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Didn't expect to see a wizard duel be mentioned today, but I'm always excited to learn something new! 😄
Imagine being some delivery man who walked in on the fight
Hey! I love the show, I've been watching since the Late Bronze Age Collapse!
However...
It's Crowley like Holy,
Not Crowley like fouly.
I'll try to remember to find you a source on that. I've found it before, but don't recall exactly where.
Anime before tv's where invented fr fr xD
“I summon…Polymorph of the Arcane Goddess!”
“I summon Just Kick the Fucker.”
Out of mana but not out of options.
In other words, W.B. Yates did a Rider Kick on Alaster Crowley
I CAST FIST!!! - Marneus Calgar
@@snarst "I CAST THUNDER SPELL!" - Sophist
I cast Glock- Silver Loaded!
The wizard battle made me think of kids on a playground playing Naruto
"Nuh-uh. I totally hit you."
I think the writer of the manga knew about that and decided to make a whole manga and anime based off of it
I was thinking of Cartman's battle with the phony psychics.
Shun-un-un-un-un
The power of God AND anime on their side, AGHHHHHHHH
Two adults shouting magic curses and hand gestures at each other is a very funny image 😂
Laudenum is a hell of a Victorian drug 😂
I thought that's what people did in courts.
@@actdimensionsah, yes. If Law was a school of magic in DnD then you could have Law Lawson's Law School of Law Magic. The tuition is high, so they say, but they provide all the material components. One must bring their own semantic and verbal components, however.
reminds me of that south park episode with the psychics
Christianity 😨
It's good to see larping was alive in the 1900s
There’s always a couple of guys that take it too far. 🤔 Didn’t realize that this was a tradition.
My thought exactly. These are the D and D and Magic the Gathering nerds I went to high school with, except they lived 100 years ago and became famous.
And What If is precisely through magick that he is alive.... Maybe EVEN TODAY
@@michaelgj23if DnD, Magic yhe Gathering or LARP had been around for longer these guys would probably just have done that instead.
It’s far from larping. Once you start learning about the occult you start being able to recognize why things are the way they are. The most powerful people in the world are all in these secret societies for a reason. But yeah sure.. it’s larping lol
Crowley actually originated the 'k' in 'magick', to distinguish it from stage magic.
It's just the British/commonwealth spelling
Yeah magick is mostly used in witchy circles to describe the act itself e.g kitchen magick, elemental magick ect.
Some think it's just the British way but nah the generalised version is magic
Funny enough most circles these days don't even use the term 'magic' using either spelling, favoring other, less ambiguous, terms of art instead.
@@lucidnonsense942 not according to Oxford's English Dictionary; it most likely became the more common popular spelling because Crowley was both British and a very well known public figure.
I heard a scholar say that Crowley just couldn't spell very well .
Somewhere in his grave, Yeats' Corpse screamed in rage in the 80's when Crowley got the ultimate victory by being the subject of one of Ozzy Osbourne's best songs.
Which one? "One of Ozzy's best" doesn't narrow it down
@@Attaxalotlseems like it was just one that was literally named Mr Crowley, which I've never heard of in my entire life but now I kind of want to listen to that song
If it's any consolation, Yeats gets a mention in a song by The Smiths.
MIiiiiiister Crowley~~~ *bam bam bam~~~*
Which I'm totally listening too after I finish this episode.
Just the image of two grown dumbasses throwing gang signs at each other makes me glad I was born after TV was invented😂😂😂
I mean gangsters throw gang signs at each other to this day
@@internetperson3436
Don't forget the homeless transients and vagrants.
They also throw gang signs to scare off other transients and vagrants.
@@internetperson3436 they do but then the guns also show up...
@@mehunlanghynniewta4748 thats the ultimate power, human technology
I mean it is silly looking but so is prayer so to each their own.
Sounds like bunch of adults playing Dungeons & Dragons. This would be a hilarious scene in an Aleister Crowley movie!
I cast Magick Missile at the darkness!
And Crowley was using a lot of heroin and cocaine, so consider that at least Crowley (and probably many of the others) were high as kites and stoned as bedrock during this "battle".
