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Jev is straight up Socrates reincarnated but with video games
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99% of his viewers prolly don't even know who Socrates was
@@beefynfn I'd say it's probably more like 50-50
@@beefynfn most people high school lvl or higher heard of socrates, Aristotle, or Plato... atleast i hope
@@albertovaldivia6132 there's a difference between hearing about someone and knowing about them
99% of people have heard about them but only 1% of people actually cared to remember anything about them
whos here from todays video
Had to come back to rewatch
Had to rewatch😂
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Real gotta recap this shit 💀
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Getting rid of the obnoxious weapon sway mechanics and cleaning up some of the ironsights would go a long way for MnK players without affecting controller players at all. The thing that usually goes unsaid in AA discussions is how it covers up visibility and sway issues that uniquely affect MnK players.
exactly
that's quite literally the biggest issue that they don't wanna adress in mw2 there was so much smoke coming from the gun that I couldn't even track enemies in the dark lol
Agreed. I don’t even care about AA being strong, just remove these shitty sway mechanics and fix the input issues.
For real. I get tapped by a pistol bullet across the map and my aim goes into the sky, yet I've had killcams where I'm lighting someone up with HIGH damage weapons and their aim doesn't even move a millimeter.
@@Zenofortthat’s me with a sidewinder in the gulag.
I think what upsets the mnk players the worst is spectating whoever killed them and seeing someone that can barely walk through a doorway or get around a corner looking at the ground and the sky but somehow magically had god aim for the brief fight they had. Getting killed by someone who is garbage at everything with a lucky aim assist pull is so frustrating.
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Lmao. Oh? You put in 20 years of practice to hone your skills have you? Dream on Mnk buphoon. You'll never beat Timmy 😂😂😂😂 it's a slap in the face what they did us mkb players. Literally insane.
this is definitely true. And it is even more annoying when you're physically able to see the rotational aim assist working.
yeah, it happens a lot in warzone, especially in close up engagements, I don’t mind when I die to the player who’s slide cancelling and moving around with great aim, I care when it’s the guy you described
SPITTING FACTS!!!
Jev didn’t mention it, but Aim Assist on controller can actually screw you over in certain situations. Primarily if two enemy players are close in proximity, or if they cross paths, the aim assist goes haywire.
Switch to KBM, ha ha. That’s probably a sign you’re not doing the aiming. Like, any of it. No cap.
@@isaiahs1351 ???
Yeah so er...you're exposing that because you're not aiming for yourself, the robot aim is moving you to a different hitbox for you 😂
Exactly. People love to yap endlessly about how "good" aa is, yet dont want to hear a single word about how shit it is
@@thenewseorarek9625 Yeah so in that situation you do what KBM does for every kill and actually aim a little yourself... Idc about AA vs KBM but come on man look at yourself.
My only gripe is the constant revenge spawns and how often spawn flips occurs.
this and SBMM. I usually run rings on controller ppl
The spawns were good at launch but as Xclusive Ace pointed out, sometime around S1 launch spawns were ruined.
@@madtitanthanos7898 they were never good LMAO
@@iAztrend they were lol. At least compared to the yrash spawns in Mw19 and MWII
@@Conbonzxwhy do you guys still choose to play cod lol
There isn’t a day I miss a Jev video, fucking love this man
but heres the real question. What happens when Jev misses a video on that day? Hi im Vsauce.
@connorfuller591 the lore intensifies
Take his meat out of your mouth
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over the years I would have to say the biggest change jev has had is that he is a lot more realistic and I personally love it bc of how much more relatable it is. the screaming and swinging at ghosts was good but I love how real he is now its ultra refreshing :)
He‘s just an entertaining, humble human being. Thats why i love to watch his videos.
Honestly the best Faze member.
I mean isn’t he almost 30 now that’s just what happens when you age lol
@@pricklycats thanks professor
The thing about rotational assist that I find most frustrating as a m&k player is close in when you're passing by a person, like when they are sliding by you. Rotational assist will keep a controller aimed on me while I typically end up sweeping past the person
100% true
I noticed that too
Or the person isn't ass and tracked you
It aint that strong bro😂 i play on 🎮 & my assist is legit non existent. If ur seeing ppl aim stick right too you theyre probably using DS4windows & aim assist buff scripts. Theyre cheating
@@OiG_GEMiNi ur just bad i play both mnk and controller and it basically aims for you and helps control recoil
Played both for many years. This video is mostly correct, but I'd say what really hurts in this game as KBAM is the inertia from strafing/swinging your aim, bullets coming out of the barrel and not shooting directly in the center of your screen like all other shooters is what's most annoying to me. On controller it's really hard to notice this due to AA correcting the sway etc.
Jev spittin facts, as usual.
wakes up and speaks absolute truth 😭😭😭😭😭
Nah I don’t think so, can’t snap on controller like we do. Can’t make quick precise snaps at all, 45% of all controllers are used by children, 90% of all controllers have stick drift. Add those two together and it’s an obvious feature to have minimal aim assist
@@isaiahduran4213 Not necessarily true. I basically have been quick scoping in every cod game. You do it long enough and you can easily snap to wherever you want. Stick drift is just for people who don't take care of their property.
What did he say
@@isaiahduran4213 i think most ppl agree that for just pure aiming controller is a lot better and easier to use, however the argument can be made in games that also have a lot of movement tech that literally can’t be used on controller or is way harder to do it with controller it somewhat evens it out. Sadly cod doesn’t have any insane movement tech so i feel for u ppl on mnk
Im an mnk player, and I really appreciate your honesty here. No extremism, no tribalism, just your perspective and why you feel the way you feel. Mnk homies need to keep players like you in mind when they start bashing controller/aim assist. Controller is still a skilled input. A good player is a good player and that is that. Mouse and keyboard may be more difficult in call of duty, but it absolutely has its strengths that controller doesn't have. That being said, controller is definitely the way to go if you're in a position to choose.
