As a Brit, who used to live in Alabama (long story). I've visited the USS Alabama once, and it is an incredibly interesting and fascinating Museum ship to behold.
To be honest, I am sad that I can't visit museum ships or also tank museums. Since how the war went, germany doesn't have alot of stuff left to actually showcase... It would have been very interesting to set foot on one of the famous german ships, for example. I would also love to visit a Yamato/Musashi, for example... For the american or british ships, I would have to go to there, maybe one day I will be able to do that, because those ships as well would be rather interesting to see. One day I also want to go to Bovington as well, see all tanks over there, including Tiger 131...
I would seriously suggest it! I used to live about 15 miles from Bovington, and would visit every so often to see any additions or changes. Some of the vehicles in there are incredibly fascinating, others bizarre, and a lot of the German vehicles down right awe-inspiring. Following that, a trip to Chatham Dockyard, in Kent, would be worthwhile too, as it has 3 Museum ships, including HMS Cavalier. Not to mention, Portsmouth is pretty much in between Bovington and Chatham, and offers Harbour tours of the area. It would not cost too much to pop over and have a look for a couple of days, especially if you bring camping equipment.
I am not the biggest friend of camping, but I think I'd find a solution. Still, I have to note that down, all those locations would be rather nice to visit and it is easier to get there compared to an american museum...
Yeah, having experienced the "joy" that is trying to get anywhere in the US, being able to hop on a bus/train to get somewhere in the UK is like heaven. It took my friend and I 4 hours to drive from just outside Birmingham, Alabama to Mobile, AL in average traffic.
Live a few hours from Mobile Bay and have been to see the Alabama numerous times. Just wanted to point out that the movie "Under Siege" starring Steven Seagal, Tommy Lee Jones and Gary Busey was filmed on the Alabama.
For ship designers, battleships and cruisers would have had armor designed to stand up to that ship's own man battery. What Chieftain could have added regarding the North Carolina class ships, those two ships were originally designed to mount 12 of the same 14" guns that preceding classes mounted. The Washington Naval Treaty limited new construction battleships to a maximum gun caliber of 14", thus the NC class armor scheme was designed around this. When other nations subject to the treaty (ahem ... Japan) withdrew from that limitation, by moving quickly the USN was able to replace the three quad 14" turrets with three triple turrets mounting the same 16"/45 caliber guns carried in the Colorado class, but the armor could not be upgraded to a standard to stand up to 16" fire without seriously overloading the ship. The treaty still limited ship displacement to 35,000 tons standard. Both the North Carolina and following South Dakota class like Alabama met (barely) that limitation. Unlike the NC, the South Dakota's are armored to protect against 16" fire.
"You forgot to mention that the USS Alabama led the fleet into Tokyo bay for the surrender ceremony" Yeah, they figured they could lose her. BTW, the first US ship to enter Tokyo Bay at the end of the war was the minesweeper USS Revenge (AM-110)
I've been to the Alabama a few times back in my childhood but I always most enjoyed going on board the USS Drum. I was a sub geek in those days and wasted many, MANY hours playing Red Storm Rising back then. That reminds me, I need to give Cold Waters a try.
Visiting her and the USS Drum (a Gato-class sub) is fascinating. Go from the relatively battleship interior over to the claustrophobic sub interior. The aircraft hanger has a lot too, including an A-12 (variant of the SR-71).
Did I just hear you correctly? A five inch gun mount fired into another one? I thought they had figured out how to stop that from happening. Anyway, I enjoyed your video.
I used to live in Providence, RI, and was a member of the "Friends of the Battleship Massachusetts," the sister ship of the USS Alabama. I am very familiar with this class, having visited the Massachusetts dozens of times. I am also a U. S. Navy Vietnam veteran. I liked this video. Lots of information packed into it. For those interested in the subject, I might recommend the book, U. S. Battleships, An Illustrated Design History by Norman Friedman.
Out of all the museum ships I've visited Alabama was the best mostly because it was the least restrictiver in where you could explore and because the crew removed the forward most turrets barbet (or armor encasement if barbet isnt the correct term) and you could see a lot more of the mechanisms involved in reloading her guns
I was a cub scout and I got to actually sleep on the USS Alabama twice and now i'm in the BSA and where planning on going back to do the same again once the museum staff allows us to.
