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I feel like nobody has a problem with it until their team loses to one with a worse record. I personally like how unsuspecting teams are able to make a push. It makes it interesting how any team can break out. Edit: To those pointing out how the 162 game season means less by allowing more teams in, that’s actually a valid point. Just because a team barely makes wild card and then gets hot at the right time doesn’t necessarily mean they deserve to be there. I left this comment right when the video came out before even watching it and did not expect a whole debate below it haha
Playoff baseball is obviously special for some reason, so increasing the number of games is a good thing. You just can't have 162 also, it's too many games period. I hate how long and pointless the regular season is. Sick of seeing the Dodgers win 105 games only to get bounced by some inferior team. Cut it back to 144 and then you can expand the postseason a little bit further still. The 3-game series are kind of stupid imo.
@@guyincognito320If the Dodgers are so good they shouldn’t be getting bounced by an “inferior” team Maybe they should get their shit together in October instead of blaming it on a playoff format
@@MidnightScoutThat's such horseshit it's amazing. They did get it together. All season. Which is why they're the #2. But we've got clowns like you who think 5 games means more than 162.
I guarantee you if a big market team like the yankees went on a run as a wild card like the rangers or diamondbacks, we wouldn't be seeing the media suddenly questioning the playoff format and calling it unfair.
That used to be me, but the channels you listed single-handedly got me WAY more into baseball than I ever was the NFL. This year I’ve watched exactly ONE NFL game. I’ve stopped following football almost entirely at this point. Baseball is just the superior, more entertaining sport in every single way.
One part of this I don't get at all is why MLB doesn't put all the playoff games in prime time. Are they really so interested in the mega-fan who's going to sit down and watch the entire quadruple-header on a Tuesday that they're willing to accept a fairly high probability that fans who have full-time jobs might be unable to catch _any_ of the games in their team's postseason run?
they had 4 games on one day, they didn't want to put all 4 games on at 7 and 8 o'clock so they spaced them out at 2 o'clock, 4:30, then 7:00, then 8:00
No one cares about Baseball enough to warrant networks putting it in primetime slots. There's better content for that that'll actually be watched by wider audiences.
In the Ray's defense, the first playoff game of the season was scheduled at 3pm on a weekday. They were screwed from the start on attendance. Speaking from my experience, most of my coworkers were pissed they missed going to the game and also couldn't even watch the broadcast cause we were all AT WORK. I know a few people that bought tickets before they announced the time, and then ended up getting a refund cause they couldn't miss work. Just poor timing on MLB's part. Kinda unfair to Rays and Rangers fans :/
Also a huge factor in appearing to look so empty was opening the 300s without knowing our timeslot. This spread out the 19k (myself included) horribly, for no good or real reason.
@@eyeofhorus99 reminder it's TAMPA BAY not Tampa :) they play in St Pete, and I'm not making excuses I made it to both games. There's no good will towards the 20k people who did make it happen lmfao.
Due to this channel and a few others, my love for baseball returned. So much so, that I decided to watch my former team, the Atlanta Braves and see what all the fuss was about. Four games later they were out. So thanks for reminding me how much hurt my Braves used to give me. Too bad I didn't see them win the world series a few years ago. This channel is awesome.
As a Tampa native I keep having to tell everyone it's not that we dont care. It's that we aren't even in the same vicinity as our team. There's only 2 bridges that are packed constantly connecting st pete and tampa. You literally gave to plan your entire day around getting to the park. I live in Tampa and im 1.5 hours from the stadium 😢
@ryanchase9332 location is definitely everything. We (the Rockies) have arguably one of the worst owners, awful product on the field, but because we have one of the most easily accessible stadiums because of our public rail whose hub is right in front of the stadium. We'll always have fans in the stands assuming the weather isn't shit.
Lmk when the stadium gets moved. Traffic is an issue. I'm a drays lifer but never lived in Tampa, and even I know this. Its f-ing annoying bro. No one understands how much of an issue just getting into and out of the stadium is. That's the #1 reason why we have such shitty numbers in the stands.
@@ryanchase9332cheap and constantly the best or one of the best teams in baseball. Amazing that someone would even consider critiquing arguably the best franchise in NA sports.
I live here and I'd rather go to St. Pete than Ybor, you gotta be kidding right? Last time I counted there are three bridges crossing over from Tampa and another coming from the South. Also St. Pete isn't on an island.
A 1 game playoff and a 3 game regular series is insane to me... especially after 162 games. I was so hyped for the Brewers.. they looked like such a complete team and it meant absolutely nothing 💔
I'm fine with the super short series for the Wild Card round (and would actually even prefer the one game single elimination format to the three there), but I don't want teams who win their division to get subjected to the super short series. So yeah, it's crazy that the Brewers didn't even get a chance to play in the LDS round despite clearly being the best team in their division and winning more games than any of the teams left in the playoffs. I want shorter series for team who get in as Wild Card (exposing them to the randomness) and longer series for the division winners.
@@MatthewGross87that's the reward you get for ending with the best or 2nd best record. The Brewers and Twins won weak divisions and ended with the same or less wins than some of the wildcard teams.
They had a best of 3 series (2 games possibly 3)and choked. I'm a brewers fan and was there (unlike you) and I was hurt but not once blamed the format. They have choked for years. I've seen it before. Anyone that starts out a comment with the phrase that ends with "is crazy" is a complete dumbass
12 fucking teams in the God damn playoffs after 162 fucking games is insane to me. You play 162 mother fucking games and they punish the best teams by shitting all over their momentum and then let in mediocre clubs who can just get hot at the right time.
you should also take into account that Florida got smacked with hurricanes this year. I'm sure a lot more fans would have loved to attend but they simply couldn't do the financial burden of the weather they had to endure. just my 2 cents
Nope I as well as 200k fans signed a petition to get the new stadium built across the bridge but the dumbass owners are building a new one right next door literally no one wants to cross the bridge for any reason. I hope they build this 100 million dollar stadium and lose their asses
The seeding could make more sense, but coming from a lifelong Braves fan, it doesn't really matter if your bats don't show up when it matters most. I would like 7 game series all the way through though...
There is a reason the bats didn’t show up for 3 of the 4 teams with 5 or more days rest and the one that can hit is the one that was caught cheating 7 years ago.