Mouse and keyboard are NOT more difficult. He was talking nonsense. It's more difficult to *learn, especially going from controller to mnk but not to use lol. Using your full arm to aim is miles better than aim assist.
@@Dubulcle we got the extremist...
@@Zenofort He's likely never gamed on mouse and keyboard before. You can just tell.
@@Zenofort Literally, what about what I said was extremist?
@@Dubulcleno it absolutely is harder. It’s a raw input, as opposed to having an outside mechanic aim for you. While having your whole arm to aim is an advantage, that advantage means nothing when you have controller AA that tracks for you. With MnK, you actually need skill to land shots. The fact you actually think mnk is easier on a cod game is very funny
the biggest problem i have with aim assist (as a MnK player) isn't even how strong it is honestly, it's the fact that it basically completely eliminates aim sway. When you ads on a target with controller you are guaranteed to have your reticle aiming at that target once fully ads. When you ads with MnK there is a >50% chance that your reticle is not on the target. There are items that reduce aim sway to help MnK players like myself, but they all have drawbacks that controller players won't have to deal with simply because they have a different input. Aim sway needs to go.
exactly there are so many guns i can't use iron sights on because the jumpiness of the gun, controller can use the guns perfectly fine though
well you have much better recoil control at range and im not defending aa on pc im defending aa on console because of how limited we are
yeah AA should not trigger from the Red Dot but from the general middle, that makes it really strong in that regard and I think the sway should be removed entirely (outside standard Aiming Idle Sway) it's CoD and not Tarkov, or at least make it start in the center and not randomly, if you are unlucky and the guy runs left but your dot starts further right you might get fucked.
Jev spitting inconvenience truth (and facts) yet again.
KBM player here. I think one point that not a lot of people talk about when discussing this issue is, in most FPS games (excluding CS and Valorant), when shooting you strafe left and right (this equates to using the left stick for rotational aim assist). This is exactly what controller players should do (as Jev pointed out in the video), and what KBM FPS players do instinctively. But for controllers they get assistance, but for the other they get punished. Why? Because unlike most FPS games, there is gun idle sway (you not moving) and reticle sway when you strafe. This effect is offset by rotational aim assist so it doesn't affect controllers much, but it becomes a huge problem for KBM players because now it's not only controller their own aim, but also to counter this sway effect. TrueGameData did a video about this.
At the end of the day, I still enjoy MW3 though I know I'm at a disadvantage. Will I switch if a similar game with a good user base comes out? Fuck yeah. But until then, the new COD is fun to me and I'll keep playing.
Thank you jev, for always bein the person who actually stayed during my issues 😂
as an mnk player that grew up with counter strike and other aim-heavy fps games, all i want is a setting or an option that would only queue me up with other mnk players. i think thats a good middle ground, even tho the lobbies would probably be harder overall.
average gold nova player
This is not only a KBM vs Controller debate. Its an AA debate. Good players WANT aim assist to be nerfed so it creates a skillgap amongst controller users. A more nerfed AA means not every timmy can outgun a very good player. It is simple, if you dont want AA to be nerfed, it really means that you need it to be good so you can kill people who are obviously better than you.
cod is a very casual game so i doubt they will ever change it
I notice aa on pc more than my console might just be used to it 🤷🏻♂️
I mean I have aim assist and I'm still not good. We can leave it how it is lol.
Very on point! I use controller and I would love AA to get a slight nerf.
if you nerf aa on console your just down bad pc gets 120 fps up to 240 we're stuck on 60 unless you have a moniter that optimises ps5 or series x also mouse has such a precise precision that being honest if you strictly only are talking about console aa you're just down bad
I'm never gonna spend money on a cod again but will always watch jev play em
lol skate4planb888 owns ur broke ass
Same. I’m tired of being bamboozled by them
You just really want people to know you don’t play cod anymore. Damn we get it.
@@andrebrown10101for real we don’t care mf comment this on every video 😂
@@andrebrown10101 You really want people to know you want to give Activision 70$ for the same game every year. Damn we get it
Heres the thing, i love watching competitive FPS. When i watch CoD pros playing in particular there is no shot that happens during a match that is super impressive, im watching for how they work together as a team, their setups, rotations, pushes and so on. When i watch a game of Counter Strike there are players at the top level that make shots sometimes that are legit mind blowing, 180 flicks, spray transfers, quick scopes that as a person who plays the game a lot (17,000 points in premier i know im not the best but its top 10% of the player base) is just very impressive.
Controller shooters are more about the team work than the shot (halo a little less just because the higher TTK makes it so people with high level movement can break the aim assist and cause people to miss shots, and no scopes with the sniper rifle wont give you aim assist on a controller)
Mouse and Key tactical shooters is about the Teamwork AND the shot.
Really enjoyed this and the "It will never be the same" video. These videos where you're just talking about specific subjects are great and really remind me of the mw3 days
Mannn JEV props man you’re grind is inspirational the fact that I can wake up and have a bad day but know that JEV will drop a fire video to lighten my mood you got me through my child hood I love you bro!❤
The main reason I’ve stayed mnk is simply how more free feeling it is movement wise. It just gets annoying getting 4 shot by a taq and now mcw from across the planet
Controller & Mcw is AIDS. Just like last year controller and the Taq was HIV
I never understood because console cap at 120hz while yall get 180+ that’s a big help too
You just admitted to having a movement advantage compared to controller. I find it ridiculous for mnk players to complain about aim assist when the controller is literally a Stick. MnK has a crazy movement advantage. The games looked way cleaner in the computer compared to the ps4 era. Completely different game in Warzone. Pc had FOV. You aim with a mouse which is naturally easier. PC want to take away the only advantage console players have. It’s ridiculous.
