And we wonder why the Scots actively want us to lose every tournament when all we do is bash their game despite how ridiculously rich (and corrupt) our game is. 🤣
Since 2000, Celtic and Rangers, from their tinpot league, buying players at 2 and 3 million pounds, have got to the UEFA / Europa league final 3 times. I’ve seen English teams with 700 million pound squads struggling the conference and Europa. With the finances in place Celtic would be a top 6 club.
If you include the fifa club World Cup in Europe since 2000 there’s been 13 occasions where an English team has won in Europe. Not to belittle Rangers or Celtic but they haven’t. I believe that any clubs who would join the premier league would struggle to fit in let alone do well in that and in European football at the same time.
Celtic and Rangers are massive. I’m in Australia and they have a bigger fan base here than Spurs and Newcastle. If they got in the EPL they would attract players if they are run properly. I can’t believe Andy doesn’t know how global those clubs are 😂
Wouldn't expect Goldstein to get it. A Londoner who supports a club from oop north! Celtic would prob have to adjust to playing in the PL but be in no doubt, them and Rangers are massive clubs and their revenue would increase exponentially that would enable them to compete for top 6!
I’m a Celtic fan and the way I interpret it is, he’s baiting Darren Bent to say Celtic are a big club. But bent doesn’t know how to give a different answer and keeps answering all the set ups the same way. Goldstein isn’t showing his true opinion here..
I agree. You look at their squads, they would struggle to survive in the Prem right now. In future with the money the Prem would bring them, that's a different story.
@@LailandiAdventuresBecause the majority of their players would be Championship Quality at best. The SPL's all time leading scorer is Kris Boyd, who tried to play in England and was quickly turfed out, because he wasn't anywhere near as effective in The Championship.
Nothing is ever a guarantee. Fanbase alone won’t guarantee top 6, that’s true. But there’s far more to consider than just fans turning up to watch the games. With Celtic in particular, they have that ‘Irish connection’ across the world with a fanbase of an approximately 12 million, with 1 million of these in North America alone and 800 supporters clubs globally, those are insane numbers and that’s the difference between Celtic and the likes of Leeds, Newcastle, Sunderland, Everton etc who have a good following but not anywhere near the same scale. Such a following will attract major global investors who lap up that kind of support. Not to mention the money they’d make from it with the club in a huge league. Taking that into account, plus the money that comes with playing in that league, plus sponsorships, plus spending power to attract better players along with a large fanbase would give them a great chance. Unlike Leeds, Newcastle, Sunderland Everton etc, Celtic have already carved out a global reputation and interest for their atmosphere and fanbase (particularly while they’re exposed to the champion’s league audience) and that’s while they’re currently a Scottish league member, imagine what kind of club they’d be in a bigger league.
Oh the same old bullshit. Supporters clubs are tiny. Google them and you'll see they're all just made up from a couple of dozen ex pats. There are 80 supporters celtic clubs in the USA. That means you'll have about 2000 fans there. That's chicken feed. The big clubs measure their fanbase in millions. If you had this massive fanbase you wouldn't need the EPL because you'd be generating your own huge tv income. Sky would be all over you like a rash but the truth is, there isn't a global market for celtic and rangers. Face facts, you're journeymen in Celtic. You are there to make the numbers up. You are the same size as Bodo Glimt.
Celtic’s fanbase IS measured in millions you little fool 🤣🤣🤣🤣the supporters club statistic was an example of fan outreach on a global scale, not how many can physically attend the buildings you actual muppet, unless you’re wilfully blind or deliberately glossing over where I specifically said their fanbase is measured in the tens of millions. 12 million globally at least. The only EPL clubs that can remotely compete with those numbers are United and Liverpool. Of course, that’s if you don’t include foreign glory hunters who have nothing to do with English football who’ve jumped on the backs of Dubai United or Rasputin FC when Abramovich was running the roost there. I know it’s a bit embarrassing for your little brain to comprehend a Glasgow club having a bigger fan count than the overwhelming majority of the EPL members but come to terms with it little man, you’ll sleep better.
The reason Celtic don’t progress anymore is because when they find the best players that are unknown and perform at Celtic. Premier league comes along and takes them as the SPFL dosent have any money they sell there players.
Plus they have been reticent to invest more heavily in the squad, playing it safe. Even when up against smaller clubs who do invest it's been tough to compete
Exactly so when Celtic are trying to build a solid squad with great chemistry they'll have to constantly reset this plan year after year when a premier league club or any top 5 leagues offer them a big wage.
Andy Goldstein doesn't get it. Making Celtic comparisons with Everton. Players love playing for Celtic or Rangers because the atmosphere is on another level. theyd have the EPL money with attraction of the stadiums atmospheres'. its like Red Star Belgrade here, in Scotland all Pyros, Tifos, singing non-stop.
Mate the disrespect towards Kille was dumb af. To say "Celtic got beat by killie this season" show you he has not paid attention to killies season. They have done amazing this season and managed to get wins from both top 2 teams.
The difference is celtic have an identity that makes them appealing world wide. They have a huge fan base in North America because of the Irish diaspora. The story of celtic sells world wide a club started out of charity fighting against the establishment. There are clubs in England that have big supports from where they come from and there identity is where they come from nobody cares outside of that area. You go to peru you find a celtic supporters club
I live in North America and not a single person here is waking up to watch Celtic or rangers. City shirts absolutely everywhere here now, more than United and anyone else in England. They don’t sell Celtic or rangers shirts here in Mexico, nobody knows who you are. Leave Scotland and you’ll see
@@jakecook4816 I am a Scotsman now staying in Melbourne. there is 3 Celtc supporters clubs in Melbourne. I have been in 2 of them for games and they are rammed full. for a team that has played in an agreed weakened league for the las twenty years then why is there over 800 Celtic supporters clubs world wide and only over 300 supporters clubs for Liverpool and Man Untd. Wearing a replica top doesn't amount to be a supporter of being a club
I don't think you can actually predict how well they would do, because they have not recruited at a high level in decades. The only thing we know for certain is that Celtic is run better than Rangers. Celtic is so used to domestic glory that their fans cannot comprehend having to compete with more than one club with a similar budget.
Celtic would become a powerhouse in PL , overnight every kid in Ireland would drop their PL team to support them so in a generation they'd have the support of an entire country . Can assume Rangers would get a lot of support from England also .
Obviously there is always exceptions to the rule but generally size means success the cl highlights this .. management etc is obviously vital ..Celtic 60000 with 20,000 on waiting list playing in the Scottish league what like the demand be in premiership? Stadium expansion the money coming in would be huge . The world’s greatest players speak of the atmosphere being the best they have experienced .As a Londoner I can say Glasgow is a seriously cool city so would attract players .. This guy speaks from total ignorance.. Ask Joe hart Frazier Forster who have experienced big clubs in England and Celtic they say Celtic is a completely different level . Also look at every league in the world there is a massive corolation between size wealth and success that’s fact .
I've been fortunate enough to travel to 71 countries in my life and I've seen locals wearing Rangers strips in more than half of them 🇬🇧 It was an absolute pleasure to spend time with my fellow Bluenoses in places such as Costa Rica, USA, Canada, Mexico, Denmark, Norway, Latvia, Germany, Slovakia, Bulgaria, The Netherlands, Italy, Croatia, Macedonia, Cyprus, Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, UAE, Georgia, Singapore, Hong Kong, The Philippines, Malaysia and South Africa 🌍
@@kygodragon4782 You want me to name the 71 countries I've been to? 🌍 Here goes... North America: USA, Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Cuba, Jamaica and Costa Rica 8️⃣ Africa: Lesotho, South Africa, Nigeria, Egypt and Morocco 5️⃣ Asia: Hong Kong, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Malaysia, The Philippines and Singapore (13) 💙 Europe: Scotland, England, Wales, France, Belgium, The Netherlands, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland, Luxembourg, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Spain, Portugal, Italy, San Marino, The Vatican, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Austria, Czechia, Austria, Slovakia, Hungary, Ukraine, Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia, Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Greece, Malta and Cyprus (45) 💪🏻 I'm taking my wife to Mauritius next month for our third wedding anniversary and that will be country number 72 🇲🇺
These two clubs are massive but Scotland wants independence so stay where you are. Funny how people hate everything about England but when it comes to money they will sell out.