What is worth mentioning is that North Carolina was designed originally to mount quad 14” guns in 3 turrets (that being the treaty limit at that time and also why the KGVs have 14” guns) and that’s why her armor scheme was designed against 14” guns. Very late in the process as a result of Japan withdrawing from the Washington Naval treaty it became possible to mount 16” guns under the treaty which allowed replacing the planned quad 14s with triple 16s. It was however too late to redesign her armor scheme. The South Dakota Class was an effort to create a treaty battleship armored against the 16” 45 2240lb shell. In this they were remarkably successful although with (as Chieftain notes) compromises as a result. Their design (and that of the Iowa’s) were however, unbalanced once again when BuOrd developed the 2700lb AP round. The SD’s and Iowa’s were too far along for anything more than token changes and could not be properly protected against the 2700lb round. That wasn’t going to happen until the Montana class which was developed with the 2700lb round as the standard from the start. As Friedman notes the difficulty the US Navy had in designing a ship that could be protected against the 16”50 2700lb combination was a major factor in staying with that weapon for the Montana’s as they considered it perfectly sufficient.
I've been to Mobile once, years ago. We ate at Tacky Jacks, right across from the Alabama. I think I spent the entire meal staring out the window at her. Sadly, the trip didn't give me time to visit.
They should play this video at the vistor center, or on the ship, best overview of the ship's service I have seen. The video's they play on the ship are old, like from the 90s, there was only one, but it had vets talking about their service and their roles on ship. It would serve you well to watch videos like this one before you go visit. There was a room with action reports displayed talking about the service, which was neat.
Oh, and sadly, there was no discount codes or Redeem codes to get the ship from WG in the gift shop!! I was thinking it would be a no brainer for WG to sell the Alabama Premium ship using Redeem codes at the GIFTSHOP for that ship!! Talk about hooking new players into the game. Explore the ship, then buy a video game version!! Sadly, that is not the case.
I'm in the final pages of _Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors_ and my biggest takeaway lesson is how the inexorable march of technology made these magnificent battleships obsolete in the face of air attack. My own service was aboard one of the battleships that was converted to an aircraft carrier mid-construction, the USS Coral Sea. Now, IMHO, even carriers are obsolete given advances in missile technology.
Re North Carolina - She was designed and built under the provisions of the Second London Naval Treaty, which limited battleships to 35,000 tons and 14 inch guns (which is why the King George V class mounted guns of the caliber). Originally, both classes were planned to be 35,000 ton, 28 knot ships mounting 12 Fourteen inchers in quad turrets. The KGV's had B turret reduced to a 2 gun installation to increase armor elsewhere. The North Carolinas had a more radical transformation. The treaty had an escalator clause that could be invoked if a country withdrew from the treaty regime that permitted gun caliber to rise to 16 inches. Japan withdrew and the US invoked the clause. Unfortunately, it was too late to do anything about increasing her armor to match her new gun caliber - that would have required an entirely new design. But Bureau of Ordnance had cannily designed her barbettes to be capable of mounting either a quad 14 inch turret or a triple 16 inch one and had the plans already drawn up for the later resulting in a comparatively easy change in armament.
When talking about the North Carolina’s with their lack of armor protection, it was almost comedic that the navy thought they could stand up against the Bismarck and Yamato class battleships. The South Dakota class were much better suited in terms of armor protection to stand up to such heavily armored battleships of Germany and Japan.
The American navy followed the Washington treaty limitations pretty closely for the North Carolina class. But with the Japanese dropping out of the treaty and Germany and Italy ignoring it entirely, the US navy started to play loose with the limitations, though they legally up-gunned to the 16in guns. Britain however stuck very closely to the treaty, the King George5 class was reduced from 12 52cal 14in guns to 10 47cal guns to come under the 35k ton limit. The South Dakotas were never meant to be peace time ships, the US navy understood that the over crowding would only be tolerated in war time, and thus it was planned to mothball them immediately after the war. Sadly, the South Dakota and Indiana were scrapped after 1958, along with the USS Washington.
Yes. Those Southern States do love their ships. At the age of nine I put my dimes in a can at school to help buy the USS North Carolina - and two years later - July 1, 1963 I got to play on her, manning the 40 & 20 mm guns as I shot down hordes of make believe Japanese aircraft - the biggest toy a boy could ever have. .
In 1967 I went on a 4th grade school field trip to visit the Alabama. One of my friends and I couldn't wait to get to the 40mm mounts which were still in operation for slew and elevation. With about 7 or 8 classmates hanging all over the mount we began cranking like made. The mount started rotating and the girls all screamed. The chaperone nearly fainted. We were in heaven!
Not just the Southern States, NY has at least 4 museum ships that I know of- 3 in Buffalo (4 if you count the PT boat, but you can't currently get inside that), and 1 in Albany. Mass has 4 as well: Salem, Massachusetts (Alabama's sister ship), a destroyer, and the Constitution. NJ has the NJ, (and an abandoned WWII sub that used to be a museum) PA has a protected cruiser of Spanish American war vintage in Philly, and a sub in- of all places- Pittsburg, lol. There is even a German U-boat in Chicago! The USS Nautilus- the first nuclear sub- sits in Groton, CT, and another sub is in Portsmouth NH, by the old Navy Yard. The museum in Buffalo even managed to get a chunk of one of South Dakota's 16" guns, and a 16" AP projectile. Lots of other cool stuff there too- like a P-39 Airacobra (which were made in neighboring Niagara Falls), and a couple of jets. No doubt about it- museum ships are very cool to visit. They really give you a new perspective on what it was really like to fight in Naval battles back then.