@@olecramv4273 you said ps4 era. It’s a ps5 era now. They are running the same as PC’s *instead*of the top 20% that can drop 5 bands on a 4080 or higher setup. So there ain’t no compensation for one or the other. Anymore. Aim assist needs to be nerfed plain and simple. Why do you want the game getting kills for you while you just hold the trigger down? that’s just weird
@@antheman5156 If you play with a controller you know it’s far from just holding the trigger down. It’s an unnecessary exaggeration. If that was the case, every ps or Xbox player would be great at the game and that is simply not the case. The only advantage on controller is aim assist. A mouse aims way more easily at an enemy , especially from distance. The movement is way easier. What else do MnK players want ? 😂 any who even plays the game sees a clear higher difficulty when they play against PC.
I never thought aim assist did that much, but I also never experienced the M&K side of things. Now I have a few years of experience on M&K and holy cow. I know both sides of the story now and to the people saying aim assist doesn't do much, I say, turn it off and see how it goes or switch to M&K(having no M&K experience) and you will realize how much it does. Should be noted that I'm not complaining either, use whichever input you like, I personally fell in love with M&K because it's so raw, and I became so much more accurate.
100% I played on controller for half my life during the golden cods where it was nowhere near as strong. But since ive been on mnk, and its insane how much more powerful it has become within the more modern cods. Its funny tho bc most controller only players have 0 clue how busted it is.
@@Tweaky_ which is the exact reason this is even an argument. Most controller players have never touched KBM or turned aim assist off, ever. All they know is AA when it's on. They can't tell how strong it is. Obviously the main reason for that is they are on console and controller is the obvious choice, since it came with the console. The majority of people who have played both though, would most likely say that AA needs a slight nerf, and the things that effect mouse aim need to be removed. Like random weapon sway with a high chance to not actually be on target immediately after ads despite centering, and bullets not going to the center of the screen when moving/turning fast (explained in truegamedata's video).
Idk man I switched my aim assist off during mw2 and my K.D didn't drop at all and i was almost scoring the same amount of kills as well. I've continued having it switched off in mw3 and my k.d went from 1.6 two 2.1 with it off. Which is why when ppl complain aim assist i laugh cause i dont use it. It really just depends on the time played. Aim assist is only a problem against ppl who switch it off to practice and then back on to be even better at centering and stuff. But most controller players don't do that.
I really enjoy looking at numbers and the stories they tell, I would love to see the player retention on CoD. The cynic in me thinks that’s why they combined all their games into one title so it’s harder for people to look at the stats of the latest game and see that it’s dropped off a ton in only a couple months, or that people don’t like it and have gone back to previous titles.
This is exactly one of the reason why they did this. The other reasons include having a unified platform that can be easily patched and updated between consoles/mobile. If you notice they've streamlined most games between MW3/WZ/WZ mobile, all 3 of these games have the same mechanics/animations. The first 2 are directly integrated with each other.
I agree, in a competitive stance it’s frustrating To go against aim assist the same time there’s so many advantages to keyboard and mouse, like movement and keybinds. I switched to keyboard and mouse a couple months ago and I played better with it already. I think the debate isn’t really to take it away, but to lower the strength.
Honestly, I much rather they fix the fn recoil. As someone that recently switched to mouse and keyboard I feel like the randomness of the recoil is a much bigger problem than the aim assist. The aim assist helps controller players mitigate some of the problems with the completely random recoil. But it's not the issue. It's the recoil it self that ruins the game with how it randomly jumps left, right, down and up. You can't correct for recoil that is completely random and completely unpredictable. Which is how most guns feel now. On top of that we still have the ridiculous visual noise
I completely disagree the "movement" is completely countered by the aimbot assist controller players have i could slide cancel all around and the aim assist just locks on to me and hits every shot, and for the keybinds ur comparing a few buttons to free aimbot
I think that controller players never get better because they never really have to because the AA does it all for you. I remember I turned it off for BF4 and it struggled for a while but eventually got very gold and started to perform 1st place in the lobby, then whenever I faced another sweat that was extremely good I would turn on AA to simply abuse the fuck out of it since my actual skill with aimbot correcting my inconsistency at times made me almost never miss a 1v1 unless I always already low or got jumped.
May be an oddball here, built my first pc 5 years ago, was so happy with myself that every game I played, i said, "ohhhh this is gonna fun on mouse and keyboard". Ever since that day, i have never touched a controller becuase of how odd it feels to hold. Doesnt matter the game, cod, forza, rocket league, etc. I will never touch another controller again, its like i cant comprehend the imputs on them. Once I got comfortable on kbm, there was no going back. Much Love Jev, Keep up the great videos! (I could care less about aim assist, I just play search with a sniper, aim assist dont matter when they get flicked back to BO1
As a KB&M player on COD since 2018 thank you for addressing this. It absolutley needed to be said.
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bruhhhhhh the dildo lmao thats why
Who’s here from Jevs diss to haters off the tweet 😂😂🙋🏻♂️
It's amazing how well this video was put together. As a KB&M player if i want to keep playing cod at the level i play it @, i might just have to switch
I agree with your overall sentiment, but one thing to note is that mnk certainly got worse since wz2019, if you look at truegramedatas vid he points out some major changes they added to aim in mw2(2022) and it pretty much only affects mnk and it makes aim feel so much worse, I didnt complain that much about aim assist in 2019 as It felt decently fair (likely a lil strong) but since these changes in mw2, mnk has felt so much worse its also much worse when you add on the new visual clutter.
