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  • @CristobalSanPedro
    @CristobalSanPedro 10 місяців тому +2859

    I'm 42 years old and used to act like this controller. I stopped about 40 years ago, but I'm still ashamed of it.

    • @AlphaFox38
      @AlphaFox38 10 місяців тому +114

      LOL.. That was epic!!

    • @iflyuwalk
      @iflyuwalk 10 місяців тому +74

      OK, _that_ was a good one LMAO.

    • @darkdelta
      @darkdelta 10 місяців тому +39

      Finally, stopped laughing after reading Christopher's comment. Also I'm stealing that one. 👍👍👍😁😁

    • @7CharlesV
      @7CharlesV 10 місяців тому +23

      I just busted out laughing! And you hit the nail squarely on the head!

    • @dougaltolan3017
      @dougaltolan3017 10 місяців тому +42

      Don't worry, in another 40 years you'll be doing it again :P

  • @alessandrofrancoscfc
    @alessandrofrancoscfc 10 місяців тому +3501

    I own San Carlos Flight Center (Bay Flight callsign). This controller is the Air Traffic Manager at SQL. This incident happened over a month ago, and nothing has changed. Senior Management in the FAA's Air Traffic Organization is aware of the issues and has directly acknowledged this incident. Following the incident, I called the tower to express my concerns and the controller responded by telling me that I'm a "princess" for caring about this, was told that it's "bullshit" that I report safety incidents, and was told that if he was fired his bosses would be "doing him a fucking favor". The same FAA management acknowledged the phone call and are fully aware that this controller is the manager at San Carlos. They still haven't taken any action.

    • @Frito-Bandito-tube
      @Frito-Bandito-tube 10 місяців тому +773

      Well, that's moderately terrifying

    • @SVSky
      @SVSky 10 місяців тому +230

      My condolences.

    • @HitechProductions
      @HitechProductions 10 місяців тому +352

      That is very concerning. He, obviously, needs to be gone. I wish you much success in dealing with this. Good luck. You shouldn't need luck, but it appears that the good ole boy network is strong there.

    • @URSCSAN
      @URSCSAN 10 місяців тому +103

      Thanks for the insightful comments from the original post. Question: Isn't there another escalation avenue that pilots can take?

    • @thebadguyswon-w7n
      @thebadguyswon-w7n 10 місяців тому +142

      It is a shame that he hates his job so much when many others would gladly step in for him.

  • @hrbllc4206
    @hrbllc4206 10 місяців тому +640

    The aggressive behavior is what leads to pilots trying to “figure it out” whether than asking for clarification.

    • @GJones462-2W1
      @GJones462-2W1 10 місяців тому

      Great point! I'd be tempted myself to figure it out, myself, instead of speaking another word to this dick.

    • @TKettle
      @TKettle 10 місяців тому

      Unbelievably unprofessional. Some government workers always seem to think they can act like children throwing a tantrum and get away with it because they're harder to fire. Usually it's braindead post office workers, not fucking air traffic controllers in charge of lives. Get this ass hat out of the tower YESTERDAY.

    • @jimk5145
      @jimk5145 10 місяців тому +88

      ^ this. If the student did ask for clarification on Kaiser Hospital, I am certain the response would be "Figure it out. I'm not your instructor."

    • @jcs7217
      @jcs7217 10 місяців тому +1

      💯

    • @testboga5991
      @testboga5991 10 місяців тому

      Exactly!

  • @FullSendPrecision
    @FullSendPrecision 10 місяців тому +283

    "you were partly blocked" guy having the time of his life listening in

    • @typhoon2827
      @typhoon2827 10 місяців тому +54

      You just know he was balancing a bucket of popcorn on his lap...

    • @Bill3558
      @Bill3558 10 місяців тому +18

      Jax center has a cheerful guy who says “aloha, welcome to the group” when you check in. Makes everyone less stressed.

    • @youwebz
      @youwebz 9 місяців тому +1

      Hahaha yes, yes he was.

  • @cameronaustin4027
    @cameronaustin4027 10 місяців тому +2763

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard or seen an examiner stand up for an applicant like that. Good on him.

    • @clarkgriswold-zr5sb
      @clarkgriswold-zr5sb 10 місяців тому +252

      Didn't stand up for the applicant. He attempted to squelch the out of control and UNSAFE ATC personnel.

    • @roscoejones4515
      @roscoejones4515 10 місяців тому +98

      Exactly, it was much more 'okay, I've heard about enough of this crap'.

    • @asho1735
      @asho1735 10 місяців тому +154

      @@clarkgriswold-zr5sb i could tell from the DPE voice that he was on the pilot's side . the student (who is now a PPL im sure) read back was "extend downwind", i.e. he never acknowledged the hospital as a visual landmark. If kaiser was so critical for the situation it was ATC's job to confirm or issue a different instruction to the pilot instead of making assumptions or giving a lecture

    • @apilotspersective
      @apilotspersective 10 місяців тому +52

      Not true. It is the pilots responsibility to advise the controller anytime a clearance is not completely understood. "Call my base, I am unfamiliar". Period.

    • @apilotspersective
      @apilotspersective 10 місяців тому +12

      @@asho1735 Not true. It is the pilots responsibility to advise the controller anytime a clearance is not completely understood. "Call my base, I am unfamiliar". Period.

  • @MSRTA_Productions
    @MSRTA_Productions 10 місяців тому +2016

    I would pay to see the tower fly

    • @AshKast
      @AshKast 10 місяців тому +110

      Rumor has it that he's flying right out that tower looking for a new job.

    • @sharpshooter7220
      @sharpshooter7220 10 місяців тому +13

      You just need to push the red button , you'll have find it first :)

    • @jackielinde7568
      @jackielinde7568 10 місяців тому +1

      @@AshKast No, there was a comment by the person who owns the company that owns all the Bay Flight aircraft in the video. He said the problem controller (the tower's manager) is still there and nothing changed.
      Look for @alessandrofrancoscfc

    • @SwissAvgeek
      @SwissAvgeek 10 місяців тому +11

      It's pretty genious. You click the plane you want to follow on the radar display, the tower locks onto it, takes off, reaches it and follows it. So you can exactly see what the vectored plane is doing, even in fog or low visibility situations.

    • @Shadow__133
      @Shadow__133 10 місяців тому +22

      Rumor has it that there are more airplanes in the ground than towers in the air... or something like that 😂

  • @silmarian
    @silmarian 10 місяців тому +665

    “Everyone knows who flies out of here” is the kind of attitude that will get someone killed, particularly if they’re flying in from somewhere else. That statement shows a lack of willingness to help someone unfamiliar with the area.

    • @matthewmiller6068
      @matthewmiller6068 10 місяців тому +28

      Yeah, I liked how the pilot is flying there and says they're unfamiliar and the controller's answer is "everyone flying here is familiar with it"...

    • @user-cr4sc1ht9t
      @user-cr4sc1ht9t 10 місяців тому

      But does HE fly?

    • @bobroberts2371
      @bobroberts2371 10 місяців тому +4

      @@matthewmiller6068 You missed the part where the pilot ignored instructions and refused to ask for a clarification. This is what set off the chain of events.

    • @Peter-sv4mk
      @Peter-sv4mk 10 місяців тому

      Had the same attitude a few months ago because there was someone unfamiliar with a local, non-published departure procedure that was only available buried somewhere on the airport website. ua-cam.com/video/HPaMjSUSn1Y/v-deo.html

    • @anders95
      @anders95 10 місяців тому +8

      He told someone who does not know that everyone knows. Well clearly not then... Dangerous stuff.

  • @CharlesCornettFL
    @CharlesCornettFL 10 місяців тому +651

    Among the worst attitude I've ever seen in 23 years as ATC and private pilot. Ridiculous, inflammatory, and ultimately a threat to safety. It's quite bizarre he is still on the job, and warrants a hard look at how discipline is handled at contract towers. I worked with about 7 contract towers throughout my career, and found that they were generally MUCH nicer, and usually helpful in making sure us center pukes did the right thing. Let's make this Karen famous.

    • @kukajin9560
      @kukajin9560 10 місяців тому +3

      unfortunately sounds like a private tower so it sounds like its "not a big deal" to them

    • @raincoast9010
      @raincoast9010 10 місяців тому +1

      You should have tried flying out of Goose Bay, there was a female controller there years back who was a real case!

    • @sludge8506
      @sludge8506 10 місяців тому +2

      Yes, this is a contract tower, not an FAA tower.

    • @Nelsonwmj
      @Nelsonwmj 10 місяців тому +7

      Unfortunately I think the only thing that will scare the FAA to do something about such unprofessionalism from tower staff is when a pilot trainee or actual pilot finally snaps and does a 9/11 on that tower.

    • @ugiswrong
      @ugiswrong 10 місяців тому

      Whee, let’s cancel a stranger! What a loser

  • @hugosousa5266
    @hugosousa5266 10 місяців тому +598

    DPE- "Sir when you land the tower I have a phone number for you to copy"

    • @PhotonBread
      @PhotonBread 10 місяців тому +19

      Comment of the day

    • @VGreggUndercover
      @VGreggUndercover 10 місяців тому +3

      Best comment 🔥

    • @DISOPtv
      @DISOPtv 10 місяців тому +3

      Pin this comment! :D

    • @Charon58
      @Charon58 10 місяців тому +13

      “I’ll fly the tower”
      That’s when you know the controller has lost it.

