as space. Or wormhole. Douglas Gabriel can help explain this but when something like this is created the person within its "force field" changes conosciousness or goes to a higher level of awareness. This is because when we stop thinking of consciousness as something that is occuring (as in outside the material) then we can understand how consciousness is also a physical quality- at the lowest form a mineral quality and at the highest form the highest heavenly and clairvoyant qualities. If consciousness is physical does it mean we can push it, see it or feel it? No, not at all. The physical doesnt stop at the 5 senses. More accurately, the material world has yes 3 dimensions. Just because we have 5 (basic) senses doesnt mean we have 5 dimensions. Also, just because something can be picked up by the senses doesnt mean its arithmanic. For instance the sense of art. It is a sense. Lets assume it is a physical sense but not restricted as just a physical sense. So when someone says they need evidence from books they fault themselves when they think that in the future science will just rely on paper evidence. Something material is evidence in the fact that youo can see its effect on another thing. In the future people will understand machine learning will help them accurately fill in missing links. Its alreeady being done in the physical sciences. In regards to ourselves these things will help us understand how to ouse them correctly. This means if something is missing then we can use it to navigate the material world. Its a map. This also allows us to see what scope a situtation we are facing. We use machines in a moral mannner in many ways in regards to intellectual property. thats a first step to helping these new foound electron elementals.
Yes, the incarnation of Christ was a transformation of the Cosmos including for the Celestial Hierarchies. Furthermore, Rudolf Steiner says to the effect that were we to lose all books it could be reconstructed through the Akashic Record. And he also says that, in the future machines will exists that will only operate due to the moral forces of the operator.
The Polychronicon Of Merlin, Joseph & Arthur, by Mark Olly
www.amazon.com/Polychronicon-Merlin-Joseph-Arthur/dp/B0BKS5ZZ6J/
When I read THE RINGING CEDARS OF RUSSIA (series of 10 books) - by Vladimir Megre, I felt a real empathy with their love of the Land! This is a great conversation, so interesting. Thank you!
❤very “well received” dropping knowledge, gaining wisdom! Thank you both! And Allen, I have a keen sense that if I didn’t already meet you in s past life, the future holds a good possibility in my meeting you during this lifetime! I’ve been highly interested in your re-research collections.
THANKYOU !❤🙏❤🦁...
So interesting, much to absorb and I can not, not enough time. Many thanks for sharing your knowledge, I enjoyed hearing so much I do not know♥️
I am doing personal research on the metaphysical/mystical Arthur via Steiner's info. Thank you for this excellent discussion.
2 master scholars at it with encyclopedic knowledge! Many thanks 😊
Great talk! Hope you two continue in the future
Thank you all you're much too kind; yes Robert is very special...
Looking forward to more of these conversations.
I love the light jab at England from the surrounding lands @15:00. I dont know why that was so funny. I think it had to be a carry over from some other interview. Speaking of the interview the topic of the legendary Arthur is going in a deeper path than I thought..also away from England
Mr. Pittman, "..(unseasonally long summers can alarm them (the England).." Mr. Barnwell, "Its because they dont get to wear all those sweaters" that was also funny but Mr. Barnwell knew that was too good not to take advantage of which was funny they didnt even stop at that.
This has been really informative and interesting, couple of "ahaaa!" moments here haha! thanks, guys! I also felt the change from living in another country/culture (Scandinavia)
Just started listening. Scythianos .... formed mystery school in Ireland, can you recommend anything I can read about him John? Also, I can't find Mark/Marc Aly's book Robert mentions. Thank you.
As to Skythianos / Scythianos you can search his name on the Rudolf Steiner Archive:
As to the Hibernian Mysteries of Ireland &c. this is a good place to start:
Rudolf Steiner, "Mystery Centers," Fourteen lectures delivered at Dornach, in November and December, 1923.