@@pyroman6000 Yeah. And of course - Pearl Harbor has the Missouri moored right past the Arizona - the beginning and ending of WWII for the US. I can remember driving by the piers where two of the battleships were moored in 1987 - and I got to go aboard the New Jersey once when she visited the area before deploying to Vietnam. I'm still gotten away with the fact that New York didn't manage to come up with the money for CV-6 - if ever there was a ship that deserved to be preserved that was it. I don't know if it's the same but when I was a kid there near Portsmouth - they had the conning tower of a submarine at one of those bases. Sad to say - I was there for the launching of the Thresher and knew a kid whose father was a civilian technician aboard her when she went down. I didn't live there any more but I heard from one of my friends. Very sad time for the area. I can remember when the movie Sink The Bismarck came out. WWII hadn't been over that long and when that ship was at sea - it was something the people there were aware of. It was never going to - but - if it had tried it had the ability to sail over and shell the place - of course the US wasn't in the war then. One of the places I went exploring as a child was the coastal artillery battery on the south side of the river mouth (guns were long gone) and there was a crumbling tower from the war of 1812 in our front yard. One thing about the eastern coast of the US is there's a lot of history there. .
I've been aboard the USS Alabama 30 years ago, enjoyed every minute of it. Except for my nagging Brit born wife it was fun. I have exchanged her for one born on the Rhine. She's a keeper.
I thought the alabama was going to be one of those one time sales when they actually said it would awhile ago so..i put alittle less than $100 into it.... ;-; so much for that
Because it's debatable how effective it might have been since it never really was tested by hostile shellfire. Same with the Vittorio Veneto class and its "composite" belt armor. You can do the math and say, hey, it should work this way under the assumptions we've made setting up these equations, but you never really know what other countries might have been doing with shell design.
Very much enjoy your talks - bgreat balance between the technical and human side. But please, if you have any influence w the producers, get rid of the distracting background "elevator music". Not only annoying but it often obscures what you are saying... which sort of degrades all the efforts of your research and presentation. 🍁🍁
Battleship X!!! - USS South Dakota BB-57 - the only Sodak class that saw any significant surface action and one of most, if not most, decorated USN BB of the war....but yet we have the Alabama. I suppose the name South Dakota isn't as marketable and the fact that they actually have the Alabama that they could tour for details helped to secure the spot.
reblchemst I also figure that's a reason. We only have bits and pieces of the South Dakota on display. The officer's silver coffee service set was on display in Pierre. The South Dakota battleship museum is in Sioux Falls. Still a pretty cool place to visit.
Tony Dorschner First of all, Bama is still around as a museum ship and WG likes to put museum ships in the game. Second, there may one day be a SoDak in the tech tree as part of a secondary BB branch; the way Tirpitz was in the game long before Bismarck, who was put into the main line.
If I’m ever down that way I’ll check it out USS Massachusetts is at battleship cove in Fall River it’s great they have two PT Boat a destroyer a sub and a soviet Corvette
I like history and ship stats.. but only yards said ..realy is it everyone american ?? is there no possibility to convert as youu speak on universal mesures ?? like EU ppl would apreciatte a lot.. thank you very much....
Théorie: it's not all, it's not nothing ! This Man explains it very well through " thé theory" of immunité, which has nous réalité during War Times. But you should think of it, anyway, before taking thé right décision.
Without a doubt. As good as Tirpitz armor was, it would have been flattened by Alabama on both long as short range engagements. By weight of broadside alone, North carolina, south dakotas and Iowas could throw 11ton per salvo. Only Yamato surpassed that by 2 ton. Bismarck class BB's could only throw 6ton per salvo. And had only slightly better rate of fire. In pretty much every way, exept short range armor protection and speed, does the South dakota comes superior over Bismarck
Incorrect. American firecontrol was better thanks to advanced gun radar. American Battleships could fire far more accurate at long ranges then Bismarck.
F4Wildcat Well I got different information an that but neither of us are right because there is always luck involved in combat and they never met so who knows what would have happened
Its like the first salvo of HMS Rodney. It immediatly took out a turret, then the forward command post, then the other turrets. Or the sinking of HMS Hood. No matter how you look at it, it was a one in a million shot Technology reduces the gap of Luck. But in war, Luck takes no favour. it flows where it want to.
Jimmy Seaver Not for me, but in South America not much peoples know english. In Argentina, my country, we know from the schooll, but others places isn't the same history.