The old firm with their current playing squads would be cannon fodder in the premier league & would struggle to stay in the division,let alone top 6, that's not even worth a discussion.
I support neither Celtic or Rangers but am Glasgow born and North Lanarkshire bred (still live in North Lanarkshire) and Andy simply doesn't get it. It's not about the size of the two clubs alone, but what it means to succeed as a player at either of the two. The lure of playing for Celtic or Rangers if they were in the EPL would be ENORMOUS for a player, and where Andy doesn't get it, Darren does. He knows that if both Celtic or Rangers were in the EPL the opportunity to be set for life, way beyond playing or media work and the riches it brings, is a huge lure. It's basically Legend status, and even with both playing in a not great league, the players who stick around, drink in what it means to play for either club, and succeeds, means they go recognised among these clubs international support. It's just different up in Glasgow and North/South Lanarkshire compared to bloody Bournemouth or even Tottenham, City, and I need not go on. When Ange's time is over at Spurs, regardless of his level of success, he will confirm that. Liverpool and Manchester United? Different story, but not one in which those two would automatically dwarf either Celtic or Rangers when it comes to expectations and overall brand, if they were all in the same league.
Wouldn’t mind seeing a structural change whereby, the top 2 Scottish teams play off against the championship third and fourth teams to see who gets in the PL. obviously money would need to go into the SPL to support it so lots financially to solve for but would put theories to the test. You could end up with an entirely Scottish premier league in England over time but would be interesting to see.
Wayne Rooney just said he wished he played for Celtic, as a Scotsman I wanna see Celtic/rangers leave maybe they can start in the championship, I'm surprised Rangers didn't go south when they went into administration.
I'm a celtic fan, and the comment on Manchester United at the start sums it up really. They're the biggest most famous club in England, but struggle to be top 6. Leeds are equally as big as Celtic and Rangers, with history and support, and they're a yo-yo club. If they'd got into England in the late 90s early 00s then they'd probably be thriving now, but as it stands they're miles behind.
It all depends how it goes. PL have grown massive strong sides, that compete year in, year out. Plus it's far more competitive than the Scottish League. It'll add more of a challenge than playing smaller squads in Scotland. That's the difference here.
I think they would similar to Newcastle after a few years in the league; unfortunately it can be difficult to get overseas players to play in the north.... and they are really north.
I am an AFC Bournmeouth fan and our ground holds just over 12,000 but we comfortably stayed up this season, after the players understood Andoni's playing style, We beat United 3 nil at Old Trafford and were the better team in our 2 all draw at Home. Size of the stadium is not as important. Bradford City's stadium is twice the size of ours and they ar in League 2
Goldstein is underestimating the size of Celtic and the amount of worldwide support we have. We would be competing with Liverpool, Man U and city for players within a few years with PL money
@@johntate5050 English teams main source of income is TV money 😂 before the sky deal came in the 90s the teams were a lot closer in standard and that’s a fact
@@jasonhardie3813 If they were closer how come Liverpool & Forest won the European Cup (now the CL) numerous times, Villa won it and Man Utd, Spurs, Chelsea, Everton were all winning European trophies in the 70s and 80s but Celtic and Rangers won jack schitt? And where do you think that TV money comes from? It comes from fans wanting to watch English clubs. They don't want to watch Scottish clubs. The only reason why the English, Spanish, Italian and German clubs didn't have TV money back in the 80s and earlier is because global TV subscriptions weren't available to fans back then. If they were they'd have had the big money back then. Celtic and Rangers wouldn't. It was only the lack of TV access that made celtic and Rangers look big in the 70s and 80s.
@@johntate5050 Celtic were the first British team to win the European cup in 1967, rangers won the cup winners cup in 1972, Celtic European cup final 1970, Aberdeen won the cup winners up against Real Madrid in the 80s 😂 so you didn’t do your research very well, various European cup semis during that time also. I mean that was doing pretty well for a country with a tenth of the population of England. Italian football was the top league in the late 80s early 90s the premier league took over when all the money came in
@@jasonhardie3813 You don't understand how football works. You say if celtic had exposure and money. So why haven't they got it now if they're such a huge club? Why do they need the English? Celtic fans keep moaning about 'Sky money.' You don't understand how it works. Sky don't generate any money, they use the money generated by the clubs. People don't pay to subscribe to Sky just to see the Sky logo. They pay to watch football clubs. Sky take that money from Liverpool fans, United fans, Arsenal fans, Chelsea fans, Spurs fans etc, supply the tv coverage and then take a percentage of the profit. If celtic were a global club, Sky would be all over them. They'd sell tv subscriptions, millions of fans would pay and celtic and the SPL would be one of the biggest leagues in the world.....but it isn't because the global support for Celtic doesn't exist. What Celtic fans really want is to parasite off the EPL. They want to jump ship and reap the rewards from a league that they have not helped build. If celtic are a big club it'd already be reflected in tv deals, shirt sales and social media. It has nothing to do with the English and their league. The evidence of being a big club should already be evident, but it isn't. You can't claim to be a big club and then complain that you don't get the same money as the English clubs. the English aren't responsible for Celtic. they have nothing to do with you, your circumstances or you lack of wealth. That is 100% your responsibility and your true size on the world stage. You are not a big club.
Celtic and Rangers are bigger than every club in the premier league apart from Uniter and Liverpool. Everywhere I've ever been in the world I see Celtic bars I don't see Chelsea bars or Spurs bars 😂😂 I certainly don't see 115 charges fc bars.
Goldstein is unwell, and the “it’s a two horse race up there” did It 😂 Spain two team league, Germany one team league largely, France one, Italy (inter and Juventus won 18 of the last 20’odd titles) and drum roll……. England, one team, two?
Goldstein absolutely miles off it. Both clubs are considerably bigger than 80% of the premier league, with the exception of united & Liverpool. Given the money / marketing / resources within 4-5 years both Glasgow clubs would be dominant.
@@johntate5050 investment from elsewhere won’t come unless the clubs are in Englands top flight that’s my point mate . Foreign investment with multimillion pounds are all over the premier league clubs.
@@billymcginn1999 That proves celtic & Rangers aren't as big as you claim. France have the 4th richest league in the world but only 1 big club. The SPL should be bigger if Celtic & Rangers are as big as you claim. The truth is, there's no global following for Celtic & Rangers. If there was Sky would be all over them like a rash.
Bent am glad you speak from the heart ..this Goldstein is clown 🤡!! His ignorance about Kilmarnock this season also is astounding!! They been great this season they’ve beat everybody in the league !!
Everton should be above the likes of Fulham, Bournemouth, Palace, Brighton and Wolves based on the logic that being a bigger club means you'll inevitably float to the top. Newcastle only turned a corner after being bought by an oil state. They were a Championship club less than a decade ago despite having a fanbase larger than half the premier league.
All this said, they'd never be allowed to just switch over straight to the Prem, they'd have to go through the pyramid in some way, starting no higher than League Two.
You're a 30 mill player. Celtic and Rangers have the TV money now theyre in the Prem. Who is the player going to sign for? A team like Celtic or Rangers?! Or an Everton, Bournemouth, West Ham etc... it wouldn't take Glasgow's big two long to establish themselves firmly in the top half.