Its because rotational aim assist wasnt a thing in mw2019 it was added to mw2 which made aim assist 10x stronger than it originally was alls they need to do is remove rotational aim assist and it will be back how it was in mw2019
@iownag3_op800 wtf are you smoking rotational has been in cod since 4 minimum it just got stronger
bruh its mw2019
@@MadMikeVidz it wasnt mw2 beta they explained it was a main feature they was adding truegamedata and jgod made a vid about it last year
@@TMO_22 jgod literally has a video of him testing rotational in wz1 lmfaooo
Yes, but number one problem is the sbmm tuned to 1000%
And the fact that there isn’t console only version either anymore
@@haydaboss231 console only really doesn't matter tho? You'll only have a higher chance to go against children because there is way more children on console
@@Zenofortconsole only does have a lot to fixing some problems. Yes controller has aim assist. Yet pc has 200 or more fps then most consoles. They also have more advantages to saturation. Now you add controller aim assist you can see the difference.
I see the issue tbh but average player is running 120fps like the consoles only people who game very serious have like 240 hz but ye the saturation is something cod should fix themselves @@jeremyjohnson2229
I like how Jev is a perfect mix of Chaotic Neutral and Lawful Neutral
something that's often overlooked in this conversation is the updates to controllers in general - for example, something as simple as bumpers, though not meant for aiming, can allow for better movement while aiming (less finger movement needed for mapped buttons). there's many others but i think the updates to controllers is what's also strengthened AA
yeah before my switch I used to play "Bumper Jumper Tactical Flipped" so I throw Tactical on X and Jump on L2 while ADS'ing with L1, that way you do not have to take your thumb off of the aim stick to jump.
That's a pretty weird argument considering you can buy a mouse that cost more than a regular one and have like 10 buttons on the side and basically do the same.
And KbM can have macros as well
gimme some of the copium, pls@@Oznerol1234
I don't think it will ever happen. But the fix to this would just be input-based match making. So no one can cry about either input.
Jev actually making the controller issue worse with telling them how to abuse aim assist 😂
its not an issue its a mechanic thats literally what he has been saying the whole video😭😭
@@treytrey3096 he literally said its too strong in the video its ok to admit its an issue
@@InsiteVFXnah if yall on mnk an lose to controller your just bad a good pc player is unmatched yall just bad
@@gravedigga4real781facts
@@gravedigga4real781 thats just not true, especially when you consider the average CoD player's play style of "Im gonna sit here all game and pretend im good!" but keep chatting ig 😭 Idk why good controller players wouldnt want it nerfed either, itll put more of a difference between you and the people who suck amd just abuse aim assist lol
another reason an mnk player doesnt wanna give up mnk is that they dont want to give up all of the hard work they have put in to getting their aim good enough to compete
That and MNK is literally just more fun and involved to play in EVERY shooter ever. No argument. You're input is mirrored directly in game. YOU feel like the character more than any controller can provide.
That and mice and keyboard for some people are just more ergonomic for more people and the ability to rebind.
And then there's physical disabilities. MNK is a bit more user friendly bc of this, my hand is partially crippled, I can't hold a controller anymore, but all my skills transferred over to MNK, and now I'm even better at mouse than I ever was at controller, I'm proud to be hovering near 1.8k/d with a bad hand.
@@spakentruthpersonally for fps games i feel more like the character in game when my shoot button is literally a trigger.
Having a kd with sbmm doesnt matter. There is nothing to be proud of
What hard work? It’s extremely easy to use
@@MarchYear-vk6xp uh aim assist?
@@Capper_Bra fair deal. I'm just saying I can hold my own SBMM or not, AIm assist or not, with a bad hand. I'm content with that.
I'd like to see a delay in the activation time for AA. If I see someone move, I need to react to them moving and then aim left/right but with AA it instantly reacts for you and follows the target
While KBM players use their whole entire arm, with insane flicks and better accuracy than someone using their two thumbs. AA is great.
Yeah, it's the inhuman reaction time which makes it so stupid OP. It should have a delay or at least require some aiming stick input to activate.
If you dont shoot within 0.2ms in this game you are dead anyway...@@chrislux9587
dawg ur just coping im a lifelong controller player aa is busted
@@Ben-mq8ug
It's clear you don't even know how aim assist works, this doesn't happen unless you are strafing, moving forward or standing still this does not occur
The only thing is that when someone on MnK do something crazy it's "wow he did that", when controller does something is "who did that?"
Coming back to this after the whole twitter thing, I personally hate when aim assist snatches my view when I’m trying to aim at someone else or hold an angle, I want it reduced to the point where it’s just help with smaller adjustments and tracking on a smaller scale.
I appreciate you being honest in your assessment jev.
What's most frustrating as a MnK player aside from being told to just switch, is having to put in hundreds or thousands of hours aim training to still not be able to track like a controller player who has never put in a second aim training.
Secondly, the argument because there's less mnk players playing, in my experience, isn't a valid argument as to why we can't have a Fair and even playing field for EVERYONE.
Lol I was just thinking this. No amount of training and mastery will get you anywhere near Timmy's level lmao 😂😂😂
this entire game is a issue
average blind cod hater
@@thomasjohnson1399name something in this game that’s worth 70$ 50$(on sale) that’s not recycled sometimes I feel like the devs aren’t even the issue it’s people like you that’ll accept anything they shit out of their ass be real bro most people play and deal with it because of nostalgia I don’t want old maps never wanted old maps I don’t want ttk that makes weapons feel like bullet sponges I didn’t ask for a year 2 dlc marketed as a full game yet only has 10 guns the rest from mw2 I didn’t ask for dmz outbreak zombies lmfao I can name so much shit but to each their own lmfaooo.