Does not You Tube have a button for this? Not that it matters. For I agree they should have voices for their vids in every lingo. I mean its gotta be nuts in the EU.
In Europe almost everyone speaks english. Aside from a few older persons, or some ex USSR affiliated countries, where they didn't learn english in school but russian.
Meanwhile his nice point on "Immunity Zones" is pretty much *useless* for in-game knowledge - as it does not exist in World of Warships. Ironically the cause for the "citadel-proof" turtleback's of German Battleships (and some British, Russian and Japanese Battleships) - is also the cause for the non-existence "citadel deck penetrations" from AP shells (not bombs) and of "Immunity Zones" that Battleships with late war All or Nothing armour schemes of the IJN and USN perfected. In other words in-game mechanics result in German Battleships being citadel-proof - while the *South Dakota, Iowa, Montana and Yamato* - which featured the best of *All or Nothing* and the *BIGGEST immunity zones* of any battleship of other nations - *TO NEVER GET USE THEIR IMMUNITY ZONES* (as they dont exist in game - unless you snipe from 30+km)... which is why... German Steel (Turtleback) > late war USN/IJN All or Nothing.
leisurely bombardment hahaha. I would still like to know what went through the head of the Lebanese and Iraqi's when they saw Battleships raining 16in death upon them?
Being from mobile and seeing this ship many many times it’s really awe inspiring. Was happy to see someone talking about her.
As a Brit, who used to live in Alabama (long story). I've visited the USS Alabama once, and it is an incredibly interesting and fascinating Museum ship to behold.
To be honest, I am sad that I can't visit museum ships or also tank museums.
Since how the war went, germany doesn't have alot of stuff left to actually showcase...
It would have been very interesting to set foot on one of the famous german ships, for example.
I would also love to visit a Yamato/Musashi, for example...
For the american or british ships, I would have to go to there, maybe one day I will be able to do that, because those ships as well would be rather interesting to see.
One day I also want to go to Bovington as well, see all tanks over there, including Tiger 131...
I would seriously suggest it! I used to live about 15 miles from Bovington, and would visit every so often to see any additions or changes. Some of the vehicles in there are incredibly fascinating, others bizarre, and a lot of the German vehicles down right awe-inspiring.
Following that, a trip to Chatham Dockyard, in Kent, would be worthwhile too, as it has 3 Museum ships, including HMS Cavalier. Not to mention, Portsmouth is pretty much in between Bovington and Chatham, and offers Harbour tours of the area.
It would not cost too much to pop over and have a look for a couple of days, especially if you bring camping equipment.
I am not the biggest friend of camping, but I think I'd find a solution. Still, I have to note that down, all those locations would be rather nice to visit and it is easier to get there compared to an american museum...
Yeah, having experienced the "joy" that is trying to get anywhere in the US, being able to hop on a bus/train to get somewhere in the UK is like heaven. It took my friend and I 4 hours to drive from just outside Birmingham, Alabama to Mobile, AL in average traffic.
SomeBloke8895 the beach is nice tho
Live a few hours from Mobile Bay and have been to see the Alabama numerous times. Just wanted to point out that the movie "Under Siege" starring Steven Seagal, Tommy Lee Jones and Gary Busey was filmed on the Alabama.
You pronounced "Mobile" correctly.
You magnificent bastard, you!
I wish I could heart this
For ship designers, battleships and cruisers would have had armor designed to stand up to that ship's own man battery. What Chieftain could have added regarding the North Carolina class ships, those two ships were originally designed to mount 12 of the same 14" guns that preceding classes mounted. The Washington Naval Treaty limited new construction battleships to a maximum gun caliber of 14", thus the NC class armor scheme was designed around this. When other nations subject to the treaty (ahem ... Japan) withdrew from that limitation, by moving quickly the USN was able to replace the three quad 14" turrets with three triple turrets mounting the same 16"/45 caliber guns carried in the Colorado class, but the armor could not be upgraded to a standard to stand up to 16" fire without seriously overloading the ship.
The treaty still limited ship displacement to 35,000 tons standard. Both the North Carolina and following South Dakota class like Alabama met (barely) that limitation. Unlike the NC, the South Dakota's are armored to protect against 16" fire.
You forgot to mention that the USS Alabama led the fleet into Tokyo bay for the surrender ceremony.
rushwal I too felt betrayed by this omission.
That's awesome information!!!
"You forgot to mention that the USS Alabama led the fleet into Tokyo bay for the surrender ceremony" Yeah, they figured they could lose her. BTW, the first US ship to enter Tokyo Bay at the end of the war was the minesweeper USS Revenge (AM-110)
USS Alabama is my Primary Ship in the game, I love her, she moves like a Heavy Cruiser.