Celtic would immediately have one of the biggest fan bases, one of the biggest stadiums, one of the best scouting networks and is extremely well run being operated on profit year in year out with the added tv revenue they would bring in and the added sponsorship they would get it would easily turn them into one of the most profitable teams in the world not to mention that going forward most people in Ireland and Scotland would just end up supporting Celtic or rangers as apposed to English clubs. Celtic is essentially every Irish persons default team but most support English clubs as the league is better but if Celtic played in the premier league the level of support would shift away from English clubs to Celtic guaranteed
@@conradblack779 Why not? Football is global these days. Celtic are trapped in a time warp where the ball weighed half a tonne when it was wet, when the half time talk was done over a fag and a meat pie and everyone in the crowd wore a flap cap and carried a wooden rattle.
You don't understand how football works. You say if celtic had exposure and money. So why haven't they got it now if they're such a huge club? Why do they need the English? Celtic fans keep moaning about 'Sky money.' You don't understand how it works. Sky don't generate any money, they use the money generated by the clubs. People don't pay to subscribe to Sky just to see the Sky logo. They pay to watch football clubs. Sky take that money from Liverpool fans, United fans, Arsenal fans, Chelsea fans, Spurs fans etc, supply the tv coverage and then take a percentage of the profit. If celtic were a global club, Sky would be all over them. They'd sell tv subscriptions, millions of fans would pay and celtic and the SPL would be one of the biggest leagues in the world.....but it isn't because the global support for Celtic doesn't exist. What Celtic fans really want is to parasite off the EPL. They want to jump ship and reap the rewards from a league that they have not helped build. If celtic are a big club it'd already be reflected in tv deals, shirt sales and social media. It has nothing to do with the English and their league. The evidence of being a big club should already be evident, but it isn't. You can't claim to be a big club and then complain that you don't get the same money as the English clubs. the English aren't responsible for Celtic. they have nothing to do with you, your circumstances or you lack of wealth. That is 100% your responsibility and your true size on the world stage. You are not a big club.
The board don’t spend the money they make on getting out of the groups in Europe so they wouldn’t in the premier league either. Both clubs rely on being massive in Scotland but never any more. It would never happen anyway but if it did I fear they would not compete
This is a stupid argument because no-one ever asks the question in reverse. For example - How would Liverpool get on in the SPFL? The initial answer is that they would obviously win it. - but how much TV money would they get compared to what they currently get? - Would Anfield still be full every game if it was games vs Ross County, Motherwell, Dundee, St Johnstone.... instead of Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal, Man City.... - Would they be able to attract (and keep them for more than a season or two) players like VVD, Salah, Jota.... Or would they be constantly losing their best players to teams in richer leagues - Would they have the same shirt sponsorship & commercial revenue from playing in the SPFL? So after taking all of that in to account - How would Liverpool do in the SPFL isn't such an obvious answer. They'd likely be in a 3 way fight with Celtic & rangers most years. So now ask - "How would Celtic fare in the English Premier League?" I dunno but I'd imagine we'd fare a lot better than ANY EPL club would fare in Scotland!
You don't understand how football works. You say if celtic had exposure and money. So why haven't they got it now if they're such a huge club? Why do they need the English? Celtic fans keep moaning about 'Sky money.' You don't understand how it works. Sky don't generate any money, they use the money generated by the clubs. People don't pay to subscribe to Sky just to see the Sky logo. They pay to watch football clubs. Sky take that money from Liverpool fans, United fans, Arsenal fans, Chelsea fans, Spurs fans etc, supply the tv coverage and then take a percentage of the profit. If celtic were a global club, Sky would be all over them. They'd sell tv subscriptions, millions of fans would pay and celtic and the SPL would be one of the biggest leagues in the world.....but it isn't because the global support for Celtic doesn't exist. What Celtic fans really want is to parasite off the EPL. They want to jump ship and reap the rewards from a league that they have not helped build. If celtic are a big club it'd already be reflected in tv deals, shirt sales and social media. It has nothing to do with the English and their league. The evidence of being a big club should already be evident, but it isn't. You can't claim to be a big club and then complain that you don't get the same money as the English clubs. the English aren't responsible for Celtic. they have nothing to do with you, your circumstances or you lack of wealth. That is 100% your responsibility and your true size on the world stage. You are not a big club.
Hi guys from south africa ..celtic fan since 1967 ...darren your the man ..i would start by saying manu and liverpool and then celtic would be the top 3 teams in EPL if that would ever happened i am now talking about big clubs .3 world clubs not area clubs .i would be a really good bet celtic would be top 6 with a level playing field and i better not forget rangers another world club .ANDY nice try but u haven't got this one right HAIL HAIL
In time they would become a side on the level of Newcastle, but they would need years of PL money to do that. Potential to be Top 10 PL sides but only with investment.
Celtic and Rangers overachieve compared to any English clubs when you consider the budget. Andy completely underestimates how well supported they are, if the had money players would come, just like they come to the north of England
@@FalseTeeth-o4y no because TV doesn’t have to pay them much, you don’t have to know anything to know they’re easily in the top 10 most supported clubs, look it up mate
@@conorspence5332 Television companies don't generate any money. They use the money generated by the clubs. People wouldnt pay to just look at a Sky logo. They pay tv subscriptions to watch the big clubs, Sky use that money to show the games and then take a percentage. Celtic dont attract a global market so Sky don't invest in the SPL.
After watching Celtic & Rangers quite a lot this season, I was really surprised how poor they looked. In England, Celtic top 6 in the Championship, Rangers mid table. I've nothing against either club
Nah, rangers would finish higher than Celtic in the championship. Celtic need dodgy decisions to help them out. Celtic should be 7 points less than they are but they have Scottish refs in their pocket, Celtic have won only one game in Europe in ten years. Where rangers have done a final, a quarter final and two last 16’s in the past 5 seasons… rangers would finish higher than Celtic fact. Take away the refs that help Celtic and you would see Celtic stuggle to finish 3rd every season in Scotland.
Thats tough……. Their fans are a Top 6 club hands down no contest, but the squad is like slightly above Everton’s spot in the prem right now. Nothing but respect for Celtic, Jota on the Wing and all that but c’mon that squad ain’t levels like that. Best derby in the world though hands down. One thing that is bad about the Scottish Premiership is that it’s a two team league being little brother to the Prem…. I actually think it’s in Celtic’s best interest to join the prem, attract better players, better managers which would equal better success in the Champs League stages, U can never compete in the champs if the majority of your football is the Scottish Premiership
Yeh, you question Brendan Rodgers boys hahahaaa. Van Dijk laughed at Gary Neville when he was asked if the Celtic team he played in could cope in the prem. The Dutch accent and “they coast it” tells you all you need to know. John McGinn who came from St Mirren and Hibs “the time you get in the ball in England is ridiculous, I realistically have time to build a joint in the middle of that park before receiving the ball” 😂 Celtic had bench warmers like Ryan Christie and Stuart Armstrong who stroll the prem. Celtic with premier league draw, Jesus they’d be a problem
Celtic struggled against Kilmarnock a few months ago despite having 100 times their money. celtic would be skinned alive in the prem. Relegation season 1, mid table championship from then onwards with a few relegation battles thrown in over the decades.
Can’t believe once in my life time I actually agree with Goldstein all these Celtic and rangers fans who think they’ll be title challengers in the premier league just because of sky money really are deluded honestly just big clubs in Scotland yet they think there on par with the likes of real/barca/Bayern/milans have a day off seriously
@@michaelmartin9783 have you not read the comments fans going on as if there the biggest clubs in the world I’m sorry no way yes use are big in Scotland in what is really a non existent league
Yes Celtic and Rangers are big but proof that they wouldn’t finish top 6 in PL is that year after year without fail they nearly always finish 3rd or last in their CL group.