    • @matthewmiller6068
      @matthewmiller6068 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Charon58 or maybe they are high in the sky on something?

  • @babakrasolzadeh7854
    @babakrasolzadeh7854 10 місяців тому +1301

    I’m a pilot that have been flying out of SQL for the past 7 years and I can tell you their tower controllers have always been rude and unhelpful.
    10 miles to the south at PAO the tower has MUCH different attitude and are very pleasant (not to mention safe) to interact with.

    • @TheFlyingZulu
      @TheFlyingZulu 10 місяців тому +62

      I trained at KDAB TRACON for about 4 months as an air traffic controller... The problem there was management was terrible and it trickled down into the controllers and thus the trainees. it's sickening how a few people can ruin an entire operation. This was a long time ago though... hopefully it's better with the old boomer controllers retiring.

    • @SVSky
      @SVSky 10 місяців тому +37

      I avoid San Carlos like the plague for that exact reason. There's another seasoned controller that is always having a bad day.

    • @flutetubamorg
      @flutetubamorg 10 місяців тому +18

      Most definitely a management problem.

    • @x808drifter
      @x808drifter 10 місяців тому +15

      @@TheFlyingZulu They have 59-60 year old's as ATC's???
      Or is it more likely like so many, you don't know what a "boomer" (Baby Boomer BTW) is.

    • @adjustings673
      @adjustings673 10 місяців тому +10

      Experienced the same thing just passing through the airspace the other day. Not uncommon apparently.

  • @jhmcd2
    @jhmcd2 10 місяців тому +266

    The DPE is correct. While it is the pilots job to ask for clarification, the moment he did, he got combative. That is a big no,no.

    • @brenthendricks8182
      @brenthendricks8182 10 місяців тому +12

      "When you get on parked, ask anyone where Kaiser Hospital is.". "Why? You're gonna need it more than me, buddy." (It would have taken all my will power not to have given that reply, even it it meant my check ride just crashed and burned...

    • @ilikethisnamebetter
      @ilikethisnamebetter 10 місяців тому +5

      I'm not a pilot, but if the examiner had advised the student that he should ask for clarification, wouldn't that have been interfering with the examination?

    • @hoolihanohoolihan1011
      @hoolihanohoolihan1011 10 місяців тому +11

      he accepted a command without understanding it, knew he did not understand it, and so proceeded to do what he wanted rather than follow the tower's instructions. it boggles my mind that anyone can't understand this

    • @hoolihanohoolihan1011
      @hoolihanohoolihan1011 10 місяців тому +1

      @@brenthendricks8182that reply wouldnt even make sense

    • @brenthendricks8182
      @brenthendricks8182 10 місяців тому

      In other words, "You are about to end up in the hospital", or "I'm to put you there.."@@hoolihanohoolihan1011

  • @wnhtynhatc1306
    @wnhtynhatc1306 10 місяців тому +136

    Controller here, at much busier airspace than SQL. It’s mortifying to here a controller talk to a pilot like this regardless of the circumstances. Some people, like this guy, are just not meant for this kind of job. McDonald’s would be a better fit.

    • @RedDragonV09
      @RedDragonV09 10 місяців тому +20

      I get better treatment at McDonald's.

    • @BillPalmer
      @BillPalmer 10 місяців тому +14

      McDonald’s would not tolerate rude behavior

    • @TangoDelta8111
      @TangoDelta8111 10 місяців тому +1

      I was ignored at McD today, so comparable behaviour!

    • @terrydavis8451
      @terrydavis8451 10 місяців тому

      As a controller what is the best way to report this guy and get him off the air?

    • @Kenngo1969
      @Kenngo1969 9 місяців тому

      Or Walmart.

  • @NickBondar12
    @NickBondar12 10 місяців тому +963

    Anyone who follows this channel has observed a handful of cases where controller temperament has possibly saved lives. If that can be true, so can the opposite. A temperament like this, given enough time, could kill somebody.

    • @soeren72
      @soeren72 10 місяців тому +5

      Naa temperament is unprofessional, lack of training and perhaps the controller was at his limit.

    • @br4nd0nh347
      @br4nd0nh347 10 місяців тому +16

      @@soeren72 def. temperament 1. a person's or animal's nature, especially as it permanently affects their behavior: Someone can have a calm temperament or an aggressive one etc. @nickbondar12 was speaking about those with calm temperament have been known to save lives, while ones with this controller's temperament could cause serious issues.

    • @chouseification
      @chouseification 10 місяців тому +8

      @@soeren72 erm, temperament is a word describing a RANGE of behavior types... as Nick and Brandon called out... "good temprament" IS a type of "temprament", as is that displayed by the jerk in ATC in this video.
      Don't comment at all if you don't even understand the words people are using... really.

    • @marlinweekley51
      @marlinweekley51 10 місяців тому +10

      Agree, a few years back there was a guy in the tower at KSUA that was simply an ass. Seemingly his favorite game was to use a tone of voice to unnerve pilots in training and issue rapid commands then berate the pilot unmercifully- it want only unprofessional but down right dangerous. I think he’s no longer there and the atmosphere at kSUA is now 180 deg better.

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  10 місяців тому +160

      Puts students in such position that they are scared of questioning or asking for repeated instructions. Totally unsafe

  • @Jean20B
    @Jean20B 10 місяців тому +380

    Aviate, navigate, argue

    • @markmaki4460
      @markmaki4460 10 місяців тому +9

      Haha thanks for the laugh!

    • @arthurbrumagem3844
      @arthurbrumagem3844 10 місяців тому +1

      Have to remember that

    • @emilwillforss6160
      @emilwillforss6160 10 місяців тому +13

      It's actually: Aviate, Agitate, Argue...

    • @molen_
      @molen_ 10 місяців тому

      love that 😁

    • @cunever
      @cunever 10 місяців тому +3

      Shouldn’t that be “arguate”😂

  • @zbvv002
    @zbvv002 10 місяців тому +81

    Flew in there 2 weeks ago, extremely short and unprofessional tower with unnecessary comments. Thought it was just my 1 flight but glad to know it wasn’t just us.

  • @esc351m
    @esc351m 10 місяців тому +156

    I do like how the examiner had the calmest most to-the-point delivery there

    • @RuffianTux
      @RuffianTux 8 місяців тому +2

      Showing his professionalism to everyone, including the tower.

  • @jimaperkins
    @jimaperkins 10 місяців тому +763

    This is the second time this year KSQL controller's unprofessionalism and lack of training have been showcased on VAS Aviation. The FSDO needs to take this seriously and sanction these controllers.

    • @sakumisan
      @sakumisan 10 місяців тому +123

      Knowing local nomenclature is 100% not a requirement to fly into any airport and controllers that think you need to know their special handshake do nothing but cause safety issues.
      KSNA handles it amazingly well. Asks if you are familiar with said waypoint, if so, they have you use it. Otherwise, they give you a distance.

    • @DISOPtv
      @DISOPtv 10 місяців тому +64

      @@sakumisanHad a similar situation, they told me to turn at the TV tower. I searched the sectional and then told the controller it wasn't on the sectional and I was unfamiliar with the area. Wasn't an issue, but either way, controller should not be crazy like that. Bro was probably nervous enough on his checkride.

    • @mppatterson7
      @mppatterson7 10 місяців тому +15

      FSDO has literally nothing to do with controllers.

    • @ethanfletcher91
      @ethanfletcher91 10 місяців тому +70

      I fly out of San Carlos somewhat regularly and it’s always a bad experience with them. The ATIS is read off like it’s an auction, they slur their words on frequency and get mad when you ask for clarification, expect people to know these landmarks that they made up on the spot and get pissed if you don’t know where they are. I’ve never heard of Kaiser hospital and have never been assigned that landmark, doesn’t show up on the chart anywhere.

    • @jimaperkins
      @jimaperkins 10 місяців тому +24

      @mppatterson7 The FSDO will investigate and can refer the controllers for displaplinary action if they find the controller willfully violated the FARs. If a pilot did something like this, I doubt it would end with a compliance action.

  • @CocoEspada
    @CocoEspada 10 місяців тому +460

    He did not just do that to an FAA examiner hahaha omg

    • @mppatterson7
      @mppatterson7 10 місяців тому +35

      Was most likely just a DPE, not an FAA examiner or employee.

    • @erauprcwa
      @erauprcwa 10 місяців тому +7

      @@mppatterson7 True, however, the DPE acts under the guise of the FAA. So, while not the 'title', they have the power of the FAA (with reason).

    • @mppatterson7
      @mppatterson7 10 місяців тому +8

      @@erauprcwa I don't believe that is true at all. They cannot do anything the FAA can do, except grant a license. What else can they do? Have anything to show what you mean?