@@thomasjohnson1399I played COD since COD 4 and this is the first year EVER I don’t even feel like grinding the game.
@@morbidzombii alright bro i didnt ask and i aint reading all that
@@CzarrIV uh oh why should i care
Love the content jev keep up the good work ❤️
black and chinese
@@urmomstink2844 beat me to it
Can u make jev black and or chinese
I think a huge part of the aim asisst issue is that controller input as a whole has gotten a lot better, with games starting to allow you to change response curve and specifics of your controller, allowing for much easier aiming but the aim assist strength has stayed the same from when it was stronger to make up for a lack of precision due to bad input.
The football glove comparison is actually goated. Perfectly done.
As a mnk player I actually don’t mind AA outside of a couple scenarios. I.e. when someone smokes a mnk player doesn’t even have to see me but as long as they move there cross hair through it the AA gives them almost a sixth sense when it locks onto someone where they otherwise wouldn’t have vision. I think that’s pretty problematic. The only other complaint I have about controller is I’m not confident that most players aren’t using some type of hardware and from my understanding it’s pretty hard to detect or tell and so people can essentially get aimbot. I’m not saying that happens most of the time but when I do die it’s hard to distinguish sometimes what’s bullshit and what’s not.
there isnt aim assist in smoke. I (and many other M&K players) use it to counter aim assist
@@patrickcarver3607 you gotta be new cause if you put down smokes yeah you don’t have aim assist but if you move your crosshair through it a lot of the time some parts of the smoke are only really showing visually and not actually doing their job. It also happens alot whenever other sources create smoke I.e. cruise missile
Visual smoke is also a huge issue. Even with graphics settings turned down, I can sometimes lose people in explosion visual smoke whereas aim assist just doesn't care.
I bought the game 3 weeks after launch. Really wasn't sure about it, as I haven't played cod since BO4. I've honestly enjoyed mw3 so far. even grinded out and unlocked interstellar. Now getting into the warzone side of things. Even trying out zombies has been fun and has been rewarding. The game has some issues for sure, but just getting on and playing and not worrying about how I do in game has made in more enjoyable.
Haven't even watched it but I agree completely 😂
average cod hater. thats not even what the video is about, its about aim assisy
console players have never experienced what a humanized aimbot feels like. i have played cs for thousands of hours on mm and 3rd party clients. i know when i'm getting goofed. you can just tell when the assistance kicks in. the aim is clean tracking to the target, firing the weapon on target is precise, but once the target dies the player loses control of the weapon. and, their poor movement is just chef's kiss.
i play on mouse and keyboard and he is 100% right about all of it, although sometimse mnk players are sometimes more comfortable playing on mnk because theyve been using it longer than controller, and think if they switch to controller they wont be as competative/have a handicap and would rather have full control which is just ego
As someone who’s played mnk and controller equally over my entire time spent gaming from cs source to valorant to call of duty and halo. The rotational aim assist is too strong within a game that has such a fast ttk. Even if they don’t nerf it though, performing well on mnk is still going to be 100% possible. I prefer mnk for every first person shooter, even after trying out the elite controller on mw3 I find it’s more fun on mouse and keyboard I guess because I always play more fps games on mnk
MNK is just point and shoot, I never struggle against controller players but can always tell when someone killed me with a mouse because they’re just flicking around easily and don’t even need to ADS
@@ulaytube9953 try flicking on your controller and it’s much easier cause the game slows ur aim down and tracks the enemy when when you slightly strafe and aim at them. Flicking on controller is easier if you know the mechanical inner workings by muscle memory
@@majormom357 yeah you’re right that game slows down but it should do that because that acts as the equaliser against MNK players…it’s so so so easy to aim with a mouse
@@ulaytube9953 Would you mind uploading a video of you playing on mouse and keyboard? Since it's, you know "just point and shoot".
I play with aim assist off pretty consistently a couple times a week just to keep my reflexes and response time somewhat quick. I promise you it's the perfect way to train your aim. Ease into it, start in the firing range then go into pubs. Even hardcore without aim assist is a great way to train. But you could get use to the ttk which could effect you in normal pubs.
Or you could just play r6 siege and get shit on by controller players who never had aim assist to begin with
@@karateguy247lol yeah I notice how strong aa is on other games compared to r6
This dude said "pubs" 😂 it just COD Lil bro
@@mrepictacovargas2464 public lobbies.
@@FL1PZ00M you could see how strong it is in cod by just turning it off for a few days and then turn it back on. Like the original comment said, it's a good way to train your aim without any assistance, and you also see just how strong AA is by how much better you do after turning it back on.
To me (MnK) I dont mind the aim assist except for when i fully stun someone and they drag their analog over and they beam me while fully stunned. I get stunned and have to swipe my mouse a good few times to move a fraction of what they move.
AIM ASSIST:
- Multiplayer mnk v roller is balanced.
-WZ mnk v roller isn't balanced at all. Rollers don't miss a bullet and no horizontal recoil.
Rollers have to do so little during gun fight, they get anxious and start YY around...
Yeah AA to mnk (option on/off) would work well or removal of rotational aim assist with increased slow down near target plus recoil pattern on.