Am I wrong or did this guy not play a professional game in his life. He talks as if he's involved in the game other than through the radio. Please someone clarify this for me.
Andy is acting stupid here. Celtic could attract big names, which would give them a better chance of finishing top six. No one knows they would finish there but he seems to be talking out both sides of his mouth
No they cpuldnt, because no one outside of Scotland cares, it's why you have to come to England to get the big money because no one is interested in the spl
The difference is celtic & Rangers Have european heritage( in Europe every season since the dawn of time)more than any English team bar arsenal Man utd and Liverpool which means they have experience of playing better richer teams, celtics record against English opposition is Fantastic Rangers just went to the europa League final beating tuppence beating dortmund leipzig
Both would be mid-table at very best. Neither have the finances to grow or strengthen their teams and would find it hard to attract the top talent to come all the way up there.
There are already big clubs in the prem, if rangers and Celtic would finish top 6 which two out of chelsea, city, arsenal, spurs, man united and Liverpool aren’t going to finish above them?
@@scottking869 Van Dijk did & loved it. Paul Gascoigne did. i could name about 40 top players that did & rave about the experience. Scottish crowds are more like Dortmund or Legia Warsaw. Heavily Ultras & pyros and Tifos. its like 80's English scene brought into the 2000's. its unique and English players that come up say its the best atmosphere derbies & european games. Fun over money.
Neither do you apparently. 2022 Celtics turnover was about 122mil gbp with a profit of 40mil. Leicester was 285 turnover and that was with a value reduction of 16%. Celtic are barely....barely in PL territory as far as finances go.
Big money attracts big players. Thats why the best players play for teams who qualify for champs league on a regular basis. Celtic and Rangers would just be in the rat race with Newcastle, villa, Everton etc after a few seasons in prem league.
Goldstein entirely missing the point of how well celtic are run in terms of structure and recruitment as is. The clubs like Man U and chelsea soending big moneybin the PL struggling... they are run in total.shambles
I'm Scottish but not a fan of either Rangers or Celtic. Both are massive clubs, institutions in fact. Ask any English players who have played for either club and they will tell you. They both would struggle initially, but would in time be up there challenging at least. Between the 2 of them they have around 1400 supporters clubs worldwide.
Each supporters club just has a couple of dozen members. That's the difference between celtic and big clubs. Big clubs measure their fanbase in millions whereas Celtic measure their in dozens
Andy Goldstein being entitled as usual. It's not about attracting players. It's to to dk woth what you can pay these players.. when celtic can compete with the money of the Premier league they would "attract" bigger players than most premier league teams. It would take a few years granted.. pure and unadulterated playground argument from goldstein.
can we start a petition for talkSPORT to get goldstein some medical intervention to his delusionary behaviour, because it's just sad at this point how out of touch with reality he is, and how absolutely disgraceful his takes are.
@@johntate5050 i mean it's objectively not true and there's myriad ways to prove it, if you're genuinely trying to peddle this bullshittery as truth then I don't really know what to say to you, other than to inform you that you're a deluded Muppet who needs to get their head checked by a medical professional.
Funny how nobody and i mean nobody has gone to Celtic for the badge as the pay is awful in comparison to the prem. If Celtic were the club everyone wants to be at why hasnt big players retired there?.
Absolutely sick and tired of this conversation and that’s coming from a Celtic fan!!! Every year it comes up and it’s never going to happen!!! There was a vote on whether or not to let Celtic and Rangers in years ago and 14 voted against it. Yes we would struggle in the Premiership and probably the championship at first but after a few years we’d be flying with the money from the fans, commercial contracts and the money the league brings. Let’s end the conversation now because there’s no chance. 🍀
As of now they would be relegated. If they survive for 1 or 2 seasons, they can easily be a top 10. But only if they move to the premier league. They don't have the broadcast money at the moment.
And we wonder why the Scots actively want us to lose every tournament when all we do is bash their game despite how ridiculously rich (and corrupt) our game is. 🤣
The Scots can give it out but they can't take it.
Yes! Someone gets it.
No, the Scots want us to lose because of William Wallace
Since 2000, Celtic and Rangers, from their tinpot league, buying players at 2 and 3 million pounds, have got to the UEFA / Europa league final 3 times. I’ve seen English teams with 700 million pound squads struggling the conference and Europa. With the finances in place Celtic would be a top 6 club.
If you include the fifa club World Cup in Europe since 2000 there’s been 13 occasions where an English team has won in Europe. Not to belittle Rangers or Celtic but they haven’t. I believe that any clubs who would join the premier league would struggle to fit in let alone do well in that and in European football at the same time.
@@420blazeitraptormanlol look at Celtics results against English opposition in the past 20 years in Europe won more than lost
Celtic and Rangers are massive. I’m in Australia and they have a bigger fan base here than Spurs and Newcastle. If they got in the EPL they would attract players if they are run properly. I can’t believe Andy doesn’t know how global those clubs are 😂
cos spurs and newcastle have won next to sod all
@@lennon1482 You need to educate yourself
Just seen a list of 20 clubs with the most media followers. Celtic and rangers are not in it.
@@Bertie22222What do you mean? What he said is true
@@Freestyla- Spurs have won lots of trophies
Wouldn't expect Goldstein to get it. A Londoner who supports a club from oop north! Celtic would prob have to adjust to playing in the PL but be in no doubt, them and Rangers are massive clubs and their revenue would increase exponentially that would enable them to compete for top 6!
I think if they can stay in the league for the first few seasons they'll grow into a top 8 team
Then why haven't done nothing against English clubs in Europe
@@jalberto428 Every time Celtic have faced a top English side in Europe they have won.....only a few exceptions
@@jalberto428 Aston Villa are 4th and just got put out of conference league in semis, Rangers got to Europa league final just 2 seasons ago…
What?
Poor goldstein absolutely rattled 😂
I’m a Celtic fan and the way I interpret it is, he’s baiting Darren Bent to say Celtic are a big club. But bent doesn’t know how to give a different answer and keeps answering all the set ups the same way. Goldstein isn’t showing his true opinion here..
celtic are tiny. Ross County and Inverness are their level FACT!
Not one bit of hyperbole here when I say I question whether they could finish top 6 in championship.
Just an idiot
Why?
The reality is though that even Rangers, the 2nd team in Scotland were within a pen from winning the Europa league 2 years ago.
I agree. You look at their squads, they would struggle to survive in the Prem right now. In future with the money the Prem would bring them, that's a different story.
@@LailandiAdventuresBecause the majority of their players would be Championship Quality at best.
The SPL's all time leading scorer is Kris Boyd, who tried to play in England and was quickly turfed out, because he wasn't anywhere near as effective in The Championship.
Nothing is ever a guarantee. Fanbase alone won’t guarantee top 6, that’s true. But there’s far more to consider than just fans turning up to watch the games. With Celtic in particular, they have that ‘Irish connection’ across the world with a fanbase of an approximately 12 million, with 1 million of these in North America alone and 800 supporters clubs globally, those are insane numbers and that’s the difference between Celtic and the likes of Leeds, Newcastle, Sunderland, Everton etc who have a good following but not anywhere near the same scale. Such a following will attract major global investors who lap up that kind of support. Not to mention the money they’d make from it with the club in a huge league. Taking that into account, plus the money that comes with playing in that league, plus sponsorships, plus spending power to attract better players along with a large fanbase would give them a great chance. Unlike Leeds, Newcastle, Sunderland Everton etc, Celtic have already carved out a global reputation and interest for their atmosphere and fanbase (particularly while they’re exposed to the champion’s league audience) and that’s while they’re currently a Scottish league member, imagine what kind of club they’d be in a bigger league.