It must have been quite the sight!
@@J.D-g8.1 Cranked up on drugs and trying to do magick? That bunch must have put on quite a show! Imagine being the cop who had to write up that arrest report!
@@jasonblalock4429 Magick Missile? Good move! Heck, the whole messed up incident could inspire a role-playing game.
@@jasonblalock4429 “Where are the Cheetos!?”
Yeats is a major historical figure and literary hero amongst the Irish, accredited for some of the greatest literary works from our island. Its crazy to think he was once a wizard and defeated the most evil man in England with a well placed kick. Poetic, you might say!
Not crazy at all. For my money, he was more of a magician than the rest of those clowns put together, accomplishing great changes in accordance with his will. (“Did that play of mine send out/Certain men the English shot?”)
When barbarian attempts stealth as a wizard.
"I cast boot!" *spartan kick*
Hahahaha😂
All I am thinking of is the South Park episode where Cartman becomes a psychic and gets into a battle with a bunch of other psychics.
Exactly what went through my mind. I couldn’t stop laughing 😂
DO YOU SEE
@@typacsk
I see...ice cream, and sprinkles, and Quadruple-Stuffs!
The intro sounds like the beginning to a fantasy novel. The fact that these are real people from 200 years ago doing spells like they are in middle school makes it funny.
Two hundredyears ago? This was 124 years ago and its possible that things like this might still be happening around the world to this day, we just don't know about them.
I know this still happens in Indonesia, and several Asian and African countries.
They still kinda big in the whole "Imaginary" Spiritual thingy.
On second thoughts, the whole world still do this, just with a more "widely acceptable" text, like Bible and stuff.
They congregate and "Pray" away, sickness, Diseases, Plagues etc, and Covid19 Came and everything backfired, those who Congregate become Epicenter of Plagues(they have always been, but this one is recent and better recorded).
Yeah, it reminds of being a kid in the 2000s and playing Harry Potter- the Major Difference is that even as a child, I knew it was just a game.
@@rennor3498Lol it happens all the time and its not even hidden at all. Crowley’s OTO are still around thought theyre more of a fraternity now. Austin Osman Spare who was friends with Crowley and founding member of the OTO is one of the founders of chaos magick, which is probably the most popular branch. John Dee who was mentioned in the video created Enochian magic, which itself is a part of the bigger Abrahamic mysticism alongside kabblah and Solomonic stuff
Pre-comic con society was rough on fantasy nerds
This is like something out of Venture Brothers, i just imagine them shouting FIREBALL to one another
It was mostly random hebrew or latin
The more things change, the more they stay the same
Go team Venture!
Aleister Crowley was actually one of the original members of the Guild before it was the Guild of Calamitous Intent
@@georgesears2916 You used to be all "Go Team Venture!" but now you're all...g-g-go team...b-b-BOOBIES!
*Crowley-* "With this treasure, I do summon!"
*Imperator-* "Boot to the head!"
Crowley, you fail to grasp Tai Kwon Leep. Approach that you might see.
And another for Jenny and the Wimp
@@aaronman4772 I see another Frantics/4-on-the-Floor fan.
Is it bad that that first dialog option immediately made me think of Jujutsu Kaisen?
Those 2 would have LOVED Magic: the Gathering
or maybe they would have loved role playing games like d&d.
unfortunately its inception was still more than half a century away at their time.
Honestly MtG is probably a bit too mathy for either of them. They would likely have loved the *concept* however.
@@remixtheidiot5771probably would've made some banger campaigns.
In a way, they're kind of responsible for DnD, MtG and the like.
They wouldn’t just love MtG. They’d write a whole book about how the Ancient Egyptians used MtG as their spellcasting system.
Oh, how it would have looked like to unaffiliated person watching the battle...
Someone could have made a killing by selling popcorn and refreshments.
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They're a bunch of D&D Wizards: 18 in Intelligence, like 3 in Wisdom, and a single, lonely point in Constitution.