I agree on the 7 game series, except wild card, that should go back to 1. So much more exciting. And quit staggering the al/nl games, make it all line up!
It’s a joke that the diamondbacks are in the playoffs in the first place. They barely played .500 ball, but they get a chance to play for a championship? What’s the point of playing 162 games? What are we even doing here?
It used to be the National League pennant winner faced off against the American League pennant winner in a best of 7 World Series making it a really special event that EVERY baseball fan watched, whether their team was in it or not. And the season was over in EARLY October. Now, it's dragged on and on and on to into NOVEMBER and gets to the point of absolute boredom, except for SOME of the teams with avid fans, while the rest of the country (including yours truly) couldn't care less. The endless expansions have made MLB way too confusing as well, allowing mediocre teams to even possibly make it to, and worse, win the World Series...no more "may the best team win" I guess.
I’m not sure how I feel. I kinda like the day games in the wild card round but I mostly don’t since it makes watching at work kinda hard. And the bye teams choking is kinda boring but it’s also nice seeing some new teams instead of just always being between the Astros, dodgers and Braves every year. But as a Dbacks fan im stoked and I got my World Series ticket already!
You make great videos! Grammer lesson of the day = the use of "less" vs "fewer". Use less when referring to amounts (like time and volume) and fewer when referring to numbers (like how many players or games). Basically, if you can count it, use fewer, if you can't, use less. Ie: There have never been fewer people in attendance and therefore there has never been less beer consumed at a post season game. You can count the number of people but you can't count the volume of beer. You could also say they drank fewer liters of beer because you can count liters. "After the game it took them less time and needed fewer mop buckets to clean up because there was less vomit". You can count the mop buckets but you cant count time or vomit.
I still preferred the 1 game elimination round with 2 WC teams. It takes away from the final stretch divisional/wc race a bit. Also, if there is a home field advantage in a five game series. its not much of one. The moment the home adv team loses one at home the cards are flipped. The home field adv in a sense goes to the other team. In a game 7 series, 2-3-2 I feel like is a better format for the DS round. MLB is happy with the TV $.
This format is true in every sport, im a huge hockey fan and while they do 2 2 1 1 instead of 2 3 2 the mantra always is we just have to steal one win away and we have home field advantage, if home field is such a big advantage then certainly being able to potentially go up 2 0 is a great advantage isn't it? I mean idk what people want, 4 games straight at home for the higher seed and the last 3 away if they don't sweep? Seeding is supposed to give you an advantage but it can't be a huge advantage or else it would just be the same exact teams winning every year, acuna is a .250 playoff hitter not terrible not great you either have guys that showup for the playoffs or you don't
Every round but the wildcard round should be a best of 7. I truly don’t understand why it’s not when other sports like hockey and basketball have it so every round is a best of 7 and they have way shorter seasons too.
A bye week in the NFL makes sense, however this game is played every hot summer day. If they wanted to expand then expand it in powers of 2....maybe 16 teams, which would be 4 rounds. And even then make it 5-5-7-7 game series. And reseed after each round.
Fundamental value of baseball: best teams are revealed by large samples (way bigger than any other sport). The only fair way to reward teams that excelled over 162 games is to give them a bigger playoff advantage over much weaker teams.
It's called win and don't suck especially if you have a 100 or more wins. It just goes to show that now anyone who gets in as a wildcard can have a chance to make it to the World Series. It gives baseball more chances to make money and the fans will show up unless you are the Rays.
I think the problem is the division leaders have their spot more or less locked up early and can ease up, meanwhile the wild cards have to fight to the very end, so of course they're coming in hot. Maybe the leaders should give themselves a goal to keep pushing, like 110 wins, though that didn't help the dodgers I also want to take this opportunity to pitch my wild card idea: since let's be honest they shouldn't be here, wc game 1 is the day after game 162. The next day is a double header if need be, motivation to win in 2. The next day the division series start. Only 2 days off for the leaders, wild cards come in running on fumes
I like your idea. I have a few of my own with some modifications with the doubleheader idea. Unless a game is postponed with rain and one is needed, playoff doubleheaders hurts the wild card team’s bullpen 1. Start the best of 3 wild card series the day after the last day of the regular season. Unless there must be a game that has playoff seedings, starting the wild card series giving the wild card teams no off days saves the bye teams 1 day 2. Reseed the wild card teams after the wild card series is over cuz #2 vs #6 and #1 vs #4 seed divisional series doesn’t make sense and this one should be done next year 3. If all the wild card series is over after game 2 or #3 vs #6 series are over and reseeding is done, then start the divisional series days afterwards. Ex. Instead of starting the divisional series this year on Saturday, they should start on Friday. If they start the wild card series on Monday and all of them or both of the 3 vs 6 series are over Tuesday, then the Divisional series can start Thursday. If a 4 vs 5 series is over after 2 games and the 3 vs 6 series has a game 3 and reseeding is done, then the divisional series should start 2 days after the last wild card series is over. 4. If a playoff round is over early like this year in the AL, they should’ve started the ALCS on Saturday instead of Sunday. In other words, if possible, reduce the amount of off days between playoff rounds so the World Series doesn’t end in November
2019 was the best example in support of the WC round (at least the 1 gm. format). The Nationals were arguably the best team in the league at the end of the season, but due to the 19-31 start, ended up with 93 wins and the WC. That's *4 months* of being hot, with a record on par with the Dodgers and Astros. They beat the Brewers in WC, Dodgers in the DS, destroyed the Cardinals in the CS, and beat the Astros in the WS. The system with the 1 game WC is fine (though I would like a 7 game DS).
This channel helped me go back to baseball and I went to all the Astros home games during the playoffs and 30 regular season games. Thank you for giving me back the love of baseball.
These teams play way too many games during the regular season to only play a 3 game or 5 game series in the WC AND DS. Best of 7 for all playoff rounds would be a good change, I think.