Oh the same old bullshit. Supporters clubs are tiny. Google them and you'll see they're all just made up from a couple of dozen ex pats. There are 80 supporters celtic clubs in the USA. That means you'll have about 2000 fans there. That's chicken feed. The big clubs measure their fanbase in millions.
If you had this massive fanbase you wouldn't need the EPL because you'd be generating your own huge tv income. Sky would be all over you like a rash but the truth is, there isn't a global market for celtic and rangers.
Face facts, you're journeymen in Celtic. You are there to make the numbers up. You are the same size as Bodo Glimt.
Celtic’s fanbase IS measured in millions you little fool 🤣🤣🤣🤣the supporters club statistic was an example of fan outreach on a global scale, not how many can physically attend the buildings you actual muppet, unless you’re wilfully blind or deliberately glossing over where I specifically said their fanbase is measured in the tens of millions. 12 million globally at least. The only EPL clubs that can remotely compete with those numbers are United and Liverpool. Of course, that’s if you don’t include foreign glory hunters who have nothing to do with English football who’ve jumped on the backs of Dubai United or Rasputin FC when Abramovich was running the roost there. I know it’s a bit embarrassing for your little brain to comprehend a Glasgow club having a bigger fan count than the overwhelming majority of the EPL members but come to terms with it little man, you’ll sleep better.
The reason Celtic don’t progress anymore is because when they find the best players that are unknown and perform at Celtic. Premier league comes along and takes them as the SPFL dosent have any money they sell there players.
Plus they have been reticent to invest more heavily in the squad, playing it safe. Even when up against smaller clubs who do invest it's been tough to compete
Exactly so when Celtic are trying to build a solid squad with great chemistry they'll have to constantly reset this plan year after year when a premier league club or any top 5 leagues offer them a big wage.
You mean just like what the Old Firm do with the other clubs in Scotland? Annoying, isn't it?!
Andy Goldstein doesn't get it. Making Celtic comparisons with Everton. Players love playing for Celtic or Rangers because the atmosphere is on another level. theyd have the EPL money with attraction of the stadiums atmospheres'. its like Red Star Belgrade here, in Scotland all Pyros, Tifos, singing non-stop.
Players love playing for Celtic and rangers because it’s a joke of a league.
You can't have tifos and pyros in the premier league and I'm not even sure if you can have drums so there goes half your atmosphere
It's like the catholic church up there. Non stop noncing.
John stones was getting paid thousands a pounds for having goosebumps on the bench when man city came tae celtic park
Mate the disrespect towards Kille was dumb af. To say "Celtic got beat by killie this season" show you he has not paid attention to killies season. They have done amazing this season and managed to get wins from both top 2 teams.
@kygodragon4782 dude watch the video and use yer ears
Goldstein trying to argue that Everton are as big a club as Celtic. Good God.
Celtic have won in Scotland 😂
Everton are bigger
@@gonzojones8422 Everton are nowhere near as big as Celtic, stay off the glue lad
They are tho? 💀
The difference is celtic have an identity that makes them appealing world wide. They have a huge fan base in North America because of the Irish diaspora. The story of celtic sells world wide a club started out of charity fighting against the establishment. There are clubs in England that have big supports from where they come from and there identity is where they come from nobody cares outside of that area. You go to peru you find a celtic supporters club
I live in North America and not a single person here is waking up to watch Celtic or rangers. City shirts absolutely everywhere here now, more than United and anyone else in England. They don’t sell Celtic or rangers shirts here in Mexico, nobody knows who you are. Leave Scotland and you’ll see
@@jakecook4816 I'm from North Ameica and when I can, I wake up and watch Celtic play. Quite daring of you to speak for an entire continent.
@@jakecook4816 I am a Scotsman now staying in Melbourne. there is 3 Celtc supporters clubs in Melbourne. I have been in 2 of them for games and they are rammed full. for a team that has played in an agreed weakened league for the las twenty years then why is there over 800 Celtic supporters clubs world wide and only over 300 supporters clubs for Liverpool and Man Untd. Wearing a replica top doesn't amount to be a supporter of being a club
So do united and look at them 😂
Diaspora? Nice. Have a like.
I don't think you can actually predict how well they would do, because they have not recruited at a high level in decades. The only thing we know for certain is that Celtic is run better than Rangers. Celtic is so used to domestic glory that their fans cannot comprehend having to compete with more than one club with a similar budget.
If players from around the world, international players, are willing to go to Newcastle then they’d go further to Glasgow.
They go to Glasgow for an easy life.
@@craigrothwell6144 🤣 good one!
For all the drugs 😂
@@jalberto428😂😂😂
For the smack heads
Celtic would become a powerhouse in PL , overnight every kid in Ireland would drop their PL team to support them so in a generation they'd have the support of an entire country .
Can assume Rangers would get a lot of support from England also .
Absolutely deluded 🤣
Because it's Celtic! They are massive, 1st British winners of the European cup. Goldstein ffs.
It’s a 1 horse race in England
@@kygodragon4782 who’s won the league for the last 4/5 years?? Arsenal were never going to win it they are just too Spursy!!
Obviously there is always exceptions to the rule but generally size means success the cl highlights this .. management etc is obviously vital ..Celtic 60000 with 20,000 on waiting list playing in the Scottish league what like the demand be in premiership? Stadium expansion the money coming in would be huge . The world’s greatest players speak of the atmosphere being the best they have experienced .As a Londoner I can say Glasgow is a seriously cool city so would attract players .. This guy speaks from total ignorance.. Ask Joe hart Frazier Forster who have experienced big clubs in England and Celtic they say Celtic is a completely different level . Also look at every league in the world there is a massive corolation between size wealth and success that’s fact .
Celtic Park is always half empty
@@johntate5050 what planet mate ? There’s 20000 on the waiting list .. you clearly enjoy posting nonsense…. !!
I've been fortunate enough to travel to 71 countries in my life and I've seen locals wearing Rangers strips in more than half of them 🇬🇧
It was an absolute pleasure to spend time with my fellow Bluenoses in places such as Costa Rica, USA, Canada, Mexico, Denmark, Norway, Latvia, Germany, Slovakia, Bulgaria, The Netherlands, Italy, Croatia, Macedonia, Cyprus, Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, UAE, Georgia, Singapore, Hong Kong, The Philippines, Malaysia and South Africa 🌍
@@kygodragon4782 You want me to name the 71 countries I've been to? 🌍
Here goes...
North America: USA, Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Cuba, Jamaica and Costa Rica 8️⃣
Africa: Lesotho, South Africa, Nigeria, Egypt and Morocco 5️⃣
Asia: Hong Kong, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Malaysia, The Philippines and Singapore (13) 💙
Europe: Scotland, England, Wales, France, Belgium, The Netherlands, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland, Luxembourg, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Spain, Portugal, Italy, San Marino, The Vatican, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Austria, Czechia, Austria, Slovakia, Hungary, Ukraine, Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia, Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Greece, Malta and Cyprus (45) 💪🏻
I'm taking my wife to Mauritius next month for our third wedding anniversary and that will be country number 72 🇲🇺
@@kygodragon4782 It isn't the best, but I did enjoy my visits there; I've been around Ontario a couple of times and once to Montréal 🇨🇦
These two clubs are massive but Scotland wants independence so stay where you are. Funny how people hate everything about England but when it comes to money they will sell out.
Who says wanting independence means hating England and who says anyone wants to join English football? Dafty
The two teams in Scotland will never be considered big unless they can actually do something in the Champions League.
The old firm with their current playing squads would be cannon fodder in the premier league & would struggle to stay in the division,let alone top 6, that's not even worth a discussion.
Half the premier league is garbage
@jamesm9995 the bottom 5 clubs in the EPL would win the Scottish premiership.... Actually the bottom 5 championship teams would
Yes they probably would but we all know if celtic and rangers had the same cash we would well be up there
That’s correct but that’s not the discussion 😂
Why wouldn’t they sign better players with the vastly greater income playing in the EPL would guarantee?
