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ramee has always been judge crane's protege lol
He wasn't always since 3.0, he's been a good teacher
Cut to Harry and Lang kidnapping Turner and planting a journal with incriminating entries in it on him 😅
This happened?
@@mariod818 its a reference to X planting a gun on judge Murphy and getting him arrested bc X got a bogus charge for having a gun because of the lack of laws... It was a pretty funny way to address the problem he was pointing out.
That would honestly be hysterical.
💀😭
This whole arc is just Ws
there is a property warrant for the phone but there is always an additional warrant for the contents ON the phone.. its so simple..
Can I just say I’m absolutely loving this Lawyer arc. Ramee has a real talent for arguing, I actually think if he wanted to and studied for a long time he could actually be a lawyer.
Ramee doing gods work for the criminals in the city
Love how the experience of being both a crim and cop RP’er to understand both sides. Love the Ramee vids big bro
So, any time there is search by the state on an individual, it's presumptively a Charter violation, unless saved by one of the recognized exceptions: a) consent, b) judicial authorization, c) statute, or d) common law.
If the owner of the journal is present and the police are searching and seizing (even just reading the contents could be deemed a seizure, since you can't "unsee" what you read in it), one of those recognized situations needs to be in place.
If there is no consent, then is the journal covered under a warrant? It's possible, but it must be specified on the warrant. The police cannot engage in a fishing Expedition. Even if there might be information relevant to their investigation in the journal, the warrant should specify "documents, journals, handwritten notes," etc that are related in some meaningful way to the warrant.
If the journal was on a person arrested, they can search it only for weapons hidden inside of the journal, not read the contents. That's a common law exception.
Finally, there could be a statute. But I'll tell you, even at the border, CBSA officers cannot generally search and read through a journal as part of their routine customs or immigration exam unless they can articulate some nexus or link to a law they're enforcing.
Then... if the journal contains anything covered by solicitor-client privilege, it gets even less likely a search will be lawful.
Sue the PD for 4th amendment violation
The logical argument would have been - in the city - there are no passcodes on phones/computers/electronics, based on the design. Therefore, you cant use that a example of why a subpoena would be needed ... because they treat them as if they are locked. They can also treat notebooks like they are locked per se. The easy fix for the city limitations would be to name it a "Digital Notebook".
4:12 was a jumpscare.. I wasn’t expecting that close up😂😂
Ramee's mayoral arc and him representing himself and getting W's was just a sample of this legendary lawyer arc
in the city phones aren't locked, you can't infact lock your phone in any way. And with the new simcard mechanic you could take someones phone and go through it, as has already been done. By this logic books should fall under the same category or neither is off limits.
Ramee is 100% right on this one
Wait can you put passcodes on phones now ?
@@musicbox6144that’s what I was thinking, in Los Santos there is no code locked phones. On top of that, the argument about “digital data” doesn’t hold up as well. Raid someone’s house for a guns and you can’t listen to a cassette tape laying near the stereo. And technically cassettes are not digital they are analog.
I believe this is "assumed" via role-playing. Just like how ramee "ripped " the pages out of Harry's notebook at the PD when in reality he just took copies.
He's right that this shouldn't be allowed. But it IS allowed by current laws, so hes wrong when he says it isnt.
Technically but he's also wrong. Irl logic, people don't usually lock away their diaries so just like a folded piece of paper, there's no security to bypass thus no legal force needed to be applied
Well hold on because phones don't have 'locks' either so they're mechanically no different to the notebooks either. Anyone can check anybody else's phone if they get hold of it
Bro ramee is killing it. It’s actually impressive.
The fact still remains that, if cos a phone is locked you need a search warrant for it, then a book is just like a phone, the book is closed, meaning it's closed for privacy reason,then you need a warrant to check the contents of the book,
Or at the very least, consent from the owner of said phone (and this case, book)
okay but will ramee go to prom with crane ? 15:45
Find out next time on NoPixel RP
If it requires a warrant to go into someone's phone, it should be the same for a Notebook. All info they got from the illegal search is tainted now.