I grew up in Orlando but my family are all cards fans and so am I. But the rays are my second team and I decided to go to my first 3 games in the same week when they played the orioles 2 times and the marlins once. It takes me 2 1/2 hours to drive 80 miles to the game and it’s shit that they don’t last 4+ hours anymore. I’d gladly keep making the 5+ hour drive from my families home to Busch stadium even though they suck now
As a dodgers fan, last year I felt like we were the odd ones out, Im so happy that we shared our way of choking as the 1st and second seed Edit: Just to clarify, I am a LEGIT DODGERS FAN, Im not making fun of them, its just the life cycle of a dodgers fan, we do good for the entire season, and choke it away in the playoffs, I really do wish we could do well in the playoffs, but its the sad reality of a Dodgers fan.
I mean our pitching was demolished by injuries this year. When we get Buehler, May, and Gonslin back we should have a better run. Of course will still probably choke because the Dodgers are horrible in October, especially Mookie and Kershaw. This playoff run was so bad Robert's didn't even get to make any boneheaded moves really hard to be a Dodger fan rn. Because we know we're gunna have a great record and do the same thing next year
Yeah, it's nice to be part of the club. DBacks scored 6 runs in the top of the first inning in the first game. Dodgers scored their 6th run of the series in the 7th inning of game 3.
i was actually at game 2 of the tampa game i was going as a orlando tourist the were actually pretty wild it was 90 mins from orlando and about 45 from tampa
Lifetime Tampa resident - it is 100% the location of the stadium and the amount of out-of-state residents who live here. There are more Yankee and Red Sox fans than there are Rays fans living here. The players deserve better, but the fans also deserve a stadium that is in Tampa and not St. Pete.
MLB Playoffs have been amazing this year. Whoever is complaining is probably due to the team of their preference being smashed earlier than expected. I hope to see a great Texas series and some big games between AZ and the Phillies.
Playoffs by nature are going to be a crapshoot - it’s why soccer leagues for the most part don’t do them and why historically a lot of professional American leagues didn’t do them either when they were first founded the “best team” is just as liable to have a few bad games as a bad team if they only have to play 7 games to decide the outcome
It’s because these beast teams during the regular season and them losing their steam at post, Dodgers is a great example, year after year of post season disappointment….fans are just tired of it…
I would love to see them try the NHL/NBA format someday. 16 team bracket, best four of seven game series across the board. Reward half the teams for a grueling 162 game season. At the very least, every series in the playoffs should be best of seven. As a hockey guy, it's crazy to me that you guys have the playoff format you do when you play a 162! game season broken down into 3 game series already!! Baseball should be out here playin best of elevens!
im sick of hearing about teams losing their momentum during the 5 day break.. the Braves lost.. unfortunately.. and not because they didn’t play for a week and that gave them time to cool off.. but simply because they didn’t show up, they got out played. If you can’t win just because you had a few days off, you shouldn’t win in the first place.. i’m tired of hearing this argument. what about y’all?
Except that it's false,the Braves didn't show up, but what about every other team? Just because the sample size is small does not mean you can outright dismiss this. Let it cook, let a sample size build up and see if there is a true correlation between large breaks in play and teams performing below average.
@@Kaboose-fb7bk true, but i think he hinted on that in the video. and the data kind of put this theory to bed. but i am just of the school of thought that winners win. Winners show up in the big moments when they need to win the most. and they aren’t letting a couple days off let that stop them. imagine saying “yea i lost cause i got a few good days of rest” lol i don’t jive with it
Regarding Tampa’s excuses for attendance… 2022 Wild Card Game 1 between Cleveland and Tampa was a noon first pitch during the work week. The Jake was sold out.
If it is indeed a problem, the simple fix is to extend the Division series to seven games. The issue isn't just the rest, it's the prospect of going from a comfortable lead in the standings and long rest to suddenly being down 1-0 in a best of five. That's the whiplash that's tough to adjust to, and doesn't feel like enough reward. But if you can't win a best of seven, you have no room to complain.
At the very least, it really does not seem like the 6 days off is a huge advantage for the top seeds. The main thing people keep saying it lets the top seeds set up their rotation, but really it’s only an advantage in game 1. Because you get top seed’s#1 against lower seed’s #3, but then in game 2 you get lower seed’s #1 against top seed’s #2, and in game 3 you get lower seed’s #2 against top seed’s #3. So if the higher seed doesn’t win the first game, you’re looking at a much better chance of a sweep. I wish it would go back to just one WC team, but that isn’t going to happen. Ultimately, I don’t think the MLB will go for any of the fixes people are suggesting. The only way it gets fixed is expansion, realignment, and more teams in the playoffs (which waters down playoffs even more but they want the money).
Twins also fell victim to the new analytics department. A few years back when they broke the single season all-time hr record. Pulled the pitcher early, just like the Jays did, and got creamed the rest of the series, keeping the winless playoff record alive.
The 2+4 format is correct but maybe they need to reestructure the number of games per round • Wildcard = single game at the better team's ballpark • League semifinals = best of 3 • League finals = best of 5 • World Series = best of 7
As a dodger fan lol we were never going to win our pitching was injured beyond repair lol and one of them is probably getting locked up. We were counting on Clayton to save us but he’s also at the his end of career years. As far as the braves I think they just fed into the Phillies fire. They did the iconic “mess around and find out”.
The Trade Deadline is also a thing that happens with about 1/3 of the regular season remaining. Taht alone changes teams in ways that make "inferior" playoff teams more competitive. Over the long term, with enough samples, things will shake out as they "should." Dodgers and Braves fans in particular who are whining forget improbable things happen every day. In a large sample, you should find improbable runs. In a simplified example, in 200 coin tosses, though you should get ~50/50 results on the whole, you're very likely to hit the same side 7, 8, even 9 times in a row in that sample before you start flipping. Similar deal here. In a scenario where the WCS winner wins ~33% of the time, sometimes, early in the sample, more WCS winners win the LDS than not. They always tell you when buying stocks: Past performance does not indicate future results.
Baseball is just a unpredictable sport in general, in a small sample size of the playoffs anything can happen and the best teams don’t always end up on top like they do in a 162 game season
How can you not talk about the MLB deciding to put all the AL WC games on a super-early schedule? Most people are busy on a weekday at 3 PM, but the MLB decided to burn the Rays-Rangers series by giving them all three games at the same weekday start time. The Twins-Jays series had a similar problem with a 4PM start, but at least Minnesota was smart enough to drive the ticket prices down to $6 so they could draw a full crowd. Meanwhile, the MLB decided to reward the National League with primetime starts. Same start times for game two and three. How is it fair that two series get garbage start times for all of its games? Imagine getting into the playoffs and not being able to play a night game once. That was the American League.
