You have one of the neatest shops I have ever seen. Everything is sitting on a packed dirt floor. Any issues with ants? I just a hobbyist machinist if that much, my career is welding/fabricating. I was a tube welder and a pipe welder among other things. You have to be a genius to keep up with you, your videos are great, and I will surely watch them several times to get all I can out of them. I only have a lathe to work with, wanted to find a milling machine but it's ridicules what some folks are asking for them. I thought about a shaper if you can find one in good shape that is. Seems to me that you could do a lot of machining with a shaper alone that is after you learn all the features and how to operate it. Anyway, thanks so much for sharing your skills and videos. Paul Greenlee
Best part... "I've never seen a video where they would read the manual..." ;) LOL Actually this whole video is awesome presentation of knowledge. Thank You very much form Finland!
i am waiting to make my fortune from You Tube so i can afford the roller doors that are going on all the way around.....but it might take a bit longer than i thought
Fantastic, I have some machines but the one I most admire is the planer, a simple machine and few are interested but it is very useful in small companies, greetings from Brazil 🇧🇷
It’s really awesome seeing different approaches to this problem! The solution I implemented was due to not having the gears of the pitch required, or a rack, or indexing head available. In practise we use the tensioned wire approach to drive our embroidery machine pantographs at high speed and they maintain 0.1mm positional accuracy day in, day out. The only other setup items required are a disc turned to PCD and a disk cut with index slots for the desired number of teeth. Worth a look in my channel if you are interested in that method, which also includes a build series in the playlist
I would have loved a camera angle along the direction of the tool movement and looking at the slot between two teeth being formed. What would also have been great: showing the motion where the table is cranked back to the starting position in the beginning, as this makes tangible the way the axes are coupled and how the motion is orchestrated. Very nice setup!
No I haven't watched the whole vid yet, but the greatest part of this setup is that the cutter is a rack form not involute, so it is perfect for generating any number of teeth. I want a shaper.
Except you can't index prime numbers with that indexer. With a modification like a lathe banjo and interchangable prime driven gears you could use it like a direct indexer.
This method of gear generation is how a Sunderland gear planer works, using a rack form cutter to generate a gear tooth form on a round work piece. Nice work!
Hi Neal. That's brilliant. So do you change the gears like on a lathe to obtain different pitches? I like the paper towel trick to hold the coolant. Love your airy workshop. Tony
i got a universal dividing head which comes with a selection of change gears and the idea was to make use of something i already had... actually you need more than you get with a dividing head but it is a good start and you can cheat a bit and use a gear which isn't quite right or you could use the tool to cut a gear by indexing for the number of teeth and do a plunge cut for every tooth....you change the gearing so that the gear you are cutting turns at the correct speed .....Geoffery Crocker does a good of explaining what is going on in his video
Nice to see your old shaper working. Mine is older, doesn't even have a clutch, you have to turn the motor on/off. The ways on mine are in similar shape to yours. I plan to scrape someday, but for now it gets the job done. Enjoy your videos.
I would think whatever change gears you choose it would need to be 1:1 between the rack and the cut gear. In the 48 tooth example I'm guessing you have a 48 tooth on the rack and two 60 tooth gears at the driving end. Or another way of thinking about it would be cut gear (48) + 60 tooth welded gear = # of teeth (108) required on the rack side. Am I missing something?
Always racing to see a shaper at work, I have a dedicated chair next to mine , costs me hours when I should be doing other stuff. Love the workshop ! Greets from wet,cold and un secure England .
it is risky but if you don't take risks in life you will still be taking baby steps and learning to walk....that doesn't mean i haven't landed flat on my face....plenty of times
This is fantastic, if you wouldn't mind could you do an in depth video of the gear cutting unit? How it was built? I love to build one for the baby Boxford, excellent video!
Awesome setup! I even love the oiling wick you have on your cutter. I tend to put the oil right on top of the tool as well and let it run down. But this is a much better idea
It's brilliant, elegant design, do I understand correctly that it is the pitch circle diameter that needs to rotate at exactly 1:1 with the table traverse? I also have a dirt floor workshop with no walls, mine has the disadvantage of being in Wales, so dirt sometime means mud. I have heard of something I think it's called 'concrete' which may improve things one day.
that is correct and if you have the right change gears that is the way you set it up but if you havn't you can cheat a little bit and make a gear with the right number of teeth (that can be done with the indexing bit of the device ) and a gear profile that is not quite right and then use that to cut your gear
Neal, I have a Värnamo SH-2 14" shaper. I've been thinking of making a gear cutter for mine. I like the rack driven design, most I've seen use a cable tangent to the pitch diameter. The video cut off right when you were describing the gearing. It appears you have 48 tooth on the rack and a couple 60 tooth gears opposite. Is that correct?
