Im deployed right now and have an MSV issued to me. Its still only issues on a very limited scale and most units still run IOTV's. I had a lot higher hopes for the MSV. I didnt get one on my deployment 2 years ago and opted to run my old Tactical Tailor RAC. Having got one this time around i thought it would be much better. It is nice in that its very scaleable. If your job requires you to go from clandestine stuff one day to a direct action loadout the next it works well. However in the full kit loadout the big stupid shoulder buckles suck, the material seems to still trap heat under the vest and I havent been able to get the shoulder straps to cinch up enough to wear it high up around my collar bones where i prefer it. The molle set up limits your space to carry some gear and theres no provision to run a dangler, or side pouches off the front plate bag or a roll one or other items off the rear. The webbing spacing on the rear plate bag is also a little weird so i had trouble mounting some of my backpanel bags. I wore it for about 3 months and ended up having my wife send my Ferro FCPC5. Overall i think its a substantial improvement over the IOTV but it just seems to fall short for me
Marines had the SPC for over a decade. Army was still using the IOTV. I had to use the IOTV (Air Force) until my unit in Afghanistan bought us Tactical Tailor plate carrier. Day and night difference. Glad to see the Army is upgrading to MSV. Nice to see Qore Performance add-ons to improve the soldiers' performances.
Given the totality of the circumstances with the MSV, we do what we can with CATAMARAN, ICEVENTS® Aero, and IMS Versa to help mitigate some of the areas where the MSV appears to present some challenges for end-users like Thermal Transmittance. Our upgrades are not a Silver Bullet for the MSV, but they do help significantly and make it useable. #StayFrosty
That’s one of the things I never understood in the army we would ruck with chest rigs but then in the field we would be killing ourself because we had to Rick with the iotv it made sense to it’s like the army makes great systems but has no idea how to ingratiate them together
Was part of the initial fielding to the 82nd a couple years back. It is definitely an improvement over the IOTV. So far I’ve only made two changes. The first I recommend is shoulder pads, just makes it a little more comfortable. The second is removing the shoulder buckles since they get in the way. Due to how the MSV was designed all it takes is a gerber/ pliers to pop the connection off the buckles and the vest has more than enough material to run through the metal loops. Yeah, you lose the quick detach ability in the shoulders, but dawning and doffing the vest is still super easy. It’s also nice since most of the people who got the initial issue were given shooter cut plates that weigh significantly less than the old bricks for the IOTV. Unfortunately the Army from what I’ve seen hasn’t issued the shooter cuts since that initial fielding. One other recommendation I have is upgrading the cumberbund. I know I few who’ve changed over to a first spear tubes system and it works great. If anyone has any other questions about it, feel free to ask.
I currently have been issued the msv and have to wear it daily. It is an improvement of the iotv hands down BUT it still has a long way to go. I love the coverage that it offers but I had the buckles in the front it make the front stick out more once you attach mag pouches. The velcro on the soft plate inserts are trash. The soft plate insert has no molle what so ever so if you have to wear it as a armour vest on the outside of your uniform you have no mounting what so ever. Come on army let's get caught up with the times. There are so many better options you can get for cheaper and have better options and be lighter and breathable.
In our testing, while the MSV objectively does not perform well in Thermal Transmittance, our CATAMARAN and IMS Versa upgrades do help significantly for convective and conductive relief, respectively.
Anyone wanna say how shitty the buckles are and how they get stuck after use in the sand and how the material is hot af and how it feels like your wearing plastic in the sun or how the army should just let us wear better plate carriers then the issued bs
Here are the big takeaways I've noticed withe the MSV. The Army wants to stick with a quick release mechanism and is sticking with the buckles from the Gen 3/4 of the IOTV. The cummerbund buckles can get in the way of having as low of a profile as possible when prone and the shoulder buckles can interfere with extra straps such as an assault pack. The shoulder pads aren't as comfy as they could be. The way they tell you to have the entire system (two vests) stuffed in one another when using the overt setup is weird. You have extra fabric that doesn't provide extra protection for no real reason beyond maintaining accountability of every flap of velcro. Having zippers is also not the best idea since they are harder to "fix." You can't really fix your body armor in the field but choosing zippers to hold your body armor together isn't a smart idea. It is far better than an ITOV. It is more compact, lighter weight, the plates are cut better for shouldering weapons, and more breathable. That said, this is a slow but steady improvement in body armor. Since so many parts are easily changed, they could come out with upgrade kits as opposed to whole new systems going forward. It won't fix all the issues that are core components of the vest such as the zippers on the front and back.
