Road Bikes Weight SCAM! | Does Weight Matter? (The TRUTH) Cycling Industry Doesn't Want You To Know!
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Hey guys, lepedaler coming with a very informative video explaining specifically why the weight of a road bike shouldn't be your main focus when it comes to cycling
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I personally raced two Giant Propels back to back for the past 4 yrs. Now I'm on a SL7 Specialized Tarmac (not S Works). While I fully believe that investment in structured training which I'm have been doing for the past 4yrs outweighs the benefits of a superbike. Other than weight which is a very grey area in terms of performance, stiffness index of the carbon frame does make a difference in the power output. It's very personal preference to one expect to feel when pushing each stroke. I have also ridden the old TCR which I feel the frame flexed too much under each stroke compared to the stiffness of a propel which I loved. I have also tried the latest TCR which is much stiffer and would gladly recommend anybody who wants to race but is on a budget. The choice of my current ride is more of balance feel of both weight and stiffness than just based on a weight alone. 45 secs claim is bullshit which I know before even I purchase the bike. What matters is the rider him or herself that makes the difference. Lol.
Yup!!
yupp sounds like cope to me
While most people might think this video is cringy. I feel this is necessary. This is not supposed to be viewed and interpreted by those people who can actually afford to buy 12k and up bikes, but for those aspirants who want to train and become competitive but is lacking budget. Great video and eye opener to ALL cyclists; competitors and enthusiasts alike.
Much appreciated and glad you recognized the goal of the video!
@@Pedaler Well, most people want to hear and just wouldn't like to listen. Glad I'm not one of those! Keep doing what you're doing bud!
Hyperbikes with a fat sunday cyclist is like a porsche chassis with a 1.0L 3-cyclinder engine
And that's why my big butt rides a department store $500 mountain bike, with Urban tires.
This is exactly what I've been thinking. Simply not worth it for me to spend thousands more on a bike just to save a pound or two. Aluminum is just fine for me. But bike makers seem to be reserving options better component sets for only the most expensive carbon frame bikes. Why not allow these options for aluminum frame models?
Just buy a aluminum or good steel frame and customize the wheels and components. Especially the wheels and the spoke tension are very important in terms of acceleration.
I love guys who spend 799 dollars on the lightest pedals but they are 59 pounds overweight...i love it
Great video! I just wanted to make a point being the devil's advocate. General bike performance is measured in W/Kg, where W is the total watts your engine can put down (aka legs) and Kg is the combined weight of the system (rider + bike + water bottle + etc...). With this it is easy to see that the heavier the rider (more Kg), will be less affected by a heavier bike than a lighter rider. This is also the case with a stronger rider (more W) that will be less affected by a heavier bike than a weaker rider. Pros are generally light AND strong, making small fluctuations in weight of the system less meaningful than the weekend worrier who is kinda light. A big and heavy rider (most of the time they are strong even though they are not fit) will not benefit almost at all from a light bike. So the take-home message is: if you are a really light rider (around 100 lb or less), a light bike will actually make a difference. All of this is for climbs, where gravity effects you (E=mgh), but on flat ground (no elevation), bike weight difference makes absolutely no sense. If you are a heavy rider, a light bike will make almost no difference. Here I have omitted that pros, being so equal through ought the peloton, need all the advantages possible to beat others. Another thing I have not considered is that a light bike will be easier to maneuver, specially to lighter riders (I know that this is more important in MTB (XC) than in Road). Only the buyer can say if this is worth it or not, but generally, a 2K or3K bike is MORE than ENOUGH.
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More than enough is probably defined by what you do! If you are on the edge of following a group ride, any help, no matter how small, is greatly appreciated. If you roll around alone, a 1k bike is more than enough - I know because I rode la marmotte on a sub 1k bike, and the bike was never a problem!
1st to fall weight of person doesn't matter in velocity of cycle at all!!!
Proof= potential energy= kinetic energy
Mgh= ½mv²
Divide by m
Gh= ½v²
V²= 2gh
V=√2gh
It means it's independent of mass!!