Hit Like a Battleship, Move like a Cruiser.
but her armor is just like a cruiser
Kano P if you angle correctly you could tank a lot of incoming AP shells.(maybe not Yamato's or Musashi's)
ya, but the sideboard of all US battleship are just like a cruiser, even a Russian cruiser can break the armor
Kano P remember tho. Russian cruisers AP can penetrate pretty damn hard. Plus giving broadside in any battleships could easily get punish.
but for German bb....
I've been to the Alabama a few times back in my childhood but I always most enjoyed going on board the USS Drum. I was a sub geek in those days and wasted many, MANY hours playing Red Storm Rising back then. That reminds me, I need to give Cold Waters a try.
Thank you for a very informative history lesson of the USS Alabama. Well done Chieftain.
I've visited the USS Alabama several times. I have my picture taken in the ready room beneath the first turret standing next to the 16" shells.
Visiting her and the USS Drum (a Gato-class sub) is fascinating. Go from the relatively battleship interior over to the claustrophobic sub interior. The aircraft hanger has a lot too, including an A-12 (variant of the SR-71).
I love history with The Chieftain! Almost as much as history with Jingles..
Wish Jingles would do more history talks in Mingles with Jingles, like what he promised...
But it's Jingles and we'll love him anyway.
i loved it when he read passages of Chruchills ministry of ungentlemanly warfare loved it so much i got a copy shipped from england to australia
He should do audiobooks because of that amazingly calm voice
IBlame PLDT
Also his amazing laugh.
Jingles and history..... yeah okay...
Did I just hear you correctly? A five inch gun mount fired into another one? I thought they had figured out how to stop that from happening. Anyway, I enjoyed your video.
You heard right. Killed 5 men. The turret they died in has a memorial plaque on it now.
A new chieftain vid. Finally.
blaster1 112 I thought the exact same thing 👍🏼
I used to live in Providence, RI, and was a member of the "Friends of the Battleship Massachusetts," the sister ship of the USS Alabama. I am very familiar with this class, having visited the Massachusetts dozens of times. I am also a U. S. Navy Vietnam veteran. I liked this video. Lots of information packed into it. For those interested in the subject, I might recommend the book, U. S. Battleships, An Illustrated Design History by Norman Friedman.
Out of all the museum ships I've visited Alabama was the best mostly because it was the least restrictiver in where you could explore and because the crew removed the forward most turrets barbet (or armor encasement if barbet isnt the correct term) and you could see a lot more of the mechanisms involved in reloading her guns
“Oh my god my battleship is on my fire”
I was a cub scout and I got to actually sleep on the USS Alabama twice and now i'm in the BSA and where planning on going back to do the same again once the museum staff allows us to.
What is worth mentioning is that North Carolina was designed originally to mount quad 14” guns in 3 turrets (that being the treaty limit at that time and also why the KGVs have 14” guns) and that’s why her armor scheme was designed against 14” guns. Very late in the process as a result of Japan withdrawing from the Washington Naval treaty it became possible to mount 16” guns under the treaty which allowed replacing the planned quad 14s with triple 16s. It was however too late to redesign her armor scheme. The South Dakota Class was an effort to create a treaty battleship armored against the 16” 45 2240lb shell. In this they were remarkably successful although with (as Chieftain notes) compromises as a result. Their design (and that of the Iowa’s) were however, unbalanced once again when BuOrd developed the 2700lb AP round. The SD’s and Iowa’s were too far along for anything more than token changes and could not be properly protected against the 2700lb round. That wasn’t going to happen until the Montana class which was developed with the 2700lb round as the standard from the start. As Friedman notes the difficulty the US Navy had in designing a ship that could be protected against the 16”50 2700lb combination was a major factor in staying with that weapon for the Montana’s as they considered it perfectly sufficient.
The museum is free to all active duty and retirees. I went there twice, while I was there, I ate a ton of Cajun boils. XD. Good times.
FullMetalChicken Gulf coast seafood is best seafood.
I've been to Mobile once, years ago. We ate at Tacky Jacks, right across from the Alabama. I think I spent the entire meal staring out the window at her. Sadly, the trip didn't give me time to visit.
They should play this video at the vistor center, or on the ship, best overview of the ship's service I have seen. The video's they play on the ship are old, like from the 90s, there was only one, but it had vets talking about their service and their roles on ship. It would serve you well to watch videos like this one before you go visit. There was a room with action reports displayed talking about the service, which was neat.
Oh, and sadly, there was no discount codes or Redeem codes to get the ship from WG in the gift shop!! I was thinking it would be a no brainer for WG to sell the Alabama Premium ship using Redeem codes at the GIFTSHOP for that ship!! Talk about hooking new players into the game. Explore the ship, then buy a video game version!! Sadly, that is not the case.