    • @quillmaurer6563
      @quillmaurer6563 10 місяців тому +8

      Another person commented that they called and complained to the tower, the guy said he hates his job and if his boss fires him he's doing him a favor. So perhaps upon hearing it's a DPE he thought "Maybe this guy can finally get me canned!"

    • @sludge8506
      @sludge8506 10 місяців тому +4

      These controllers are not FAA controllers. They are “contract” controllers.
      When one of them causes a crash, then the FAA will investigate. 😳😳😳

  • @tgant2000
    @tgant2000 10 місяців тому +213

    "Everyone knows that who flies out of here". This controller is a menace: it's not his job to reprimand someone for not knowing which building the ground is which..
    Reminds me of the story of the airline pilot in the 70s who was berated by a controller in Hamburg about some triviality and who then ended his rant with "Have you never flown to Hamburg before?". The pilot replied "Well, yeah, I've flown here before but it's been about 30 years and I wasn't landing..."

    • @pepstein
      @pepstein 10 місяців тому +9

      Oh man, that's a doozy! 🤣

    • @MarkThomas-yy4dk
      @MarkThomas-yy4dk 10 місяців тому +8

      I fly in Seattle area, it’s a busy airspace but most of the controllers here are great. They usually ask “are you familiar with the XX arrival” or “are you familiar with the VA hospital?” etc.. this controller at SQL is an absolute d***head. A large percentage of the people out flying are students learning. Mistakes will happen but nobody on either side needs to get berated. Even today, a controller mixed my tail number up with someone else’s and started vectoring us for the wrong airport. We went a few miles out of the way, we corrected him, he apologized, and we all went on with our day just fine.

    • @sludge8506
      @sludge8506 10 місяців тому +7

      These controllers are not FAA controllers. They are “contract” controllers.
      When one of them causes a crash, then the FAA will investigate. 😳😳😳

    • @garywelch5174
      @garywelch5174 10 місяців тому +3

      Wrong. The Kaiser visual waypoint is required knowledge for any pilot flying in and out of SQL. It is clearly noted in the FAA Chart Supplement. It is not some "random building."

    • @tgant2000
      @tgant2000 10 місяців тому +17

      @@garywelch5174 suggest you reread what I wrote. Once again, it's not the controller's job to waste time reprimanding the pilot for not knowing.

  • @jonathankleinow2073
    @jonathankleinow2073 10 місяців тому +30

    I bet that controller is a real treat to share the freeway with on his commute, too.
    I pulled up Kaiser Permanente Redwood City Medical Center on Google Earth. it's a collection of low-rise white office buildings in a sea of buildings that look almost exactly the same. Even if I lived there and flew out of San Carlos every day, it'd be a crappy landmark.

    • @adamwatkins1150
      @adamwatkins1150 10 місяців тому +1

      It was probably the first building to be built in that area or something.

    • @FloridaMan02
      @FloridaMan02 10 місяців тому

      But is it listed with it's appropriate official name on the TAC or sectional? That's the real question for someone who wants to look it up.
      Nearby we have designated reporting point South Cement Plant clearly marked on the charts and you're expected to be familiar with the charts.

    • @jonathankleinow2073
      @jonathankleinow2073 10 місяців тому +2

      @@FloridaMan02 Even if the hospital was on the chart -- and it's not on the sectional shown in the video -- the whole situation was handled poorly by the controller. Sure, the student should have clarified he was not familiar with the hospital as a landmark. The controller could have provided a little bit of patience or even given him a phone number to call after he landed if he felt he needed to admonish the student to speak up if he didn't understand what ATC was asking of him. This controller clearly hates his job, or at least hates some aspect of it, and he needs to move on. If he's waiting for his boss to "do him a fucking favor" by firing him, he should be sending out his fucking resume to other employers in the area, even if he has to work at a fucking Starbucks, so he can give his boss the finger and walk out the door already.

  • @beachbum77979
    @beachbum77979 10 місяців тому +411

    ATC: Have a good day.
    Pilot: I have a number for you to call, advise when ready to copy.
    ATC: I don't want to copy.
    Pilot: No problem, I'll call for you.

    • @lawman5511
      @lawman5511 9 місяців тому +10

      That’s a good one! Possible controller deviation.

  • @dankallish5998
    @dankallish5998 10 місяців тому +263

    San Carlos has a reputation with Bay Area pilots for being ill tempered and often unhelpful. As I understand it they are a privately contracted tower, rather than FAA employees.
    Not the first time SQL has shown up on this channel.

    • @ryantiller314
      @ryantiller314 10 місяців тому +3

      One of the towers in my area is also privately contracted and has the same reputation

    • @6XXBANSHEEXX8
      @6XXBANSHEEXX8 10 місяців тому +11

      So it's a place where bad controllers can go?! Kinda like when bad cops bounce around until they can find 'someplace'...

    • @adrianhsieh4276
      @adrianhsieh4276 10 місяців тому +1

      It is private contractor run but the sheer volume of traffic from local flight schools definitely a contributing factor too.

    • @Victordamus98
      @Victordamus98 10 місяців тому +1

      You haven't flown into Brown Field lol

    • @dalen.8413
      @dalen.8413 10 місяців тому +8

      Seems like some controller candidates that wash out of training at FAA facilities can fall back into the role at contract towers. Then they get attitudes like this guy and can carry out their vendetta against the system with impunity. Professionalism seems to be non existent at this facility.
      Retired ATC after 26 years.

  • @blancolirio
    @blancolirio 10 місяців тому +11

    He's burned out as a controller, time for a career change...
    Thanks for posting Victor!!

    • @skyhawk_4526
      @skyhawk_4526 10 місяців тому +2

      Hey Juan, I totally understand burnout, but this guy was just plain mean and rude. I've lost my temper and snapped at people at times, but this seemed so unwarranted and malicious since the pilot was quite polite and certainly trying to comply. I feel like the tower controller sensed the timidness in the pilot's voice and just jumped all over him as a schoolyard bully might do. (PS: I love your channel.)

    • @kevinscoggin3286
      @kevinscoggin3286 10 місяців тому

      He's overworked and underpaid. The pay gap between FAA and contract controllers is near criminal. Still no excuse for his behavior but it's well past time for the FAA to address the critical staffing shortages, not just at the facilities they run, but also the facilities they fund through contracting.

    • @terrydavis8451
      @terrydavis8451 10 місяців тому +1

      I have to disagree, this is a contract tower and has had multiple issues like this. Its just poor management. This controller likely never had the ability to be a decent controller.

    • @paolobernardi6835
      @paolobernardi6835 9 місяців тому

      They replaced him; SQL now opened after re-pavement with 5 ppl in the tower as it should have been. On his defense there were days where he was handling T + G 9 to 5. Still his shortness (which I have experienced first hand once) was inexcusable.

  • @eliotwilliams7987
    @eliotwilliams7987 10 місяців тому +30

    Used to fly out of San Carlos all the time, and never knew where the stupid hospital was. Just flew over downtown San Carlos and it seemed to satisfy the controllers there.

    • @Chris-su5zr
      @Chris-su5zr 10 місяців тому +1

      the hospital is in redwood city, not even in san carlos!

  • @NicStage
    @NicStage 10 місяців тому +122

    "I'm not taking anything off the air!". It's always funny when the last comment in an argument is a claim that you'll keep talking.

    • @cageordie
      @cageordie 10 місяців тому +2

      He may have thought he could end it there, but that's out of his hands. LOL!

    • @Entroper
      @Entroper 10 місяців тому +5

      Yeah I love how he immediately follows that up with "have a good day", so you are taking it off the air then?

    • @playsauce
      @playsauce 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Entroper No. He was "done" at that point anyway, but expressed if given reason to not be "done", he would continue saying whatever he wants. No real contradiction there.

  • @nicolasrios5736
    @nicolasrios5736 10 місяців тому +292

    I mean yeah, the pilot should ask for clarification BUT that is not the way a Controller should talk to a pilot. Also, I assume the student pilot was already stressed enough having a DPE for the controller to address him like that just for missing a base turn, not like he was putting other planes in explicit danger. Kudos to the DPE for standing up and defending the student!

    • @dx1450
      @dx1450 10 місяців тому +9

      Yeah, that controller was a total jerk.

    • @THRILLHOUSEV
      @THRILLHOUSEV 10 місяців тому +27

      It's so weird that in the US the controllers actually call you out for messing up during the flight. Most other countries have decided that it is better to either file it or send a supervisor over to discuss it with local users. Upsetting pilots during critical phases of flight seems like a really bad idea.

    • @philipmcniel4908
      @philipmcniel4908 10 місяців тому +5

      @@THRILLHOUSEV I'm not a pilot (except on VATSIM, that is), but I'm not sure whether I'd rather have a controller call me out on-air or try to fly while wondering whether the nice, polite controller behind the mic is about to report me to the authorities.

    • @catherinekilgour2563
      @catherinekilgour2563 10 місяців тому +13

      @@philipmcniel4908 I would rather focus on what needs to be done rather than argue with a controller over the radio while I'm trying to make sure my aircraft is set up correctly to land. Debriefing can happen once you are safely on the ground.

    • @roji556
      @roji556 10 місяців тому +10

      @@THRILLHOUSEVThis isn’t normal, this airport is well known for having dipshit controllers.

