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Orcs, who were originally added into fantasy by Tolkein (who openly stated he despised allegory), were stated to be a corrupted form of another type of being, elves. They were literally to be an incarnation of evil and corruption, they were not meant to be derived from a real world equivalent, which, I'll reiterate again, Tolkein went out of his way to avoid.
@@AMenacingCloudofBlackPeople do you have any font to confirm that? I never heard it anywhere beyond some pointing the most superficial physical similarity, which could also be made to some indigenous people.
@@Rihcterwilker I think there's a letter from Tolkien where he made that comparison. Honestly, I think the idea of orcs being a corrupted race comes from Christianity and how lives marred by sin results in abominations. But I'm no expert on Tolkien, so I could be wrong.
@@Rihcterwilker He based them personality wise on Mongol invaders like Genghis Khan brutish war hungry savages that's really it with the Mongol comparison besides the fact people like to say that because of the physical similarities Tolkien picked to make orcs look ugly he's saying Mongols are ugly cause he based them personality wise on them
@@bashamd96 Tolkien hated allegory and I'm beginning to see why
when you think the dwarves represent Jews because their short and love gold then your just projecting
your own biases on a fictional character
@@reynellfreeman8761 Weren’t dwarfs used as a racial propaganda against jews in ww2?
That moment when you realize that conflating Orcs with Blacks is exactly what the nazis did back in day when LotR first came out and Tolkien went out and said "No, you're being stupid."
Iirc orcs if they could be more closely compared to a real human group isnt a particular race but the group of the huns, who were known for their conquest, murder, and destruction they brought from what I remember.
Yeah despite Tolkien having Orcs in appearance look like Mongol raiders (for that matter why do people defend those particular people despite Mongols like Ghengis Khan being mass murderers? Not Mongolians in general but the Mongol raiders from ancient times?) but his other discussions and writings show that his Orcs are a metaphor more of the human condition and bloodthirst. He described soldiers and officiers he met during both World Wars as being Orcs. In his scrapped sequel for Lord of the Rings he had Orcs and people glorifying and playing as them to be a thinly veiled allegory for Nazis and Neo Nazis.
"Of the orcs, the Uruk-Hai are described as "black and a smaller orc, a tracker, is described as "black-skinned". All orcs are often described as "slant-eyed" and the Uruk-Hai at least refer to the Rohirrim as 'white skins.' In Letter 210, Tolkien described Orcs as "...squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes; in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types"
Whilst humans in fantasy stories, are depicted as 'normal', medieval Europeans, particularly with Tolkien. Tolkien based this on pseudo-science and based it on real life races. It doesn't really diminish that it's kind of racist and alot of people base their fantasy works on Tolkien's works and the format of races from Tolkien without question.
@@rokka7188 Found the extra credits writer who wrote that video
@@nbewarwe No, but trying to clear up misinformation about Tolkien and so on. Thanks for bringing up a good faith argument.
18:00 Fun Fact: if your history teacher never showed you this scene or explained it, the “German” soldiers surrendering here are actually Czech Soldiers forced to serve in the German army, so nice touch adding that scene
That's the one scene where all ANTIFA supporter would unanimously applause at. Killing soldiers who are already surrendering, and not caring if they were forcefully conscripted, all because of their association with the WW2 German, sometimes not even the Nazi itself.
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@@Acueil I think that's a little disingenuous. I can certainly agree that there would be people who (especially not knowing the context) would cheer or justify it in someway. But I doubt the any of those people who would learn about the context would have the same reaction the second time. Because you know, it's a war crime
@@sportspro2.049 Nah, seeing them harrassing a veteran who was just minding their own business, blocking his way, and kicking on his bicycle tire while screaming "Nazi" on their face, one the ANTIFA member even tried to stab him, is enough to convince anyone that they don't care about context.
@@Acueil certainly what they did was wrong, and I am one of the many people who don't like ANTIFA, but I would be lying if I said EVERY SINGLE MEMBER was especially that violent.
"Remember, 'demon' can be an offensive term. Refer to them as 'mortally challenged!'"