I'm in the final pages of _Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors_ and my biggest takeaway lesson is how the inexorable march of technology made these magnificent battleships obsolete in the face of air attack. My own service was aboard one of the battleships that was converted to an aircraft carrier mid-construction, the USS Coral Sea. Now, IMHO, even carriers are obsolete given advances in missile technology.
Nice video. Do all of the WarGaming shirts have short right sleeves and long left sleeves?
Great stuff. Informative and well-delivered. Cheers!
Don’t know if it’s been asked already in prior comments but what about USS Massachusetts vs Jean Bart for SoDak class combat vs other BBs?
Outstanding, the history of the ships is fascinating , well done Chieftain
Come visit Mobile and visit her! fun ship to tour you can climb all over just about everywhere!
Re North Carolina - She was designed and built under the provisions of the Second London Naval Treaty, which limited battleships to 35,000 tons and 14 inch guns (which is why the King George V class mounted guns of the caliber). Originally, both classes were planned to be 35,000 ton, 28 knot ships mounting 12 Fourteen inchers in quad turrets. The KGV's had B turret reduced to a 2 gun installation to increase armor elsewhere. The North Carolinas had a more radical transformation. The treaty had an escalator clause that could be invoked if a country withdrew from the treaty regime that permitted gun caliber to rise to 16 inches. Japan withdrew and the US invoked the clause. Unfortunately, it was too late to do anything about increasing her armor to match her new gun caliber - that would have required an entirely new design. But Bureau of Ordnance had cannily designed her barbettes to be capable of mounting either a quad 14 inch turret or a triple 16 inch one and had the plans already drawn up for the later resulting in a comparatively easy change in armament.
Would like to know more about the Immune Zone
My favourite ship in this game
The Chieftain is the Irish uncle you never had but wished you did
Die Alibama
Die Alibama
Die Alibama he kom oor die see 🎶
Exultant Vid Chief , we need more of these they are very interesting . Thank You :)
Great vid, would love to see more
Well hello Chief, didn't expect to find you here.. well maybe a little bit, since you work for WoT.. but still nice to see you. Have a good day.
Everybody on that ship: sweet home Alabama.
Its a yearly tradition to visit the Massachusetts. We love that ship!
Well done, Chieftain! Lots of stuff I didn’t know and well presented!
Want to see more of these, batlle for the Solomons would be very interesting.
Enjoy all your videos
Good job.. Enjoyed it immensely. So, when will we see the mentioned video on Guadalcanal? Look forward to that one.
Excellent video, Wargaming and WoWs team. More like this, please!!
When talking about the North Carolina’s with their lack of armor protection, it was almost comedic that the navy thought they could stand up against the Bismarck and Yamato class battleships. The South Dakota class were much better suited in terms of armor protection to stand up to such heavily armored battleships of Germany and Japan.
The American navy followed the Washington treaty limitations pretty closely for the North Carolina class. But with the Japanese dropping out of the treaty and Germany and Italy ignoring it entirely, the US navy started to play loose with the limitations, though they legally up-gunned to the 16in guns. Britain however stuck very closely to the treaty, the King George5 class was reduced from 12 52cal 14in guns to 10 47cal guns to come under the 35k ton limit. The South Dakotas were never meant to be peace time ships, the US navy understood that the over crowding would only be tolerated in war time, and thus it was planned to mothball them immediately after the war. Sadly, the South Dakota and Indiana were scrapped after 1958, along with the USS Washington.
Great video - well done WG and Chieftain
I didn't know USS Alabama was a tank...
mihajlo olujic She moonlights as one in the game. Go bow on.
Do more of these!
Great ship to visit! Matt C
Wouldn't a flat deck be more efficient considering the angle of trajectory against large guns? Not considering bombers?
Yes. Those Southern States do love their ships. At the age of nine I put my dimes in a can at school to help buy the USS North Carolina - and two years later - July 1, 1963 I got to play on her, manning the 40 & 20 mm guns as I shot down hordes of make believe Japanese aircraft - the biggest toy a boy could ever have.
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In 1967 I went on a 4th grade school field trip to visit the Alabama. One of my friends and I couldn't wait to get to the 40mm mounts which were still in operation for slew and elevation. With about 7 or 8 classmates hanging all over the mount we began cranking like made. The mount started rotating and the girls all screamed. The chaperone nearly fainted. We were in heaven!
@@steveturner3999 Yes. That was me and my brother on the N.C. :-)
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Not just the Southern States, NY has at least 4 museum ships that I know of- 3 in Buffalo (4 if you count the PT boat, but you can't currently get inside that), and 1 in Albany. Mass has 4 as well: Salem, Massachusetts (Alabama's sister ship), a destroyer, and the Constitution. NJ has the NJ, (and an abandoned WWII sub that used to be a museum) PA has a protected cruiser of Spanish American war vintage in Philly, and a sub in- of all places- Pittsburg, lol. There is even a German U-boat in Chicago! The USS Nautilus- the first nuclear sub- sits in Groton, CT, and another sub is in Portsmouth NH, by the old Navy Yard.