(GA 232)
Audio:
ua-cam.com/video/pYUxwXxbqLI/v-deo.html
Text:
rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA232/English/GC1985/MysCen_index.html
"There is a fourth individuality named in history behind whom for those who have the proper comprehension, much lies hidden - an individuality still higher and more powerful than Skythianos, than Buddha or than Zarathustra. This individuality is Manes, and those who see more in Manichaeism than is usually the case know him to be a very high messenger of Christ. It is said that a few centuries after Christ had lived on the earth, there was held one of the greatest assemblies of the spiritual world connected with the earth that ever took place, and that there Manes gathered round him three mighty personalities of the fourth century after Christ. In this figurative description a most significant fact in connection with spiritual development is expressed. Manes called these persons together to consult with them as to the means of reintroducing the wisdom that had lived throughout the changing times of the post Atlantean age and of causing it to unfold more and more gloriously in the future. Who were the personalities brought together by Manes in that memorable assembly? (It should be remembered that such an event can only be witnessed by spiritual sight.) He called together the personality in whom Skythianos lived at that time, and also the physical reflection of the Buddha who had then appeared again, and the erstwhile Zarathustra who was wearing a physical body at that time. Around Manes was this council, himself in the centre and around him Skythianos, Buddha and Zarathustra. And in that council a plan was agreed upon for causing all the wisdom of the Bodhisattvas of the post-Atlantean time to flow more and more strongly into the future of mankind; and the plan of the future evolution of the civilisations of the earth then decided upon was adhered to and carried over into the European mysteries of the Rosy Cross. These particular mysteries have always been connected with the individualities of Skythianos, of Buddha and of Zarathustra. They were the teachers in the schools of the Rosy Cross; teachers who gave their wisdom to the earth as a gift, in order that through it the Christ Being might be understood. Hence in all spiritual Rosicrucian schools the deepest reverence is paid to these old initiates who preserved the primeval wisdom of Atlantis; to the re-incarnated Skythianos, in whom was seen the great and honoured Bodhisattva of the West; to the temporarily incarnated reflection of the Buddha, who also was honoured as one, of the Bodhisattvas; and finally to Zarathustra, the reincarnated Zarathustra. These were looked up to as the great Teachers of the European Initiates. Such presentations must not be taken in the sense of external history, although they elucidate the historical course of events better than any external description could do." Rudolf Steiner, East in the Light of the West, 9. The Bodhisattvas and the Christ, Munich Aug 31st, 1909 (CW 113)
Text:
rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA113/English/RSPC1940/19090831p01.html
The Polychronicon Of Merlin, Joseph & Arthur, by Mark Olly
www.amazon.com/Polychronicon-Merlin-Joseph-Arthur/dp/B0BKS5ZZ6J/
@@JohnBarnwell888 Thank you John for all these wonderful links, wow~!! And sharing your knowledge and wisdom always : ))
@@JohnBarnwell888 Amazing.
It might be worth mentioning that the Russian government has talked about using genetic engineering on the old Scythian army. Somewhat like the Star Wars movies where they created the drone army. They want to revive these warriors due to accounts that they have a kind of clairvoyance from what I gather.
Interesting, as the ancient clairvoyance of mankind is tied into the Mysteries of Time and not merely inherently due to the genetics.
The Gulf Stream gets up that way I believe
What land (in these areas Mr. Pittman mentions) would be considered a wilderness during the time during Jesus's time when I first met John the Baptist? Im just curious because I wonder if the "voice in the wilderness" is refering to a forest. I have been thinking about this for a few weeks.
"People who work honestly will not be able to understand the lines, “Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, who shall prepare thy way; the voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.” For they express either a triviality or something that cannot be understood. The concepts that make it possible to understand what Isaiah says here must first be acquired. For Isaiah pointed to the great, tremendous event that was to be the most significant event in human evolution. What was he really referring to?
"Based upon what we already know, we can say what Isaiah prophesied. We can say that in ancient times humanity had a kind of clairvoyance that allowed people to grow into the divine-spiritual world with their soul forces. But what really happened when people grew thus into the spiritual world? They ceased to make use of the I, insofar as they had developed it at that time. Instead, they used their astral body, with its forces of vision and seership - whereas the forces rooted in the I were gradually awakened in the process of perceiving the physical world. It is the I that uses the senses as instruments. When the ancients sought enlightenment about the world, they employed their astral bodies. They saw and perceived in their astral bodies. Further evolution consisted in the transition from the use of the astral body to the use of the I. In regard to the I, the Christ impulse was the most intense impulse. If Christ is taken into the I in the sense of St. Paul's words, “It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me,” then the I will have the power to grow into the spiritual world through its own efforts. Formerly, only the astral body could do this." Rudolf Steiner
rsarchive.org/Lectures/UniHuman/19101212p02.html
@@JohnBarnwell888 You know you had a great balance of guest incl. mr. pittman. Ive never studied the grail (other than monty python). It wasnt until I read the mysteries that I found a significant connection that I needed to understand spiritually. Im always trying to push the envelope to what I need to know. However.... I thought the Holy Grail mysteries were something hibernating in the background after 1 month of allowing the thoughts to simmer... I thought I move on until you bring up your favorite topic - the Grail Mysteries. I never was interested but now everytime the mysteries and or the grail gets brought up I get very interested in this. It is because your direction was taken from what I know is the correct streams, including the stream that I asked about- actually my 'I' am asks for me to know.