Thank you DOOM Eternal for that gem of a line. And also for the amazing beat to beat gameplay and nice story.
Lol, love the joke from Doom Eternal. It’s made all the more funnier when you learn that demon can be traced to the Ancient Greek word Daimon which means “deity, genius” or modern context intelligent ones.
@@chadsmith8966 does that mean that is current usage has anti-intellectual origins?
@ that is actually a pretty good question. I would say no. The term demon currently means Evil Spirit which could be another indicator to take them seriously. Most folkloric tales involving demons portray them as very smart and manipulative. I've never come across a story where a demon was an idiot.
The meaning of the word might have changed... somewhat, but the interpretation has remained the same. A smart (and dangerous) ethereal being.
@ Nah, it's just early Christianity had this "quirk" where it tried to integrate older traditions and mythologies into itself (Christmas is a combination of Yule and Saturnalia, for example), and if they couldn't, they vilified them. There are quite a few examples, such as Baal becoming Beelzebub, so taking the concept of daemons and twisting it into something evil to keep the believers away from the older religions would be par for the course.
"If you play WW2 game and spawn as a German then you are Nazi"
- Extra Credit
"Hitler breathes air, you breath air, therefore you are Nazi"
- Also Extra Credit
Fake outrage only when you can benefit from it. Policy of hypocrites like ECs
Nazis drink water. You drink water. CoInCiDeNcE??
-your brain on Extra Credits
Perhaps. The possibility of me being a German during WW2 and then being reborn as a 20 odd year old Englishman is not completely impossible.
This is a miss representation, I don't agree with them though.
They really went from "You didn't ask for this" to "It's morally acceptable to shoot Nazis because they chose to be Nazis"...
I blame “Bright” for this nonsense, which literally did “Orcs are black people.” This conversation didn’t occur until that movie happened.
Oh grief, I hated Bright. Its world building is awful.
It's been a conversation for a while, but I'll agree it wasnt quite as prevalent until Bright released.
I'm still wondering how they're equated to black people in bright, other than just the superficial note, when actual black people still exist in that movie. That pretty much makes the argument non existent since orcs aren't black people since there are ACTUAL black people right in front of them.
Hell, the main character is Will Smith
Bright was also a terrible fuckin' movie to start with sooo.
@@cybercritic8834 It's called a parallel, sure orcs aren't literally black people in the movie but they way they were treated in the movie were similar to black struggles. (I'm not going into specifics because I don't have Netflix)
"When I look at an orc, I see a black person" - I dunno Hitler probably... oh wait it was Extra Credits
Also the Nazis though lol
@@elgatochurro Funny enough I think the Nazi's actually thouggt that the Orcs were meant to be blacks and jews...
I watched that video, and that's not how it came off as at all.
@@elgatochurro And other white supremacists, journalists, and more. Let's take a look at some choice quotes, shall we?
"The worst depictions of the Japanese drawn by American and British illustrators during World War II." - David Ibata on Orcs
"By design and intention a northern European's paranoid caricature of the races he has dimly heard about." - Jenny Turner on Orcs
"Do I think orcs are racist? Yes, but with an asterisk." - Scott Gladstein (enabling bullcrap) on Orcs
"D&D's orcs are racist caricatures. This is a bad thing and should not continue." - Tristan Tanner (possible pseudonym) on Orcs in a blog post that's potentially outdated
"In fiction, even telling the story from the dark hordes’ PoV, or explaining why they’re so… orcish… doesn’t change the fact that they’re an amalgamation of stereotypes." - N. K. Jemisin on Orcs
"D&D Must Grapple With the Racism in Fantasy
. And getting rid of it will take a lot of work." - Cecilia D'anastasio
" As scholars such as Helen Young have discussed in detail, Orcs in Middle-Earth are frequently coded as Black and shown to be irredeemable.." - Christina Warmbrunn
"“It’s hard to miss the repeated notion in Tolkien that some races are just worse than others, or that some peoples are just worse than others.” - Andy Duncan
"Not a lot of people know this, but J.R.R. Tolkien deliberately created orcs from the worst Asian stereotypes of his day." - Fay Onyx
"Using the word ‘race’ in the game where they really mean something more like ‘species’ promotes racist ideas.” - Paul B. Sturtevant on D&D
"Creators must take care to not thoughtlessly place POC narratives within the genre, however, - that’s how one ends up with racist caricatures like orcs." - Ruqiya Barreh
I'm guessing there's at least a few names in there that you recognize.