I support neither Celtic or Rangers but am Glasgow born and North Lanarkshire bred (still live in North Lanarkshire) and Andy simply doesn't get it. It's not about the size of the two clubs alone, but what it means to succeed as a player at either of the two. The lure of playing for Celtic or Rangers if they were in the EPL would be ENORMOUS for a player, and where Andy doesn't get it, Darren does. He knows that if both Celtic or Rangers were in the EPL the opportunity to be set for life, way beyond playing or media work and the riches it brings, is a huge lure. It's basically Legend status, and even with both playing in a not great league, the players who stick around, drink in what it means to play for either club, and succeeds, means they go recognised among these clubs international support.
It's just different up in Glasgow and North/South Lanarkshire compared to bloody Bournemouth or even Tottenham, City, and I need not go on. When Ange's time is over at Spurs, regardless of his level of success, he will confirm that. Liverpool and Manchester United? Different story, but not one in which those two would automatically dwarf either Celtic or Rangers when it comes to expectations and overall brand, if they were all in the same league.
It's hilarious how Celtic fans are so desperate to abandon Scotland and suck on England's dong 🤣
Wouldn’t mind seeing a structural change whereby, the top 2 Scottish teams play off against the championship third and fourth teams to see who gets in the PL. obviously money would need to go into the SPL to support it so lots financially to solve for but would put theories to the test. You could end up with an entirely Scottish premier league in England over time but would be interesting to see.
Wayne Rooney just said he wished he played for Celtic, as a Scotsman I wanna see Celtic/rangers leave maybe they can start in the championship, I'm surprised Rangers didn't go south when they went into administration.
I'm a celtic fan, and the comment on Manchester United at the start sums it up really. They're the biggest most famous club in England, but struggle to be top 6. Leeds are equally as big as Celtic and Rangers, with history and support, and they're a yo-yo club. If they'd got into England in the late 90s early 00s then they'd probably be thriving now, but as it stands they're miles behind.
It all depends how it goes. PL have grown massive strong sides, that compete year in, year out. Plus it's far more competitive than the Scottish League. It'll add more of a challenge than playing smaller squads in Scotland. That's the difference here.
Celtic and rangers are not comparable to 99.9% of the teams in England and comparing them to Everton is nothing short of stupidity
I think they would similar to Newcastle after a few years in the league; unfortunately it can be difficult to get overseas players to play in the north.... and they are really north.
Celtic and Rangers would struggle in the Championship
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you’re unwell. A bang average Rangers team team got to a Europa league final a few years back
When will you understand the highest paid player in Scotland is probably on 40K a week.
No chance
I am an AFC Bournmeouth fan and our ground holds just over 12,000 but we comfortably stayed up this season, after the players understood Andoni's playing style, We beat United 3 nil at Old Trafford and were the better team in our 2 all draw at Home.
Size of the stadium is not as important.
Bradford City's stadium is twice the size of ours and they ar in League 2
Of course they could attract bigger players than Everton, it might not gel together, but to say they couldn't attract the best players
Goldstein is underestimating the size of Celtic and the amount of worldwide support we have. We would be competing with Liverpool, Man U and city for players within a few years with PL money
If you were big you wouldn't need EPL money because you'd be making your own wealth via your supposed global fanbase.
@@johntate5050 English teams main source of income is TV money 😂 before the sky deal came in the 90s the teams were a lot closer in standard and that’s a fact
@@jasonhardie3813 If they were closer how come Liverpool & Forest won the European Cup (now the CL) numerous times, Villa won it and Man Utd, Spurs, Chelsea, Everton were all winning European trophies in the 70s and 80s but Celtic and Rangers won jack schitt?
And where do you think that TV money comes from? It comes from fans wanting to watch English clubs. They don't want to watch Scottish clubs. The only reason why the English, Spanish, Italian and German clubs didn't have TV money back in the 80s and earlier is because global TV subscriptions weren't available to fans back then. If they were they'd have had the big money back then. Celtic and Rangers wouldn't. It was only the lack of TV access that made celtic and Rangers look big in the 70s and 80s.
@@johntate5050 Celtic were the first British team to win the European cup in 1967, rangers won the cup winners cup in 1972, Celtic European cup final 1970, Aberdeen won the cup winners up against Real Madrid in the 80s 😂 so you didn’t do your research very well, various European cup semis during that time also. I mean that was doing pretty well for a country with a tenth of the population of England. Italian football was the top league in the late 80s early 90s the premier league took over when all the money came in
@@jasonhardie3813
You don't understand how football works. You say if celtic had exposure and money. So why haven't they got it now if they're such a huge club? Why do they need the English? Celtic fans keep moaning about 'Sky money.' You don't understand how it works. Sky don't generate any money, they use the money generated by the clubs. People don't pay to subscribe to Sky just to see the Sky logo. They pay to watch football clubs. Sky take that money from Liverpool fans, United fans, Arsenal fans, Chelsea fans, Spurs fans etc, supply the tv coverage and then take a percentage of the profit. If celtic were a global club, Sky would be all over them. They'd sell tv subscriptions, millions of fans would pay and celtic and the SPL would be one of the biggest leagues in the world.....but it isn't because the global support for Celtic doesn't exist. What Celtic fans really want is to parasite off the EPL. They want to jump ship and reap the rewards from a league that they have not helped build.
If celtic are a big club it'd already be reflected in tv deals, shirt sales and social media. It has nothing to do with the English and their league. The evidence of being a big club should already be evident, but it isn't. You can't claim to be a big club and then complain that you don't get the same money as the English clubs. the English aren't responsible for Celtic. they have nothing to do with you, your circumstances or you lack of wealth. That is 100% your responsibility and your true size on the world stage. You are not a big club.
Damn, that was a proper CLASH
Celtic and Rangers are bigger than every club in the premier league apart from Uniter and Liverpool. Everywhere I've ever been in the world I see Celtic bars I don't see Chelsea bars or Spurs bars 😂😂 I certainly don't see 115 charges fc bars.
Those Celtic bars are Irish bars you dunce.
Would rather live in Scotland than England, all day long.
Goldstein is unwell, and the “it’s a two horse race up there” did
It 😂 Spain two team league, Germany one team league largely, France one, Italy (inter and Juventus won 18 of the last 20’odd titles) and drum roll……. England, one team, two?
Imagine making history by being the first players to play in an Auld Firm in the Premier League...that would be appealing to some surely.
Pick a straw to see who's gonna argue the losing position, then describe it as a clash. Talksport.
Investors would be all over it, Game changed
Got the support but not the team.
Goldstein really is a knob
Goldstein absolutely miles off it. Both clubs are considerably bigger than 80% of the premier league, with the exception of united & Liverpool. Given the money / marketing / resources within 4-5 years both Glasgow clubs would be dominant.
So celtic & Rangers need the English to make them big successful clubs
@@johntate5050 investment from elsewhere won’t come unless the clubs are in Englands top flight that’s my point mate . Foreign investment with multimillion pounds are all over the premier league clubs.
@@billymcginn1999 That proves celtic & Rangers aren't as big as you claim. France have the 4th richest league in the world but only 1 big club. The SPL should be bigger if Celtic & Rangers are as big as you claim. The truth is, there's no global following for Celtic & Rangers. If there was Sky would be all over them like a rash.
Celtic and Rangers in the PL would be signing all the top players.
Deluded
They really, really wouldn't.
not with the rules surrounding FFP and PSR they wouldn`t
Bent am glad you speak from the heart ..this Goldstein is clown 🤡!! His ignorance about Kilmarnock this season also is astounding!! They been great this season they’ve beat everybody in the league !!
I know it was a long time ago but this was resolved when Celtic (2) played Norwich (still in the Championship) and got thrashed.
