How to properly grip a sword - Understanding HEMA
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Hosts Sean Franklin and Nicole smith go over a multitude of grips for a bunch of different swords such as longsword, messer, arming, and rapier (in both Italian and Spanish styles)
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Very good video, it's easy for me to understand and it's straight to the point. (no joke intended)
I like how quick it was because it wasn't a lot of mush in between.
I still laughed
this was extremely helpful. wgen living in a remote area its nice to get a few hints on how to start practicing without opening ourselves up for failure or worse injury. love these techinical vids
I like the gloves in the metal position.
i know Im quite off topic but do anyone know a good site to watch new series online?
@Damian Israel Lately I have been using flixzone. Just search on google for it :)
@Arjun Mohammad Yea, I have been using Flixzone for years myself =)
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@Damian Israel Happy to help xD
You guys have this like cheesy 80s maybe 90s training video vibe and I love it
British military sources tend to prefer a thumb on the back grip, as it assists with aligning the point for the thrust. That said, some do suggest shifting the thumb to the side when cutting, or when using a heavier sabre (Waite for instance). Since those manuals were used to teach British officers and cavalrymen who fought in India and other corners of the Empire, it seems that in that particular martial context the thumb grip was adequate
So excited to start learning proper historical swordsmanship.... thanks for the video
The first grip: hammer grip
My long ass sword: I think you maybe could try to possibly barely do that.
My weak wrists: no
another great video
Great video
Praise
Alright thank you i'm going to use these Techniques for blade and sorcery OmegaLUL
Thank you. Masters
What about not gripping the pommel?
Can I get a link to the intro song artist, please?
Just a little question : Is the Arming Sword ( The one-handed , straight , cruciform blade of the Medieval period ) taught and used in HEMA ? .
yes.
I actually asked this on the way if it is regular and used in tournaments .
I don't think there are any sources about using the arming sword by itself.
Quite a few treatises do deal with sword and buckler - the oldest treatise that we know of, *I.33*, from around 1320, deals with unarmored people using arming sword and buckler - so it's a pretty widely practiced discipline and you can find it in some tournaments.
From what I've heard, people who want to use the arming sword by itself usually adapt messer techniques, but I have yet to see arming swords used by themselves in tournaments.
+TheFilthyCasual cool info, thank you my man
They should .They were more influential in Europe´s History ( As well as the rest of the world ) than other weapons .
I’ve practiced on my own with no lessons since I was 5 and I’ve gotten to almost identically positions I’m 15 for the record
who cares? it's not hard to grip a sword, it's hard to use one. go beat a master before being proud of yourself.
He's fifteen dude, stop shitting on kids being proud of themselves.
1:20 Ironic given how much of our material (Mayer, 1570) comes from an expressly sportive purpose
Lighten up a bit guys, you are intelligent and passionate people.
Its like watching a video about church
Yeah, who need to hold gun when you could just hold a sword instead
u look like npcs
Outstanding video, I enjoyed it, thank you for the great content. Keep up the great work.
nice gloves.
can you showcase sword and buckler sparring.
+Deadpool Chimichanga Jr I'd like to see that as well
What kind of longswords are those? Great Video btw :)
1:28 - 2:21 for 2 handed swords
So who's idea was it to setup the gloves like that? :)
When you say "if we don’t hold the sword correctly in the hand, we have no choice but the break the wrist"...Do you mean physically breaking the wrist or do you mean breaking the alignment of the wrist, as in it's no longer straight?
Thought about potential follow-up videos on using the hand? Like how to throw a cut, how the hand gets used to change grips in longsword or how to use the small finger to accelerate the sword in a cut? And following through from there how to safely throw a cut and the different ways to throw them?
I've found it useful to explicitly show these things to beginners vs letting them pick it up organically... :)
Is Hema aliance in India too ? 🤔
According to a Bones episode, you should hold the handle with one hand and the blade with the other.
There is a view that changing the grip too much is a kind of handicap. I was taught to change my grip as little as possible, and if I can't make the techniques work, practice harder until I can.
If I see someone changing their grip, I'm going to try and disarm them, and if they use a fancy grip, it makes me more confident, not less.
If you do a video on proper Krumphau execution on contact I will bow to you as the best HEMA channel in youtube :D
Tho i wont personally put this into practice I am watching this video for a medieval story I'm writing for my script class and wanna know the correct use of a sword and write it in my story :))
love these vids!
Koning Gloves! \m/ \m/
They're so metal. ;)
Very nice again. I really love your didactic style a lot.
Im here not to learn but to use some scene for drawing
I see a lot of hating on the thumb up grip, but is it really that bad. I am not advocating it for use on all swords, but military saber manuals use the grip a lot. With a saber I don't really see any problem with the thumb up grip.