@@Xo-3130 and tolkein said that was dumb too (although some ppl here are saying he based them off the mongol raiders)
That broken robot Rhonda and Tabitha reunion is way more wholesome then it has any reason to be.
Yeah, before Rod Howard started giving the fanbases of their properties the shaft.
@@HenshinFanatic say what you want about bethesda's writing but the one thing that i liked about FO4's story was how it inverted the topic of race when it came to the synths.
@@xsoultillerxI still argue FO4 is still a fun action game on it's own. But as an rpg, it was disappointing.
@@xsoultillerx
Gross
@@xsoultillerx I don't know if you actually looked deeply at the quests in that game and the writing but it is presented alright and occasionally nuanced but it mostly makes the Institute out to be the more kind seeming with the least nasty NPCs even though their goals to help synths are goofy. Or how other NPCs react to them is silly and contrived like how Maxson asks you to kill Danse and if you do kill Danse then Maxson doesn't show up to ensure you did. If you refuse Maxson appears out of nowhere to confirm. And the Railroad is pretty on the nose.
Mr. Enter once said: "Games can do better. I am not sure Extra Credits can." Turns out, no they can`t.....
One of the few thing Enter said right
@@koichidignitythief7429 Mr. Enter... now that's a name I have not heard in a long time... a long time...
I tried a couple of his videos. I'd rather put pumpernickel in my ears.
@@viscountrainbows6452 His Extra Credits two-parter was good, but yeah, he's a real mixed bag...
Its sad that EC went from being a somewhat reliable resource to a bunch of woke tards with their heads so far up their own asses that they can smell last week's avocado toast
Extra Credits never learned. They still think gamers can't think for themselves and have to be coddled by developers. Just like any other for of entertainment, viewers hate ham-fisted story telling. It's why many movies of late have terrible reception from the audience.
Also, literally no one compares black people to orcs except those who claim it's a problem. These people are creating problems so they can look like saints. They have a savior complex.
(insert witty yet insiteful comment about White Saviour trope here)
*Me reading Harry Potter as a kid:* Wow, goblins are bankers, a well respected profession in modern society instead of being relegated to simple monsters? What an interesting and novel idea! How very cool, to take what is usually presented as completely evil and show them as normal productive members of society!
*People who think everything must be an allegory for racism today:* Ermuhgerd, the gawblins is racist jew stand-ins!!!!!!1!one
Wow it's almost like if you approach something assuming bigotry you'll see bigotry and if you approach it with a more open mind you won't.
We don't talk about Extra Credit in this household anymore.
So in other words; freedom speech and discussing viewpoints is a crime!
@@ulfberht4431 ‘Tis but a joke
@@ulfberht4431 In a private residence, it can be! Freedom of speech applies to public spaces, private residences and businesses may restrict that right. It's why you can have a place that has a rule of "hate speech will not be tolerated" despite there being freedom of speech. So yeah! As long as you live under this guy's roof, you'll live by their rules.
@@rozzbourn
And why shouldn’t we? I really don’t like that because there’s just so many problems with that mindset.
@@phantomtrak6007
Snarky attitude aside, I know it’s a joke. I was joking too.
But let’s pretend for a moment that he wasn’t joking, can we stop using the “it’s just a joke, don’t criticise me” excuse. Because by that logic, I can say the most unfunny joke with the worst punchline and no one is allowed to comment or tell me how bad it is (or even how to improve on it) because jokes cannot be criticised. Does that mean I can say the most tasteless joke ever and no one can tell me how bad it was? Think about that.