In a pre season friendly?
Be lucky to stay up straight away, after a few seasons with PL money they could ask they'll be more attractive than WHU, Palace, Spurs ect
Celtic would finish about 10th every season and Rangers would finish about 16th every season
Everton should be above the likes of Fulham, Bournemouth, Palace, Brighton and Wolves based on the logic that being a bigger club means you'll inevitably float to the top. Newcastle only turned a corner after being bought by an oil state. They were a Championship club less than a decade ago despite having a fanbase larger than half the premier league.
All this said, they'd never be allowed to just switch over straight to the Prem, they'd have to go through the pyramid in some way, starting no higher than League Two.
You're a 30 mill player. Celtic and Rangers have the TV money now theyre in the Prem. Who is the player going to sign for? A team like Celtic or Rangers?! Or an Everton, Bournemouth, West Ham etc... it wouldn't take Glasgow's big two long to establish themselves firmly in the top half.
Celtic would immediately have one of the biggest fan bases, one of the biggest stadiums, one of the best scouting networks and is extremely well run being operated on profit year in year out with the added tv revenue they would bring in and the added sponsorship they would get it would easily turn them into one of the most profitable teams in the world not to mention that going forward most people in Ireland and Scotland would just end up supporting Celtic or rangers as apposed to English clubs. Celtic is essentially every Irish persons default team but most support English clubs as the league is better but if Celtic played in the premier league the level of support would shift away from English clubs to Celtic guaranteed
But you need the English to do all that 🤣
@@johntate5050 and the English need foreign viewers and Saudi oil money to be where it is so I would seriously not go down that route if I were you
@@conradblack779 Why not? Football is global these days. Celtic are trapped in a time warp where the ball weighed half a tonne when it was wet, when the half time talk was done over a fag and a meat pie and everyone in the crowd wore a flap cap and carried a wooden rattle.
You don't understand how football works. You say if celtic had exposure and money. So why haven't they got it now if they're such a huge club? Why do they need the English? Celtic fans keep moaning about 'Sky money.' You don't understand how it works. Sky don't generate any money, they use the money generated by the clubs. People don't pay to subscribe to Sky just to see the Sky logo. They pay to watch football clubs. Sky take that money from Liverpool fans, United fans, Arsenal fans, Chelsea fans, Spurs fans etc, supply the tv coverage and then take a percentage of the profit. If celtic were a global club, Sky would be all over them. They'd sell tv subscriptions, millions of fans would pay and celtic and the SPL would be one of the biggest leagues in the world.....but it isn't because the global support for Celtic doesn't exist. What Celtic fans really want is to parasite off the EPL. They want to jump ship and reap the rewards from a league that they have not helped build.
If celtic are a big club it'd already be reflected in tv deals, shirt sales and social media. It has nothing to do with the English and their league. The evidence of being a big club should already be evident, but it isn't. You can't claim to be a big club and then complain that you don't get the same money as the English clubs. the English aren't responsible for Celtic. they have nothing to do with you, your circumstances or you lack of wealth. That is 100% your responsibility and your true size on the world stage. You are not a big club.
Celtic , and the Rangers , would both be top 6 teams in the premiership.
The board don’t spend the money they make on getting out of the groups in Europe so they wouldn’t in the premier league either. Both clubs rely on being massive in Scotland but never any more. It would never happen anyway but if it did I fear they would not compete
It's a redundant conversation, they're never going to be in the English Premier League.
I don’t think they would get out of league 1 tbh
This is a stupid argument because no-one ever asks the question in reverse.
For example - How would Liverpool get on in the SPFL?
The initial answer is that they would obviously win it.
- but how much TV money would they get compared to what they currently get?
- Would Anfield still be full every game if it was games vs Ross County, Motherwell, Dundee, St Johnstone.... instead of Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal, Man City....
- Would they be able to attract (and keep them for more than a season or two) players like VVD, Salah, Jota.... Or would they be constantly losing their best players to teams in richer leagues
- Would they have the same shirt sponsorship & commercial revenue from playing in the SPFL?
So after taking all of that in to account - How would Liverpool do in the SPFL isn't such an obvious answer. They'd likely be in a 3 way fight with Celtic & rangers most years.
So now ask - "How would Celtic fare in the English Premier League?" I dunno but I'd imagine we'd fare a lot better than ANY EPL club would fare in Scotland!
You don't understand how football works. You say if celtic had exposure and money. So why haven't they got it now if they're such a huge club? Why do they need the English? Celtic fans keep moaning about 'Sky money.' You don't understand how it works. Sky don't generate any money, they use the money generated by the clubs. People don't pay to subscribe to Sky just to see the Sky logo. They pay to watch football clubs. Sky take that money from Liverpool fans, United fans, Arsenal fans, Chelsea fans, Spurs fans etc, supply the tv coverage and then take a percentage of the profit. If celtic were a global club, Sky would be all over them. They'd sell tv subscriptions, millions of fans would pay and celtic and the SPL would be one of the biggest leagues in the world.....but it isn't because the global support for Celtic doesn't exist. What Celtic fans really want is to parasite off the EPL. They want to jump ship and reap the rewards from a league that they have not helped build.
If celtic are a big club it'd already be reflected in tv deals, shirt sales and social media. It has nothing to do with the English and their league. The evidence of being a big club should already be evident, but it isn't. You can't claim to be a big club and then complain that you don't get the same money as the English clubs. the English aren't responsible for Celtic. they have nothing to do with you, your circumstances or you lack of wealth. That is 100% your responsibility and your true size on the world stage. You are not a big club.
Hi guys from south africa ..celtic fan since 1967 ...darren your the man ..i would start by saying manu and liverpool and then celtic would be the top 3 teams in EPL if that would ever happened i am now talking about big clubs .3 world clubs not area clubs .i would be a really good bet celtic would be top 6 with a level playing field and i better not forget rangers another world club .ANDY nice try but u haven't got this one right HAIL HAIL
Talk sport continually slate scottish football ,but cannot stop talking about celtic 😂😂
In time they would become a side on the level of Newcastle, but they would need years of PL money to do that. Potential to be Top 10 PL sides but only with investment.
Is that not the same with every club? Give Leeds investment and they have the "potential" to be a top half side
Being capable of finishing in the top six does not mean they would. Andy is gaslighting, he knows well one Brendan meant
It's not disrespect, it's true, celtic would struggle to get top 10
Celtic and Rangers overachieve compared to any English clubs when you consider the budget. Andy completely underestimates how well supported they are, if the had money players would come, just like they come to the north of England
If they were big clubs with a global fanbase they'd have big money.
@@FalseTeeth-o4y no because TV doesn’t have to pay them much, you don’t have to know anything to know they’re easily in the top 10 most supported clubs, look it up mate
@@conorspence5332 Television companies don't generate any money. They use the money generated by the clubs. People wouldnt pay to just look at a Sky logo. They pay tv subscriptions to watch the big clubs, Sky use that money to show the games and then take a percentage. Celtic dont attract a global market so Sky don't invest in the SPL.
After watching Celtic & Rangers quite a lot this season, I was really surprised how poor they looked. In England, Celtic top 6 in the Championship, Rangers mid table. I've nothing against either club
Nah, rangers would finish higher than Celtic in the championship. Celtic need dodgy decisions to help them out. Celtic should be 7 points less than they are but they have Scottish refs in their pocket, Celtic have won only one game in Europe in ten years. Where rangers have done a final, a quarter final and two last 16’s in the past 5 seasons… rangers would finish higher than Celtic fact. Take away the refs that help Celtic and you would see Celtic stuggle to finish 3rd every season in Scotland.
Thats tough……. Their fans are a Top 6 club hands down no contest, but the squad is like slightly above Everton’s spot in the prem right now.