Ramee should get part of OOC power and change laws , he now knows both police and crim points of view
"God f**kin lord right, write it down." had me 🤣🤣🤣
ramee lawyer arc is amazing
Ramee’s point of view makes the most sense. Imagine for example you were a CFO of a company and had a bunch of ledgers with you to work over at home. The police can’t just read through it and take pictures they’d get sued out of their ass by the company. Notebooks should be handled the same way. It’s about privacy. Unless the Notebook is in any way shape or form connected to the crime, it should not be admissible for search and or investigation…
True, it should be assumed that it's legal documentation, right ? I guess people have no rights to privacy once they're booked
@@alexb7092 i mean in this case harry wasnt even booked yet. They were interogating him on the book which had nothing to do with the charges. The book doesnt have any relation to the crime he was charged in. It considered private property in relation to data which would need a subpeona to access.
If it’s like a journal type of book I don’t think it’s just common place to look through it. If it’s a book that is visually pertaining to the crime they’re being arrested for then I’d say it’s fine
Id go down the data protection route. A note is different to a personal diary.
Skimming through pages for something stashed and reading are not the same
Rammee just needed to word things better i think, because he has a point. Charging someone based off something started from how they got to reading that book , is easily fruit of the poisonus tree.
Crane proved Ramee's point when he said you can't just get a search warrant for drugs and read around for serial numbers on the backs of stereos. Judge was just talking in circles after that 💀
i mean warrants to search peoples belongings are placed to protect the citizens from corruption. from what i gather, the cops are corrupt the judge is corrupt and they would be dumb to put in any protection for the citizens because that would mean they have to actually work.
if it was proper the cops would need to get a warrent to search any closed private things such as phones, books, suitcases, backpacks, wallets etc... if they had to get a warrant they would have to have a reasoning to propose to the judge on why they wanted the warrant.. them wanting to look in buddys book just because its a book in his pocket is not a good enough reason for a judge to issue a warrant... leaving the suspect protected from any unjust bs that the cops were trying to force on him. ramee is cooking here its just too bad he didnt have the brainpower to bring up the main point here as to why its unsafe for cops to just be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want without having to get warrants or approval . i mean with this logic nopixel may aswell just delete the whole script for the book cause nobody is going to use it once they find out cops can freely just search it if they stop you for jwalking or pull you over. lmfao
Crane said two scenarios: if it's "house warrant", Cops can only go by what the warrant say or w.e is in plane sight( they can't mess with appliances unless warrant say so) vs getting "Processed in Jail" , before getting into jail Cops can go through your belongs for documentation.
That scenario is about a search warrent for a specific thing in a Private property which is entirely disconnected from an incident to arrest search that requires EVERYTHING to be documented.
No. When you get a warrant you only have the right to seize things in plain view.
When you are arrested they have the right to search EVERYTHING, in or not in plain view.
That was his point, idk how so many people don't understand this.
Cops RP to be serious. Crims RP to have fun. Its impossible to find middle ground every time. But in this context. Yes, they should be allowed to open the book to look for drugs, weapons. But anything they "read" should be inadmissible as it was not part of the scope for their charges. What if that book had confidential information that wasn't illegal?
Afaic, because of the fact that in the context of the city, data does refer to something that retains information, a book should have the same requirements as a PC or a phone/sim card, opening to flip through and make sure that there's no weapons or items stored in the book is fine, actually reading every page, taking pictures, and questioning about the contents, without subpoena/ search warrant should not only be prosecuted as a case against the PD for violation of rights, but any information obtained by the PD from reading said contents should be retconned, and any officers that consumed what was written should be barred from any future investigation regarding the contents of what was in the book due to power gaming.
If you are arrested for distributing weed and the cops read a book in your possession about how to grow weed and your grow locations they are not allowed to use that info? 100% you should be able to look at that book.
Lmao I love this ARC
I don't agree with ramee for a variety of reasons, but I do really like the way he argued his case. It's great RP and the way he interacted with crane is awesome.
Aside from contraband there should be a warrant to go thru an personal belongings
Judge Crane looks like the old man from Up
The idea of a blackbook is dope, if you dont get caught instantly with it🤣😭 Harry got caught🤣
I tgink in real law if your phone doesnt have a password there aloud to search the phone aswell not sure but i heard that somewhere
Even if Crane decides not to do this, Crims could get around this by writing something like "Harry's Diary (Locked)" thus making it literally no different than a phone.
I will say, I didn't like Crane's statement about just not doing it to make sure crims aren't stupid. Most of the server are civs or not-yet-felon crims just like Harry. What if a civ keeps a diary of very personal things to them and the character, and it all gets revealed because they get any kind of non-traffic charge? That's stupid.