@@nealblackburn8628 Thanks for the quick response. I don't think it's possible to reply to the youtube email notifications. My email is rasmith at chehalisschools dot org.
Didn't get it, how You know when the gap cut is done and it's time to move to the next tooth. Rustinox recently showed his way of shaper cutting a tooth wheel. -didn't understand him either... Your foot ware is not very protective. Don't You chips and swarf in Your feet?
watch again and when it gets to 2.28 you will see me advance the indexing unite one tooth .... if you watch the Rustinox video you will notice he unscrews a little pointed bolt and moves it around one tooth on a gear he has attached to the shaft ...it is plain to see if you watch our videos completely ...but i don't know what your video quality is like
what happens is the cutting tool goes into the gear ( to be cut ) and then comes out ...when it comes out it is time to index to the next position.... But the tool doesn't actually move to achieve that ..the gear blank itself moves across and rotates under the tool to achieve that ...don't be lazy watch carefully and you will work it out@@Stefan_Boerjesson
If it is a 60 tooth gear being cut then i would think it needs to be a 60 tooth gear in mesh with the driving rack or a ratio train of gears that equate to the same.
thats right but you can cheat a bit if you don't have the correct racio because you are only cutting one tooth at a time so the error might be very small just the same way as gear cutters cover a number of different gears
_Hi Neal, I love to see "boot strap" engineering in which you generate an involute from a trapezoidal cutter!_ _How did you pre-slit the tooth spaces in your blank? Did you use the shaper with live advancement disengaged?_ _By the way, what was your module/DP and pressure angle on this job?_
you don' need to pre slit the tooth spaces, the indexing component makes sure the teeth are all properly spaced...i know the photography isn't the best and it is hard to see what is going on...i want to do another video to explain more but too busy at the moment ...its a 12 DP with 20 pressure angle
@@nealblackburn8628 _Thank you very much for your reply! I just discovered your channel this week. And I'm glad that UA-cam recommended it to me!_ _I incorrectly assumed that you would pre-slit to limit the amount of wear on the tool. But now I understand that the tool is able to perform the entire job._ _Your homemade indexer is the best one I have seen on UA-cam. I assume that the large tension spring eliminates backlash. Excellent work, Sir!_ 👍
the Geofery Crocker video on gear cutting does a good job of explaining what is going on ...in terms of generating the involute shape.... .have you seen that
@@nealblackburn8628 I imagine a trapezoidal tool engaging and disengaging the work just like as if a gear would engage a rack as it rolls over it, only the rack subtracts metal when diving into the gear blank. Is that about right?
Clearly you born yesterday, im not gonna explain why a shaper is still on use, just search the involute method for gear cutting, expand your mind a little bit! (Youre rigth with the "security shoes", but just that)
Amazing, never seen a shop like that. No walls, sand floors and flip flops on the feet. I bet the machines take a beating and get covered in sand.
Thongs mate... or maybe double pluggers not flip flops. Unless you're a seppo.
You now have another Aussie Subscriber. Love your work and you workshop Mate. John NSW.
You have one of the neatest shops I have ever seen. Everything is sitting on a packed dirt floor. Any issues with ants? I just a hobbyist machinist if that much, my career is welding/fabricating. I was a tube welder and a pipe welder among other things. You have to be a genius to keep up with you, your videos are great, and I will surely watch them several times to get all I can out of them. I only have a lathe to work with, wanted to find a milling machine but it's ridicules what some folks are asking for them. I thought about a shaper if you can find one in good shape that is. Seems to me that you could do a lot of machining with a shaper alone that is after you learn all the features and how to operate it. Anyway, thanks so much for sharing your skills and videos. Paul Greenlee
Best part... "I've never seen a video where they would read the manual..." ;) LOL Actually this whole video is awesome presentation of knowledge. Thank You very much form Finland!
thanks for listening carefully and the kind words in reply
@@nealblackburn8628 Neal is this your design / invention
@@goldcoasttime it's my design ..sort of...i know that something like this was done a 100 years ago but i haven't seen it
My favorite part is the sandals.
Best safety boots ever mate.
@@lauriecharles8854 I always go for the steel strap sandals, very safe.
Hmmmm...I'd go with the white coveralls.
I guess Im kinda randomly asking but does anyone know of a good place to watch new movies online ?
@Miller Declan I would suggest flixzone. Just google for it =)
Love your work mate! You wouldn’t be a marine engineer by chance?
Kindly show ur entire workshop n all machines ......
Good work Neal
Good idea
make more videos! very interesting! thx!!!
Your shop is a bit open to the elements. Do you have a way to cover the side wall to keep rain out of the shop ??? Thanks
i am waiting to make my fortune from You Tube so i can afford the roller doors that are going on all the way around.....but it might take a bit longer than i thought
@@nealblackburn8628 I totally understand Neal. Funds today are tight for us all these days. Hope you make your fortune Sir. Peace Vic
You're not at lightning ridge are you Neal?