Again, I know he was joking, but keep in mind what I’m saying
Kamen: "I'll do a video if I get $300 on my Ko-Fi"
someone: *gives Kamen $300 on his Ko-Fi*
Kamen: *surprised pikachu face*
Gotta admire the guts
He asked for it
And it happened twice.
Two things I have to say on the issue:
1. I'm of the belief that there needs to be a "hate sink" species so that players who want to go on a killing frenzy without feeling bad can do so.
2. The same people who say "don't call orcs evil just because of their species" have zero qualms with calling people like me the nastiest things if they disagree with me, and will even justify the nasty things they say as being "morally right".
I've been cooking up a D&D campaign for some time now, centering around an evil play style. The party is mostly evil, but has to work with the overly zealous Goody Two-Shoes Church in order to save the world from another threat. But both sides are out for world domination, the party is only helping so evil can win, and "Good" will prevail if the church wins.
@@Squiggles01 Sounds fun!
Yeah I used to love Extra Credits, but MAN they seem so set on becoming a completely unreliable source
@Al X. Andra Because progressives are hypocrites. They regurgitate the same talking points as the rich they claim to hate.
@@1685Violin not the OG’s like Teddy Roosevelt
Same.
It's the new guy. He's the one coming up with these shitty takes that contradict the Old Extra Credits and HIMSELF.
@@koichidignitythief7429 gotcha, those views and opinions didn’t feel like they were there earlier as someone who’s watched for years
“Orcs remind me of Black People.” - Extra Credits
- Said no gamer ever
- said no sane person ever
@@specialgamer0072 yes, extra credits
@@voxpopuli7910 it's not just Extra Credits, there are also people who think like Extra Credits. They're also insane
I wonder which one is the racist?
The ones who are telling others Orcs do not represent black people, or the ones who even drew up that comparison in the first place?
Extra credits has fallen so much from when it was a good channel
This all boils down to the debunked narrative that: violence in video games lead to real world violence.
Or even worse by EC’s own logic: playing as Nazis in games makes you a Nazi by default.
Crono Sapien “yOU dIdN’t ASk fOr tHAt”
Woke people have ruined extra credits and I stopped watching them years ago because they went from champions of video games to woke killjoys that tells you you're a Nazi if you play as a Nazi in a video game
This wasnt a rant this was an incredibly intelligent counter argument
You didn’t ask for this, you didn’t choose this. But HERE IT IS.
Ha.
Never thought Extra Credits would be a hotpoint of tea 😯
Hidden tea
They already were with their Nazi videos
@@jesusagelvis4917
Or even further back with them talking about "Running out of internet" and most of their history videos needing corrections, which are titled "Lies".
The funniest part is when he brings up 40K of all things and claims the Imperium of man are the good guys and misses the point of 40k that everybody is terrible and the Imperium of man is certinally not the good guys. He even brings up Necrons which are basically evil zombie robots who will basically destroy anyone they come across except on a few occassions they may help *only* if it benefits them.
I would like to get a webcast/twitch cast of EC running a DND game where every scene has to include the moral ideology and deep backstory of every single npc.
the thing between miss Tabitha and Rhonda the robot was gold for new vegas
Your content has been amazing recently I can't get enough.
Some game needs moral dilemmas and nuances like how some food needs vinegar and pepper, some food needs it to be better while others just don't.
plus it also depends on individual taste
I remember watching these guys. I’m actually glad that I stopped especially after that Nazi video they did. I remember the first video I watched being on the 2011 Sony Computer Hack.
Yup. I once LOVED their videos but after that video and other recent ones, unsubscribing for good is the best decision I'd made.
I subscribed for Dan (the high pitched guy), so once Dan left, I unsubscribed
@@mosti72 Same.
Extra Credits is leaning a bit too much on the extra in their name with the ironic generalizations and the like.
I'd love to see them try to explain that the Orcs from Warhammer 40K aren't ,,evil" or not all of them are blood thirsty hulking green mountains of muscles.
Yay. He linked Appabend and Casual Philosophy.