The museum in Buffalo even managed to get a chunk of one of South Dakota's 16" guns, and a 16" AP projectile. Lots of other cool stuff there too- like a P-39 Airacobra (which were made in neighboring Niagara Falls), and a couple of jets.
No doubt about it- museum ships are very cool to visit. They really give you a new perspective on what it was really like to fight in Naval battles back then.
@@pyroman6000 Yeah. And of course - Pearl Harbor has the Missouri moored right past the Arizona - the beginning and ending of WWII for the US. I can remember driving by the piers where two of the battleships were moored in 1987 - and I got to go aboard the New Jersey once when she visited the area before deploying to Vietnam.
I'm still gotten away with the fact that New York didn't manage to come up with the money for CV-6 - if ever there was a ship that deserved to be preserved that was it.
I don't know if it's the same but when I was a kid there near Portsmouth - they had the conning tower of a submarine at one of those bases. Sad to say - I was there for the launching of the Thresher and knew a kid whose father was a civilian technician aboard her when she went down. I didn't live there any more but I heard from one of my friends. Very sad time for the area.
I can remember when the movie Sink The Bismarck came out. WWII hadn't been over that long and when that ship was at sea - it was something the people there were aware of. It was never going to - but - if it had tried it had the ability to sail over and shell the place - of course the US wasn't in the war then. One of the places I went exploring as a child was the coastal artillery battery on the south side of the river mouth (guns were long gone) and there was a crumbling tower from the war of 1812 in our front yard. One thing about the eastern coast of the US is there's a lot of history there.
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Proud sea faring state of Kansas LOL
Jason Chesser 🤣😆
yeah ..that kinda killed me too...lol
Enjoyed the history thanks!
Should do one about the USS New Jersey BB-62
I wounder, which warship story that Chieftain likes the best told or on told and if he has yet to make a video of it would he ?
Please do a USS Missouri and Iowa next :D
I've been aboard the USS Alabama 30 years ago, enjoyed every minute of it.
Except for my nagging Brit born wife it was fun.
I have exchanged her for one born on the Rhine. She's a keeper.
I like how I got the notification for this video right as I finish up watching it. Day late and a buck short, youtube.
Love this guy
We going to see Uss Massachusetts in 7.6 ? :)
Great summary!
Where the hell have you been? How irresponsible to keep my learning waiting! Crap assides thanks for this ! More please!
What is a Chicago piano?
An anti aircraft weapon that was rapidly replaced by the Bofors 40mm quad mounts along with multipurpose five inch gun turrets
Robert Dawson thank you
I thought the alabama was going to be one of those one time sales when they actually said it would awhile ago so..i put alittle less than $100 into it.... ;-; so much for that
Chieftain, excellent analysis you sound like you should be working for WarGaming as a consultant, Are you?
Anybody else notice the two different sleeve lengths?
no subtitle?
How come no one talks about the STS layer of steel that could decap a 16" ap round?
Because it's debatable how effective it might have been since it never really was tested by hostile shellfire. Same with the Vittorio Veneto class and its "composite" belt armor. You can do the math and say, hey, it should work this way under the assumptions we've made setting up these equations, but you never really know what other countries might have been doing with shell design.
I like leisurely bombardment , it'S like taking holiday. I like the telling of Battle at River Plata, more better.
Very much enjoy your talks - bgreat balance between the technical and human side. But please, if you have any influence w the producers, get rid of the distracting background "elevator music". Not only annoying but it often obscures what you are saying... which sort of degrades all the efforts of your research and presentation. 🍁🍁
Battleship X!!! - USS South Dakota BB-57 - the only Sodak class that saw any significant surface action and one of most, if not most, decorated USN BB of the war....but yet we have the Alabama. I suppose the name South Dakota isn't as marketable and the fact that they actually have the Alabama that they could tour for details helped to secure the spot.
Tony Dorschner...probably because Alabama still floats as a museum ship. Poor old South Dakota was sold for scrap.
Well the Massachusetts sunk the Vici French battleship Jean Barte in gun exchange while the Jean Barte was in drydock during operation torch
reblchemst I also figure that's a reason. We only have bits and pieces of the South Dakota on display. The officer's silver coffee service set was on display in Pierre. The South Dakota battleship museum is in Sioux Falls. Still a pretty cool place to visit.
Tony Dorschner First of all, Bama is still around as a museum ship and WG likes to put museum ships in the game. Second, there may one day be a SoDak in the tech tree as part of a secondary BB branch; the way Tirpitz was in the game long before Bismarck, who was put into the main line.