Steel toe Jesus sandals
I have not seen an attachment for the shaper of this type in forty years. Nice job working on the gear.
Hi Neal, i'm a new subscriber. Very interesting setup on the shaper.
I hope we'll see more shaper videos.
PS; Nice safety shoes you have :-)
Fantastic, I have some machines but the one I most admire is the planer, a simple machine and few are interested but it is very useful in small companies, greetings from Brazil 🇧🇷
Beautiful design and workmanship. Thanks for sharing. (I knew I should never have sold my shaper, lol)
Same here!
It’s really awesome seeing different approaches to this problem! The solution I implemented was due to not having the gears of the pitch required, or a rack, or indexing head available. In practise we use the tensioned wire approach to drive our embroidery machine pantographs at high speed and they maintain 0.1mm positional accuracy day in, day out. The only other setup items required are a disc turned to PCD and a disk cut with index slots for the desired number of teeth. Worth a look in my channel if you are interested in that method, which also includes a build series in the playlist
i have seen your videos and it was just what i needed to kick start me into action ...thanks for the inspiration
@@nealblackburn8628 where in Oz are you mate?
@@JBFromOZ about 1 hour outer bris
I would have loved a camera angle along the direction of the tool movement and looking at the slot between two teeth being formed. What would also have been great: showing the motion where the table is cranked back to the starting position in the beginning, as this makes tangible the way the axes are coupled and how the motion is orchestrated.
Very nice setup!
Awesome Work. Greetings from Venezuela.
No I haven't watched the whole vid yet, but the greatest part of this setup is that the cutter is a rack form not involute, so it is perfect for generating any number of teeth. I want a shaper.
Except you can't index prime numbers with that indexer. With a modification like a lathe banjo and interchangable prime driven gears you could use it like a direct indexer.
This method of gear generation is how a Sunderland gear planer works, using a rack form cutter to generate a gear tooth form on a round work piece. Nice work!
Ace love these no bullshit shaper vids
Great work! I learned in an old dirt floored blacksmith shop, your workshop makes me miss it!
Great looking setup there.
Hi Neal. That's brilliant. So do you change the gears like on a lathe to obtain different pitches?
I like the paper towel trick to hold the coolant. Love your airy workshop. Tony
i got a universal dividing head which comes with a selection of change gears and the idea was to make use of something i already had... actually you need more than you get with a dividing head but it is a good start and you can cheat a bit and use a gear which isn't quite right or you could use the tool to cut a gear by indexing for the number of teeth and do a plunge cut for every tooth....you change the gearing so that the gear you are cutting turns at the correct speed .....Geoffery Crocker does a good of explaining what is going on in his video
if you got change gears from a lathe you could build it to use them ..i built it to use the change gears that i got with my dividing head
Nice to see your old shaper working. Mine is older, doesn't even have a clutch, you have to turn the motor on/off. The ways on mine are in similar shape to yours. I plan to scrape someday, but for now it gets the job done. Enjoy your videos.
I would think whatever change gears you choose it would need to be 1:1 between the rack and the cut gear. In the 48 tooth example I'm guessing you have a 48 tooth on the rack and two 60 tooth gears at the driving end. Or another way of thinking about it would be cut gear (48) + 60 tooth welded gear = # of teeth (108) required on the rack side. Am I missing something?
perfect حب العمل يساوي الإتقان bravo 👍
Just found your channel and Subscribed. Very nice project. Nice work
Always racing to see a shaper at work, I have a dedicated chair next to mine , costs me hours when I should be doing other stuff. Love the workshop ! Greets from wet,cold and un secure England .
An outdoor machine shop ? I don’t get it, seems kinda risky.
it is risky but if you don't take risks in life you will still be taking baby steps and learning to walk....that doesn't mean i haven't landed flat on my face....plenty of times
You’re right, I took risks and am flat on my face at present. Best of luck !
Allah100Allah
This is fantastic, if you wouldn't mind could you do an in depth video of the gear cutting unit? How it was built? I love to build one for the baby Boxford, excellent video!
i am going to do a video where i take it to pieces and explain all the parts and how you could make them .....too busy at the moment
@@nealblackburn8628 that's awesome, thank you very much for taking the time to make the video in the first place
Did you buy gear making device attachment or make yourself?
Awesome setup! I even love the oiling wick you have on your cutter. I tend to put the oil right on top of the tool as well and let it run down. But this is a much better idea
now that was very intresting son .
It's brilliant, elegant design, do I understand correctly that it is the pitch circle diameter that needs to rotate at exactly 1:1 with the table traverse?