Pulling berrios is still baffling to me. I get that analytics are a huge part of the game now but there was still no justification for the pull. You can look at the analytics all you want but they will never replace a good manager's feel for the game.
As a WI native, I never really cared for baseball. The brewers were garbage my whole life outside of a few years because apparently its common for teams to load up for a year and then fall back to irrelevance the next. Now, after having heard about this team get bounced from the playoffs after 2 games and them wanting hundreds of millions of tax dollars for stadium renovations on a just over 20 year old stadium or they will relocate, I say good riddance.
When I seen that thumbnail I'm like ain't no way that's for the playoffs because every playoff game I've watched in the NLCS OR ALCS has been packed to the fullest Tampa Bay rays have never had a good crowd short of them making it to the world series their crowd does not show up even in American league championship series their crowd doesn't show all the way up It's similar to The heat fans they really don't show up till the second half of the game even if they're in the championship 😂😂
I’d much rather watch basketball or certainty football. It’s fun to go to a game but they schedule them at ridiculous times on weekdays. I’m about an hour away from SF and Oakland so we’ve gone to several games this year, its dirt cheap to go to an A’s game lol but despite no one being there the security is always on people’s ass about changing seats. Oracle park is gorgeous though, one of the best in the league for sure.
Format or not, I watched the 2011 Phillies run into the buzzsaw that was the St Louis Cardinals after having their best season in franchise history. Didn't make any excuses, they outplayed us. Phillies the last two years have been a team built to win these short series. DBacks knocked us out last year and it was because we stopped hitting and just started free swinging. Have to take accountability when you lose, not blame the system.
2020 playoff structure is the best option. 16 team playoff with no byes. Straight bracket. They probably won’t do it until an expansion to 32 teams comes, though.
My issue with the playoffs is we are now in the championship series and yet we still have games starting at 4 in the afternoon onna Monday and we still have both series played on the same day. That’s just a poor layout imo
Honestly there’s only ever just like 6 teams that are World Series quality teams. An 84 win team should not even sniff the playoffs, let alone two, let alone an 88 win Mariners team who ended up missing the playoffs despite being better than both 84 win teams.
I think the wildcard game should be best out of 5. best of 3 is too short. playing 162 games in a season, and playoffs is best of 3 omg. take out 5 regular season games or more and make the wild card best of 5. Or better yet, take off 20 games of the regular season, end it in aug. then make all playoff rounds best of 7, like hockey. nothing worse then waiting all season for your team to get in playoffs and 2 games its over.
Baseball is as entertaining as watching paint dry. Why? No physical contact. Games take too long. Half of the televised game is watching players spit out seeds/chomp on gum/adjust their chains that fall out after every pitch, or swing of the bat. (Should be a rule to not wear jewelry) (your a man not a woman) (look at me, I'm rich....yea we know bro) broadcasters dryer than an Arizona summer. The list goes on and on.
Bro people have been trying to do that moneyball ever since the Athletics like it doesn't work it doesn't produce champions stop trying to use algorithms to predict everything algorithms can't take in to account feeling and momentum switching if we just went based off a algorithm there would be no point to play a game
Listen to me very carefully. I’ma Rays fan & I love the format. The top teams should just start winning. We had a ton of injuries to some of the top players in the game (Lowe, McClanahan, Rasmussen, etc. (the numbers don’t lie). That was a reason we lost, but again, you gotta win. The shit isn’t unfair. Just don’t hold guys underperforming over their heads due to the format. And when it comes to the Jays taking Berrios out, that’s just a horrible decision basing off analytics. And I’m a huge advanced stats numbers guy. The Rays did the same stupid move in 2020 when Blake Snell was rolling. You keep him in until he gives up that run. Simple as that.
Get the two teams on a bye to play each other in a 3 game series. Winner gets home-field in LCS. The higher seeds still get rewarded with a bye. Their hitters get to stay sharp by playing in a meaningful game. You can still rest your top starting pitchers by either not playing them at all or by giving them short appearances with limited pitch counts. It's a win for everybody including the fans
This will never ever ever happen, but if there's any sport that would likely benefit from the European Soccer format of the regular season determining the champion with scattered tournaments throughout the year, it would be baseball. But the United States values their playoffs, enjoys the revenue from postseason play, and MLB would also never implement a relegation/promotion system, so a postseason must be built despite the wonky jaded ways of baseball. I think the one tweak that would help the format on a quality standpoint is reseeding the teams once the divisional rounds start. On a ratings/attendance standpoint, you absolutely have to start the playoffs on the weekend or at the very least on Friday. Starting the playoffs on Tuesday afternoon (and choosing St. Pete as the location of the first game) was quite possibly the stupidest decision made in the Manfred Era.
It puts the teams who win the 1 seeds, at a disadvantage only because they stop playing baseball games for a week, and baseball is a game of consistency
Idc what people say the ones complaining about the new playoff method just mad their team got knock out like I’m a Yankees fan and I’m enjoying every moment of this playoff it’s fun to watch and exciting storyline
The unsolvable issue for baseball is that really any team can win a series if they’re hotter at the time or the other team is slumping. Trea Turner was horrific for 80% of the season and is now one of the 3 players making the Phillies look like World Series favorites. It’s the only sport in the US where a team can go from dominant to completely irrelevant overnight without injuries playing a factor and the reality is that playoffs where all the best teams are eliminated early are going to happen occasionally
Honestly think it's statistical. Orioles were never swept all season, then get swept in the postseason. Same with the Braves getting shutout. Dodgers every postseason. It's all about regression to the mean. Average playoff teams reaching potential vs. Great playoff teams regressing.
A lot of it with teams or areas that aren't super sport fanatics couldnhabe tovdo with a combination of the aforementioned you brought up, momentum, but also inflated ticket prices due to the play offs. It's an easy decision to nab a ticket fornthe final regular season game that's much cheaper than one in a week or two simply because of the stage of the tournament. Also, I think losing teams with loyal fanbases will always have a large end of season attendance due to it being the last time to see the team play for the year, hence Royals getting a large attendance.