Don't listen to those people. It's stated i manuals for use with all kinds of swords, and in my experience I have never been hit in the thumb while doing it, as my thumb is shielded by my blade facing me, rather than my opponent.
Very well explained. Also pedagogically.
me trying to copy anime LMAO
One tip switch grips for the situation
thanks for this video 😊😊
Great video, thanks
Any suggestions for handling more restrictive basket hilt swords, like Scottish broadswords, backswords, or Mortuary hilt swords?
why did you call a strike a "false edge" on a double edge sword.
both edges are very REAL
Because that's what some historical manuscripts literally call the back edge.
@@BloodandIronHEMA "the back edge" is fine as even double edge swords have a prime side determined usually by the hilt/handle combination.
false edge on the other hand is an edge like grindvthat is nit sharpened at all.
it cannot possibly be a "false edge"
@@jadekayak01 the edges are always referred to in the manuals as one of two things: long edge and short edge, or the edge and false edge. Neither of these are literal, as the long edge is just as long as the short edge (except on some messers, which literally have a short back edge). Likewise, the true edge is the same as the false edge. A false edge is not an unsharpened edge, as then it wouldn't be referred to as an edge at all, but rather would most likely be called the "spine", as is the case with messers and sabers.
@@CoffeeSnep i was taught edge and backedge(as in backhand)
The edge was always defined by which side(flat) of the blade faces towards opponent or outwards-usually the one with makers stamp amd most ornate engraving if any or in case or swept or basket hilts it can only be held one way properly.
The backedge is always the one that is opposite the edge.
Although a backedge strike can be performed with the "edge" if the sword is gripped the "wrong way" as is posdible with alot of swords.
I also make these things and knifes and a knife "false edge" IS a grind to provide an apperance of an edge without it being sharp.
Different tool,different nomenclature.
I also thought that the "spine" was a RIDGE (as opposed to a fuller) down the centre(or close) of the blade
@@jadekayak01 in the case of two edged blades, the spine is indeed the ridge in the middle, but with intentionally single edged swords the spine is often defined as the side opposite the edge, as in this case it provides much more of the structure than in a double edged sword.
In my training, the true edge is defined as the edge in line with your knuckles, as in a false edge bind the false edge might be the one facing your opponent. Or you may be in a guard with the true edge facing outward, such as Guardia Di Alicorno or Coda Lunga e Stretta. Unless the sword has a knuckle bow or some other complex hand protection, the true edge and false edge can flip by rotating the sword 180 degrees in the hand.
Regardless, it doesn't really matter what you call it, as "a rose by any other name smells just as sweet." However, most manuals and masters, and therefore most instructors and practitioners, refer to them as either long & short, or true & false.
There's definitely a Science to this Art. And that's how one knows that it's an actual sophisticated Martial System. Great lesson.
I learned the hard way not to use the modern thumb up saber grip on a sidesword... ended up spraining my thumb because all the force was getting transferred into the connective tissues around my thumb rather than the bones of my forearm.
thank you thank you thank you so sick of hearing the thumb on the back being claim the best and given a name sabre grip which is totally incorrect. also the fact that it is weak and pretty much useless against cloth. military sabre is mostly a disappointment
I guess the bit where he's holding the Messer trainer is applicable, but I would like to have seen some arming sword.
Why is it advised to hold the handle lighter with the dominant hand (right for the right handed people) and tighter with the other one ( near the pommel)?
Awesome video, Very important subject.
Thanks for the advice guys, great vid!
What are the swords used in these vids?
those GLOVES ;-)
What about swords with a small hand grip and large pommel? (Oakeshott type XII Arming Sword) I thought maybe the sword was made wrong, but many past examples are seen in museum pieces and manuscript drawings. In trying to use the sword, this pommel gets in the way of a standard comfortable grip. Any tips on this?
Matt Easton of scholagladiatoria has a few videos on this. In (too) short summary, some hilts like on tulwar want to make you hammer-grip to make you cut instead of thrust, while others (like many "viking" type swords and certain disk pommels) can actually quite comfortably be handshake-gripped.
What you call the handshake grip is still the hammer grip. I don't see how you would have to "hyper-extend" your wrist in order to achieve the same distance with the hammer grip - it's the exact same grip. Case in point: assume your handshake grip, and bring the blade up so that it forms a 90 degree angle to the arm. There's your hammer grip. If it is different to the hammer grip you had before, then you did not hold the sword properly before.
www.twinoaksforge.com/BLADSMITHING/Get%20a%20(Hammer)%20Grip.htm
I suppose this is a semantic nitpick more than anything, but a hammer grip is a _good_ grip - what you describe as a hammer grip should never be used with a hammer and is therefore a misnomer.
To be honest the delivery of the lines are too robotic for me
i completely agree