But I do think Crane will consider it fairly. He seems genuinely interested in the conundrum Ramee has brought up, especially cuz most of the city has notebooks now.
Yea well also it's just gonna completely kill notebook RP, once people find out everyone's just gonna go right to 3.0 phone notes they might as well take the item out of the server.
@workhardt8080 I mean, the cool thing is that you can hand a physical thing to somebody, or it could get stolen, and you lose it. The notebooks also leave a lot of rp potential for serial killer rp and leaving clues for cops. I dont think it would kill it entirely.
Not to mention someone could use like a JP uno reverse card and write down a bunch of there enemies names and illegal stuff to set people up....
Not sure if this exist irl but can't they put a clause or something at the start of the notebook indicating that the content held in here are confidential/privileged information. Anyone who reads this disclaimer would have to immediately stop reading any further. Thus treating it similar to a phone which would require a warrent for it to be inspected further
Id like to see ramee and tommy t double team lawyering because r1000 and t1000 is a dangerous team
I feel like the cops could basically argue that warrants are required to get access to things that aren't on the person being searched. In the case of the phone, the password isn't on the person (unless it's written on a piece of paper in their pockets). So if they want to get the password then they need a warrant. If the book was locked and the key wasn't on the person, then they would need a warrant to go and get the key.
there's no passwords though 😂
And what if they have face recognition to unlock? That is on the person
well they dont@@brom8t
So dont read the pages just shake and look for stuff
This is the argument for the folded piece of paper. "If an officer is searching for contraband during processing and inventory, and the suspect has an envelope with a folded letter inside. When the officer opens the envelope to check if it has contraband inside, does that give him the right to now read the letter?"
If a cop is searching someone for guns and drugs that is illegal you should then only be looking for said items you shouldn't be going through stuff that doesn't pertain to said arrest. I think to go through someone's notebook it should be treated the same as a phone. If you put items into inventory after an arrest you just write down 1 notebook it doesn't give you the right to go through it. If a cop believes that the said notebook is connected to a crime then i would say that is fair.
You are wrong sort of but you are right sort of crane is trying to tell you that you are right when you say that beyond searching for illegal things in the book reading the contents is out of the scope and would require further cause such as admittance of importance in the book or note to investigate the matter and that words written down are different from words typed in a secure data base which a piece of paper is not a data base and that you should need a warrant/subpoena to read threw a book and a phone but there is not clear line in your cities laws that makes importance of such an event and would need to be brought to a judge to talk on that before you take this to a court case so that a decision could be made sooner instead of delaying a court case for said actions
this is not an arguable position its a situation in which you can only sit by and just wait after talking to the chain of people who deal with such laws
Wasn't there an actual case with a similar situation?
Its all about privacy right. Which is what ramee needs to argue. A book is fine. But if the book involves personal info
If you were too search the book for contraband,narcotics etc.. as soon as you open the book it becomes something you can see in plain sight and if godforbid the first page the cops see’s would be something alarming like : KILL,WEED,DON ( loll) or whatever criminal words, i think the owner of the book would get fucked then, but i do agree with the fact that say cops pulls me over, i smell like weed so they gonna search for drugs, the cops find a close book (on my person) and a large quantity of weed (enough to be brought to jail) before getting jailed they seize all your items (including book) and from there they examine everything including the book, they should like ramee said like shake the book that would be the best of worlds tbh but idk im no lawyer
If the book was in another language or in a cypher would the cops be able to translate it when booking someone?
I think thats sort of what crane was saying, a cop can skim through the pages and make sure there's isn't any illegal items then ramee argued saying that, that's fine but it becomes a problem when the cop reads all of it and creates a case based on that info they got. In your scenario there's no reason a cop should translate or decrypt the book and in Harry's scenario there is no reason the cop shouldve read that book
You should also make the argument if your in a car accident why do cops need a search for your car?