Gotta give Extra Credit a medal for his mental gymnastics. Even Extra Credit knows how flawed and stupid his ideology is, so he does his best to phrase it in a way that makes him seem smart and a moral intellectual. When even a five year old could easily deconstruct his argument.
Nuance is good... if not overblown and everywhere.
You can enjoy Tabitha or Marcus since they are an odd element in equation. Especially Tabitha with the general idea of Nightkin being grafted with stealth boys and generally created especially to be a stealth boy users - which in long term proved to be faulty. EC seems to claim it as a bad writing as 'all Nightkin were literally created to eradicate or assimilate humanity and their very nature leads to inevitable schizophrenic mental deficiencies, paranoia and enhanced aggression' - but here lies the problem - NO. Nightkin in F:NV are interesting since we can see multiple ways they deal with their general issues and their ability to potentially (at times) even overcome them in one way or another, despite said issues still being there to haunt them.
Had we been going EC route - then even idea of Super Mutants being bigger, stronger and immune to radiation and illnesses would be already 'lazy idea', despite it being a very reason for their creation and thus enforced general characteristic of species.
Same way orcs, trolls, dragonborn, undead etc - all do have some inherent racial raison d'être as to origin of their creation and evolution. Those are their defining characteristics which make them differ from humans.
There is that weird tendency in newcomers in RPG community to basically make EVERYONE human in a way as any form of general racial distinction is apparently bigoted (no matter that we often speak about fully different species or entities!)
My big problem with EC is that he proposed that instead of one 'lazy idea' he proposed an alternative that is even more of a lazy and flawed idea - which many, many people already pointed out. I would rant for way too long trying to bring all the reasons why but let's sum it up in: no, not everyone just wearing particular uniform or insignia deserves to die by the default, and you have to be a psycho to assume such thing.
0:20 It really bugs me how the guy says "Menevolent," not "Malevolent"
3:15 To debunk EC's whole argument, think about how these unfair standards would be applied to super Mario. I'll give you 5 seconds... pretty stupid ain't it? Unless you guys really wanna say KoopaLivesMatter
Well, to be fair, the koopas are not an evil race: many games throughout the Mario series have shown they can be quite friendly when not in fighting mode. You just fight them because most of the time they are at war with the Mushroom Kingdom.
A better example would be the Shroobs, from Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time. Those are what you would call an evil race, to the point the only word the regular ones ever say is “destroy”. And that’s not a bad thing, especially if it makes for a serious and legitimate threat. In the words of Joshscorcher, “more than deserving to be the darkest Mario moment, for perfectly depicting an absolute evil”.
@@PMbarbieri fair enough, but i think you get what i mean. The point is is that their standards for mob villains in games are just too strict, especially towards games that are just designed for fun gameplay.
thanks for bringing up
Casual Philosophy, i loved his response and it is good that you checked it out as well
ah the joys of watching extra history and not knowing any of this exists
Oh boy I have a person I work with that believes this but constantly uses double speak to justify there beliefs
"A Nazi uniform is a signifier of evil, but through choosing to be so."
So did Extra Credits just forget the Hitler Youth was a thing, or...?
Elves haven’t solely been the good guys since...well probably D&D. The Orcs haven’t been solely bad guys for a while now as well, however there generally is a bit of a rift between them and other races for various reasons. Demons as the go-to for evil races because that’s generally the case of real world mythology. Appearances are down to perception, so a race can be ugly to us and probably aren’t ugly to themselves.
I’m not sure if this Extra Credit has made me the angriest or if it was the WW2 one, but I’m mad. Sure evil races can be a little lazy in regards to writing, because you don’t have to expand upon the bad guys much when you can just “it’s just what they are”. However they work as a good foundation that can be expanded on, and can give a game/plot a head-start. Frankly if a person equates fictional races to real life, that’s their problem.
Just when I thought that Extra Credits couldn't be so much lower, they just had to bring up the ''Orcs are blacks'' bullshit.
and somewhere in an alternate universe there is a elf youtube channel discussing their video game mechanics on how they should stop portraying lions as evil
Well first of all if you look at orcs and instantly think "black people" the issue is you.