Well..I just like how the Emonda and Domaine ride. I simply trust them. Just bought a new one. I'm 50 years old and it's what I like
I agree, but If you are racing, then a 1-2min difference is everything.
What a great video. I have been cycling most of my life but really got into road cycling back in 2012. I bought a entry level bike, paid about £1000 at the time. The reason I didn't go more expensive was, as you said in the video, I didn't know if I'd even stick with it or not. In any case, I did, and I also kept the bike, which I did some incremental "upgrades" - wheels, bars and so on. I've been able to humble quite a few riders on way more expensive bikes over the years on club rides.
I recently acquired a new road bike to compliment the one I've already got and it's 1kg heavier, mainly due to the wheels, the finishing kit and disc brakes (my othe rbike is a rim brake setup). GCN did a good video that looked specifically at the effect of adding 1kg to a bike and it's effect on performance. I think it equated to an additional 5 watts.
GCN clip:
ua-cam.com/video/q6KWyux0pCg/v-deo.html&feature=shares
Very good demonstration of how it's about the rider (engine) and not the weight of the bike. The topic of brakes is a good one. I think the sweet spot is V-brakes. The other topic is the weight/ durability disparity. If the weight of the bike is not the top priority, then what is? I say durability Why? Because that is the most sound advice economically. I would rather have a bike that is lbs heavier and lasts decades longer. I still say (except for racing) a steel bike is the way to go.
What the cycling industry also doesn't tell you is that they had 6.8 kg bikes 10 years ago as well that cost 1500$ in perfect condition today
1996 Vitus 992 I ride mostly. Love it.
If I was to get drop with my 10k bike, I would get drop even more on my 2k bike. At least my bike is nice to look at...
@@Reanimator999 ain't that the same with a cheap bike ?
Ha Ha, you would probably get dropped equally, unless you are a professional cyclist on a major clime! As an old road racer, its all about your personal fitness and the size of your gut! :-)
@@andrewsmith3530 Yeah that's for sure ! At least I don't get drop that often 🤣
Great video. Cyclist should know that these super expensive bikes, alot of the money you pay is for the research the companies do to produce these top end components. Hence why a modern 105 groupset is just as good if not better then a Dura-ace from 10 years ago. You will not see your return in product when you by top end bike.
Instructions unclear, bought an ebike and gained 50lbs
That's every industry tho. Golf for example, lasted model driver goes "longer" but they don't say how much longer, because the data shows it's about .5 yards longer on average lol
Great vid bruh! Stay passionate, stay sincere, stay honest. All the best ya..
This is all true. I agree with 100% and if you like a bike that happens to cost 5k… then do what you like but just know you will be blown out of the water with a dude on a retro bike or rain day bike when it comes down to fitness.
Taking a break from building my new road bike. Mega-stoked. Emonda ALR Disc Ultegra mechanical Paul Klampers (they're so nice) White Industries cranks. I love it already. I'm riding it up Mt Evans this Summer.
The Emonda ALR frame is magnifico.
Same. I put some Aeolus Pro 37s on my ALR 4 and I’m just about to install a 105 groupset on it. An amazing frame for the price.
Uyashisa, you're hot for this. It's all coming back to me , when I started cycling I was passed by a 50 year old man on a sturdy clunky Raleigh (lowest budget) . I went back to lifting weights
I personally believe if a bike is not more than 10kg is perfectly fine. My AR3 feels like a feather even on uphills which i ride a lot. The only problem is my weight 113kg. If i get fitter my bike will really shine. Nice video. Can you do a mechanical vs hydraulic disc brakes one? I use mechanicals and they are very good even for a heavy rider like me. I wonder if the expensive cost of the hydraulic is really worth it.
You forgot to add the drafting parameter. If you ride inside a pelaton the wind blocking can reduce more time.
I for myself upgraded my bike to trek madone SL bike for three parameters- 1. More aero bike( I think that wind is more important for those who are strong on the straight s.
2. Disk brakes- they just stop better. After almost crashing when my rim brake just got over heated I don't trust these rim brakes anymore.