As a MNK player: Its not that i'm choosing not to use the tools available to me, its that the tool that i am more familiar with has better suppport with a wider variety of games. CoD isn't everything, but i'd like to enjoy it on the same input as I enjoy, say, PUBG on MNK. Honestly a 30% reduction would probably be too much for the casual player, and would probably drive a majority of the player base away. I felt like a 15%-20% reduction of ROTATIONAL ALONE would be a fair balance. And a buff to the regualr aim assist for the right stick would honestly feel MORE balanced. You can actually hit your shots while aiming on controller, and I wont die to your rotational tracking me for you through my stun... Just sayin
Jev i wanted to say thank you for giving us good content just know you're doing more than enough.
damn its been weeks since i watched a Jev video feels good to be back. ALSO your beard is great now
If I can go from entirely using keyboard and mouse to temporarily picking up a controller, and do incredibly well aim wise, something is wrong
cry bout it
The problem is that a bad controller player can kill a good KBM player because of aim assist, whereas a bad KBM player doesn't stand a chance against a good controller player, i play KBM on every game i play except COD because its a massive disadvantage. The problem is people will flat out deny that AA is an issue when it clearly is because if they turned off rotational AA they would be missing so much more! Overall if you play COD just plug in a controller its less effort & its easier to use.
I’ve played controller on cod and other games for 15+ years, and yes, it IS too strong nowadays, I die to actual robots sometimes because the aim assist shows me in the killcam them aiming at another dude and then tracking me for 2-3 bullets by accident.
Another reason why people stick with kbam, at least me, is its more fun and more rewarding to hit cool shit knowing it was done with raw input and I had no assistance at all. If I see a flick shot or something on controller, even if impressive, a voice at the back of my head tells me it isn't as cool because they had significant help
Lmao nobody stays kbam because of that.
Sniping is easier on m&k
Your view on sniper from controller are just invalid asf
Haven't heard you talk about the finals yet jev. Would love to hear your opinion on it and too see you play the game
he wouldnt like it cuz he is a solo player, that game is meant to play with other people
With the weirdness of the optics in this game, MnK is further at a disadvantage. If optics were straight and there was no large amount of sway when strafing, the rotational aim assist wouldn't be as offensive. I wouldn't mind aim assist being stronger for the slowdown stickiness, but rotational aim assist needs to break lock within 1 to 2 steps strafing and must at least be helped by the player using the right stick.
same with iron sights, some guns are borderline unusable on mnk because of the gun jumping everywhere, controller completely negates that tho
@@matthewloscar2893this just isn’t true. And M&K players use macros and scripts for recoil so I don’t wanna hear it.
@@dizzleslaunsen237290% people dont even use that shit
@@dizzleslaunsen2372 no it isnt lol macros and scripts are for losers who suck ass at the game.
@@AtreusLmao mouse and keyboard has always had an advantage. Y’all just cannot see that. Like if there was no aim assist and the game played exactly the same for both, that would make it an advantage for M&K because it’s easier to aim. Legit the first time ever PC players don’t have an unfair advantage and y’all just don’t stop whinin
As a mouse & keyboard player - I'm OK with where AA is here on this title, and if they nerfed it slightly that would be alright but not something I actively promote. Hopefully they don't nerf it into the dirt for the controller players. What royally screws me more often in gun fights is the bloom/visual recoil to the point I loose sight of players.
Let's be real. Console producers also wanted to sell shooter games in the 90s. This did not work, and flopped horribly,
because EVERYONE complained about aiming with the controller being very very very bad. That's why they implemented cheating software into their console titles,
to make tons and tons of money, just like the pc game developers. My point is, look at Rainbow 6 Siege. They have no aim assist there on controller, and still perform.
Why is CoD aim assist so strong ? To get as many as possible players to like the game, even the most unskilled ones.
Thanks for the video, appreciate the valid points. I’ve made honest efforts to use controller but I’ve gotten severe motion sickness every single time. I’ve tried all the recommendations to reduce this. With kbm the disadvantage is so much more pronounced with modes like Ranked Play, especially after you get past certain levels. If you’re playing competitively it makes sense to use what will give you the best outcomes.
Fax that's why I like games like Titanfall 2 on PC where you can still outdo guns that are better with aim assist
i have zero issues with mouse assist, the biggest problem is them having a million weapon sway and gun smoke that your crosshair is never in the middle of the screen which every fps in the past 40 years has had. the aim assist helps this problem but on mnk you basically have to flip a coin on if your reticle is going to be accurate on where you're shooting. Its like they have csgos system of not being able to move and shoot accurately but they just have it on for fun to ruin the entire game for anyone on mnk
A good counter I found was to increase the sensitivity of the mouse.
@@osirisvega4706 that won't change anything, you still have to micro adjust your aim despite perfect centering. It's part of the game, nothing you change on your hardware will change it
Input based matchmaking that can be turned on or off in settings could also be a fix
But you know KBM players don't wanna play each other.
we do. i dont play cod but trust me we dont wanna be near rollers@@user-kt4km9df3f
@@user-kt4km9df3f Trust me we do.
@@user-kt4km9df3f I do? I get my rocks off if I'm in a lobby with mnk to see how I match up. Its fun. It makes me try hard more.
Ur a outlier and a legend@@will_9910
One little correction: you do not need to move for rotational aim assist to work. While you left stick can activate it too, you can just use your right stick. Additionally you can back up against a wall and and keep walking into it to activate aim assist.
The analogy with the football player with gloves is perfect
I genuinely love just hearing this man’s opinion on things.
love you Jev, never stop doing what you love, we will all be here until the end. thanks for your hard work
Challenge Accepted: Jev does a whole video playing on controller with aim assist turned off
id watch
The truth is that no matter what game it is, people who care enough to post about aim assist or mouse inputs are also the same people who care enought to make excuses as to why someone is killing them. In true sweat gamer fashion, there is no way someone is better than me. It must be because they have some advantage I don't have. So when I die, I immediately blame the easiest target.