Nothing but respect for Celtic, Jota on the Wing and all that but c’mon that squad ain’t levels like that.
Best derby in the world though hands down.
One thing that is bad about the Scottish Premiership is that it’s a two team league being little brother to the Prem…. I actually think it’s in Celtic’s best interest to join the prem, attract better players, better managers which would equal better success in the Champs League stages, U can never compete in the champs if the majority of your football is the Scottish Premiership
You think that Celtic squad is better than Evertons?
Yeh, you question Brendan Rodgers boys hahahaaa. Van Dijk laughed at Gary Neville when he was asked if the Celtic team he played in could cope in the prem. The Dutch accent and “they coast it” tells you all you need to know. John McGinn who came from St Mirren and Hibs “the time you get in the ball in England is ridiculous, I realistically have time to build a joint in the middle of that park before receiving the ball” 😂 Celtic had bench warmers like Ryan Christie and Stuart Armstrong who stroll the prem. Celtic with premier league draw, Jesus they’d be a problem
Celtic struggled against Kilmarnock a few months ago despite having 100 times their money. celtic would be skinned alive in the prem. Relegation season 1, mid table championship from then onwards with a few relegation battles thrown in over the decades.
What is Goldstein on about. He is saying they would be a challenger for top 6. They might be 8th. They might be 3rd.
Can’t believe once in my life time I actually agree with Goldstein all these Celtic and rangers fans who think they’ll be title challengers in the premier league just because of sky money really are deluded honestly just big clubs in Scotland yet they think there on par with the likes of real/barca/Bayern/milans have a day off seriously
What else does it take?
Who compared them to top 5 European clubs, Apart from you? Absolutely zero relation o the topic of the video.
@@michaelmartin9783 have you not read the comments fans going on as if there the biggest clubs in the world I’m sorry no way yes use are big in Scotland in what is really a non existent league
Yes Celtic and Rangers are big but proof that they wouldn’t finish top 6 in PL is that year after year without fail they nearly always finish 3rd or last in their CL group.
Yeah but no Fulhams, sheff utds, or Lutons in the big comp fella. No English teams in any semis. Best league lol
Ur complelty being ignorant to the argument of filling the stadium and ATMOPSHERE
Am I wrong or did this guy not play a professional game in his life. He talks as if he's involved in the game other than through the radio. Please someone clarify this for me.
Andy is acting stupid here. Celtic could attract big names, which would give them a better chance of finishing top six. No one knows they would finish there but he seems to be talking out both sides of his mouth
No they cpuldnt, because no one outside of Scotland cares, it's why you have to come to England to get the big money because no one is interested in the spl
Not straight away but over time
The difference is celtic & Rangers Have european heritage( in Europe every season since the dawn of time)more than any English team bar arsenal Man utd and Liverpool which means they have experience of playing better richer teams, celtics record against English opposition is Fantastic Rangers just went to the europa League final beating tuppence beating dortmund leipzig
Why would you invite nationalism and sectarianism in to the Premier League?
Shove your monopoly league 🤷♂️
Both would be mid-table at very best. Neither have the finances to grow or strengthen their teams and would find it hard to attract the top talent to come all the way up there.
There are already big clubs in the prem, if rangers and Celtic would finish top 6 which two out of chelsea, city, arsenal, spurs, man united and Liverpool aren’t going to finish above them?
If we had the money the top 6 had handed them each season, then yes. The same goes for Rangers.
Man Utd the biggest club in the UK, the richest club in the EPL and the most global fans in the world finished 8th
History, Facilities, culture. All reasons they would do well in the Prem
History doesnt mean anything😂😂😂😂
Clubs with those reasons have literally been relegated from the premier league before.
@@wickedmanrick2582 then why do players still sign for United?
if they were there for a few years and had pl money they could push for it, but their squad isnt good enough
Goldstein absolutely right on this. Also what a sad indictment of the SPL. Take out Rangers and Celtic and is no better than the Welsh league.
How many Welsh sides have got to European finals over the last 20 years?
@@michaelmartin9783 none because the biggest Welsh clubs play in the English leagues. None of them however have finished top 6 in EPL.
Anyone that says Celtic woudnt compete simply dosnet understand how finances work
It's not just about finances tho. It's also georgraphy. Big players aint coming up that far north unless there desperate.
The issue you have is, there are about 12 teams, maybe more that would attract players over Celtic and rangers.
@@scottking869 Van Dijk did & loved it. Paul Gascoigne did. i could name about 40 top players that did & rave about the experience. Scottish crowds are more like Dortmund or Legia Warsaw. Heavily Ultras & pyros and Tifos. its like 80's English scene brought into the 2000's. its unique and English players that come up say its the best atmosphere derbies & european games. Fun over money.
Gascoigne was drunk when he did that 🤣🤣🤣
Neither do you apparently. 2022 Celtics turnover was about 122mil gbp with a profit of 40mil. Leicester was 285 turnover and that was with a value reduction of 16%. Celtic are barely....barely in PL territory as far as finances go.
Smug w⚓ that Goldstein. Knows absolutely sweet f/a about football heritage and history
Think Andy is missing the point with this one
Big money attracts big players. Thats why the best players play for teams who qualify for champs league on a regular basis. Celtic and Rangers would just be in the rat race with Newcastle, villa, Everton etc after a few seasons in prem league.
Goldstein entirely missing the point of how well celtic are run in terms of structure and recruitment as is.
The clubs like Man U and chelsea soending big moneybin the PL struggling... they are run in total.shambles
I'm Scottish but not a fan of either Rangers or Celtic.
Both are massive clubs, institutions in fact.
Ask any English players who have played for either club and they will tell you.
They both would struggle initially, but would in time be up there challenging at least.
Between the 2 of them they have around 1400 supporters clubs worldwide.
Each supporters club just has a couple of dozen members. That's the difference between celtic and big clubs. Big clubs measure their fanbase in millions whereas Celtic measure their in dozens
Andy Goldstein being entitled as usual. It's not about attracting players. It's to to dk woth what you can pay these players.. when celtic can compete with the money of the Premier league they would "attract" bigger players than most premier league teams. It would take a few years granted.. pure and unadulterated playground argument from goldstein.
can we start a petition for talkSPORT to get goldstein some medical intervention to his delusionary behaviour, because it's just sad at this point how out of touch with reality he is, and how absolutely disgraceful his takes are.
You just don't like hearing the truth.
@@johntate5050 i mean it's objectively not true and there's myriad ways to prove it, if you're genuinely trying to peddle this bullshittery as truth then I don't really know what to say to you, other than to inform you that you're a deluded Muppet who needs to get their head checked by a medical professional.
Funny how nobody and i mean nobody has gone to Celtic for the badge as the pay is awful in comparison to the prem. If Celtic were the club everyone wants to be at why hasnt big players retired there?.
Can’t imagine anyone leading with “cause we’re called Celtic” as the argument for ability. Sorry C E L T I C. What’s your relevant point caller??
Absolutely sick and tired of this conversation and that’s coming from a Celtic fan!!! Every year it comes up and it’s never going to happen!!! There was a vote on whether or not to let Celtic and Rangers in years ago and 14 voted against it. Yes we would struggle in the Premiership and probably the championship at first but after a few years we’d be flying with the money from the fans, commercial contracts and the money the league brings. Let’s end the conversation now because there’s no chance. 🍀
We should int eh 21st centbe looking at combining scotish leagues with the English, irish and welsh leagues!
They ain't got the cash to pay the wages , no matter where they go!!!! There's teams in leauge 1 with a bigger wage bill !!!!!
As of now they would be relegated. If they survive for 1 or 2 seasons, they can easily be a top 10. But only if they move to the premier league. They don't have the broadcast money at the moment.
Let them both join the premier and see what happens, they won't last long I would say bottom half.
Both relegated.