Second, humans have, universally, specific biological urges and leanings. Whether they be sexual, emotional, etc. Who's to say other sapient species would have those same leanings and inclinations. White people and black people only differ i the colour of their skin but are otherwise biologically the same, both human. A human and an orc are biologically different and so those biological leanings won't be the same or work i the same ways. And since we have no other sapient species that we know of to compare to there's no reaso to think another *species* couldn't be inclined towards a specific moral alignment.
I still have to say the biggest mistake in that video was bringing up warhammer 40k at all in it.
They were already kicking a hornet's nest.
Bringing up 40k was just plunging their face into the nest and blowing raspberries at the hornets.
Hey Kamen, starting watching your videos love them, keep it up❤ & i apologize that this comment has nothing to do with the vid, i have been wandering, do you think you might do a video on the Kamen Rider franchise? both the manga & the toku series, I just feel it's very underrated in the English market.
Imagine playing Super Mario and pondering whether that fucking Goomba is an enemy or just a friendly NPC...
Stereotypes ARE okay. and more often than not they are at worst, exaggerations of actual truths. stereotype is a useful way to start the process of making choices. because often there are just FAR too many to process and fully calculate one at a time. so using stereotype to filter your options is an incredibly helpful time saving tool. where the problems arise is when your entire thought processes begin and end with exclusively stereotype, utilizing zero other factors. to say stereotypes are "at least partially true most of the time" is not the same as saying "stereotypes are completely true all of the time" and it's that distinction that needs to be addressed. it's a flawed idea that ever using any stereotype for any reason is always wrong. there is nuance even in this.
I agree. Sterotypes are only sterotypes because they originate from reality. If say "gamer", I am not exactly going to complain when people think "teenage boy that scream gamerwords on voicechat to random people" as that is what happened in the Xbox Live days.
Extra Credits has this Black and White perspective that specific species or race are evil because for the sake of evil. Even though most Medieval Fantasy themes and story give a lot of depth as to why a specific species are “bad”.
Goblin Slayer: Goblins are portrayed evil by the main-protagonist, but in the first episode we discover that Goblins rape women because there are no female goblins. So they aren’t just harming because “they want to”, but it’s simply because they are biologically programmed to survive whatever means necessary.
BNA: As it’s not really clear, Humans fear beastmen because if they are emotionally unstable they can become dangerous, thus explaining why they want to make a “beastmen vaccine” to literally biologically exterminate beastmen. Sure, it’s literally evil and eugenics text book 101, but their reason behind it is understandable.
Skyrim: Imperials vs Stormcloak, this is by far the most bizarre way to introduce 2 ideologues by making the Stormcloak seem like the good side and the rebellion and the Imperials the fascist tyranny. You never got the chance to understand both sides of their political views at the start of the game, because what reason do you have to listen to the Imperial that almost chopped your head-off? PLUS, when you first enter Solitude, the Imperial Capital of Skyrim, the first thing you witness is the crowed witnessing the executioner chopping off a thief’s head, which gives more reason to NOT join the imperial.
Every time I encounter a slime / Chu Chu in BOTW they try to kill me. They seem all the same from my experience.
Extra credits deserves there extra credits to be taken away
Morality is subjective to how you grew up.
We are the evil guys in the bad guys story because we're the opposite of them.
The DOOM example is perfect, you're not locked in a room with them. They're locked in a room with you.
Characterizing *fictional* races isnt always bad and I agree that execution matters. So yeah they can have different roles no matter what.
Something,like this was brought up in Danganronpa, Ultra Despair Girls, where in witch the members of The Warriors Of Hope, bar one (Monaca Towa) paint all the adults as Demons due to their horrible past brought on to them by their equally horrible parents, and the adults paint the children as Demons, due to their actions even the brainwashed children who had the Monokuma helmets on thier heads, and due to the said brainwashing their actions weren't thier own, anywho the point is this very topic was brought up in that game.
Just wait until Extra Credits finds out about Koopa Troopas in the mainline Mario games
I can actually think of a situation in which some race is programmed a certain alignment.