Enough with the, "it's only been two years of this format." From 2012-2019 & 2021, the wild card defeated the top division winner 9 of 18 times. What has changed since then? A wild card needs to win two games instead of one before the division series. If the wild card winner was beating the top division winner half the time under the previous format, I would expect that trend to continue under the current format. Expect more wild cards in the LCS. The teams that get byes are not receiving a significant advantage because the wild card winners also get days off after the series so the starters that pitched in the wild card series can start in the next round on regular rest. In fact, there was a day off between games 1& 2 in the National League. Their pitchers get the rest but not long enough so their hitters get rusty.
1) Shorten the season by a week. 2) Use the 2020 playoff format - 8 teams in each league. Top 2 in each division + 2 WCs. 3) WC series - best of 5. Every other series - best of 7. Best of 3 is ridiculously absurd.
When the MLB inevitably expands to 32 teams they should do exactly what the NBA does. 7 game series all throughout the playoffs, 1-8 seeds in both leagues. Simple.
They should do 5-7-7-7, but the Playoffs are fine. If a #1 seed can't win a best of series vs a lower seed they don't deserve to win. It's the same way in almost every other sport, but football. The Rays and Marlins are terrible draws and should be relocated to other Markets, but they deserved to make the Playoffs.
Simply put for the rays, if a hockey team can be successful AND popular in Florida, baseball should easily work. The stadium needs to move to downtown and ownership need to market the team.
I know it isn’t the same as real game pressure and adrenaline, but couldn’t the by-teams just play exhibition games among themselves and give the profits to charity or something? That’s only just come to mind as I’ve typed it. Or hell, play within the team and give out bonuses to players who take it seriously and maintain their performance levels? Bring in minors teams, raise money, instead of sitting around losing their “momentum” and “timing”? Or just expand the number of playoff positions, and seed the top teams against the lowest qualifiers, like basically any other sport that has a tournament group stage? People will find any excuse to bottle it. They really will.
My complaint about the playoffs is not that the new format sucks due to the rest periods, I just think the Wild Card series should be 5 games, and NLDS and on should be 7 games. I know that would result in a huge scheduling nightmare, but I think playing a full 162 games and then being bounced for losing two in a row is pretty lame. You can get knocked out in less time than a series in the regular season Overall, division titles don’t really matter that much anymore even though they should be a big deal for coming out on top of a 4 month battle with games every day
Analytics said to take out Berrios and bring in Kikuchi, which is why I have never trusted analytics and I don't know why people still do. You can't predict an unpredictable game with math. It doesn't work
Rangers are so slept on this year it’s sad. If the astros weren’t in the division both of those teams would be the best team in baseball, not to mention Seattle was great too. People are acting shocked teams in bad divisions weren’t ready to play!
Is baseball =Tampa? Playoffs on TBS where only 27 people can watch? 1 game wild card was dumb. Playoff baseball has always been different than the reg season. 2 pitchers can dominate any short series and a superstar can have a bad game or 2
I think Tampa Bay’s attendance problem isn’t about their payroll or record. It’s because the Trop sucks, and it’s often rated as the worst stadium in the MLB
The real problem is that baseball is not suited well for playoffs of any format. Baseball is a sport where the very best teams win 6.5 out of 10 games and the very worst teams win 3.5 out of 10 games, and every team goes on good and bad runs. Success in baseball should be judged on 162 games. Not some silly playoff. Playoffs at the end of a baseball season are like a shootout at the end of a soccer game. Might as well just have a coin flipping contest.
There’s too many teams…. Outside of having your hometown team in the playoffs, It’s hard to feel invested in a team because there’s so many games/series that you can’t really keep up. 8 teams tops. More is not better- late stage capitalism is atrocious.. it really does jack sht up
This channel got me back into baseball so much that I attended 6 games this year and followed the season. Wouldn't have happened without BDE. The MLB should be subsidizing him.
@@wetwrkinc.5122 if you like the game, yes. Just get a good buzz going and talk to the people near you. I went with friends and they annoyed me because I was trying to watch my Cubbies and they were constantly talking to me lmao
As someone from tampa, the problem with the Rays is that the field is an hour and a half from downtown tampa. They are across the bridge in St. Petersburg and trying to get there during rush hour is unimaginable. I moved to Tampa in 2005 and Tropicana field has not changed since at least then. Also the Rays don’t engage the fans as much, with the Tampa Bay Lightning, they do a lot more to keep the crowd engaged and make the fans want to come back. The Rays seem to show up, play a game, and you go home. It lacks the experience of going to a game so nobody wants to go
I was surprised you didnt talk about the Home and Away structure of a series. Havine a 2-3-2 structure is a HUGE advantage to the lower seeded team. If they can manage to steal just one game in the first two games at the home of the higher seed, then having the major advantage for the next three games is in sane to me. The NHL and NBA's structure of 2-2-1-1-1 because its fair and then it gives the home advantage for the higher seed on game 7 if needed.
did you watch the playoffs this year? 😅 away team won all the games in the alcs and az had to win two on the road to finish their series. the higher seeded team still has the home field in game 7s with the current set up
The NBA actually does a 2-3-2 for the finals. It makes makes it more likely that the higher seed is at home for the deciding game. Almost half of NBA finals have ended on Game 6 over the last 20 years. Without the 2-3-2, this would mean the higher ranked team winning their championship and "celebrating" on the other teams court in front of the other team's fan on Game 6 wins.
It’s crazy how quickly it’s over. You dominate all year, plan all season for the playoffs, go through the long grind and marathon of a season, and then in 2 days it’s over and you go home. That being said, baseball playoffs have always been unpredictable and wild card teams often win it all.
The wildcard team winning it all used to be impressive though. The Marlins actually had to fight and earn their spot in the wildcard. They then went on to beat division winners along the way to winning two World Series. These modern World Series will never be as impressive bc of this watered down format smh.
