Worth the wait and $? Busse Hell Razor 2 unsheathing
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I like that Busse!
But to be honest Jacob, I was distracted with that RMK 16SP #1 Fighter!
Understandably!
My honest opinion is if it’s that kind of price range with a crappy edge I kind of look the other way. I just did that recently with a Winkler knife and sent it back. Part of the price for that kind of knife is fit and finish. If it’s not sharp or a garbage edge then to me that’s kind of a lack of fit and finish which is what you’d expect if you were paying for that kind of knife.
Haven’t seen handle pins like that before. I like them
Me too!
They should come sharp.
I recently bought a Kershaw bottle opener that was on sale at Tractor Supply for maybe twenty bucks. The bottle opener also has a hollow ground blade which came razor sharp out of the blister pack. I could have shaved my beard off with it just fine.
I don't outright condemn a brand or maker for not sharpening their product well, if the knife is good and correct in other regards. All the same it speaks to a certain complacency, perhaps along the lines of "either the customer is a collector who will only display the knife, or they are a serious user that should know how to sharpen. So either way I can gloss over the sharpening part."
If the knife costs hundreds of dollars and is "use-oriented" then it really ought to have a good edge on it. Form following function, the edge that looks better will work better.
The knife is sharp- it's just not pretty.
But yes, I would think that step 1 before anything else would be edges. Knives cut, nice knives should have nice edges.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors prettier cuts better, by my lights ;)
Couldn't agree more! 😄👍🇦🇺
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoorsfully agree! 😄👍🇦🇺
No polished edge … very ruff !
I do own a Busse HOGB8 and love it . BUT ….. I had to redo the edge .
The lack of a decent sheath included with the knife has always pissed me off about Busse. A rudimentary sheath beside the cardboard sleeve should be included in the price. That said, I still love every single one of mine with a passion.
How many pistols come with sheaths? Why do knives need to. They are knife makers, not leather workers.
@@lyman135 Nowadays quite a few pistols come as complete systems with multiple extra mags, holsters, etc. Now, as far as knives go, if a sub $100.00 knife comes with a rudimentary sheath, and sometimes with an excellent Kydex or other form of plastic/leather or whatnot sheath, why does a $500.00 knife come with nothing? That my friend is the rub. Your knife is essentially rendered useless until you provide a sheath for it from a third party. Unacceptable, at that price point. This practice is generally NOT an industry standard. Some other makers will do it sure (they are also wrong), but almost all high-end makers provide a sheath, period.
You do know that when you add the knife to your cart there is an option for like $30-35 to add a DannyTheBull leather sheath that fits the knife either black or brown in most knives they sell right??? I have added the sheath with every one I've ordered except for maybe one custom shop order and I am very pleased with them...
@@kevinAuman1 YES, I am well aware of that. The point remains the sheath should be included. Not a hard concept.
Im looking at them too .. i have the money to blow i figured id jump on one
Definitely take that coating off. I hate that stuff.
It'll definitely come off. 💪🏻
I think I'll leave it in the top fuller though
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors Yes definitely
Stripping it will make it considerably better. The coatings are fairly durable but i just dont like their rhino ling like coating as they create too much drag. sometimes you get a newb that doesnt put a good edge on. But it shouldnt be hard to put a good one on. Though i agree you definitely shouldn't have to at that price.
I keep going back and forth on how much I care about the edge.
If it performs well should I care?
It's actually worse in better light than shown here.
Or for the money should I expect a better and more consistent edge regardless of how it does or doesn't work?
Ultimately performance will tell which way I go but even if I am 100% satisfied with performance I still think that AT ANY PRICE we should expect better micro bevels. Bear Forest Knives or Very Good Knife Co are selling full customs at extremely competitive prices with esthetically better edges.
I don't expect perfection however...
So I keep going back and forth haha
@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors I'm the same way, when i get a knife i pretty much expect I'm going to put a new one on. And you definitely shouldn't have to at that price. But what works works.. so i tend to just say screw it because i also dont mind putting a new edge. But not everyone does like to or even has the
Means to do so.