The chromatic and metallic dragons from DnD.
Due to how they were created by there Gods they can only be evil and good respectively.
Yeah, but while each color of dragon has a broad personality and beliefs, they are still individuals. You can make complicated individuals within the bounds of their race's nature, such as a white dragon who, while animalistic and brutal, will let the party of adventurers pass in exchange for food or a big pretty item. This is why I'm confused why EC says it's "bad game design"
@@Landmassorussia People tend to think free will means you can't fundamentally be bad or good. Actually, you can. An evil dragon for instance could in a situation choose either a pragmatic approach in doing something we'll consider good for a long term goal or as a way to be owned a favor down the line. Or they can just go the overtly evil path.
I used to watch Extra Credits a few years ago before they had the new guy. This is what its turned into? Like, I'm legitimately sad about this
Extra Credits is just turning into Extra Bullshit at this point.
This are the same guys who say that we shouldn't play/ask for any kind of Axis/Central Powers campaing on shooters...
How do these people exist? If you see a fantasy race as a representation of a real life race that says more about you than it says about the people making the game stop looking at everything through the lens of race.
I really laughed at his example of warhammer 40k since there is no good in that world every faction is either fucked up or morally grey.Heck he even said that the imperium of man is good since they have a choice when in reality they don't.Since every soldier is literally created and modified for war and they were also fed propaganda that the imperium of man is good and all who doesn't believe im what they believe is bad or heretics.Which just makes me scratch my head.Heck most of the enemies in the games do those things based on their choice or it's just their nature
See it's funny. I nor anyone I know have ever had any of the issues brought up in the video.
18:19 I find this hilarious because I actually bought the zenomorph skin in fortnite just so I can do dumb stuff like a dabbing alien.
7:40 the more i learn about projection
THE CREEPIER THAT SHET SOUNDS
There you are playing your fantasy game and all of a sudden, you're an orc.
You never asked for this. You didn't chose this.
Alright guys, we can't make zombies video games/books/movies anymore because it insult the dead. We can't make video games/books/movies with characters with super powers, because it may insult people with a genetic problem. We can't make Simulator games, because it may hurt someone of that profession. And the list goes on, to the infinite and beyond.
ExtraCredit did it bois, 'racism' is no more.
Ironic how people who accuse fantasy races, like Orcs, of being racist, are just showing that they feel like Real Life Races are so similar to them, that people would GENUINELY confuse the two.
Like Extra Credits compared an ORC to a black person in one of their pictures, when saying that "All members of one race being evil, might make people think that in real life".
Extra Credits has been shit for so long. I can't believe I grew up loving the series, before it nose dived.
Extra credits: "all orcs bad, all elves good"
Dark elves: am I a joke to you?
The Eberron Orks have something to say about "all evil orks" as well, beeing essential to saving that world and stuff (and the first eberron edition is almost 20 years old)
I hate how orcs and dark skinned humans are compared by these ignorant critics.
"Don't Fuck with this Senator"
Man I used to love this show with the high-pitched narrator. Glad he’s not directly associated with these guys now...
Extra credit soundin like lily orchard with his argument
Both are pretentious trash thinking they're smart because they can talk.
@@ChiefMedicPururu not just that it's also the way he phrases his sentences in a I'm right and your wrong tone.
@@Crimsonrosso Well, technically, it's "she" for Lily but your point is correct.
@@ChiefMedicPururu oh right
Ok so it’s official this is the Nazi video sequel
Killing a inherently bad species : bad. Kill another human judging on his uniform : good. Wow...
Why do they assume that different biological categories can have inherently different physical qualities, but that they cannot have inherently different mental or spiritual qualities as well?
"Can be harmful to real world groups that are regularly mischaracterized as ugly, warlike and malevolent."
If your first thought is "this videogame race's behavior resembles this real life demographic...HEY THAT'S RACIST!" it would seem that you have projected your own internal flaws onto the medium and it is not the developer with whom the fault lies.
As Loki so famously told Black Widow from his prison cell, "You brought the monster here."