"The postseaon partially explained why baseball was so uniquely resistant to the fruits of of scientific research... It was that the season ended in a giant crapshoot" - Moneyball
Facts. As a Cardinals fan, the best Cardinals team of my life was probably the 2004 team who were swept in the WS. Then in contrast the 2006 team had the worst record of any team to ever win the WS. They were ice cold heading into the playoffs. Baseball being unpredictable is what makes the playoffs so fun to watch. It has always been anyone’s game once you get in.
@@davidkelty7688 How is it not impressive? If anything it should be more impressive. Its a worse team than the old format but still beating the monster teams. Playoff format is no excuse for getting dominated. Good teams show up in big games. Astros aren't complaining because they show up. Its simple as that. Teams beat better teams all the time in baseball, that's what makes baseball and the playoffs so unpredictable and exciting. To blame the losses only because days off is crazy. No teams would willingly chose to be in the WC games and potential elimination vs getting the rotation lined up.
I was lucky enough to be in Clearwater for work during the Rays playoff games, then I found out all the games were at 3pm and couldn’t go. 15 minutes away from the Trop. That start time killed me.
It seems the MLB makes enough money and doesn't care about the fans at all. Why wouldn't they just make it a 16 team post season? Since this would mean more tv and ticket money for the league, and more playoff games, a higher chance for your team to make it to the playoffs for the fans.
Another issue regarding the Rays and sports fandoms in Florida as a whole I really wish people not from Florida would realize is that most Floridians are not from Florida. A state of 22 million people with probably only like 1/10th of that population being actual native Floridians, you're not gonna find a lot of passionate fans of Florida teams unless they are uber successful like the Lightning, Heat, and our biggest D1 colleges. Fans of the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, Chicago teams, etc. will move to FL but refuse to give up those fandoms which have like a century years' worth of traditions and passion associated. Baseball in FL is great for training & Northern teams to have a vacation but not for developing a fanbase.
I’m a first-generation Floridian (meaning I was born and raised in Florida, but my parents were from other states; my mom was born in Maine and raised there and Massachusetts and came to Florida as an adult, while my dad was born in Indiana and moved down to Florida when he was about 10 years old), and this is actually pretty true when it comes to Florida sports. Just using my family as an example, the only Florida sports teams I’m actually a fan of are the Miami Dolphins (primarily because my dad grew up a fan) and the Orlando Magic (which is the only major professional sports team in Central Florida, where I’m from). Otherwise, most of the teams I tend to support are either from Boston (Red Sox for baseball, Bruins for hockey) or Chicago (primarily the Cubs, which was my paternal grandmother’s favorite team; she sadly didn’t live to see them break their World Series curse). My dad is a lifelong Atlanta Braves fan because he came to Florida when that was the only baseball team broadcasting their games in Central Florida. Before the late ‘80s or so, the only major sports teams in Florida were the Dolphins and the Buccaneers. Point being, most of the sports leagues haven’t had teams here long enough to really develop a fan base across Florida, and because so many of us have only had our families here for a couple of generations, there isn’t really much generational fandom of the Florida-based teams, and we tend to gravitate more towards teams from states or regions where we have family roots. You’re more likely to see a Red Sox or Yankees fan in most parts of Florida than a Rays or Marlins fan (unless you’re right in the vicinity of Tampa - and the city’s name is Tampa, *not* Tampa Bay - or Miami).
lol I just moved to Orlando area and your spot on or in my areas case a lot of the residents are Latinos who mostly don’t care about our sports let alone speak English
Totally. I’ve been saying that forever, and I’m 4th generation. Spring training has always been a big deal in FL because snowbirds could see their local teams play with palm trees in the background. I went to 4 Rays games this year, and probably half the fans were wearing the colors of the visiting team. MLB just doesn’t work here, I’m sad to admit
Jays gm Atkins traded away the cleanup batter, lineup protection, & most rbi's on the team, didn't replace any, & when the problem was OBVIOUS at the trade deadline refused to address the issue HE CREATED! He can't go soon enough! It will take YEARS to repair the damage he has done to the franchise 🤬
I feel like nobody has a problem with it until their team loses to one with a worse record. I personally like how unsuspecting teams are able to make a push. It makes it interesting how any team can break out.
Edit: To those pointing out how the 162 game season means less by allowing more teams in, that’s actually a valid point. Just because a team barely makes wild card and then gets hot at the right time doesn’t necessarily mean they deserve to be there.
I left this comment right when the video came out before even watching it and did not expect a whole debate below it haha
Playoff baseball is obviously special for some reason, so increasing the number of games is a good thing. You just can't have 162 also, it's too many games period. I hate how long and pointless the regular season is. Sick of seeing the Dodgers win 105 games only to get bounced by some inferior team. Cut it back to 144 and then you can expand the postseason a little bit further still. The 3-game series are kind of stupid imo.
@@guyincognito320If the Dodgers are so good they shouldn’t be getting bounced by an “inferior” team
Maybe they should get their shit together in October instead of blaming it on a playoff format
@@MidnightScoutThat's such horseshit it's amazing. They did get it together. All season. Which is why they're the #2. But we've got clowns like you who think 5 games means more than 162.
I guarantee you if a big market team like the yankees went on a run as a wild card like the rangers or diamondbacks, we wouldn't be seeing the media suddenly questioning the playoff format and calling it unfair.
@@guyincognito320 The Dodgers have choked for a decade straight, it ain't the playoff format that's the issue here.
I'm an NFL guy, but baseball content creators are so good. Between this channel, Jomboy, and Foolish, baseball fans are eating good.
Bro facts all of theses guys are killing it!
The playoffs are really just “any given Sunday” but in a five or seven game series
Love jomboy and this channel, don’t even watch baseball! Never checked out foolish. Thanks for the rec.
That used to be me, but the channels you listed single-handedly got me WAY more into baseball than I ever was the NFL. This year I’ve watched exactly ONE NFL game. I’ve stopped following football almost entirely at this point. Baseball is just the superior, more entertaining sport in every single way.
Jolly Olive has been killing it too, if you're looking for even more baseball content!
One part of this I don't get at all is why MLB doesn't put all the playoff games in prime time. Are they really so interested in the mega-fan who's going to sit down and watch the entire quadruple-header on a Tuesday that they're willing to accept a fairly high probability that fans who have full-time jobs might be unable to catch _any_ of the games in their team's postseason run?