I like the colors you chose. Stripping it with the scales on is a chore.
I'll leave the coating everywhere but the blade itself.
We've had hallmarks of quality for centuries. One was if the knife had three rivets . We all know perfect doesn't exist. That doesnt stop people wanting to underpay or buy a custom for $20 that is FLAWLESS ASF.
Thinking about this: marketing to these people is one ball of wax. Another concept is I bought a production knife at a brick & mortar yesterday. I got to hold it to see if it works for my hand. I trusted it was the alloy it said it was, i trusted the thermal cycles were optimal. I feel the cost was the steel, not the whole knife, sheath and overhead of running a retail front. I got to try it and then did not run to buy it for less online. It was an injection molded handle scales on suppossedly an expensive to buy, make and harden alloy with a thermoform sheath. The design was not large sharpened prybar so that peaked my interest. I thought up that ill only EDC this for a year so i really know it and can use it in my best skill.
What im saying is, without the pain of expectations and being enslaved by my money being more hard won going to a company owned by men/ family that is affluent and disregards how hard won and more valuable (rarer) than it is to them I can take the actual one i now have and if i choose, ignore shortcomings and enjoy it not boil myself alive because i "was tempted" and overpayed. I dont feel stingy and im not the guy who won't pay over $50 for any knife or laugh at people who buy several knives over a $100. Im just saying that this time, im not in it for over $200 and it is spoken of well so ill not feel about the transaction and return on investment like i would a Bark River knives model. Through all that i might have a helluva better experience and get more joy this time. Its a different knife and a different avenue to enjoying my knife enthusiast hobby. We all tell ourselves different things and can be msnipulated by marketing. I pray for more freedom for ourselves than prosperity for big brands if its a choice between one or the other.
I have 2 Busse HR2’s. Both competition finish so no coating. They are the only Busse’s I own. They both came sharp as hell and bevels were what I consider very well done but I’m not much of a looks guy. I use both of mine. I’ve used both pretty hard and not had so much as chip or roll.
Easy to resharpen?
@@adods9824 yes very easy
Thanks !@@jdm8577
I wonder how the knife looks under that coating lol
Me too!
Just got one down under! Very rare and $$$ ($1k), worth it!! 😄👍🇦🇺
@@adods9824 that blade is a long way from home! Enjoy!
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoorsthanks US dude. The Busse monster is in the centre bottom of Australia now !! To the left of Melbourne.
I wanted a Busse since the first second I saw Daryl Dixon stab a TGULB, or TGLB into a log. Sold!
But, not being a fan boy of him, the show The Walking Dead, or Busse, I waited to find MY Busse style.
Found, bought, and sheathed by Ramos Custom Leather NJ ..USA...thanks Freddie!
One week's wage all up...well spent!
YOLO !
😄👍🤘🇦🇺
@@adods9824 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
I don’t buy 400 dollar knives but I don’t mind sharpening a new knife.
The knife is sharp- it's just not pretty. Fixing that would not be a sharpening so much as a reprofiling which is a bit more labor intensive.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors I’m not qualified to reprofile!:)
@@jeffhuntley2921 haha without a guided system neither am i!
I have the exact same knife. I had it one day before I began to thin it out behind the edge and lower the edge angle. Was too thick for my liking. Better now. I don’t like it when knives come with the edge angle of an axe.
400$ holy moly!!!
I just got one in Australia...$1k..super rare!! 😄👍🇦🇺
I see a lot of people thin out the bottom edge bevel/ (grind before the 2 hollow grooves) on these Hell Razor 2's. So I assume they still not have the best cutting geometry
With stripping I think it will be appropriate for it's intended task I think.
It looks to be well engineered, even if I dont particularly care for the INFI. But 400 is a lot for a "working blade" with questionable bevels and no sheath. I love their knives but I feel I could do better for the price.