Dexter cochran Agreed regarding the museum ship.
You said mobile correctly!
WHEN THE ALABAMA’S KEEL WAS LAID
oh wait wrong Alabama
Glorious
SWEET HOME ALABAMA!!!
What good is an instructional aid when all you can see is lips and hands? Why bother putting anything is the mini screen if it can't be seen?
Que mal, no está subtitulado al español!!!
The best tier VIII premium BB.
I'm a U.S.S. Washington fan, but the South Dakotas are the best looking BBs the USN built.
I mean ... Chieftain could always just go to the Alabama and show her himself
Y los subtítulos ?
I’ve been on Massachusetts a bunch of times but never Alabama
It's the USS Drum
If I’m ever down that way I’ll check it out USS Massachusetts is at battleship cove in Fall River it’s great they have two PT Boat a destroyer a sub and a soviet Corvette
I went there to see the USS Alabama the migs are huge "migs are Russian planes" the B52 bomber was also great
Did you notice the 16" projectiles being used to anchor the outside aircraft from the wind?
Interesting history. A different backdrop would be preferable.
so this tank floats on the water and has a very big main gun... XD
Sweet home
RMFT! RTR!
I like history and ship stats.. but only yards said ..realy is it everyone american ?? is there no possibility to convert as youu speak on universal mesures ?? like EU ppl would apreciatte a lot.. thank you very much....
Very nice, Why is it I find WarGaming's video's and short doc's more enjoyable then their game. :/
Naviss Their game is kinda struggling recently, I feel like there's a lack of content/event
Théorie: it's not all, it's not nothing ! This Man explains it very well through " thé theory" of immunité, which has nous réalité during War Times. But you should think of it, anyway, before taking thé right décision.
Tirpitz would have gotten mauled by Alabama, no wonder she stayed in port.
Without a doubt. As good as Tirpitz armor was, it would have been flattened by Alabama on both long as short range engagements. By weight of broadside alone, North carolina, south dakotas and Iowas could throw 11ton per salvo. Only Yamato surpassed that by 2 ton. Bismarck class BB's could only throw 6ton per salvo. And had only slightly better rate of fire.
In pretty much every way, exept short range armor protection and speed, does the South dakota comes superior over Bismarck
Both of you are experts on the topic right and know that German fire control was more advanced right?
Incorrect. American firecontrol was better thanks to advanced gun radar. American Battleships could fire far more accurate at long ranges then Bismarck.
F4Wildcat Well I got different information an that but neither of us are right because there is always luck involved in combat and they never met so who knows what would have happened
Its like the first salvo of HMS Rodney. It immediatly took out a turret, then the forward command post, then the other turrets. Or the sinking of HMS Hood. No matter how you look at it, it was a one in a million shot
Technology reduces the gap of Luck. But in war, Luck takes no favour. it flows where it want to.
yaaay chieftan in wows
MOREEEEEEEEEE
INSIDE THE SHIPS MAYBE?
USS Texas!
Wargaming.net: Can you make videos in spanish? Not anyone can know english in South America.
Congrats for this excellent game!!!
Juan Pablo Melian I’m sure they could at least sub it in Spanish.
Jimmy Seaver Not for me, but in South America not much peoples know english. In Argentina, my country, we know from the schooll, but others places isn't the same history.
Does not You Tube have a button for this? Not that it matters. For I agree they should have voices for their vids in every lingo. I mean its gotta be nuts in the EU.
In Europe almost everyone speaks english. Aside from a few older persons, or some ex USSR affiliated countries, where they didn't learn english in school but russian.
My UA-cam has a auto translate button under the subtitles button not quite sure how that works cuz I speak english.
I want it!
Nice postcards you have on the wall there...couldn't afford real grafix?
Meanwhile his nice point on "Immunity Zones" is pretty much *useless* for in-game knowledge - as it does not exist in World of Warships. Ironically the cause for the "citadel-proof" turtleback's of German Battleships (and some British, Russian and Japanese Battleships) - is also the cause for the non-existence "citadel deck penetrations" from AP shells (not bombs) and of "Immunity Zones" that Battleships with late war All or Nothing armour schemes of the IJN and USN perfected.
In other words in-game mechanics result in German Battleships being citadel-proof - while the *South Dakota, Iowa, Montana and Yamato* - which featured the best of *All or Nothing* and the *BIGGEST immunity zones* of any battleship of other nations - *TO NEVER GET USE THEIR IMMUNITY ZONES* (as they dont exist in game - unless you snipe from 30+km)... which is why...
German Steel (Turtleback) > late war USN/IJN All or Nothing.
Deutscher Stahl!!!
Let's go draw Vietnam?
leisurely bombardment hahaha. I would still like to know what went through the head of the Lebanese and Iraqi's when they saw Battleships raining 16in death upon them?