3. Electronic shifting ( because I love gadgets and they can be connected to garmin and I can control it from the shifters)
But for the reasons you mentioned I did not even think of buying SLR model. It's less than 1kg difference and almost 3k difference
I have a super old trek fx 7.3 with a heavy af steel fork and got into strava last year, i enjoy the pain people get when i beat them on segments with my tagged bike :P. I've improved so much by training and eating right that even this 25 lb+ bike isn't slowing me down. This bike is maybe worth 300 dollars, and I beat people with more than 10x cost bikes, trust me it's a satisfying feel in its own.
Fitness gains for the win!
Dam bro your killing the UA-cam game 👍keep it up ⬆️
Greatly appreciate it!
@10:11 😂😂. A 22yr old, when I was younger
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you also need to put into account how stiff the bike is, less power lost amounts to better speed / power transfer.
if assuming both the $2k bike and the $12k bike are exactly the same stiffness then "truth" on this video is correct.
there are also other qualities of the bike like ride quality, comfort, cornering.
Agree and disagree with you. I lost about 10% of my body weight and I am definitely faster on climbs, but the improvement isn’t as dramatic as you might think. I was pretty fit before, so the lighter me still has to work pretty hard to beat my old times. On the other hand, I have ridden a lot of bikes and a light bike that is well built is a joy to ride. You feel like you can ride farther with less effort. It is hard to explain that difference in terms of physics. It is probably because lighter bikes are the manufacturers best bikes: not only lighter but more aero, stiffer in power transfer but more compliant so the ride is better, better components, etc. You are getting a lot more for 12k than just a little lighter bike.
Great video. The animation is a nice touch. Are you still working for a bike shop? Your boss may not approve of this message. lol
This video is gold
Appreciate it!
@@Pedaler every time I think about moving on from my bike I come back and watch this video! You have saved me so much money 😂🤣
Thank you!!!
Hahaha all best 😂!
Even on just a weekend group ride things can get competitive, having a lighter more aerodynamic bike with less rolling resistance can be the difference between 33kms PH or 35kms PH (or keeping up with or not keeping up with the group). Its all about perspective. If people want to and are happy to spend the loot, its all good. Others don't, all good too. What is the scam?
A win is even sweeter when done with lesser kit.
David Millar (former world tour pro and time trial word champ) said: The handling of a bike is the most important thing.
I am an old Campy guy. Still love it but refuse to pay the price for it. I am starting to really shift on thought all together now as I have ridden Ultegra now for years. I am starting to think that is spending too much money based on performance reviews of 105. Wish I had the thousands back I spent buying into the hype.
Lol those fat guys can keep up with you on a group ride for 2 more mins. That's probably worth $10k to them
I bought a Giant advanced 2 rim brakes! I chanced the weels,saddle and handlebar ( al bought by Ali Expressie for 390€ everting Carbon ) sold the wheels for 150€ so i paid 1640€ for a bike off 7',4 kilogram! Super video!!!....ohhh including pedals 🤣🤣🤣👍👍
I’ve got a heavy as fuck madone SLR. But it looks dope. 😆
I have the money to buy whatever bike I want, but I refuse to be fed so much marketing crap that make no empirical sense what so ever for a mundane cyclist like myself. For the last 10 years I have made the efforts to build my own road/gravel/commuter do-it-all bike with the best quality/price ratio drivetrain components (e.g Shimano Tiagra cranks, 105 shifters, GRX400 brakes) all the rest being sourced from Aliexpress. One ICAN X-Gravel frame, 2 pairs of wheels/tyres. Cost me less than USD2,500. Weights 9.5kgs, goes everywhere does (almost) everything and as I am keeping my body weight in check, I often smoke overweight guys on their AUD12,000 super bikes (grin).
psa everyone: you don't have to begrudge those that own expensive bikes, kit etc. Everyone has a different financial situation, riding goals.
What's your thoughts about the bike price increases? You'll do a video about this?
Could you make a video about the food you ate when you went from 96kg to 69kg, and the recovery also? I have now a fat percentage of 12.7% (66kg, 1m73, 17 years old)and would like to go to 10%.