The judge is right that contraband can be hidden inside of a book. But Ramee is right and EVERYONE in the city knows that ACTION is not actually possible
He has a valid argument but he isnt defending it currently. He's getting a little too emotional with it. The way to cement his argument is to scale it. Instead of just one notebook, what about 10 or 20. Say Rammee or a doctor or anyone was driving and did an infraction that got his car impounded. All belongs in the car would be siezed. Now what if that person had 20 books in his back seat/trunk that involved clients/patients or literally anything. Does that mean the cops then have the right to go through every book and read it? Can they use what's in those book to charge them? The argument on what's the line between a paper and a book also loses weight when scaled. Same scenario but they have a stack of 50 papers. Can the cops read each page? If the answer is no because of quantity then the answer should be no for a book since the book could hold 50 pages. But Crane would probably ask where is the line because that is a valid question. At what point is it beyond reasonable. 1 piece of unfolded paper in plane view is alright, right? A stack of 2 unfolded papers? Is the top paper Okay to read because it's in plane view but not the bottom paper because it isn't? 3, 5, 10? At what point is it no longer reasonable? I agree with Ramee but Crane is right, that line needs to be defined.
It's interesting. I mean, they have the right to take illegal items & document possessions, but if they take the notebook as part of documenting possessions & then also read it, then it's sort of treating the notebook as an illegal item. It makes sense that the cops should have to ask a judge if it can be looked at to determine the legality.
god had to give ramee adhd and strong dyslexia to balance his stats otherwhise who knows what he would be capable of
No..texting or writing on a book is no difference ..u still wrote the words either with ur fingers or a pen
This is is weird, because phones are just as locked as notebooks. There are no locks on phones in the city, so there shouldn't be a different standard for notebooks vs. phones.
sorry im abit late to this i spent too much time watching xqc's braindead rp 🤣 i never knew it could be this good besides randoml;y shooting cops and robbing just for the sake of robbing.
Do phones with no pass code need a warrant to search?
Lol all ramee had to say is it could've been a legal document
I don't know much about the legal system in GTARP, so honest question:
Do citizens in the city still have a reasonable right to privacy? Especially when the charges haven't been set(the book was read before his charges were finalized) and he ends up with misdemeanors instead of felonies?
data has to be digital, its not physical. ramee's confusing information with data
i feel like ramee could win mayoral election if he runs at some point in 4.0
Do all phones have a password? Can you turn them off? So if your phones password is off do they need a warrant? Id assume yes
If they check the book for something illegal can they read it and or use it as evidence?
The fact that the book ended up as the only thing the focus changed to and information in it based the PD interrogation on harry is a problem. And pretty sure no phones has a lock with codes
Crane is wrong here. What would Harry have been hiding in the book, based on his charges, that would’ve been relevant to the charges?
ramee should stop interrupting and getting worked up and swearing, it would make him sound more confident and worthy of a listen on these type of situations on the lawyer arc stuff
I love what he’s doing but Ramee is conflating data and information. The court needs to decide the digital distinction between the two before moving forward with this question.
Crims can just be smart and not carry around books full of information the cops or rival gangs could use
This guy's argument about a phone vs a book don't apply to warrants on properties.
Is he saying that cops should be allowed to search cars and trailers without warrants because you didn't protect it with a house like you did your data with a phone?
Do phones have locks on them? One of Crane’s thoughts is that you need a warrant to look in a phone because you have to unlock it, and that’s different from people running around with all their criminal activities in a book. But none of these phones are locked.
I believe he is comparing it to irl things because phones usually are locked in irl. They just don’t have it in the server.
they don't have codes in the game to open the phone . and that is something that would make this a win in court against the PD
Even if they had the code they would still need a warrant or consent because of privacy rules.
just put a notepad on the phone , done
Ramee should have said, if it has no relevance to the charge, theres no reason to open the book.. if they want to open the book in LS then they should require a subpoena
Yeah his wording isn't the best but crane is still picking up what he's putting down
@toxicflicks1928 he just rushes shxt I think.. he was asking for advice, then trying to hurry Crane to the conclusion or assuming he already knew what the conclusion was.. mind is thinking ten steps in advance 🤣..
crane did address that, and he said it didn't matter if it was relevant to the charge or not
@thebirdfromtwitter1249 yes that was Crane's opinion.. He agreed with Ramee and also gave Ramee the other end of the spectrum, which then prompted him to gather more opinions from other judges.. they both had good points of view
These guys have better legal chops than anyone working for Trump lmao
Nothing has changed on this server the cops and judges will slowly take players rights away from them with semantics and copsplaining 😂😂😂
i und that we trying to replicat reality but mfs should honstly start de separating reality from video games, the 2 is not the same! fun and entartainment should be in the front not reality above all else roleplay is there to enhance the game with the same idea objects, items and rules should be maid to enhance the game not ruin it and slap a thats how reality work stiker on it .