I also have a dirt floor workshop with no walls, mine has the disadvantage of being in Wales, so dirt sometime means mud. I have heard of something I think it's called 'concrete' which may improve things one day.
that is correct and if you have the right change gears that is the way you set it up but if you havn't you can cheat a little bit and make a gear with the right number of teeth (that can be done with the indexing bit of the device ) and a gear profile that is not quite right and then use that to cut your gear
Smart solution!
Neal, I have a Värnamo SH-2 14" shaper. I've been thinking of making a gear cutter for mine. I like the rack driven design, most I've seen use a cable tangent to the pitch diameter. The video cut off right when you were describing the gearing. It appears you have 48 tooth on the rack and a couple 60 tooth gears opposite. Is that correct?
tried to reply to your email didn't send... the 48 is being cut.. the 60 is permanently welded to index housing .. the others i might tell you later
@@nealblackburn8628 Thanks for the quick response. I don't think it's possible to reply to the youtube email notifications. My email is rasmith at chehalisschools dot org.
I will figure out how he did that!!! Thanks for sharing.
The only real way to cut gears on a shaper that I've seen on youtube so far ;-)
Didn't get it, how You know when the gap cut is done and it's time to move to the next tooth.
Rustinox recently showed his way of shaper cutting a tooth wheel. -didn't understand him either...
Your foot ware is not very protective. Don't You chips and swarf in Your feet?
watch again and when it gets to 2.28 you will see me advance the indexing unite one tooth .... if you watch the Rustinox video you will notice he unscrews a little pointed bolt and moves it around one tooth on a gear he has attached to the shaft ...it is plain to see if you watch our videos completely ...but i don't know what your video quality is like
@@nealblackburn8628 I saw that but how do You know You've reached the point to stop cutting and advance the index?
what happens is the cutting tool goes into the gear ( to be cut ) and then comes out ...when it comes out it is time to index to the next position.... But the tool doesn't actually move to achieve that ..the gear blank itself moves across and rotates under the tool to achieve that ...don't be lazy watch carefully and you will work it out@@Stefan_Boerjesson
I like the precision ruler ... 🙄😂
other people sell t shirts and beer glasses ...i think i should sell precision rulers ...thanks for the tip
If it is a 60 tooth gear being cut then i would think it needs to be a 60 tooth gear in mesh with the driving rack or a ratio train of gears that equate to the same.
thats right but you can cheat a bit if you don't have the correct racio because you are only cutting one tooth at a time so the error might be very small just the same way as gear cutters cover a number of different gears
_Hi Neal, I love to see "boot strap" engineering in which you generate an involute from a trapezoidal cutter!_
_How did you pre-slit the tooth spaces in your blank? Did you use the shaper with live advancement disengaged?_
_By the way, what was your module/DP and pressure angle on this job?_
you don' need to pre slit the tooth spaces, the indexing component makes sure the teeth are all properly spaced...i know the photography isn't the best and it is hard to see what is going on...i want to do another video to explain more but too busy at the moment ...its a 12 DP with 20 pressure angle
@@nealblackburn8628 _Thank you very much for your reply! I just discovered your channel this week. And I'm glad that UA-cam recommended it to me!_
_I incorrectly assumed that you would pre-slit to limit the amount of wear on the tool. But now I understand that the tool is able to perform the entire job._
_Your homemade indexer is the best one I have seen on UA-cam. I assume that the large tension spring eliminates backlash. Excellent work, Sir!_ 👍
You made that!.....Amazing!
good video
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Love It ! Thank you
суров !!!1
Belle le infradito antinfortunistiche!
Brilliant
How did you make the blue thing? I would like to see that. Especially the indexing part.
i hope to do another video and explain how it was built ...too busy at the moment
I’d love to see it also. Fascinating and brilliant !!
Amazing... I'm highly into watching that tool
so it starts off cutting at a tangent and then the rotation brings the gear into the verticle pane of the cutter ?
the Geofery Crocker video on gear cutting does a good job of explaining what is going on ...in terms of generating the involute shape.... .have you seen that
@@nealblackburn8628 I imagine a trapezoidal tool engaging and disengaging the work just like as if a gear would engage a rack as it rolls over it, only the rack subtracts metal when diving into the gear blank. Is that about right?
@@JohnDoe-ce2wl ....the rack idea is right but just imagine only one tooth can cut
Pravoooooo prof
The ol´good involute method! If a "modern" machinist wonders how this works, his brain will explode!
Please put some safety shoes on!
First of all I like the safety shoes, secondly that gadget is too complicated its much faster and easier on the milling!!!!!!!
Clearly you born yesterday, im not gonna explain why a shaper is still on use, just search the involute method for gear cutting, expand your mind a little bit! (Youre rigth with the "security shoes", but just that)
This is faster rather than milling and more accurately
Perfect involute
How to setting for cutting helical gear. Vedio please
@@mohamedsakr5570 Keep on dreaming my friend:-))