It’s really funny when ppl try to tell me i’m bad cuz i play controller because I just show them the image of my aim assist off as it always is and they then shut up
As a pc player, I shouldn’t have to buy a $250 controller in order to have a fair fight. M&kb shouldn’t have an advantage over controller either, but the game shouldn’t be aiming for controller players. It’s lazy game design to say “oh just buy a controller.”
ps5 controller 50 dollars mate
What world are you living in that a controller is $250
@@kevinasivanovas1139 and the left sticks are in the wrong spot, I don’t want carpal tunnel. They also don’t have the rear buttons/paddles necessary for the slide cancelling and jumping you need to do in order to actually make use of the magnet aim.
@@ALC570I buy the cheapest wired controllers I can at around 15-20 each and am in the top 10% of cod players if you go by the ranked stats stop lying you don’t need any special crazy expensive controller to be half decent at cod
Git gus@@ALC570
As someone who has played with both but mainly play controller. I find it way easier to control even the most severe recoil guns on mouse but at the same time controller players have advantages with aim assist such as when people are stunned,aim assist locks on through the stun effects compared to a m&k player being fucked while stunned
I am pretty sure stuns and flashes disable AA now, at least flashes do, Stunds might not tho, but I get ya, I think generally it is realtively balanced, but the Rotational could defenitely use a little nerf, it is SUPER strong in Warzone.
aim assist doesnt lock anything lmao you are screwed on both inputs
@CrownRoyaL2.0 lie again I've had my aa grab onto enemies and still track through stuns and I've seen it happen so many times
only way for that to happen is if your using a 3rd party cheating device, no one believes your uneducated non sense that touched a controller lmao@@MadMikeVidz
16:41 That bug already happened about 5 or 6 month ago, for a small amount of controler players the AA wasn't working as usual and they were crying to. So us M&k players aren't the only ones that cry
as a keyboard and mouse player here is my issue with controller:
When you die to a controller you know, you just feel it to your core. Every bullet from a controller player hits but with kbam consistency is our enemy and with all that iron sight random movement that was recently discovered it adds an additional layer of randomness outside of our control. As Jev said I don't want aim assist out of the game I was previously a controller player from 2007 until bo4 I just want a solution that doesn't feel like controllers every bullet hits vs kbam where on top of inconsistency there is also random movement built into the game that doesn't seem to affect controllers.
Also don't give kbam rotational aim assist give us target assist or aim assist similar to GTA v
I just dislike how much screen shake and visual recoil there is. Playing on Plutonium/IW4X before it got deleted and it really is so much easier to aim with a mouse in old COD games just because your sight isn't a blurry mess flying all over the screen with dust, smoke, tons of debris from explosions, your screen having a parkinsons fit from grenades, all that just makes it a nightmare on mouse. The single biggest frustration I have with AA is that it does a lot to cancel those things out meanwhile on a mouse you just have to deal with it.
I'm a MNK player, I tried to switch to controller recently and with how sweaty my lobbies where it was a horrible experience. In my opinion aim assist isn't the problem it's the RNG weapon sway that essentially throws your aim of when you ADS. I don't think AA is the issue except at extreme ranges, which as a mainly core player it doesn't really impact me as much with my gunfights being primarily close range.
You a controller player? I dabble with controller now and realized the "advanced horizontal/vertical sens was set to 1.2" instead of 1 which was the default value all along somwthing I would check iut if you feel like controller feeks weird bc I thougjt I was going crazy when I was struggling to hit my shots, "no way should it be this inconsistent" after I changed it my consistency went back to how I used to play a decade ago lol
As someone who started MW3 on mouse & keyboard and then switched to controller because of aim assist, I can proudly say having a good time is what matters.
I like to suffer.. If I want fun I go back to zombies or Darktide.
as a M&K player I thank you for your service! I literally try to tell all my friends aim assist is so crazy
Why not use a controller then?
@@DanielGutierrez-tv5jlIf you've ever played M&K its simple to realize why we dont use a controller.
@@DanielGutierrez-tv5jlbro didn't watch the video
@@DanielGutierrez-tv5jlBecause he never played or had the skills on it... have a brain cell.
@@thebinksake8741nailed it. It’s a different experience. You actually earned that shit, not had it handed to you. That’s what people want out of life today, just everything handed to them, guideed through everything in life. Like a dang looser
We've had the answer to this for years, and Nintendo is the only one using it. "Kid" games like Splatoon don't need AA because of gyro aiming, and nobody complains. You basically get the same raw input as MnK, and it completely removes the need for AA, not just for crossplay, but also for console only lobbies so that every kill comes down to who can actually land their shots. It was introduced in Fortnite along with flick stick (instantly turn to face any direction). We just need to be loud and ask devs to add support for it, and roller players will eventually realize that it is actually good enough to be competitive. There are even people like iHardScope playing CS:GO on controller and Siifar.
I played roller for many years and switch to mnk when 2019 came out and im 100% better on mnk then I ever was on a roller...
I play COD on M&KB. I just like the feel of it more. Sometimes I'll hook up my controller so I can lay back in my chair, but I can't hit a thing with it lol. That being said, I don't want the aim assist to be nerfed. Just no stronger. My friends sometimes complain how their aim assist caused them to miss their shot because someone ran in front of the person they were shooting at.