I ride a chinese single speed, rim brakes, pursuit bars, all steel. 11kg. Its a tank. 100 bucks (i had to assemble it). Ive been riding it daily for 5 years. No failures. Its fun. Im fit.
He says weight is a scam, then one of his first points is to say a 5k bike is lighter than the SL8 and that he would never personally spend more money for a heavier bike! WHAT?!!
It's sad that you had to explain this glaring truth.
Me who weighs 99kg doesn't have a business with a sub 5kg bike, my 13kg with lights and GPS works just fine
While there is some difference that components make, i think the bulk of the cost of a bike is in the frame. If they are the same material eg carbon or aluminium, even if its 1-2kg more or less, our body weight fluctuates by abt that much periodically. Like for like, expensive & cheap frames make little difference. Watt matters is does it fit; ie don't get an XL frame if u r a XS size, its not gonna make u bigger!
When I compared my 2019 Émonda SL to my co worker’s 2019 S Works Tarmac the differences were so minimal but comparing my low end alloy Madone from 2015 to my Émonda was substantial
I still ride my orbea onix 2007 with 6600 ultegra. Didn't see the meed to buy the newer di2 and discs.
I mean, my bike is $300 it's a vintage 95 Cannondale. As is it probably weighs about 25+ pounds. Heavy wheels, aero bars, no carbon anywhere. Plus I usually ride with a backpack weighing 15-20 pounds. My average speed is around 21-22mph. Now this is my only bike, and I've never ridden a high end carbon lightweight bike so I have nothing to compare it to. I'm sure I'll go faster. But I don't think it will be $12,000 worth of fast. Still I will like to see the difference.
Clipless for beginners is my pet peeve. Not that they aren't more efficient, but 90% of my clipless customers don't even understand ankling, so they literally would be faster riding flats! All this and we're not even considering that most are not set up properly, are uncomfortable and are spending hundreds extra to ride clipless.
most of the studies actually suggest that clipless pedals do not provide any improvement in riding efficiency (DOI: 10.1055/s-2008-1038374). Yet, some studies also suggest that they could be better for knees.
The best video I’ve seen on expensives vs cheaper bike. You simply can’t buy a faster time up a climb by spending 12k on a bike. Spending time getting fit on a 2k bike and losing body weight is a much cheaper option plus your body will thank you later
SL7 heaviest tarmac Older tarmac is lighter. Disc brakes means light parts on bike and heavier fork
😂 Basically what he is saying here “Cycling is the new Golf”.
Underrated video!
I agree! I own the cannondale caad optimo 2018, put tiagra 10speed and some carbon cockpit, aluminum 40mm
Wheel set on it and it weighs around 8.2 to 8.5 KG. I joined a mini race here with 200 particpants and i finished 2nd. This is not a joke! Most of the particpants has their bike weighs for about 6.5 to 7.5 KG. Im saying this because i want people to know its not always about the bike, yes lighter is better. But what matters is ur proper conditioning and training.. i can buy an expensive bike but i dont need to and why? I fkcin beat the sht out of them ridin my optimo. Lmfao.
Great video bro!
Subscribed!
Keep making these videos...please! People need to be informed.
When I passed a group of roadies after coming back from a two hour Mountain bike ride on a full suspension mountain bike. I was probably doing 20 mph on the flats and 15 up hill. You can hold a good pace on any bike.
Inspirational video. Love how you get totally worked up over it. I used a roubaix sl4 to go from 100 kg to 79 and my race mates who said it wasn't a climbing bike unlike their tarmacs were no match uphill. I smoked them in the hairpins and I smiled and yelled as I changed their view on bikes forever
Totally agree - fit and lean. Just ride, ride and ride. Although a light bike feels so nice.
Sounds to me the scam isn't the weight of the bike but the price. I don't have a background in Cycling growing up in a poor black community. Whenever I go out on group rides I always feel out of place because of the income difference between us. Listening to someone describe a $1,200 road bike as budget or cheap when it takes me the better part of a year to save up that kind of money has me scratching my head. Anyway, I remember the first time riding my $1,200 road bike and how amazing it was compared to my $600 hybrid bike. After one month of riding the bike I sold the hybrid. Being low income has forced me to be smart about how I spend my money when it comes to bikes. Lighter weight bikes do help with improving my fitness because I want to ride them more. However, there are smart ways to bring the weight of the bike down without having to spend outrageous amounts of money.