  • @ObjectiveTrade
    @ObjectiveTrade 10 місяців тому +53

    According to the FAA site, this is a Serco contracted tower. I would encourage fellow airmen and women to report their concerns to Serco so that we can have safer skies. This kind of aggression needs to be kept off the air as it jeopardizes safety. This controller might do better working as a call center employee.

    • @brightpowder_cena
      @brightpowder_cena 10 місяців тому +4

      Ah Serco, one of Britain's worst ever exports

    • @tomkandy
      @tomkandy 10 місяців тому +2

      I worked call centre jobs when I was younger - this sort of attitude to customers would certainly have got me fired from any of them.

    • @TrevorSachko
      @TrevorSachko 10 місяців тому

      And a pilot that has no idea where he is going doesn't?

    • @TommyRaines
      @TommyRaines 8 місяців тому

      Or as a megaphone tester

    • @craniumrex4614
      @craniumrex4614 5 місяців тому

      I run a call centre. I don’t want him! If your spirit is not to help people, I have no spot for you

  • @ardeladimwit
    @ardeladimwit 10 місяців тому +54

    Controller has an attitude that could be fatal. Feel sorry for his dog, cat, wife or any other potential companion or colleague.

    • @user-qr8ki8ue4i
      @user-qr8ki8ue4i 10 місяців тому +2

      Indeed.

    • @sludge8506
      @sludge8506 10 місяців тому +2

      These controllers are not FAA controllers. They are “contract” controllers.
      When one of them causes a crash, then the FAA will investigate. 😳😳😳

  • @bkembley
    @bkembley 10 місяців тому +251

    Usually controllers are pretty good. This guy made several mistakes on frequency (Flight 30 instead of 22) BECAUSE he let himself get upset at Flight 14. That's the kind of thing you can't train out of someone. It doesn't matter how well that controller learns the procedures--he will always be a problem if he lets his emotions drive.

    • @logicplague
      @logicplague 10 місяців тому +24

      That is a huge problem today with the entire population, 100% driven by their emotions with no reasoning or logic governing them, and it's only getting worse.

    • @RowanHawkins
      @RowanHawkins 10 місяців тому +11

      ​@@logicplagueits really apparent on the highway, all of this massive rushing around for what works out to be a minute or two difference in travel time. 5% less time on a 20 minute drive is a single minute. Speeding is more 'effective' at low speeds where it is significantly more dangerous to everyone not in a car.

    • @logicplague
      @logicplague 10 місяців тому

      @@j_taylor I meant in general(~99%), and I never said it wasn't a real problem, it most certainly is.

    • @sludge8506
      @sludge8506 10 місяців тому

      These controllers are not FAA controllers. They are “contract” controllers.
      When one of them causes a crash, then the FAA will investigate. 😳😳😳

    • @roberthudson1959
      @roberthudson1959 8 місяців тому

      The scary thing is that he is in a leadership position at the facility.

  • @anders95
    @anders95 10 місяців тому +207

    Props to the examiner. Totally unnecessary behavior by the tower.

    • @RustyorBroken
      @RustyorBroken 10 місяців тому +1

      I see what you did there,

    • @TrevorSachko
      @TrevorSachko 10 місяців тому

      Not really, he never even used proper procedure.

  • @Entroper
    @Entroper 10 місяців тому +66

    "Then why didn't you say something?"
    Well, he tried to, but you said he'd already been cleared to land in an annoyed tone, so he decided not to bother you any further.

  • @nomi8713
    @nomi8713 10 місяців тому +42

    That tower controller must be a joy to work with.

    • @rpc2112
      @rpc2112 10 місяців тому +5

      Imagine his exhusbands! 🤦🏼‍♂️💀

    • @jonathanloh1634
      @jonathanloh1634 10 місяців тому +5

      Forget working with him, I pity his neighbourhood/ community

  • @kngalex
    @kngalex 10 місяців тому +142

    Should the student have asked for clarification if they were unsure of the instruction? Of course. But the way the controller went about it after was wildly unprofessional and glad someone was there to finally run it up the FSDO

    • @lemonator8813
      @lemonator8813 10 місяців тому +4

      All he needed to do was tell them that. He let his ego get in the way of his thinking and professional demeanor.

    • @Bureaucromancer
      @Bureaucromancer 10 місяців тому +6

      Even if it WERE true, this is what giving a number is for. Taking it off air is not at all the same as saying that there’s nothing to discuss.

    • @dx1450
      @dx1450 10 місяців тому +9

      And how much do you want to bet that had the student asked for clarification the controller would have snapped at him then? "Everybody who flies out of here knows the hospital!" Dude needs a different job.

    • @bobh6728
      @bobh6728 10 місяців тому +9

      The pilot did not read back Kaiser Hospital so he probably missed that and just extended downwind. Then he realized he was not getting a turn to final, so asked for sequencing. When ATC repeated Kaiser Hospital, the pilot replied with unfamiliar. Sounds like the only error the pilot made was to not hear Kaiser Hospital the first time.

    • @lemonator8813
      @lemonator8813 10 місяців тому +2

      @@dx1450 definitely. There's no room in aviation for attitudes.

  • @Code_7500
    @Code_7500 10 місяців тому +145

    No, the controller is required to listen to a correct read-back... in which the pilot never read-back the "hospital BASE". That's when tower helps out the pilot.

    • @thomasdalton1508
      @thomasdalton1508 10 місяців тому +7

      It's common enough to abbreviate read backs. It's probably not a good idea, especially if you didn't understand the bit you left out, but if the controller had insisted on a full read back people would probably be complaining he was being too pedantic.

    • @Code_7500
      @Code_7500 10 місяців тому +18

      @@thomasdalton1508 Complacency Kills

    • @apa182
      @apa182 10 місяців тому +36

      Air traffic controller here: He did say "extending the downwind", since "everyone" is usually familiar with this hospital, I would have taken this readback as valid enough. Having said that, I have to admit, the response of the ATC to the situation was very unprofessional. Well done by the instructor to step up and professionally responded.

    • @robv.1503
      @robv.1503 10 місяців тому +4

      @@apa182 Wouldn't it have made sense for the controller to simply say 'Turn base at the Kaiser hospital, rwy 30, cleared to land', as opposed to 'extend downwind to the hospital?'. Both statements communicate the same thing, but one is WAY more obvious than the other.

    • @yohanauguuste
      @yohanauguuste 10 місяців тому +1

      @@robv.1503 wherever you end downwind is where u start base. They are the same thing.

  • @maurice_walker
    @maurice_walker 10 місяців тому +19

    When did they lower the minimum age for ATCs to seven?

  • @justinhurst5937
    @justinhurst5937 10 місяців тому +27

    My sister lived in San Carlos for a short period. There’s something about that town that spews anger the rest of the Bay Area doesn’t share.

    • @JasonP407
      @JasonP407 10 місяців тому

      Talk about the ''City of Good Living''(according to Google), right?

    • @skyhawk_4526
      @skyhawk_4526 10 місяців тому +3

      They are downwind of San Francisco. I'd be angry about that too. (Just a joke and no excuse for that controller's attitude)

  • @gpslightlock1422
    @gpslightlock1422 10 місяців тому +71

    The world needs plenty of bartenders!

    • @dx1450
      @dx1450 10 місяців тому +3

      Well, the world needs ditch diggers too. - Judge Smails

    • @stephenhenley7452
      @stephenhenley7452 10 місяців тому +1

      As long as they don't become congressmen...

    • @quillmaurer6563
      @quillmaurer6563 10 місяців тому +1

      I doubt anyone would want to order drinks from this guy either. He needs a job that doesn't involve interacting with people.

    • @nitehawk86
      @nitehawk86 10 місяців тому +2

      If a bartender treated me like that, it would be the last time I went into that bar.

    • @benrichey2593
      @benrichey2593 10 місяців тому

      This guy would be fired as a bartender for treating customers like that.

  • @luuk341
    @luuk341 10 місяців тому +98

    Bro. Was the coffee machine at the tower broken that day? Whats wrong with that controller.

    • @RowanHawkins
      @RowanHawkins 10 місяців тому +2

      Or maybe turn down the octane. I'm from NY, and thought the guy was talking fast. He wasn't landing flights at JFK afterall.

    • @dx1450
      @dx1450 10 місяців тому

      Someone urinated in his corn flakes that morning...

  • @kewkabe
    @kewkabe 10 місяців тому +111

    The pilot read back "extend downwind" and left out the hospital part, so the controller is at fault here for not catching the readback (0:15).

    • @winitforal
      @winitforal 10 місяців тому +1

      Not how that works

    • @davidmiller716
      @davidmiller716 10 місяців тому +3

      If the pilot didn't hear the hospital part he couldn't read it back. Not saying he didn't, but it is certainly possible.

    • @winitforal
      @winitforal 10 місяців тому +1

      @@davidmiller716 there's no requirement to read it back anyway

    • @kewkabe
      @kewkabe 10 місяців тому +7

      @@winitforal Yes it is. You're thinking of the AIM which is non-regulatory (and says only read back numbers). But we ATC use the 7110.65 which is regulatory and requires us to ensure all instructions are read back (emphasis on ALL). See section 2-4-3.