I sent only $12 to help out but really glad to see an episode I helped to fund 😁luv ya manga keep making great vids
The most offensive thing about Extra Credits' entire video was how many times they drew Orks with boobs.
"All orcs bad, all elves good"
Warhammer 40k, where the Elves (Eldar and Dark Eldar) and Orcs (Orks) are both bad: lol
I spent the video waiting for a Goomba or a Koopa to show up with a sign pointing to it saying "This is racist"
the issue is that they are seemingly several decades behind the popculture they are trying to critique, and that many of there arguments claiming racism are the actual racism.
EC: You shouldn't write a spiecies as being all evil
Me: But can they though? What if an alien race **can** be born evil? That's terrifying and worth exploring. How can you reason with such a creature whose only motivation is to do unspeakable acts of evil to you?
Extra Sophistry.
so far the only good extra credits is doing is having history videos about people i didnt know about
4:08 Yu-Gi-Oh?
DO
NOT
DARE, Token Troop!
Thank you AngelRin89 for funding this you rock, thanks for covering it mangakamen. Was wondering how you'd rip into his bs vid.
Great job! I agree with you 100%.
This video had courage me to finish my novel even more now. (Writing it for fun. And sharing it to the world lol)
Extra Credits lost their way after the "Video Game Create N4zis" video.
Dammit extra credits was actually fucking good early on
Jason bright probably doesn't know what the nightkin are or what they are called. Thus why he refers to them as "demons"
I love how moral nuances are completely skipped over for people who wear Nazi uniforms.
Wearing the uniform is not a choice for rank-and-file German soldiers, or even German officers.
Many German officers even opposed the Party's war and staged a failed coup to end the war. I bet you remember this from History class too - Operation Valkyrie.
Jesus tap dancing christ they didn't learn from last time!?
Thank you so much for making this video ❤
There will always be the idea that a certain species/race etc. doesn't act like the others (Good Orc/Demon, Evil Elf/Angel) I think about the quote in Goblin Slayer ("There might be a good goblin if you looked hard enough") it just depends whether or not that matters in the context of the story and/or gameplay.
Boy, EC really fell off a cliff ever since Dan left, huh?
6:27
Yeah, they sure do say that *directly*
But every fucking research paper that goes out that studies (usually personality disorders), goes against all the proof they use to say it isn't real
if you look into who james is... well he's interesting to say the least
They tried to be all philosophical and stuff, but missed out on an important detail. Good and evil are SUBJECTIVE. Action in itself is neutral. When orcs pillage and burn villages then the villagers might see it as evil, while the orcs won't. In their mind they are doing the good thing by following their code of honor, pleasing their gods, furthering their warlord's goals, etc.. People simply act, only if their actions are looked upon by someone with a differing moral view they can seem "evil".
But really, does anyone here know somebody that actually draws the connection between evil fantasy races and real life peoples? I mean, wtf? The people who want to draw these connections are racist to start with and in all my years of loving LOTR, even before I started to get itnerested into politics and social issues, I never, NEVER, thought to compare these hideous creatures called "orcs" to any group in the real world. These people WANT to see connections. And that is racist.
I just like Extra History because they can't really change anything and even post videos that are like 20 minutes or more where they fact check themselves. If the rest of the channel was that good then it'd be a phenomenal channel.
So bit of criticism: can you do something about your audio levels? Getting severe whiplash with parts being painfully loud and then having to turn the audio back up to understand what's being said
Statistical differences do exist between broad groups. Just because they are useless in assessing individuals because of the amount of overlap (except physical gender strength gap which is so dramatic it has almost no overlap) doesnt make them fake
Extra Credits used to be good under the original founder, but ever since this guy came along it’s been politically correct dogshit
Even then the channel has went downhill, remember them trying to trying to portray Hatred and Call Of Juarez:The Cartel as games with awful messages despite those games Being so gritty that it’s silly.
Used to have good history now its woke BS promoting planned parenthood
I like how Extra Credits just chose beholders as a innately evil creature. They just dont understand how reality works.