Another case where aim assists messes up from my experience is when there are 2 or more enemies you are fighting. Let’s say you take out the first guy and try to quickly flick to the next guy to start shooting him a lot of times it’s like you have to fight against the aim assist to get your aim on the second guy fast enough it’s wierd.
its like being in a work place u can either use the electric tools or the manual tools both have their pluses but the electrical tools make life just that little bit easier
Jev I just wanna say thank you for making daily videos shit brother you helped me so much for my first week in sobriety I looked forward to your vids
Halo Infinite added slight reticle friction to MnK and man is it nice. My accuracy in that game went from less than 35% to just below 50%. Feels so good.
After switching from controller to kbm after playing it for 19 years. Controller offers so much more consistency to your aim which is huge. Like what Jev said on kbm you 100% need more effort to be consistent. Imo I think rotational aa should be less and make it so it doesn’t react for you. There are many situations where I jump shot a corner and the aa tracks for them and all they really did was shoot. I call aa training wheels because it technically is because it’s helping you. I could switch back but mnk is just way more rewarding and for me it makes it a lot more fun imo. Thought this vid was gonna be about sbmm lol😂
How I see it:
If you're playing on 2 different inputs it will never be balanced.
If you nerf or buff aim assist, then m&k will respectively become op or underpowered.
We need the option as pc players to choose the input we play against, between m&k, roller, or both.
The problem is that us Mnk players are 15-20% from all the community so if you disable cross-platform and play only with Mnk (pc) players games will die so fast like BO4 on PC .
As a mouse and keyboard player I never really noticed that aim assist is "OP". But going off what Jev said I think it would be kinda fun just to try and feel what aim assist would be like on mouse and keyboard just to get a feeling. If I like how it feels I might keep it on but if it feels terrible I won't use it. (I tried using a controller again in like 2 years and I was terrible at it)
It’s not very noticeable on multiplayer unless you specifically try to feel for it, I can see how it’s a problem on Warzone and it’s so lazy of them to just increase the range rather than let the players improve.
It’s basically just a slight stickiness on the enemy player, for example if I’m aiming at a building window and you run past the window my aim will kinda stick to you and pull my gun in the direction your running but if I don’t actually do the aiming I wouldn’t hit any bullets you’d run past and I would now just be aiming a cm to the side of the window instead now. I think it’s a fair trade off if the range isn’t to much since you guys can instantly snap onto people so much easier than we can using 1 thumb on a stick
@@AlwaysEwok Yeah it really is not that noticeable in multiplayer. I am not really a big fan of Warzone and thus I don't really run into the problem of aim asisst is "OP". And yes it is a lot easier for us to do like a 180 than it is for you guys on controller. But I did try a controller after years, and I used to be a console player but after I got a PC I never really touched a controller again, and when I did can I tell you I was hot garbage.
@@SonOfFerruccio_sa not trying to say you're bad but if you don't realize how stupid rotational aa is as an mnk player, you might be too casual to give ur opinion xd
@@zev2111 agreed but tbh controller and kbm playstyle is completely different because on controller your main focus is abusing the op aim assist and he probably forgot how to abuse aa
@@zev2111 I can tell you for a fact I am not a casual player. But I get what you are trying to say but me personally I don’t really notice it. And if I die I always skip kill cams and only play shipment or hardcore shipment so anyway don’t see anything. Plus I am only playing zombies right now for camos because I am already done with multiplayer camos
I could not disagree more with this. Mouse and keyboard players absolutely have the upper hand when it comes to movement and recoil control. There is a reason I turn crossplay off when I play mp and you can instantly tell when someone is on mouse and key in wz.
Over here from Marksman's channel and will watch it through again. As a PC M&K player your comments really hit the mark, I have an Xbox X and an Elite Controller but choose not to us it in COD, us it mainly for, Dark Souls or Racing games.
Maybe now Microsoft own COD the 'cost' of making it more M&K friendly can be absorbed or M&K only lobbies enabled.. I don't mind waiting for a fair fight, then I can friend loads of M&K players and create 'level playing field' lobbies with them ;-)
The best solution is to have a toggle in the settings to let you choose if you want to play against controllers.
as a kbm player idgaf about aim assist cuz not a single person on controller has given me a reason to see that its unbalanced
I’ve been playing cod and fps shooters for 14 years now since the beginning of cod and as a controller player the aim assist since warzone 2 has been so strong lol. Warzone one I thought was fine.
Ive never had a single problem with aim assist, i think a lot of people are probably just using it as an excuse to explain why they get killed so much. Imo, playing on controller doesnt really give you an advantage, if any. I used to play on controller but swapped to mouse and keyboard once i got a computer and ive gotten significantly better, that could just be me but i really dont think aim assist or controllers give you an advantage.
You have more movement to work with Mouse you can use your whole arm or wrist. Controller you are stuck with thumbs or whatever. You are very limited on controller. Plus idk about you but i hit way more headshots on Mouse then controller and i grew up playing mw2..
did we not watch the same video
Are you guy nr.578 that wants to tell me that you have mastered tracking and flick shots after your first 10 matches with MnK?
@@loggen3870 If using your whole arm was more overpowered than AA then why is 9 out of 10 WZ pros on controller? Why was 99% of WSOW players on controller? Why didnt the majority of pros & content creators switch to KBM?
@@IshoGTyes it is way overpowered, I played against my friend who’s really shit at the game and he nearly won against me in 1v1 cause guess what? He plays with m&k and he has it easy, but no, keep denying that m&k is way to OP just because you want to use the victim card
great vid, and youre right, as a mnk player if they added AA i would turn it off immediately. and yes, we are more skilled and far better than controller timmies.
As a former mnk player in cod 2019 and MW2. I came to the decision to switch back to controller because I figured the minority would be ignored. mnk was much more gratifying but for my casual play after work i just wanna hop on and cruise.