What do you have against infi
@@ShoahBiz I don't have anything against it brother, there are just plenty other products I'd rather spend the money on. The steel itself seems to be well proven but it's exclusively a Busse product. It's not used by any of the smaller artisan companies I choose to go to on the rare occasion I can drop that kind of money and get something more suited to me. I have nothing against Busse, I think they make excellent knives. I just have different preferences than you.
@@jimbusmaximus4624 understandable. I don’t own a busse and probably never will I was just curious about the steel. I heard it’s probably about the same as a8 mod but I’m not sure.
@@jimbusmaximus4624 I also like supporting smaller custom makers. Seedy lot is my favorite and I’ve got something in magnacut from him in the works so I’m super stoked. Also have something in a8mod in the works as well which is why I really asked about the infi steel
@@ShoahBiztrue!
I am very interested to see if the lines in the blade make a difference or create weakness like the operator 7. It may take a Joe X review to tell that though.😂
There are no square edges whatsoever so I think we won't have any design flaws like the OP7 has.
Joe X could certainly kill this thing but I don't think I'll be able to in the woods.
The fuller edges appear to have a proper fillet. They're not as chamfered as I'd like to see but it appears to me some pretty decent engineering went into this one. We shall see!
Looks like it needs leather stropped. The coating looks pretty thick and rough from here, so not my favorite just from looking at it on a computer screen. I like the general overall look of the knife, however.
It doesnt come with a sheath??
Itd be a no from me based on price slso
It does not
Can get one at time of purchase..another $35 bux !
Did you ever get that handle on the randall fixed? I know the shoelace was just so comfortable lol
YES!!! It's high on my to do list coming up! Man getting that back was a nightmare! And what I thought would be done was not. 🤷♂️
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors Yeah, I was surprised when you told me you sent it to that knife company up north. I didn't have high hopes to be honest. Wished it turned out better still though.
Hiw much in the US pls? I just bought one in Australia for $900.... competition finish . . Super rare here!!! 😄👍🇦🇺
@adods9824 this was just over $400 I believe, but it was a good bit more expensive on competition finish.
I’ve been using Busse knives for over a decade, always been happy with mine.
I would be interested in the BTE thickness on this. From what I understand they ship fairly thick from the factory because you can always remove material but can’t put it back, if you want a thicker edge. Is that true or an excuse, I’m not sure.
Regardless, cool knife.
So in saying that you can make an edge thinner but not thicker- it is true but not the way I would like it to be true.
You can bring the bevel up thinning out your effective bte- but your primary grind is still thicker higher bte and you still have higher friction when slicing.
This knife with powercoat comes in at about .050 bte which isn't horrible- I'm guessing dropping the coating would bring us to .040 or .035.
So far based on my testing I would say that it needs this coating stripped badly.
I never thought about that! I know in the 1800's they'd ship knives un sharpened in barrels and even without handles attached and that gives the end user more latitude. In THOSE terms its cool. DBK says always sharpen and put your own edge on when you first get a knife. VirtuoVice puts his own on before taking it to the outdoors. It's a solid plan.
Dude! Sweet Randall!
Thanks!
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors You might already know about this but Randall knives does a "stock sale" once, sometimes twice a year where they sell off knives that are finished and available that people either didn't pay for or other circumstances occurred during the waiting period. Instead of waiting 4to 5 years they ship in a month. No mark up. Regular prices. 2 knives per customer. Call them and they will give you the exact date.
Wow that's cool!
I don't think I'll grab another- I'll review this one and the review will likely go to failure to see when it comes to practicality what it is and is not made of.
That color and texture... In right lighting at glance it can be mistaken as old rusted knife w shiny fresh edge 🤣. Want world class edge out of box? MORAKNIV got u! (For stooopid cheeeep too!)
My wife said the same thing about the rust- which I love.