Idk why the military is so caught up on the bullshit quick ditch system. The MSV sucks so bad. It doesn’t breathe, the shoulder buckles make shouldering a rifle nearly impossible, the buckles being *on* the cummerbund makes mounting pouches damn near impossible, the large coverage makes it horrible to move flexibly, and the shoulder pads suck BAD. My back and shoulders have never hurt more and I’ve only worn it a few weeks.
All that and unlike the Osprey system used in the UK the MSV has yet to prove its protective qualities worth the downsides. Despite the Osprey MK4 and 3 being a heavy pig to wear many soldiers have sworn by them because of the level of protection they afforded to user was unheard of in other armor systems. You can look up many stories of UK soldiers walking home alive because of the sheer level of protection the osprey system provided to them, with many surviving direct hits from steel core 7.62x54mmR where other body armor systems likely would have failed or at the very least left a debilitating injury.
@@123asap6 the British are like this with everything. No frame of reference, obvious problems, but in the end it HAS to be good because it worked at all. It's exactly the same as talking to a Brit about SA80, or Challenger II. Troops from multiple countries survived 7.62x54mmR and similar rounds when they expected not to, hell, there's dozens of instances of helmets rated to stop handgun rounds only stopping proper rifle rounds from AKs and on occasion, yes, even 7.62x54mmR from PKM. The way you talk about the "protective qualities" being "unproven" is absolutely bizarre. The MSV isn't the armor, it holds the armor. It doesn't matter what you put that plate in, if it's not expired or otherwise damaged, it'll provide the protection it's stated to. An NIJ IV plate will stop black tip 30-06 at a specific velocity or lower. An NIJ III plate will stop 7.62 NATO lead core ball at a specified velocity. So on and so forth. I've no doubt Osprey as an overall system saved lives. But the actual carrier itself is pretty much a bag that the lifesaving armor sat in. The point of comparing all these carriers is that there is always room for improvement in how that armor is carried, and how external pouches and gear is carried. MSV does not need to "prove its protective qualities", nor does Osprey or any other plate carrier. The armor is a known quantity, and it will reliably do what it is supposed to. MSV/Osprey/USMC PC Gen 2/3, whatever you want to compare, need to hold the armor and gear on the body in the lightest, most durable, thermally ideal way to keep the guy wearing it as unburdened as possible by the weight and at the right temperature.
@@superfamilyallosauridae6505 What I meant is are the benefits worth the trade-off's. For example is it comfortable to wear and all the other not so easily quantifiable metrics. Even trash body armor rigs (unlikely unless chinese) is body armor but beyond a certain point you have to make concessions that the downsides are not worth whatever protection they do provide. The OP of the comment thread mentioned that MSV was not breathable, and is poor on ergonomics (especially regarding shouldering a rifle) and likely other issues only the wearer can understand. The point I am trying to make is that at the moment, Osprey plate carriers while initially getting a bad rap due to its design downsides proved well worth them via their higher than contemporary armor system protective qualities especially with their proprietary strike plates, and later improvements did fix some of the ergonomics. Though heavy, they are one of the few earlier systems capable of reliably stopping AP 7.26x54mmR that some insurgent snipers use. MSV plate carriers for now still needs time to either cook or they straight up replace it with something better based on feedback if it can't be fixed in future versions, IE comfort and ergonomics are so bad to the point that the protection becomes somewhat moot. After all, if you can't shoulder your rifle, move your arms, or get a heat stroke while just walking around in the armor rig it is not worth the protection to many people. Grunts get what they get but people like SF often trend towards smaller plate carriers exactly because to them, ergonomics is worth more than total protection, and the complaints from both groups about bloated armor systems are relatively similar, mostly trashing on their poor ergonomics, even if the protection is appreciated.
Man is an absolute unit.