This duel has very strong "I HAVE THE POWER OF GOD AND ANIME ON MY SIDE" vibes
"I CAST FIST!" -- Yeats
*KICK
I don’t know, Crowley might have been into that
"Now, get out of here!" I, Allister Crowley, can't feel my teeth... (wubwubwub)"
Taking a dagger to a wizard fight is just so British .
What occult wizard doesn't have a ritual dagger on hand? And if you know you're full of bunk because magic is just a neat fiction you're selling, it pays to have something you can actually rely on.
@@bthsr7113yeah, wizards get proficiency in daggers, darts, slings, quaterstaffs, and light crossbows.
As soon as you mentioned Crowley storming in, I knew.
Best exorcism spell is "kick down the stairs" and best warding spell is "change the damn locks"
Yeats defeated Crowley not with Occult spells, but with the esoteric knowledge of Ti Kwan Leep: Boot to the Head!
In his defense, he wasn't ready. He wasn't allowed the appropriate time to learn the lessons of Ed Grubberman.
Never thought I'd see a Frantics reference in the wild!
@@meatharbor But he should have been familiar with the most important lesson: Always get in the first shot.
Yeats didn't defeat A.C there was no fight or hocus pocus , he went to talk to him Yeats and friends refused to listen A.C left and let the order die
If you did as accurate a movie as possible about Crowley, it would be called completely unbelievable.
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The fundamentalists would freak out
@@seanemery1917 Many of them will freak out at the mention of his name, even outside of any of his context. About 17 or 18 years ago I was banned from a TTRPG mailing list for daring to use his "do what thou wilt" as a way to explain GM fiat because of a fundie leaning faction of the group.
Mind, many of them just know of him as 'a satanist'.
they probably wouldn't even be able to mention the fact that his main financial backer in the US was the father of modern rocketry who ended up trying to summon the antichrist with the founder of scientology
They'd have to break the fourth wall nearly every five minutes to tell people "We're not kidding, this is exactly what happened"
Cinema Sins still makes an hour long video about how unrealistic it is.
"It seems our incantations are too much against his mystic might. You know who are great at fighting mages ? Warrior monks, I CAST KICK !!"
Aliester Crowley had always been my favorite mysterious figure. I am so glad you guys finally mentioned and told story of him at last.
He's a weirdo and even people who practice Thelema tend to find him a bad person
@@excessiveone9952 I acknowledge his weirdo. His lewd public gestures and his ridiculous orgy parties in his property in Italy. Not to mention his catastrophic mountain expeditions too. Then among his more curious claims of him being a spy on behalf of Britain and many more. I'll agree being weird and even awful, yet it does make him even more interesting figure.
@tompegorinno5141 true that, I'm no thelemite but I do find it a wonderful faith
@@excessiveone9952 I only read parts of what Thelema is about. Only thing I understood is do what thou will which often means do what you ought to/destined to. His adventure topics was something that I was more invested on reading upon. Thanks for allowing me with this discourse with you :D
Crowley was a fascinating and really brilliant figure. Don’t believe everything you read on the internet. Read his work yourself and look into a few of the biographies if you’re interested in the man.
I assume Yeats and the others justified their "spellcasting" having to effect on Crowley by assuming he must have bee protected by powerful enchantments that rendered their spells useless. Fortunately for them, as Terry Pratchett has taught us, magic resistance does nothing against half a brick in a sock, or in this case boot to the face.
I absolutely thought of Rincewind making weird faces and hand gestures before kicking the opponent in the balls while watching this!
Yup, Terry Prachett was onto something there. XD
So, the great wizard-duel of the age ended like a sketch from The Frantics.
"I cast my ultimate spell... BOOT TO THE HEAD!"
I mean it sounds a little sketchy but MacGregor going up and saying "Yeah there's gonna be an apocalyptic war near."and he said this before WWI and WWII
Not really. Europe was a powder keg, WW1 was Only A Matter Of Time and plenty of contemporary people knew it or at least felt it in their bones.
Bismarck called it in 1888, 26 years before the start of WWI, adding “some damned foolish thing in the Balkans will set it off”
@@trr94001 Pretty much. MacGregor was just stating the obvious and packaging it in a way to make it seem profound.