In a local ride an ex national level rider got third place on a retro bike with down tube shifters. It’s not about the bike.
Fact: Rider X will perform better on a lighter bike under the exact same conditions. A 300hp car pushing more weight will be slower than that same 300hp pushing a lighter car. It's not opinion or placebo. It's physics.
By the way, 1 minute saved at a finish line is a world of difference, or as Dom puts it in Fast & Furious; 'It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile; winning's winning.'
I have 11kg vintage bike and it make me fit 😊
I totally agree with you. When I was 72 kgs. I had a Bianci road bike but my Jr. high school son always beats me with his mamachari or his 26" MTB. Years have passed and now I gained a lot of weight (109 kgs) and needed a new bike in hope to lose some weight. I tried several types of bikes but decided to buy a cheap 16" folding bike. It has 6 gears and I could barely use the lowest gear because I burn out so easily. Another reason I bought a 16" is because I have promised to take my friend's 5 year old daughter for a bike ride, so basically I will be racing against a 5 year old and honestly I think I need to lose some weight or I'll get smoked by a small pink kiddie bike :( Even if I buy an expensive bike, I'm sure I wont get any faster.
@@Reanimator999, Thanks for your advice. You are totally right. I have changed my diet and is now under medical treatment (lots of medicines) because of my obesity. I did change my diet first before buying a bicycle and I'm hopeful that I can reach my goal.
Sad thing is that I was a varsity swimmer, motorcycle trials rider and have several black belts.. Pigging out didn't do me good.. Now I'm just a fat old guy struggling to ride a small bicycle. Baby steps my friend, baby steps :)
hahaha this weird voice at 10:20 reminds me so much of arnold schwarzenegger voice. great video
you made it sound like Super Bike has only one thing to offer - Weight. In reality, super bike has much more than just weight.
LOL
It’s best to think about reliable equipment and last’s a long time and can be repaired.
U are right. Hands down. You just need to ride ride and ride. No fancy bikes.💪⚡
It’s all about the engine baby. Unless of course you’re just rich and like to show off 😁😁😁
What’s your thoughts about purchasing a used high end bike.. let’s say older sworks venge $7500
Not worth it...
I agree. That’s huge cash. For that much I’d go for a new bike around 3500 and put the rest into wheels, kit, lights, shoes, helmet, stock market, charity, etc. I think Pedaler is right - the diminishing returns kick in early. Go for solid and reliable. p.s. Buy a steel frame. ✌️
Another Woke Cyclist 💪
Used bikes are less value than new bikes at the moment specially “sexy” bikes
great vid, point taken, but a 210 lbs person cutting to 150lbs is pretty extreme and unrealistic in my opinion.
Why do you think so?
Topic: do cycling computers gavevto bevthat expensive?? Why fo we beed them when we have mibile phones?
Love the content, liked it better when you spoke in $CAD but I guess most of your viewers are outside of Canada?
You are lazy ...Google it will give you the exact numbers....just enjoy the video and that time
@@lestercampos46 It's not that I'm lazy, it's for user experience - It'll be nice if $CAD is also mentioned along with $USD pricing.
@@creative907 James....happy day
@pedaler The most important piece of equipment is yourself. Right on!
Exactly 👍
I drank the cool aid too. Now I only ride a heavy Specialized Crux everywhere.
trust me the sl7 is not 7.4....
Though I agree, that was not a good explanation. My 16 lb bike is actually slower than my 19.5 lb bike because the lighter bike slows up faster between pedal strokes. If you can maintain high output over a long enough time on climbs perhaps you can be faster on a climb. But a road race is climbs descents flats and sprints.
That $10k per minute comparison is not apples to apples comparison. This would only be true if you only ride the bike once and then never ride it again then yes you would be paying $10k per minute of performance gain. Now if you ride the same bike over a 5-7 year period then cost to performance comes way down because now you are getting performance gains over a fixed cost.