    • @winitforal
      @winitforal 10 місяців тому +1

      @@kewkabe wrong. That section says to ensure pilots acknowledge ALL ATC clearances. They can acknowledge with "Wilco" for several things. That section specifies things in the clearance you need read back(hold short instructions and the usage of call signs).

  • @aparfeno
    @aparfeno 10 місяців тому +10

    That hospital is not a VFR reporting point, so pilot doesn't have to know it. Granted he should have asked ("not familiar, pls call by base")

  • @uwllradar
    @uwllradar 10 місяців тому +10

    I work as a radar ATC in Russia. The most flights we have are training. Sometimes a student and an instructor who is a recent graduate don't understand an instruction, but readback it correctly. I see that they don't comply with my instruction, I'm getting nervous of that, especially when I have to sequence traffic for some passengers' flight. But I try not to argue on the frequency, because it's really unsafe to make a pilot concerning about something

  • @user-de2zo1bw4d
    @user-de2zo1bw4d 10 місяців тому +22

    The ATC didn’t give that “number to call” this time for a reason 😂

  • @ItsMotoMatt
    @ItsMotoMatt 10 місяців тому +7

    Excellent work! Hats off to the examiner on BF14. It is NOT a controller's job to tie up the radio with inflammatory chatter. Direct the planes, THE END. Nothing else falls under your scope.

  • @douglaswithers7656
    @douglaswithers7656 10 місяців тому +8

    ATC was using non-standard verbiage which caused the confusion, then doubled down when he said everyone who flies out of KSQL knows where the Kaiser hospital is. Well, it’s not on the air charts, SID or STAR.

    • @sludge8506
      @sludge8506 10 місяців тому

      These controllers are not FAA controllers. They are “contract” controllers.
      When one of them causes a crash, then the FAA will investigate. 😳😳😳

  • @JansViews
    @JansViews 10 місяців тому +14

    Woah! 😮 Let’s hope the ATC’s ignorance doesn’t put the student pilot off his desire to fly.
    I’ve never heard such rudeness from a Tower before, especially when communicating with a student.
    The fact that he maintained his tone towards the instructor, shows his need for power/control is off the charts.
    I hope they drop-kick him outta the tower before his behaviour causes serious consequences.

  • @wenc599
    @wenc599 10 місяців тому +19

    I’ve seen aggressive controllers but this guy is a special kind…

    • @dobrowolsk
      @dobrowolsk 10 місяців тому +3

      It's not even the aggressiveness, but the need to tell everybody in long words how bad of a pilot Bay 14 supposedly was. That's just ignoring basic safety principles for nothing but their own ego.

  • @turbo2ltr
    @turbo2ltr 10 місяців тому +26

    The controller was not wrong in that if he didn't know, he should have asked. But when the pilot asked a followup for sequencing and the controller said "clear to land" with no sequence number. I assume he turned base at that point. Saying everyone that flies out of there knows where the hospital is is definitely not an appropriate answer. Mistakes were made on both sides. The controller made it much worse with his attitude.

    • @dx1450
      @dx1450 10 місяців тому +11

      How much do you want to bet that had the pilot asked for clarification as to where the hospital is, the controller would have given him attitude then?

    • @paolobernardi6835
      @paolobernardi6835 9 місяців тому

      @@dx1450 he did more than once. I KNOW 😅

  • @omidheidari4462
    @omidheidari4462 10 місяців тому +12

    Imagine being on middle of your checkride with all the pressure and nerveous and this happens to you, i feel for the applicant...

  • @Adam-vx1ib
    @Adam-vx1ib 10 місяців тому +21

    I have been training out of San Carlos since 2014. A few years ago, the FAA stopped controlling SQL because of lack of traffic. A private company took over, and since then, i have never encountered a group of controllers more condescending, and just outright awful.. More recently, it has gotten much worse due to critical staffing issues. For over a year, there were only two active controllers. The airport had to reduce its hours from 9am to 4pm for a long time due to this. As a result, the quality of controlling has gone down. pilots have been asking, BEGGING the FAA to take back control of the tower for years, to no avail. Now, I just fly out of San Carlos and fly to Palo Alto, where there is a great group of nice, capable controllers. I really hope the FAA takes back control of the tower. These controllers are absolute jerks. The one in this recording, in particular, has an extremely short fuse.

    • @larrysmith6797
      @larrysmith6797 9 місяців тому +2

      Keep voting Democrat. Things are bound to get better!

  • @_wingflexaviation_
    @_wingflexaviation_ 10 місяців тому +65

    Our controllers at KSQL are underpaid and severely understaffed in comparison to all of the other controlled towers in the Bay Area, as KSQL is the only contract tower in the Bay operated by Serco. This however does not excuse our few controller's behavior on frequency, this being a prime example. As stated above this particular controller in the almost year he has been the tower manager has a knack for picking fights on frequency to pilots who are unfamiliar with the objectively non standard VFR/IFR departures and arrivals. On multiple occasions he has berated pilots for several seconds at a time whilst managing multiple light aircraft in our Class D airspace, effectively negating his focus from his job as a controller and turning it into an opportunity to shame a pilot publicly on frequency (not a smart idea seeing that at least 60% of our based flights are students that are trying to build more confidence in the airplane). It's gotten to a point where I've heard some people jokingly suggest we're better off without a Class D and instead go to Class G despite San Francisco's Class B surface area being less than 5 miles off RWY 30's departure heading. This dude scares away pilots, and in turn scares away business from our already struggling airport, and to top it off destroys both student or in some cases already rated pilot's confidence while operating over a densely populated area in the immediate vicinity of a Class B surface area. Serco needs to step in or Congress needs to force them out.

    • @STIAVI80R
      @STIAVI80R 10 місяців тому

      Better tell them to chill because if I ever fly in there with that bs attitude I’m gonna crash the gate at the tower come beat his ass. I feel like that’s this guys problem. Hasn’t had a proper ass beating after running off at the mouth and gonna hide behind a headset, gate, and console at the atc tower.

    • @daleemmons36
      @daleemmons36 10 місяців тому +5

      Agreed. I trained 20 hours of KSQL and then got my cert elsewhere a few years ago. I fly out of another bay area airport and absolutely avoid San Carlos now even though I know the area reasonably well.

    • @mwiz100
      @mwiz100 10 місяців тому +1

      I feel like this also needs the added pressure of the flight schools on management (Both Sergo and SQL themselves.) If a controller is ultimately costing the airport revenue then someone will take note and do something.

    • @_wingflexaviation_
      @_wingflexaviation_ 10 місяців тому +8

      Oh they are all well aware from the flight schools to the airport management. Some more than others have taken as much action as possible (one of the flight school owners made a great post in this comment section). If you read his post which is currently the most liked comment we are literally between a rock and a hard place. The FAA has acknowledged but is either unable or at worst unwilling to act, Serco has yet to take administrative action on this controller, and if they fail to ever do so the only way they would get the boot is if Congress voted to replace them with an FAA staffed tower. Ask any pilot that has flown in the Bay Area, every other tower which is FAA staffed (with the exception of SFO Tower Karen) is 100x more respectful / professional but above all safer than our guys. In their defense it's literally just two of them full time with a new guy rotating in and out every few months or so. Regardless, it's unsustainable and a disaster waiting to happen. @@mwiz100

    • @omaramin4070
      @omaramin4070 9 місяців тому

      Every busy tower is understaffed in the us right now.

  • @nicholasvalera1298
    @nicholasvalera1298 10 місяців тому +9

    I gave up learning to fly because of personalities like this. Hopefully, I will start again when things improve

  • @TracyRifleandPistol
    @TracyRifleandPistol 10 місяців тому +12

    KSQL is insanely hard to fly in and out of if you aren’t familiar with the unpublished departure procedures. Controllers expect everyone to know all the landmarks and it’s incredibly weird what passes for ATC out there.

    • @roberthudson1959
      @roberthudson1959 8 місяців тому

      Witness the fact that this controller is in a management position.

  • @eazymoneyracing
    @eazymoneyracing 10 місяців тому +6

    With all of the air traffic control issues we have seen lately, this one really stands out!

  • @w.ryanbutler8097
    @w.ryanbutler8097 10 місяців тому +10

    Very unprofessional at best, dangerous at worst. An attitude like that creates an oppressive culture in which a hesitant/new pilot will be reluctant to ask the very question that could keep him out of harm's way. Wow, that guy had a lot of unnecessary chirping.

  • @judahroyal9879
    @judahroyal9879 9 місяців тому

    Thank you for sharing this. Really hope this addressed with results not jus threats of losing their job.

  • @alexisesguerra2544
    @alexisesguerra2544 10 місяців тому +81

    Flown out of KSQL for 22 years. Where many non-KSQL flyers are aghast at this controller’s behavior, for us locals, it’s just another “Tuesday”. 😂

    • @telemundie
      @telemundie 10 місяців тому +45

      ring the ol' normalization of deviance bell!