Fun fact, Crowley was the inspiration for Perturabo from WH40K, and his home planet is named Olympia because the headquarters of the Golden Dawn was in the Olympia district in London
Now that's interesting!
Complete with inferiority complex and jealousy issues.
(I would have thought Magnus or Lorgar would be Crowley but this makes sense too.)
@slayer0235 eh, both Magnus and Lorgar actually accomplish things unlike Crawley. And if anything suffer from hubris of pride rather than inferiority complexes.
Finally an explanation on why he's the pettiest man alive!
Perturabo was one of the many, many, many names that Crowley made for himself through his years of studying magik and the occult.
Please do the Greek war of independence of 1821 against the ottoman empire next
I've been asking for this since the first episodes of the sengoku Jidai!!
Here here
They don’t care unless you’re a patron.
@@ferretyluv nobody asked
@@Thecrimsonking01 OP did.
@@ferretyluv *no body asked you
0:33 polenareff vs Dio moment
Crowley used Psybeam! But nothing happened.
Yeats used Low Kick! It’s super effective!
Alistair & William: We are wizards.
Everyone else:🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The irony is to think Crowley was known as the wickedest man in the world, so some people were probably terrified of that dork edge lord.
YALL GET IN HERE 🗣️ THERES A NERD FIGHT GOING ON 🤓🥊
Ah yes, the Reigen special "Anti-Esper Kick" technique. Always works, no exceptions.
And the endless classic of "Weight of thr book" where one summons blue agents and uses this "Anti-illicit book" agaisnt their opponents.
Oh my god, a century later these dorks would DEFINITELY be trying to use ninja hand seals and ki shouts at each other.
As a huge fan of the "A Certain Magical Index" franchise, this episode makes me happy... *Floats upside down in a tube mysteriously*
It is IMMENSELY funny to me that these two just advanced on each other making funny hand signals and chantings at one another until one of them just kicked Crowley in the face and that was that
Plot twist they where all just roleplaying
LIGHTNING BOLT!! LIGHTNING BOLT!!
there's some recordings on UA-cam of Yeats changing his poetry. I highly recommend listening to it after this
That magick duel, basically just summed up a game of MTG
TBH, the very idea of Yeats giving somebody more than a tongue-lashing is hilarious!
I have never thought of Victorian era as a golden age. I have always thought of it as insanity, sickness, disease, and unhygienic
Agreed. I do think it was a golden age for literature written in English*, but that's a pretty specific category.
* includes American, Irish and Canadian authors, Joseph Conrad, Rabindranath Tagore, Sarojini Naidu if you stretch the chronology a little...
It was a golden age of British culture, wealth, literature, science, and technology for the middle and upper classes. Compared to previous eras, more wealth had spread around and upward mobility was never easier. The empire was at its height, the world was smaller than ever before thanks to steamships and trains. Archeology was born. People started to believe in preserving our patrimony. While the beginning of the Victorian age was filthy, it was during that same Victorian age that London developed a new sewer system that’s still in use today. It was in the Victorian era that epidemiology was born to control cholera, smallpox vaccines were developed, and running water brought to the masses.
Now, if you were working class or a child, life sucked. If you thought about the environment, it was awful (as it was in every industrialized nation). But on the whole, Britain was at its zenith.
Crowley's own secret society, the Ordo Templi Orientis, still exists to this day.
kinda sorta maybe. as an ex-COTO member I honestly don't feel its doing much of anything. I'm with Robert Anton Wilson on this one: every man, woman and non-gender conforming person (who Wills so) is both a Pope and the Outer Head of The Order. He tells the story in the video Religion For The Hell of It at the very end about how Discordian members of the Order sent him and 40 or so others Pope Cards modified to say the bearer is the OHO, Wilson being one of the people who received the card, and RAW being RAW and Discordians being Discordians there are now several thousand people (myself included) who declare ourselves the OHO. Breeze and Gunther are elitist dogmatic fools... I cannot believe they let Wasserman act as he did nor that they let Wasserman (probably told him to do it) declare that only Gunther's AA would be the one true AA with all other lineages being declared wrong. You can find that on YT in his video In The Centre of The Fire.