Exactly. Can't believe the outpouring of people saying I don't deserve to watch baseball because I am employed.
Yup we couldn't get a game on Friday or Saturday but we're doing a Monday afternoon game here in a bit...
they had 4 games on one day, they didn't want to put all 4 games on at 7 and 8 o'clock so they spaced them out at 2 o'clock, 4:30, then 7:00, then 8:00
@@danielmoore8695Which would be fine, if it was like, Friday / Saturday / Sunday games.
No one cares about Baseball enough to warrant networks putting it in primetime slots. There's better content for that that'll actually be watched by wider audiences.
In the Ray's defense, the first playoff game of the season was scheduled at 3pm on a weekday. They were screwed from the start on attendance. Speaking from my experience, most of my coworkers were pissed they missed going to the game and also couldn't even watch the broadcast cause we were all AT WORK. I know a few people that bought tickets before they announced the time, and then ended up getting a refund cause they couldn't miss work. Just poor timing on MLB's part. Kinda unfair to Rays and Rangers fans :/
Also a huge factor in appearing to look so empty was opening the 300s without knowing our timeslot. This spread out the 19k (myself included) horribly, for no good or real reason.
How dare people in TB work?! Here in LA, it’d likely have been a sellout.
Last year, Game 1 between Cleveland and Tampa was a noon start time, during the weekday and The Jake was sold out. No excuses for Tampa.
@@eyeofhorus99 reminder it's TAMPA BAY not Tampa :) they play in St Pete, and I'm not making excuses I made it to both games. There's no good will towards the 20k people who did make it happen lmfao.
@@lookitslau What do you mean by "opening the 300s" is that an area of seats that wasn't open before?
Due to this channel and a few others, my love for baseball returned. So much so, that I decided to watch my former team, the Atlanta Braves and see what all the fuss was about. Four games later they were out. So thanks for reminding me how much hurt my Braves used to give me. Too bad I didn't see them win the world series a few years ago. This channel is awesome.
As a Tampa native I keep having to tell everyone it's not that we dont care. It's that we aren't even in the same vicinity as our team. There's only 2 bridges that are packed constantly connecting st pete and tampa. You literally gave to plan your entire day around getting to the park. I live in Tampa and im 1.5 hours from the stadium 😢
The drive hurts, but there aren't many Rays fans anymore. Too many people turned off by an awful stadium and a ownership group that is cheap.
@ryanchase9332 location is definitely everything. We (the Rockies) have arguably one of the worst owners, awful product on the field, but because we have one of the most easily accessible stadiums because of our public rail whose hub is right in front of the stadium. We'll always have fans in the stands assuming the weather isn't shit.
Lmk when the stadium gets moved. Traffic is an issue. I'm a drays lifer but never lived in Tampa, and even I know this. Its f-ing annoying bro. No one understands how much of an issue just getting into and out of the stadium is. That's the #1 reason why we have such shitty numbers in the stands.
@@ryanchase9332cheap and constantly the best or one of the best teams in baseball. Amazing that someone would even consider critiquing arguably the best franchise in NA sports.
I live here and I'd rather go to St. Pete than Ybor, you gotta be kidding right? Last time I counted there are three bridges crossing over from Tampa and another coming from the South. Also St. Pete isn't on an island.
A 1 game playoff and a 3 game regular series is insane to me... especially after 162 games.
I was so hyped for the Brewers.. they looked like such a complete team and it meant absolutely nothing 💔
I'm fine with the super short series for the Wild Card round (and would actually even prefer the one game single elimination format to the three there), but I don't want teams who win their division to get subjected to the super short series. So yeah, it's crazy that the Brewers didn't even get a chance to play in the LDS round despite clearly being the best team in their division and winning more games than any of the teams left in the playoffs. I want shorter series for team who get in as Wild Card (exposing them to the randomness) and longer series for the division winners.
@@MatthewGross87that's the reward you get for ending with the best or 2nd best record. The Brewers and Twins won weak divisions and ended with the same or less wins than some of the wildcard teams.
They had a best of 3 series (2 games possibly 3)and choked. I'm a brewers fan and was there (unlike you) and I was hurt but not once blamed the format. They have choked for years. I've seen it before. Anyone that starts out a comment with the phrase that ends with "is crazy" is a complete dumbass
the 3 game series is at least better than the 1 game wild card. that was horrible
12 fucking teams in the God damn playoffs after 162 fucking games is insane to me.
You play 162 mother fucking games and they punish the best teams by shitting all over their momentum and then let in mediocre clubs who can just get hot at the right time.
you should also take into account that Florida got smacked with hurricanes this year. I'm sure a lot more fans would have loved to attend but they simply couldn't do the financial burden of the weather they had to endure. just my 2 cents
Nope I as well as 200k fans signed a petition to get the new stadium built across the bridge but the dumbass owners are building a new one right next door literally no one wants to cross the bridge for any reason. I hope they build this 100 million dollar stadium and lose their asses
Ticket sales are nothing. TV deals are where the money is. More people watched on TV, so more money. Teams just sell tickets for the fans.
also at least one of those games was on 3pm on a weekday. lots of people i know wouldve gone if it wasnt during work
The seeding could make more sense, but coming from a lifelong Braves fan, it doesn't really matter if your bats don't show up when it matters most. I would like 7 game series all the way through though...
cant agree more
Yeah I agree and I'm not a Braves fan but 7 games is all I ask for. A 162 games season shouldn't be defined by a 5 game series.
We would've lost to the phillies anyway.But I agree with your point. 7 games please.
There is a reason the bats didn’t show up for 3 of the 4 teams with 5 or more days rest and the one that can hit is the one that was caught cheating 7 years ago.
I agree on the 7 game series, except wild card, that should go back to 1. So much more exciting. And quit staggering the al/nl games, make it all line up!
It’s a joke that the diamondbacks are in the playoffs in the first place. They barely played .500 ball, but they get a chance to play for a championship? What’s the point of playing 162 games? What are we even doing here?