    • @spinkid2000
      @spinkid2000 10 місяців тому +12

      Aircraft and pilots come and go at airports all over the world and I assume pass through here without knowing the area. The reason there are agreed upon phrasings and even language is so everyone is able to understand. If someone asked me for driving directions in my hometown I wouldn't base it upon local landmarks.

    • @Dashi18n
      @Dashi18n 10 місяців тому +5

      I’m sorry, but controllers need to be professional with every aircraft regardless of how familiar those pilots are with the local area and especially at an airport with several student pilots! I’m honestly glad that SQL is shut down for a few weeks while this situation gets worked out

    • @alexisesguerra2544
      @alexisesguerra2544 10 місяців тому +2

      @@Dashi18nOh I wholeheartedly agree. 👍👍 But when you deal with getting lambasted for the twentieth time because .”you’re NOT at Spot Juliet Five, it’s the NORTH TOWER PARKING” you just get a bit “whatever” 😂

    • @skyecommander2169
      @skyecommander2169 10 місяців тому +1

      I see what you did there 🦬

  • @Mountainbaseddweller
    @Mountainbaseddweller 10 місяців тому +22

    People are going nuts.

  • @sintillate1913
    @sintillate1913 10 місяців тому +14

    If controllers are going to start directing people to landmarks, they should put them on the FAA charts like the "Cement Plant" already is, or use an already charted waypoint nearby like "AT&T tower" which is just 1 NM downwind from the non-standard kaiser hospital waypoint they decided to use instead. It's apparently not enough that they have about a dozen VFR waypoints already charted specifically for San Carlos (like SLAC, Stanford Stadium, Cement Plant, Interchange Crystal Springs Causeway, Mid-span San Mateo Bridge, Dumbarton Bridge, etc) that they have to invent new ones to confuse pilots??

    • @baomao7243
      @baomao7243 10 місяців тому

      I thought EXACTLY the same thing about KSQL as i reviewed the chart in Foreflight. Well stated.

  • @djurispijker3519
    @djurispijker3519 10 місяців тому +3

    Flew as a CFI for Bel Air at SQL in 2007/2008. Our instructors and students were always welcome to visit the tower and learn valuable stuff from the nice tower guys and gals. I guess a lot has changed since then🤦🏼‍♂️.

  • @alanduncan4207
    @alanduncan4207 10 місяців тому +5

    In training, one of my first solo cross-countries while building hours was into Harrisburg, PA. The controller gave me a clearance that referenced "TMI" - fortunately I had the presence of mind to ask what his acronym was. Turns out it was Three Mile Island. I've had more than one controller automatically assume that GA traffic knows their local verbal shortcuts. The controller here wasn't wrong in asserting that the PIC should have spoken up if they were unfamiliar with the local visual landmarks; but boy was he snarky.

  • @adamwatkins1150
    @adamwatkins1150 10 місяців тому +27

    First of all, if I were ever to become a pilot, I would constantly have to ask towers to "please repeat that more slowly." Secondly, the pilot should be commended for attempting to de-escalate by asking what the tower wanted him to do instead of arguing with the tower. And the tower took that olive branch and crushed it by snarking to fly the airplane. The controller is going to have a tough time finding a job at McDonalds after this.

    • @bbgun061
      @bbgun061 10 місяців тому +5

      There's nothing wrong with asking that! Most pilots get used to listening to the radios after a short while. It's a matter of practice, just as anything else.

    • @0BuLLeT01
      @0BuLLeT01 10 місяців тому +3

      Aviators also know more or less what they're expecting to hear and what it should sound like, which helps understand the rapid-fire talk on the radios.

  • @captainfantastic6840
    @captainfantastic6840 10 місяців тому +36

    I get that ground points are a good way to understand a pattern, but wouldn’t it just be better for the controller to give the pilot a distance or to just call their turn? Not everyone is familiar with different points on the ground. It certainly wouldn’t have hurt the controller to call the turn anyway and leave it without the attitude.

  • @usernameunknkown
    @usernameunknkown 10 місяців тому +4

    There's a lost art of going and knocking on someone's door, to speak with them face to face. Because of that, we have people acting like this controller. We need to go back to the days of, "Meet me in the parking lot when I land."

  • @CandyGirl44
    @CandyGirl44 10 місяців тому +6

    The examiner has a calm, yet authoritive voice. The ATC could take some notes!

  • @Vroomerz
    @Vroomerz 10 місяців тому +6

    Based on this video and the comment section, need to pump in KSQL's Live ATC to UA-cam...

  • @DragonPhlyy
    @DragonPhlyy 10 місяців тому +6

    No doubt that if the pilot had asked for clarification in the air the the outcome would have been the same with act berating the pilot for not knowing where kieser hospital was.

  • @Techinvestigator
    @Techinvestigator 10 місяців тому +1

    Someone once told me that if theres a discrepancy w a controller, ask them to "mark tape now" Get parked, then call for a supv and reference the recording for later use to resolve any potential issue.

  • @casesully50
    @casesully50 10 місяців тому +1

    I learned to fly when I was 14 at this airport. Cool to see they still you the cement plant call out

  • @PilotGrapefruit
    @PilotGrapefruit 10 місяців тому +15

    Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed that morning…

  • @xygomorphic44
    @xygomorphic44 10 місяців тому +8

    This is serious. Those controllers are likely going to get promoted to JFK for this.

  • @darklordojeda
    @darklordojeda 10 місяців тому

    San Carlos is about 40 minutes north of where I live. I'm in the flight line of Reid Hillview departures and San Jose Mineta departures. 10 minutes north and I get to see SFO arrivals, Palo Alto traffic and the occasional Moffett Field traffic. I'm in a honey hole of air traffic, unfortunately there's a lot of ground traffic too.

  • @harrydowning2675
    @harrydowning2675 8 місяців тому +1

    The pilot assumed the landmark would be self-evident and the controller assumed the pilot had landed there before.

  • @zenoice2171
    @zenoice2171 10 місяців тому +6

    Have transitioned via KSQL many times and I remember controllers there being extremely rude and unprofessional in multiple occasions, ATC should be there to help not make pilot’s life more difficult.

  • @slclark209
    @slclark209 9 місяців тому +6

    This breaks my heart. I was a controller at Squirrel from '98 through 2001. Back then the airport was a close-knit community, including the controllers. There was almost a sense of family about the place. We were a humping facility back then as it was the Silicon Valley boom days with 800-900 ops per day seen more than a few times (generally about 500-600 per day). I don't know the controller in this video but I do know others like them. Generally they'll shrink like a violet if confronted face to face. Yesterday I tried uploading a story about the airport but apparently it was too long for UA-cam comments so today I'm going to try and upload the story in three parts in the replies to this. I'll number them as I don't know if they go last to first or first to last as I upload. Bottom line, Squirrel (SQL) needs to be fixed! I'd go back in a heartbeat but I lost my Class II years ago.

    • @slclark209
      @slclark209 9 місяців тому +2

      Part 1..
      The Best Lil' Airport in the West - 3730.42N/12214.58W
      By Stacy L. Clark, 2000
      "Click" went the lighter as the controller lit his cigarette, subconsciously putting the pack and lighter back into his left shirt pocket. He leaned on the catwalk railing in a familiar cross-armed pose. Taking in the peaceful stillness with every draw on his cigarette he pondered the day to come; it would be so different in only a few hours. The airport he loved so much was slowly dying and there was nothing he could do about it. It had been eaten into on three sides by ever more mundane and utilitarian office buildings. Its only reprieve was the protected wetland slough that lay north and east of the field. But he held out no hope. The small band of vocal neighbors that lived nearby would see to that. They were to be the final nails in the coffin. They had no understanding of what this little strip of asphalt meant to those that flew and worked here. No, "the neighbors" were too self-absorbed with their own lives to care. They uniformly pleaded ignorance when asked if they knew there was an airport nearby before they moved in. "We just didn't realize," they'd sing in unison…yet inaudibly within the privacy of their top-of-the-line BMW's and customized low-profile tired SUV's they were angry with themselves for buying into their grossly overpriced homes. They felt duped by their own personal greed. No, the battle lines had certainly been drawn, and the airport was to be the sacrificial lamb. History would surely once again repeat itself to its own eventual demise, just another thread of the American Quilt lost.
      He decided not to think about it. Instead, he gazed out toward the slough and the foothills beyond. The sun was just beginning to peer over the top of the highest peak, its rays playing off the scattered clouds in an almost spiritual way, punctuating the sky with intense hues of pink, orange, and blues. He watched the geese next to the taxiway as they taught their young to waddle in straight lines to and fro, the mothers always on the lookout for the larger ‘metal birds’ that crossed their path. He spied the rabbits that ran swiftly from one hiding place to another. He noted the hawks above intently eyeing their prey below, the seagulls circling haphazardly overhead, the finches and sparrows gorging themselves in the new-mown infield grass. This was a shared space, a place where man and nature converged and they had peacefully coexisted side by side for decades. He reflected for a moment on how a few others on the airport saw these same things, but that was neither here nor there now. He took one last drag on his well-smoked cigarette, paused, and then flicked it into the Folgers can that served as his personal ashtray. He turned to walk back inside.
      With a quick practiced stab of his right hand's index and middle fingers he activated the local and ground control frequencies on the console. He grabbed the handheld mike with his left. He watched as the red digital clock ticked away in Zulu-time (Greenwich meantime) "14:59:57…58…59… 15:00:00" straight up. He keyed the mike with his thumb…
      "Attention all aircraft, Small Town Tower is open for air traffic services. Runway one-two in use, wind calm, altimeter three-zero-zero-four, information x-ray current." (cont. to Part 2)