Im deployed right now and have an MSV issued to me. Its still only issues on a very limited scale and most units still run IOTV's. I had a lot higher hopes for the MSV. I didnt get one on my deployment 2 years ago and opted to run my old Tactical Tailor RAC. Having got one this time around i thought it would be much better. It is nice in that its very scaleable. If your job requires you to go from clandestine stuff one day to a direct action loadout the next it works well. However in the full kit loadout the big stupid shoulder buckles suck, the material seems to still trap heat under the vest and I havent been able to get the shoulder straps to cinch up enough to wear it high up around my collar bones where i prefer it. The molle set up limits your space to carry some gear and theres no provision to run a dangler, or side pouches off the front plate bag or a roll one or other items off the rear. The webbing spacing on the rear plate bag is also a little weird so i had trouble mounting some of my backpanel bags. I wore it for about 3 months and ended up having my wife send my Ferro FCPC5. Overall i think its a substantial improvement over the IOTV but it just seems to fall short for me
Thanks for that the heat being trapped under is a huge thing for me
Probably another solution to sell so you have to put a little more cash into it to make it feel cool and comfortable
@@JR-ld1et yeah that’s def what it is.
As an army vet who was issued the acu&ocp iotv...id gladly dawn this over the iotv.
Marines had the SPC for over a decade. Army was still using the IOTV. I had to use the IOTV (Air Force) until my unit in Afghanistan bought us Tactical Tailor plate carrier. Day and night difference. Glad to see the Army is upgrading to MSV. Nice to see Qore Performance add-ons to improve the soldiers' performances.
Given the totality of the circumstances with the MSV, we do what we can with CATAMARAN, ICEVENTS® Aero, and IMS Versa to help mitigate some of the areas where the MSV appears to present some challenges for end-users like Thermal Transmittance. Our upgrades are not a Silver Bullet for the MSV, but they do help significantly and make it useable. #StayFrosty
This video was really well done. Clear and informative.
Glad it was helpful! #StayFrosty
Buckles on the shoulder straps are a shitty idea. What about packs on top, big army is well known for heavily overloading troops
That’s one of the things I never understood in the army we would ruck with chest rigs but then in the field we would be killing ourself because we had to Rick with the iotv it made sense to it’s like the army makes great systems but has no idea how to ingratiate them together
Was part of the initial fielding to the 82nd a couple years back. It is definitely an improvement over the IOTV. So far I’ve only made two changes. The first I recommend is shoulder pads, just makes it a little more comfortable. The second is removing the shoulder buckles since they get in the way. Due to how the MSV was designed all it takes is a gerber/ pliers to pop the connection off the buckles and the vest has more than enough material to run through the metal loops. Yeah, you lose the quick detach ability in the shoulders, but dawning and doffing the vest is still super easy. It’s also nice since most of the people who got the initial issue were given shooter cut plates that weigh significantly less than the old bricks for the IOTV. Unfortunately the Army from what I’ve seen hasn’t issued the shooter cuts since that initial fielding. One other recommendation I have is upgrading the cumberbund. I know I few who’ve changed over to a first spear tubes system and it works great. If anyone has any other questions about it, feel free to ask.
I currently have been issued the msv and have to wear it daily. It is an improvement of the iotv hands down BUT it still has a long way to go. I love the coverage that it offers but I had the buckles in the front it make the front stick out more once you attach mag pouches. The velcro on the soft plate inserts are trash. The soft plate insert has no molle what so ever so if you have to wear it as a armour vest on the outside of your uniform you have no mounting what so ever. Come on army let's get caught up with the times. There are so many better options you can get for cheaper and have better options and be lighter and breathable.
In our testing, while the MSV objectively does not perform well in Thermal Transmittance, our CATAMARAN and IMS Versa upgrades do help significantly for convective and conductive relief, respectively.
Anyone wanna say how shitty the buckles are and how they get stuck after use in the sand and how the material is hot af and how it feels like your wearing plastic in the sun or how the army should just let us wear better plate carriers then the issued bs
All I know is that I hate the IOTV
everybody reviewing it but no one is posting about how to put it together
Doesn’t the Army provide y’all with training/instructions for how to assemble/use it?
Here are the big takeaways I've noticed withe the MSV. The Army wants to stick with a quick release mechanism and is sticking with the buckles from the Gen 3/4 of the IOTV. The cummerbund buckles can get in the way of having as low of a profile as possible when prone and the shoulder buckles can interfere with extra straps such as an assault pack. The shoulder pads aren't as comfy as they could be. The way they tell you to have the entire system (two vests) stuffed in one another when using the overt setup is weird. You have extra fabric that doesn't provide extra protection for no real reason beyond maintaining accountability of every flap of velcro. Having zippers is also not the best idea since they are harder to "fix." You can't really fix your body armor in the field but choosing zippers to hold your body armor together isn't a smart idea. It is far better than an ITOV. It is more compact, lighter weight, the plates are cut better for shouldering weapons, and more breathable. That said, this is a slow but steady improvement in body armor. Since so many parts are easily changed, they could come out with upgrade kits as opposed to whole new systems going forward. It won't fix all the issues that are core components of the vest such as the zippers on the front and back.