The reason why police can't go through phones is because giving the password is speech & you can't compel a person to speak the password out loud. The police do in fact have the right to try and crack the password on the phone though. This is the same as a combination safe. They can't force a person to give the combination but they can drill out the lock.
There are no passwords on the phone in los santos
A quick Google search would tell you that that's not true. They need a warrant to search a phone. They will still not be allowed to search a phone even if they have the code to get into it without a warrant or consent first. That law is about privacy not because a cop can't force someone to give them a code to a phone.
The phones have no locks on the server buddy, so would be classified under same "category" most likely. Data is Data
Writing or typing..isnt a difference..
ramee should sue under the Fourth Amendment and give the hypothetical that if the world doesn't have phones. the book would be acting as a "phone" to store information
sigh... Ramee is just trying to get his W and is reaaaallllllllyyy stretching. A phone, locked, you have a right to privacy because someone (cop or person) cant just open it and look thru it, its secured to protect your privacy. A book, or a note... his whole argument of it being folded/closed, omg, that argument is just like him, dumb af. A book, closed or open, a note, folded or not, can be picked up by anyone, and looked at, its NOT secured to protect your personal privacy. Him getting so belligerent over a folded piece of paper being secured because its folded vs a secured, locked, phone is just belligerent babble to try to get a W. Everything that goes against him getting his way is "just semantics" and all of his semantics that support his side are now valid.
This happens all the time... someone gets busted for one thing, and during the course of that happening, something else is found. Get pulled over for a busted headlight, cop sees a crack pipe in the floorboard, and gets hauled in for possession because it was in plain site. Now the crack pipe had nothing to do with a headlight out, but during the course, here it is.
The phone is not locked in Los Santos they can even remove the sim card from your phon and access all your texts and contacts. So what you said falls flat
phones arent locked tho??? this isnt real life
I know the phone isnt locked, and thats the point. Its treated that way for RP purposes and what can and cant be done "right now" in the server. Go get some sun lol
all that yapping to say absolutely nothing of substance
@@flyguygsm8544 so why books aren't treated locked too this is what ramee was arguing
Ramee think he a genius for nothing what he even tryn to do make it so he can walk around with a book of his crimes what a fool
What he's doing is pushing for the PD to not be able to interact with things unrelated to the reason of arrest and, if they did, to not be able to switch the entire reason of the arrest into something else entirely.
If that book is a cute little diary with a heart shaped lock on it, it should be fine for crims to carry that because a locked diary is just as much of a measure of privacy as a locked phone. Besides Ramee has try whatever option he has to defend his client Harry, that’s not being a fool that’s just doing his job as a defense attorney
@@knee.co.8338 honestly that would be a good compromise game mechanics wise, making a distinction between locked books and unlocked books would make it more worth for crims to use books
Better to be silent and let people think you are dumb than open your mouth and proving them correct
@@knee.co.8338 But if going with this logic they would always take the phone as its on the person just as much and no lock with code exist and all Data within it would be like the the book in this situation
If we're making an Argumentum Ad Los Santos, then surely the argument is "Phones aren't actually locked. They are technically in the same level of plain view as the notebook" and "They don't sell notebooks that you can lock like you could irl - which would need a subpoena irl". Ramee could pick up someone else's phone and go through it without needing an unlock code as a Crim. If I understand the technicals of the server correctly, The Police pretend phones are locked and hold up the pretence of a subpoena when in actuality, they could just go through them without needing a code, they could do the same and treat all notebooks as "locked" and requiring of a subpoena, or treat all cellphones as "unlocked" and go through them.
So say a cop happened to look at a phone screen and it had a picture of a dead body as the background, is that enough grounds for him to start snooping then and there? No, he'd still need a Subpoena unless he could somehow get exigent circumstances to unlock it. Also "You can't hide things in the pages of a book in Los Santos" this is not possible physically. There are things that they do that try to mimic IRL laws, but the fact a notebook is just as plainview as the phone in this universe means Ramee's arguments do hold some level of weight.
Next person to be caught with incriminating notebook: /me *notebook is cute diary with heart shaped lock binding it shut* so there’s a layer of privacy stopping PD from checking it just like their phones
Slacks: detcord it.