@@mit843 Thank you for your heartfelt comments. This should be helpful:
The Birth of Christ Within Us, by Rudolf Steiner, lecture Berlin, December 27th, 1914 (CW ) Text: rsarchive.org/Lectures/Christmas/19141227a01.html
Audio: www.rudolfsteineraudio.com/festvalsmeaning/08festivalsandtheirmeaningxmas.mp3
@@JohnBarnwell888 Thanks. Im going to read this very interesting lecture. Sorry about the handles and avatars. I like moving things around for a seperate reason. On a different note I have been developing these concepts based on recent observations in this case the use of the senses by the I . Steiner mentioned this in the lecture you gave me. Sometimes I think I have my own ideas only to realize I must have tappped into someone else's., Ive seen it with you and mr. gabriel recently in which you both saw things already
There's also a publication out of egypt from I think 2020 that found Akhenaten's Y DNA to be R1b. What I'd like to understand is the following: What is with the scandanavian haplogroup I? From my memory of looking at publically available phylogenetic trees online, that suggests that a large fraction of scandanavians are more closely related paternally to arabs and ashkenazi jews (Y haplogroup J) than they are to "celts" or russians (haplogroup R). Does the germanic language group have its origins tied to one of these fatherlines, and if so which? The other wild card factor is the high prevalence of haplogroup R among modern day levites.
These are complicated issues, as you know; consequently the 'Genetic Landscape' changes every six months or so due to the increasing sample size. Time will tell... Nonetheless we have this older report from 2011 that caused rumblings amongst the current Egyptians:
"The results showed that King Tut belonged to a genetic profile group, known as haplogroup R1b1a2, to which more than 50 percent of all men in Western Europe belong, indicating that they share a common ancestor. Among modern-day Egyptians this haplogroup contingent is below 1 percent."
As for Indo-European haplogroups this website is helpful:
indo-european.eu/2021/01/recent-yamnaya-related-intrusion-in-a-denmark-late-neolithic-burial/
As for Haplogroup I? Let's just say, they get around don't they?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I_(mtDNA)
if we are talking about the hyperboreans then we have to talk about the cosmic event of Golgotha, cosmic is a word not to be used lightly. Cosmic events are physically local but global in scope. The word global denotes in this case when a zodiac formation occurs. These things effect the cosmos within that point in time. So what is the cosmic event in Golgotha. It was when somethinng in the cosmos aligned. However, unlike a cycle, this event was a one time event. One should think of it like the beginning or the birth or the creation. Once that first cause gets set there can no longer be another first of that event. That instant was when the sun turned blood. It wasnt when the sky turned dark nor was it when the body of Jesus died. Those things arent studied in "the charts". The event that shaped the zodiac from that point came from space and it streamed down to us and at that instant if you were exposed to it you could change consciousness if prepared. Steiner spoke about people connected to the stars felt the event from even the other side of the world. The even felt it on the other side of time. This time of Golgotha shook exactly the same time those hyperborean inititates felt Golgotha. What is simultaneous with Golgatha is independent of time as a fourth dimension. Instead Golgotha momentarity made time as space. Or wormhole. Douglas Gabriel can help explain this but when something like this is created the person within its "force field" changes conosciousness or goes to a higher level of awareness. This is because when we stop thinking of consciousness as something that is occuring (as in outside the material) then we can understand how consciousness is also a physical quality- at the lowest form a mineral quality and at the highest form the highest heavenly and clairvoyant qualities. If consciousness is physical does it mean we can push it, see it or feel it? No, not at all. The physical doesnt stop at the 5 senses. More accurately, the material world has yes 3 dimensions. Just because we have 5 (basic) senses doesnt mean we have 5 dimensions. Also, just because something can be picked up by the senses doesnt mean its arithmanic. For instance the sense of art. It is a sense. Lets assume it is a physical sense but not restricted as just a physical sense. So when someone says they need evidence from books they fault themselves when they think that in the future science will just rely on paper evidence. Something material is evidence in the fact that youo can see its effect on another thing. In the future people will understand machine learning will help them accurately fill in missing links. Its alreeady being done in the physical sciences. In regards to ourselves these things will help us understand how to ouse them correctly. This means if something is missing then we can use it to navigate the material world. Its a map. This also allows us to see what scope a situtation we are facing. We use machines in a moral mannner in many ways in regards to intellectual property. thats a first step to helping these new foound electron elementals.
Yes, the incarnation of Christ was a transformation of the Cosmos including for the Celestial Hierarchies. Furthermore, Rudolf Steiner says to the effect that were we to lose all books it could be reconstructed through the Akashic Record. And he also says that, in the future machines will exists that will only operate due to the moral forces of the operator.