Can you look at the vitus vitesse evo cr 105 race bike? Would be soo good to get your opinion on it.
Mate , a giant tcr rim brake with ultegra is 7.2 kg without pedals or bottle cages
But it is important that you buy a good basket for your bicycle to put your groceries in. Or you have to ride home, change clothes, step into the car, drive to the supermarket. That is why Dutch people don't ride race bikes. They are too slow. We don't have time for that.
Respect! Keep going!
Appreciate the support!
Well 5 years ago it was weigh light bikes now it’s aero and weight doesn’t matter Bike industries just trying to sell more bikes
Expensive bikes are great for those that are pushing the edge of what's humanly possible. At that point, you're sponsored anyway. Non-pros shouldn't bother with the best S-Works the money is better served in other areas.
Great content!
Well said... Every word of it.
Let's hope this video triggers every cyclist the right way!!!
Well said my bro 💪🏼💪🏼
Carbon also easily break
Can someone recommend me what bikes I could buy for under $600 pre owned please
CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE YOUR INTA ID BECAUS I WANT GAIN MY FITNES ON MY BIKE IM JUNIOUR RACER I
WANT TO MAKE BETTER TRAINIG PLAN
How do you define this as a scam? Maybe an untruth.
I think we’re so enamored by what “pros” have, we are blinded to what we truly need.
I guess that’s what this how video is about. 🤔😂
Totally don't agree an e-bike will shit your fit ass out the bike lol
It’s not scam, just overhyped
I understand your point, but your logic is hyperbole. Sure, a 2 minute advantage at the expense of $10k is $5k/minute, but you’re making the assumption that the bike will only be used on a single occasion (1 ride).
Secondly, I’m not a weight weenie, but weight isn’t inconsequential (F=ma). How much to be considered substantial under “normal” riding conditions? Who knows.
If you’re not fit and you’re on a expensive bike you just wasted your money. I’ve been cycling for over 30 years and I tell a new rider to get fit first. I don’t even ride expensive bike. I ride a Trek 5000 & a Trek Domane .
You say get fit and don’t get a expensive bike. I feel buy whatever you want. I don’t care what you have or buy. I retired at 40 and was fit an run people in the ground. Was drill sergeant for three years, But now i am just doing me. I have a nice bike for me and don’t care if you pass me on a $100 bike. Why is this that. I am older with body issues and I just do me and if I look good and do my best, then I am okay. I understand what you feel and I say do your thing. I will watch it if it’s good content. But for me talking about what people send on bikes and parts or whatever. It’s a turn.
Aigt im buyin a Road bike under 200$ or 10k in the philipines
In the end, it's all about the rider.
Why does it bother you so much? It's obvious that a lot of cyclist are more concerned with showing off their 12k bikes hanging on a wall than their fitness and performance on the bike. Maybe you should be glad that those riders are probably keeping local bike shops in business with their expensive purchases.
There will always be people who will hate on cycling enthusiasts that can afford bling bikes. Some people just like nice things regardless of where they are at with regards to their health and fitness journey. People that rant on mamils that has nice bikes are the young ones that could not afford them. These people have work their butts off to be comfortable in life to the point they can justify their means. Maybe if these young people focus on getting a better job and work on their career more than their fitness then they will get to have nice things in life including few houses and investments. Don’t be bitter young buck, you got more to achieve in life and better things to achieve in life than have higher vo2 max in cycling. That aint going to pay no bills when ya broke.
Haha 😆 I just don’t understand the logic behind spending a lot money 💰 for heavier bike 🚴
Yup 👍
pay thousands of dollars for bicycles that are mass-manufactured in China and with less and fewer production costs and they charge you as if they were a genuine piece of Italian Renaissance art. what a stupid thing
okay younger durian,i have a cheapish tcr 1300 uk pounds.But understand people work hard for there money and like to buy nice things! you do not live forever,people spend a lot of time on the bike and whats wrong with buying something you really like?
Well done🤙🤙again