Aleister Crowley is featured in the anime/novel - A Certain Magical Index which is awesome btw. 😊
Man, this really takes me back to the days of my friends and I naruto running through the shopping mall casting jutsus at each other as we battled to become Hokage of our hidden village.
Go sit in the corner.
Go sit in the corner and be ashamed at what you just typed.
@@brianb8003 Being ashamed wouldn't be very Crowley of me, would it?
Mr. Crowley
What went on in your head?
Oh, Mr. Crowley
Did you talk to the dead?
Beat me to it 🥷
What went on in his head? Mr. Yeats' boot, apparently.
Your lifestyle to me seemed so tragic
With the thrill of it all
You fooled all the people with magic
Yeah, you waited on satan's call...
I had always thought that things was done faster when you used the word "Quick". Now i understand why. It's truely a magickal word.
Didn't know Yeats was also a master of Ti Kwan Leep
I love that this story just feels like fandom drama
"I call for the ancient mystical force that can stop you: the police force!"😂
Aleister Crowley must be the ancestor of the kid who yelled "Don't f*ck with me ! I've got the power of God and anime at my side !"
"AAAAAAH"
So they basically threw up gang signs
"I HAVE THE POWER OF GOD AND ANIME ON MY SIDE'
-Crowley, probably
0:53 Why am i getting Yu-Gio vibes..
Look at the Victorians LARP and they say millennials never grew up.
I'm a minor practitioner witch, but the mental image of two grown ass men flinging 'curses' at each other is utterly hilarious to me. It must have looked like a bunch of live action role players getting a little too into character. 🤣🤣🤣
even if it sounds ridicolous because it's not something usual to see, compared to the (fake) seriousness of adults, I found the image of two cursing each other pretty violent. I have huge respect of magic practitionists, but seeing magic used in such cases really fuel the stereotype of "witches who want to hurt people"
@@timeless_dusk It is a continuously harmful stereotype.
In thr end we all learned something important, that kicking someone down the stairs is one of the most powerfull spells in existance
@@supergowiak4369 ok...?
@@timeless_duskWomp womp
The new thumbnail is PERFECT! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Uncle Al was an interesting character. He was a frail child and took up took up rock climbing to build muscle and help his breathing, his books on rock climbing are still useful today.
Top tier schizophrenia
Or the ability to sway others, and surround yourself with those who won't tell you "no."
Man of all the reasons they could have told Crowley to f*k off they picked the one that I would never agree with.
“Strange things are afoot at the circle k.”
I love the irony of secret societies being so popular nowadays lol
The Wizard Battle reminded me of the Psychic Detective Battle from South Park.
3:30
Huh, so I wasn't *too* far-off when I thought that the next episode (or two) will mention the Freemasons.
I mean... they're Masons, of course they're experts in building pyramidal structures.
"Mr. Crowley
What went on in your head?
Oh, Mr. Crowley
Did you talk to the dead?
Your lifestyle to me seems so tragic
With the thrill of it all
You fooled all the people with magic
Yeah, you waited on Satan's call"
-Ozzy Osbourne
9:00
The reference to Circle K is so on point!
"Bill, strange things are afoot at the Circle K." -- Ted "Theodore" Logan
Another new religion influenced by the Thelema? Scientology. L. Ron Hubbard had read Crowley’s books and hung out with rocket scientist/occultist Jack Parsons who was a follower of Crowley. They conducted magic sex rituals to summon the Thelemite goddess.
Whilè Hubbard did practice Thelema briefly, about a decade before Scientology, there is little to nothing directly from Thelema in Scientology other than some very broad-stroke concepts. It had some influence, no doubt, but Scientology is explicitly extremely syncretic.
Source: I used to practice Thelema (briefly) and I've been a Scientologist for 15 years and have a BA in religious studies.
@@bubbles581 I stand corrected, thank you.
@@catcharide56 no worries!