Mora's certainly do come with a well finished edge. Of course that's a lot easier to do in their entirely robot driven factory on thin easy to grind stock. Robotic edge, every time.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors no its the bevel angle. The Scandi grind that's part of the design. Handmade knife can have Scandia grind that edge is just lazy excuse of edge. Handmade knife w Scandia grind requires maker to not be
S H I T
@TrollinCrazyRussian yes a good scandi Grind does require skill from a custom maker-
But it doesn't require skill from Mora's machines, and this knife isn't scandi ground so I'm not sure why that's relevant 🤷♂️
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors You want better edge? Scandi grind is relevant it give you better angle of the blade as it approach to the edge. You have less wedging effect of friction of mass that you just cut past pressing against the area of blade just past of the edge. That busses knife has alot of points for wood to bite when batoning the blood groove and the pair of friction reducer grooves on each side. There's no way that knife baton better than say SS mora garberg? I don't own one but jeeze. Mora blade are slick.
@TrollinCrazyRussian a true scandi grind is the weakest of all grinds-
A scandi that is obtuse enough to be tough sucks.
I have plenty of scandi ground knives that I love for their purpose but a scandi on this knife would be silly.
The garberg would not baton 1/10 as well as this blade, I guarantee it 100%
What do you think of Toors knives?
No first hand experience
Thanks bud
over 400 Dollars
OK, as a knife expert, can you tell us why we should pay this price?
what makes it so special and unique?
I'm not here to tell you why you SHOULD buy anything- that is the companies job.
In fact, I wouldn't tell you whether you should or shouldn't buy the knife until it's been used about a year, otherwise I could just be leading people astray.
The reason for the cost undoubtedly is the machining- these bevels are expensive to have produced which is why you see them so rarely- mixed with an uncommon steel and the cost of doing business in the US with a product with so many custom options produced in such low quantities with high demand and you get a high cost.
Not worth the money. After having watched your channel, you have taught us to appreciate quality whether high end , in between or budget.
Buses is taking advantage now and going on their name. Thi s is the2nd show I’ve seen where com0aints were raised about fit and finish.
Send it back. Your work horse is better do an updated review with the workhorse.
Fun stuff go cut down a tree your quality is better.
BROTHERRR!!! Send that sucker my way and let me put a good edge on it PLEEEASE!!! Lol-ol-ol I can certainly make this knife one hell of a performer for ya, of all the knives I own I have never really been satisfied with any factory edge other than maybe a few Spydies and Bark Rivers but I have also had more bad than good from those companies as well.... Go give'r a swing and play around with it a bit, try n cut a nail if you want even then put err in a box and slap my address on it I promise when I am not sick I can get the return times much-much lower for ya lol
Hahahahaha I think I'll take you up on that after I strip it. I'm sure it'll be a game changer!
Nope ....no way ...nadda.
When I bought my Benchmade 162 Bushcrafter, it was all screwed up . I should have sent it back and bought an Lt Wright. I kick myself still to this day cause many brands get away with bad quality control cause we don't complain.
Honestly, it's a bit annoying when I can buy a Chinese $24 knife with a perfect plunge line and straight handle . Yet I buy a usa made $220 knife and it looks like a drunk monkey built it. I'll never buy another Benchmade , I bought mine before their political crap happend ...It's their crappy sheath and messed up products that lost me as a future customer.
An edge can be fixed but dang $400 !! That edge should be wicked clean screaming sharp, that's the most important part next to a comfortable handle.
I'll never pay that much on a knife especially without a sheath . But everyone has a limit on price, I don't care what people do with their money .
It’s a nice knife but not up to the hype and is overpriced imo.
Personally i can't imagine paying $400+ for a knife with no sheath.
This to me is like the guys that dive a jaguar. While my chevy is better in every way.
Knives are not hard to make.
All i see is brand and Marketing.
I can understand not paying this much for this knife-
However if knives weren't hard to make and you were the only guy to figure it out you could be making this knife and undercutting busse.
You would be a millionaire in no time.
Pokey 😅 over dressed 😅
looks very stabby!