Thanks for your contribution and sharing your thoughts. We’re actually working on an upgrade kit as we type this reply.
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Idk why the military is so caught up on the bullshit quick ditch system. The MSV sucks so bad. It doesn’t breathe, the shoulder buckles make shouldering a rifle nearly impossible, the buckles being *on* the cummerbund makes mounting pouches damn near impossible, the large coverage makes it horrible to move flexibly, and the shoulder pads suck BAD. My back and shoulders have never hurt more and I’ve only worn it a few weeks.
All that and unlike the Osprey system used in the UK the MSV has yet to prove its protective qualities worth the downsides. Despite the Osprey MK4 and 3 being a heavy pig to wear many soldiers have sworn by them because of the level of protection they afforded to user was unheard of in other armor systems. You can look up many stories of UK soldiers walking home alive because of the sheer level of protection the osprey system provided to them, with many surviving direct hits from steel core 7.62x54mmR where other body armor systems likely would have failed or at the very least left a debilitating injury.
@@123asap6 the British are like this with everything. No frame of reference, obvious problems, but in the end it HAS to be good because it worked at all. It's exactly the same as talking to a Brit about SA80, or Challenger II.
Troops from multiple countries survived 7.62x54mmR and similar rounds when they expected not to, hell, there's dozens of instances of helmets rated to stop handgun rounds only stopping proper rifle rounds from AKs and on occasion, yes, even 7.62x54mmR from PKM.
The way you talk about the "protective qualities" being "unproven" is absolutely bizarre. The MSV isn't the armor, it holds the armor. It doesn't matter what you put that plate in, if it's not expired or otherwise damaged, it'll provide the protection it's stated to. An NIJ IV plate will stop black tip 30-06 at a specific velocity or lower. An NIJ III plate will stop 7.62 NATO lead core ball at a specified velocity. So on and so forth.
I've no doubt Osprey as an overall system saved lives. But the actual carrier itself is pretty much a bag that the lifesaving armor sat in. The point of comparing all these carriers is that there is always room for improvement in how that armor is carried, and how external pouches and gear is carried.
MSV does not need to "prove its protective qualities", nor does Osprey or any other plate carrier. The armor is a known quantity, and it will reliably do what it is supposed to. MSV/Osprey/USMC PC Gen 2/3, whatever you want to compare, need to hold the armor and gear on the body in the lightest, most durable, thermally ideal way to keep the guy wearing it as unburdened as possible by the weight and at the right temperature.
@@superfamilyallosauridae6505 What I meant is are the benefits worth the trade-off's. For example is it comfortable to wear and all the other not so easily quantifiable metrics. Even trash body armor rigs (unlikely unless chinese) is body armor but beyond a certain point you have to make concessions that the downsides are not worth whatever protection they do provide.
The OP of the comment thread mentioned that MSV was not breathable, and is poor on ergonomics (especially regarding shouldering a rifle) and likely other issues only the wearer can understand. The point I am trying to make is that at the moment, Osprey plate carriers while initially getting a bad rap due to its design downsides proved well worth them via their higher than contemporary armor system protective qualities especially with their proprietary strike plates, and later improvements did fix some of the ergonomics. Though heavy, they are one of the few earlier systems capable of reliably stopping AP 7.26x54mmR that some insurgent snipers use.
MSV plate carriers for now still needs time to either cook or they straight up replace it with something better based on feedback if it can't be fixed in future versions, IE comfort and ergonomics are so bad to the point that the protection becomes somewhat moot. After all, if you can't shoulder your rifle, move your arms, or get a heat stroke while just walking around in the armor rig it is not worth the protection to many people. Grunts get what they get but people like SF often trend towards smaller plate carriers exactly because to them, ergonomics is worth more than total protection, and the complaints from both groups about bloated armor systems are relatively similar, mostly trashing on their poor ergonomics, even if the protection is appreciated.
what are those peltors?
Gotta say the man handsome asf
Wow 😳
Is this a ford comercial