After Thelema but before Scientology, Hubbard spent his time developing Dianetics which was a research into the human mind and a form of talk therapy. It was very explicitly not a religion. But people kept running into past lives during the therapy sessions and Hubbard actually protested it becoming a religion (believe it or not! this is documented in audio lectures) then finally resigned to the idea and started Scientology directly based on the results of the research of Dianetics (and then its own ongoing research).
Scientology explicitly pulls in, even if just to a small degree, things from virtually every religion and philosophy that came before it - and, in my personal opinion, in many ways attempts to be a sort of meta-religion that explains and encompases all of them. A cornerstone of Scientology is "what is true for you is what you have observed for youself to be true" rather than prescribing truth to people.
From Thelema (among other religions) it inherits a kind of magical world view - that is to say in Scientology the physical universe is said to be the product of thought or the interactions between souls, which exist eternally outside of the universe in Scientology. I believe Cowley was also pretty into the idea of 'researching' religion, something that Hubbard also believed - an idea that is the basis for Scientology.
A huge difference is Scientology is basically devoid of symbolism and has no magical rituals at all. Instead Scientology practice is more like non-leading talk therapy or zen koans to help each practicioner come to their own conclusions and discover their own spirituality.
Watching this on my birthday! So far, it's my favorite present. 😁
happy birthday !! 🎂
Happy birthday! 🎂
Happy birthday
Amazing how cultural some of these guys were within these cults
Yeats yeeting Crowley is commemorated in chaos magick even today; stoked to see this covered, and I feel like people who discuss this era of occulture don't mention it enough.
7:02
Yates: I cast Boot to the Head on Crowley! And I cast it again on Jenny and the Wimp!
6:40 this happens when people play too much Dungeons and Dragons
Look, I just think Counterspell from DnD would be a lot more fun if it required a melee attack, flavored as kicking the other spellcaster in the face.
A magician casts a spell, a second magician casts a counter-spell, a third magician helps the first magician. The soldiers come in and massacre the magicians.
It is an approximative citation of a book from Raymond E. Feist. The introduction of this video reminded me that passage.
And that kids, is how the song "Boot to the Head" came to be!
*The Order of the Golden Dawn is still around.
Nooo I miss the echo for the *ORDO EXTRA HISTORIA!*
The battle reminded me of Cartman's battle with the psychics.
Esoterica is a great channel to explore this stuff further.
Great channel!
I've learned more from that channel and his sources than the 20 or so years I spent in the esoteric world (outside of personal experimentation and my own syncretic system I've been developing as I go)
All I can imagine is the telepathic mental battle with Eric Cartman and the psychics. PEWPEWPpewpewpewp, NUNUNunununun, SHSHSHshshs, KAKAKakaka, WEEWEEE WEEE
Ah, the ancient Tae Kwon Leep technique of "Boot to the Head."
This really helps for the research I'm doing for a novel that I'm writing.
Then in the heat of their wizard dual Yates called upon the darkest and most foul being to defeat and imprison his foe: The policemen.
"PREPARE THYSELF QUILL BEARER!" literally minos prime
There's always one person who breaks the game and ends up getting the tried and true, kick to the face. The only response to an "I got an everything prof shield, and a sword gun that never misses, and it's in the rules so you can't tell me no."
With Wizard battle, am also thinking of the psychic fight in South Park with Cartman and the other psychics.
When a discord and reddit mod meet
This magic fight sounds like an adventure time episode
Mr. Crowley, what went on in your head?
Oh Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead?
Your lifestyle to me seemed so tragic
With the thrill of it all
You fooled all the people with magic
Yeah, you waited on satan's call
It’s like that South Park episode with the psychic mind battles.
"Boots to the face! My one weakness!...how did you know?"
-Alistair Crowley (probably)
"MIIIISTER CROWLEY...[DUN-DUN-DUN!]...HERE'S A BOOT TO THE HEAD"
I kind of like the idea of this cult
A single kick is more powerful than every spell combined
these guys would've loved D&D
Yeats did the "parry this you filthy casual" move
This sounds like something a group of kids would do
This is btw the Mr Crowley Ozzy Osborne sings about.