    • @slclark209
      @slclark209 9 місяців тому +2

      Part 2...
      The little airport that he felt so much a part of was now officially awake from its slumber. Within the hour the first sounds of cold and damp engines sputtering to life on the ramps would be heard…whirr-whirr, putt-putt, putt-putt, rattle-rattle…Grrrrrrr. The statico drone of the run-ups…GRRRRRRRR-Rumph…GRRRRRRRR-Rumph…squeak, squeak…purrr. He loved those sounds. He kept the back door of the tower open so he could hear them. It made him feel more in tune with it all. He contemplated as he made a pot of coffee how to the uninitiated eye the airport was certainly nothing special. As a matter of fact, compared to its famous "big brother" nine miles to the northwest, it may well have looked like a dump. The oldest hanger roofs were a dark red-orange from years of exposure to the salt-laden air and sun. The bottoms of their galvanized doors were a bright carroty color from decades of rain splattering against them. Other hangers were shades of mustard, off-whites, and faded pea greens. Nothing on the airport matched. It was built up as necessity dictated. This was especially easy to see from the air, the various tones of asphalt and concrete delineating the airport’s growth. The main terminal building, having recently received a new coat of paint, could not hide its no-frills design. It was a standard governmental "L" shaped building so prevalent at small airports across the country. Its only distinct feature was a retracted Dutch roof that hid the various air conditioning and heating units above. Inside the base of the "L" was the terminal waiting area, the airport operations office, a pilot's shop, public restrooms, and the Sky Chef Café. The remainder of the building housed two of the airport's three flight schools, West Bay and Emerald Aviation as well as an aircraft sales office. On the opposite side of the airport amongst other non-descript hangers and buildings stood the tower. It was diminutive in stature, barely two and one-half-stories high at the top of its cab. Yet the base was wide enough to support a tower three times its height. The red-brown pentagonal cab looked like the prow of a ship at certain angles, lunging forward toward the runway as if somehow that enhanced its effectiveness. In front of the tower was a doublewide mobile home that served no purpose other than to take up space. Beyond that was the airport's one unique feature…"the bandstand". It was a sturdy covered wooden structure wired for sound, designed so instructors could watch and listen to their student's solos. Yet it was used much more often simply as a place to relax, whittle away a couple of hours, fill out pilot logbooks, study aviation rules and regulations, and even hold secret lunchtime rendezvous. No, to the uninitiated, the airport was certainly nothing to write home about. Yet to those who knew it, there wasn't a better place on earth. It was a very special small town within a larger uncaring and unfeeling municipality.
      The heart of this exceptional small town was undoubtedly the Sky Chef Café. Inside its wood paneled walls and model airplane dotted ceiling, one felt the pulse of the airport. Every morning at sunrise you could find the regulars bumping up to the counters for the daily special, which always seemed to be "Huevos Rancheros $5.75". Soon after breakfast started the ‘war stories’ would begin; they'd continue all day long. The loudest tales came from the raised square counter in the middle of the dining area. It was an unwritten rule that this spot was reserved for the most honored of the regulars. It was their base of operations, their central command post as it were. From its humble countertop lay the fate of the free world, or at least one would think so to hear the conversations. There was Van, the rough and rugged individualist, a retired pipe fitter by trade. He could land his red Cessna Skywagon with a freshly killed elk onboard in the length of a full size car (provided there was enough headwind). Karen, a genuinely nice yet savvy businesswoman who started Emerald Aviation simply because she wanted to learn how to fly; it soon became the top flight school on the airport. She even held a sort of aviation summer camp called Camp Katana for kids every year. There was Jim, whose greatest joy in life seemed to be giving free rides to scores of kids in his Cardinal every third Saturday of the month. Mick, whose gentleness was in stark contrast to his life as a Marine in the jungles of World War II, "Windy", Mick's best friend who sparred verbally with him at the slightest provocation yet loved him like a brother. Will, the well-to-do former car dealer and real estate tycoon that now lived for the simple joy of flight in his pristine Fairchild PT-19. There was Tina, the 5' 2" outdoorsy and soft-spoken airport operations specialist who could hold her own with any man and was truly loved. There was Bernie, the quiet man with a heart of gold who often stood-in at the pilot shop register; Cliff, the no-nonsense type who could fly his Edge aerobatic plane to the sky's limits and beyond. Cathy, who was virtually considered a daughter by every male on the airport over fifty. As a pilot, she was a "hell of a stick," they would say. There was Penny, an instructor at Emerald. Though young, she was a natural pilot and instructor. She had already saved the life of one of her solo students whose engine unexpectedly went out one day…simply through her teaching. Yes, there were many personalities in this rag-tag bunch, many others had since left to pursue their futures, many had passed on, but they were all remembered…and they all had a place at that table. If it were not for this tiny airport, their paths would have never crossed. Their lives and lifestyles were truly so different from one another's. Yet fortunately they had, and they were like a family. (cont. to Part 3)

    • @slclark209
      @slclark209 9 місяців тому +2

      Part 3..
      This particular morning, a Saturday, was Young Eagle's Day; Jim's favorite day of the month. It was also the controller's favorite. "FREE AIRPLANE RIDE FOR KIDS TODAY…11:00 TO 1:00PM…" the scrolling sign on the air museum advertised. As the families started to trickle in, one could feel their silent apprehension. Parents wondering through telltale glances, "should we be doing this? Is it safe? What if…?" The kids, especially the boys, demonstrating bravado but inside fearing the unknown, "Mommy I'm scared" would seem to emanate from their eyes as their names were eventually called and they began their cautious walk toward the planes…letting go of their parents’ hands. "Hi, I'm Jim, I'm going to be your pilot today…"
      "…Number nine, cleared to land," echoed through the museum's loudspeakers in an even, yet singsong tone. At the same time, inside the tower, the man the voice emanated from sat somewhat hunched forward in the tower chair, his right elbow resting on the green traffic management board that angled toward him. The board was the controller's physical memory. As he spoke, he moved the four-inch Plexiglas chips with the aircraft callsigns written on them in white grease pencil effortlessly around the board. The only telltale sign he was busy at all was his leg, which shook subconsciously to a tense rhythm.
      Mixed in with the Young Eagle flights landing and taking off that day were other small general aviation aircraft with call-signs prefaced with names like Cherokee, Cessna, Bonanza, and Mooney; the majority of those belonging to the airport's three flight schools. Occasionally, within the controller's diatribe one would hear radio calls beginning with Kingair, Pilatus, Citation, Marchetti Jet, Delphin, and Yak. Those were the larger, faster, and higher performance aircraft that frequented the airport or transitioned briefly through its airspace. The Kingairs, Pilatus, and Citations brought those fortunate enough to charter their own transportation to this center of ‘new world’ commerce, wealthy out-of-towners, former sports heroes, business executives, and so on. Sometimes they brought people in need of life-saving medical attention. The Marchettis, Delphins, and Yaks were mainly the play-toys of the area's nouveau-riche. However, many ‘real pilots’ owned those as well, especially the Delphins and Yaks. One often wondered how many of the aircraft that used this diminutive 2600' piece of asphalt could takeoff and land at all. Surely, it was not originally intended for them. But they used it nonetheless, and they used it well.
      "Bonanza seven-zulu-sierra, runway three-zero, position and hold; traffic Cardinal three-quarter-mile final…Power-up be ready when I call. Cardinal niner-six-xray, make S-turns, traffic in position a Bonanza, cleared to land."
      As Jim's Cardinal 96X landed and exited the runway the glow on the kid's faces was unmistakable…as were the relieved gasps from their parents. To bring the love of aviation into the lives of another batch of kids is great gift for those who give it…on both sides of the mike. To see that child bright-eyed and in awe is something that one can never let go of. To be a part of that cannot be described in words. It is rather a warm and heart-felt feeling that one can only live through direct experience. It is the handing-off of the baton, the passing of the flame, the spark that can change a lifetime. And perhaps, just perhaps, one day one of those kids will be sitting at that very same raised center table living, and reliving, the tales of a lifetime. And that is what it is all about.
      The controller in this story no longer works at this "fictitious," yet very real airport. He has moved on, but still considers this airport an integral part of who he is, or was. The people in the story are real and although their names have been changed they will recognize themselves immediately. Those who fly there will surely know it as well. If you are part of an airport, no matter your city, state, profession, or title, it may very well remind you of your own home field. And that is the intent of this little narrative. Do not allow the winds of change to take it away from you. Do not allow it to be taken away from that silent kid who leans on the airport fence...always looking up.
      Remember: "Every flight has a purpose, every takeoff a destination…."

  • @craig8727
    @craig8727 10 місяців тому +1

    As a former Boston Center controller I want to apologize to any pilots who have had to deal with such a rude and unprofessional controller such as this one. No matter how frustrated I got I would never disrespect a pilot like that, that controller needs to be fired.

  • @phreakmonkey
    @phreakmonkey 10 місяців тому +1

    I have stopped flying in/out of KSQL when I commute to the bay area. I've repeatedly heard the tower controller be unprofessional, unclear, unhelpful, and berate pilots for things that are NOT FAA standard operating procedure. I've also more than once been post-facto billed for tiedowns there that I'd previously paid for, at a great enough duration that it was cheaper to just double-pay than to pay my credit union the $20 fee to pull the archives and show that I'd previously paid the $15.
    It makes me sad to specifically avoid a general aviation airport in an area I frequent over quibbles like these, but there it is.

  • @christopherlucas4620
    @christopherlucas4620 10 місяців тому +3

    SQL Tower said "gotta listen" where those question marks are at 0:41

  • @kentskor2055
    @kentskor2055 10 місяців тому +27

    Wow. Somebody needs to have a more substantial breakfast.

    • @markmaki4460
      @markmaki4460 10 місяців тому +2

      Haha - maybe he picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue!

    • @BrantAerials
      @BrantAerials 10 місяців тому

      or a snickers bar!

  • @jeffreybrunken556
    @jeffreybrunken556 10 місяців тому +2

    I was a General Aviation pilot for over 25 years and 1000 hours. Life got in the way and I left it around 2000. I learned to fly out of what was one of the 10 busiest GA airports in the US at the time and operated regularly VFR and IFR out of a number of other busy GA and commercial fields. I never heard anything like this from any controller on any frequency I was ever on. Not once. What on earth has happened to Aviation???

    • @sludge8506
      @sludge8506 10 місяців тому +1

      These controllers are not FAA controllers. They are “contract” controllers.
      When one of them causes a crash, then the FAA will investigate. 😳😳😳

    • @jeffreybrunken556
      @jeffreybrunken556 10 місяців тому +1

      Just sad.

  • @JL-bd3gt
    @JL-bd3gt 10 місяців тому +1

    A pilot for over 40 years, and a regular at SQL, just last year I had my closest midair due to an innatentive controller here. Reported it to norcal, but went nowhere.

  • @Trek001
    @Trek001 10 місяців тому +4

    I think San Carlos needs new tower goons very very very quickly

  • @BayouSelf
    @BayouSelf 10 місяців тому +5

    I know nothing about being a pilot or air traffic controlling, but I know how to talk to another human being. That’s not the way. Probably a very small man in that tower that feels big on the radio

  • @slay47808
    @slay47808 10 місяців тому +1

    props to the checkride applicant for honest and clear radio calls amidst checkride stress on top of this negative interaction.

  • @brianirion1
    @brianirion1 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you DPE for your actions and words. Didn't know psychology of ATC's is part of ACS. Maybe it's not.

  • @jeep6242
    @jeep6242 10 місяців тому +5

    That controller had a correction in like 1/3 of his transmissions and another 1/3 were just him being an ass lol.

  • @Natemare13
    @Natemare13 10 місяців тому +3

    Good on the examiner for standing up for the pilot. I've never heard of a controller be so provocative, especially with airspace that clear. The controller was having a bad day and dumped all his garbage on one guy.

  • @EllsworthJohnson-ui1xm
    @EllsworthJohnson-ui1xm 10 місяців тому +1

    Controller was on an ego trip. I flew for 53 years, never had as rude a controller as this, ever. Should be fired.

  • @kennielsen3896
    @kennielsen3896 10 місяців тому +1

    Amazing to see so many knowledgeable people speak out about the dangerous unprofessional behavior of this contractor. Don't want to make this political, but you can find this in heavily republican jurisdictions, contracts go to the most unqualified people. As a contractor for 12 years with a republican county government, I left after the take it or leave it 4th contract was proposed. The unionized County employees were paid two to three times what they were offering us for the same work. I doubled my income by leaving.

  • @user-qr8ki8ue4i
    @user-qr8ki8ue4i 10 місяців тому +5

    This is the type of guy that, once fired, comes back to the jobsite one day with a gym bag and a semi-automatic.

    • @user-lp3cf5yn5b
      @user-lp3cf5yn5b 10 місяців тому +1

      Well what a surprise it would be if Mr hothead was met by similarly armed victims? Bet he'd not do that shit again

    • @MuzixMaker
      @MuzixMaker 6 днів тому

      @@user-lp3cf5yn5bnot in Commiefornia

  • @babygrrlpc5057
    @babygrrlpc5057 10 місяців тому +11

    I thought this was the whole point of, I have a number for you to call - so this kind of discourse isn't consuming valuable comms. What if during all that nonsense someone had had a single moment to announce an emergency? This stuff has to stop. People who aren't prepared to fly should get out of the cockpit, and controllers who are overstressed need to get union representation that is meaningful! Good luck to EVERYONE in the skies today.

  • @BigSwift9
    @BigSwift9 10 місяців тому +1

    “I’m unfamiliar with Kaiser Hospital” needs to printed onto a T-shirt. Additionally, that statement needs to be put on a thousand postcards and mass-mailed to the SQL tower

  • @rich3203
    @rich3203 10 місяців тому +1

    Everyone should file a freedom of information act to the regional headquarters asking for the Controllers name and training records. How many incidents he has been involved in. How much remedial training they have had and past performance evaluations. Also ask for the results of all Tape talks they have had and any remedial trailing that resulted from those tape talks. Also ask for copies of all complaints filed in the last 3 years against the Controllers at San Carlos and Serco the company with the Airtraffic Contract. SQL is a Contract tower so this controller probably has a bad attitude because he couldn't be a real controller. If you google San Carlos you find all kinds of incidents. Email Serco with your complaints and CC the FAA.

  • @MikoMuru
    @MikoMuru 10 місяців тому +3

    Pilots and atc are supposed to have a harmonious relationship fostering teamwork and great communication. The pilot read back he was extending downwind as instructed but omitted the command extending to kaiser hospital. This could be multitude of factors which in this case was the controller being stepped on by other radio callers so the pilot missed that call. Its the controllers job at this point for the incomplete read back and to clarify this to the pilot.

    • @alexisesguerra2544
      @alexisesguerra2544 10 місяців тому +1

      It exists. Literally ANY airfield in that area has a better pilot/controller dynamic. Even SFO will keep it cool, even if a student pilot messes up their stride during the moon rush. This guy is pretty unique.

    • @rubenjanssen1672
      @rubenjanssen1672 10 місяців тому

      prity unique and not int the good wayy
      @@alexisesguerra2544

  • @jackielinde7568
    @jackielinde7568 10 місяців тому +14

    It's one thing to piss someone off enough that they tell you they're going to call the FAA. It's an entirely different matter to piss off someone who works for the FAA. Never piss off the people who know your boss's, boss's boss.

    • @johnopalko5223
      @johnopalko5223 10 місяців тому +3

      A Designated Pilot Examiner (DPE) is not an FAA employee. They are Flight Instructors who are authorized by the FAA to give pilot examinations and issue temporary airman certificates.

  • @archstanton6441
    @archstanton6441 8 місяців тому +1

    I'm a retired 25 year ATC from ORD. Ths is just another weak, untalented, entitled, rude controller. He needs to be disciplined or removed.

  • @joshish9884
    @joshish9884 10 місяців тому +1

    As a tower controller at a southern california airport, this is embarrassing. Im sorry anyone has to deal with this kind of unprofessionalism. These guys need to get their act together and work safely and professionally. I feel bad that anyone gets this impression of controllers.

  • @fhuber7507
    @fhuber7507 10 місяців тому +5

    Guy "flying the tower" has an attitude where he shouldn't be allowed to "fly a tricycle"
    You know he's a road rager when he drives.

    • @nosuchanimal6947
      @nosuchanimal6947 10 місяців тому

      at least he's very adept at flying into rage 🤪

    • @adamwatkins1150
      @adamwatkins1150 10 місяців тому

      I'll bet $1,000 he drives a Volkswagen or a Jeep. You can take the field.

  • @davebartosh5
    @davebartosh5 10 місяців тому +5

    Even before I read any comments...I said to myself that the tower controller's temper was too hot. The aviation community is usually polite, often humorous unless someone creates danger. None was really caused here. Chill out..tower...

  • @wraithconscience
    @wraithconscience 10 місяців тому +2

    The aviation industry has got to put a stop to ATCs going into "SCOLD MODE". This is distracting, it wastes time and is dangerous. Moralizing and "getting your DIVA on" while people's lives are in danger is, yes, grounds for employment review. But this is not about individuals. It is about ATCs somehow having the wrong concept of why they are there and who is in charge. Pilots, their passengers and people on the ground are in danger. The ATC is not. Very wrong attitude on the part of the ATC! There should be NO attitude at all--ever! Sterile cockpit, STERILE TOWER. Get people to safety, discuss LATER! No exceptions!

  • @elijaha773
    @elijaha773 9 місяців тому +1

    California general aviation is a whole different beast! I've never heard of a flight school having it's own callsign.