I think it personally makes it more interesting that smaller teams can still make the playoffs 🤷
It used to be the National League pennant winner faced off against the American League pennant winner in a best of 7 World Series making it a really special event that EVERY baseball fan watched, whether their team was in it or not. And the season was over in EARLY October. Now, it's dragged on and on and on to into NOVEMBER and gets to the point of absolute boredom, except for SOME of the teams with avid fans, while the rest of the country (including yours truly) couldn't care less. The endless expansions have made MLB way too confusing as well, allowing mediocre teams to even possibly make it to, and worse, win the World Series...no more "may the best team win" I guess.
MLB is scripted
I’m not sure how I feel. I kinda like the day games in the wild card round but I mostly don’t since it makes watching at work kinda hard. And the bye teams choking is kinda boring but it’s also nice seeing some new teams instead of just always being between the Astros, dodgers and Braves every year. But as a Dbacks fan im stoked and I got my World Series ticket already!
You make great videos! Grammer lesson of the day = the use of "less" vs "fewer". Use less when referring to amounts (like time and volume) and fewer when referring to numbers (like how many players or games). Basically, if you can count it, use fewer, if you can't, use less. Ie: There have never been fewer people in attendance and therefore there has never been less beer consumed at a post season game. You can count the number of people but you can't count the volume of beer. You could also say they drank fewer liters of beer because you can count liters. "After the game it took them less time and needed fewer mop buckets to clean up because there was less vomit". You can count the mop buckets but you cant count time or vomit.
The problem I have with it is now, it makes the regular season not mean much if you can just skirt your way into the playoffs
you mean teams with big division leads or that 3 teams make the WC?
@@vdoggydogg3922The teams that make a wild card. Teams can play with more ease since there's more spots open
I still preferred the 1 game elimination round with 2 WC teams. It takes away from the final stretch divisional/wc race a bit. Also, if there is a home field advantage in a five game series. its not much of one. The moment the home adv team loses one at home the cards are flipped. The home field adv in a sense goes to the other team. In a game 7 series, 2-3-2 I feel like is a better format for the DS round. MLB is happy with the TV $.
I completely agree with this, every word of it
This format is true in every sport, im a huge hockey fan and while they do 2 2 1 1 instead of 2 3 2 the mantra always is we just have to steal one win away and we have home field advantage, if home field is such a big advantage then certainly being able to potentially go up 2 0 is a great advantage isn't it? I mean idk what people want, 4 games straight at home for the higher seed and the last 3 away if they don't sweep? Seeding is supposed to give you an advantage but it can't be a huge advantage or else it would just be the same exact teams winning every year, acuna is a .250 playoff hitter not terrible not great you either have guys that showup for the playoffs or you don't
I agree
This will make big and loaded teams not to go for big regular season records, and instead load manage their stars and prevent injuries.
Every round but the wildcard round should be a best of 7. I truly don’t understand why it’s not when other sports like hockey and basketball have it so every round is a best of 7 and they have way shorter seasons too.
They're played indoors
A bye week in the NFL makes sense, however this game is played every hot summer day. If they wanted to expand then expand it in powers of 2....maybe 16 teams, which would be 4 rounds. And even then make it 5-5-7-7 game series. And reseed after each round.
Fundamental value of baseball: best teams are revealed by large samples (way bigger than any other sport). The only fair way to reward teams that excelled over 162 games is to give them a bigger playoff advantage over much weaker teams.
It's called win and don't suck especially if you have a 100 or more wins. It just goes to show that now anyone who gets in as a wildcard can have a chance to make it to the World Series. It gives baseball more chances to make money and the fans will show up unless you are the Rays.
I think the problem is the division leaders have their spot more or less locked up early and can ease up, meanwhile the wild cards have to fight to the very end, so of course they're coming in hot.
Maybe the leaders should give themselves a goal to keep pushing, like 110 wins, though that didn't help the dodgers
I also want to take this opportunity to pitch my wild card idea: since let's be honest they shouldn't be here, wc game 1 is the day after game 162. The next day is a double header if need be, motivation to win in 2. The next day the division series start. Only 2 days off for the leaders, wild cards come in running on fumes
This entire comment just made me laugh out loud.
I like your idea. I have a few of my own with some modifications with the doubleheader idea. Unless a game is postponed with rain and one is needed, playoff doubleheaders hurts the wild card team’s bullpen
1. Start the best of 3 wild card series the day after the last day of the regular season. Unless there must be a game that has playoff seedings, starting the wild card series giving the wild card teams no off days saves the bye teams 1 day
2. Reseed the wild card teams after the wild card series is over cuz #2 vs #6 and #1 vs #4 seed divisional series doesn’t make sense and this one should be done next year
3. If all the wild card series is over after game 2 or #3 vs #6 series are over and reseeding is done, then start the divisional series days afterwards. Ex. Instead of starting the divisional series this year on Saturday, they should start on Friday. If they start the wild card series on Monday and all of them or both of the 3 vs 6 series are over Tuesday, then the Divisional series can start Thursday. If a 4 vs 5 series is over after 2 games and the 3 vs 6 series has a game 3 and reseeding is done, then the divisional series should start 2 days after the last wild card series is over.
4. If a playoff round is over early like this year in the AL, they should’ve started the ALCS on Saturday instead of Sunday. In other words, if possible, reduce the amount of off days between playoff rounds so the World Series doesn’t end in November
2019 was the best example in support of the WC round (at least the 1 gm. format). The Nationals were arguably the best team in the league at the end of the season, but due to the 19-31 start, ended up with 93 wins and the WC. That's *4 months* of being hot, with a record on par with the Dodgers and Astros. They beat the Brewers in WC, Dodgers in the DS, destroyed the Cardinals in the CS, and beat the Astros in the WS. The system with the 1 game WC is fine (though I would like a 7 game DS).
This channel helped me go back to baseball and I went to all the Astros home games during the playoffs and 30 regular season games. Thank you for giving me back the love of baseball.
These teams play way too many games during the regular season to only play a 3 game or 5 game series in the WC AND DS. Best of 7 for all playoff rounds would be a good change, I think.
I grew up in Orlando but my family are all cards fans and so am I. But the rays are my second team and I decided to go to my first 3 games in the same week when they played the orioles 2 times and the marlins once. It takes me 2 1/2 hours to drive 80 miles to the game and it’s shit that they don’t last 4+ hours anymore. I’d gladly keep making the 5+ hour drive from my families home to Busch stadium even though they suck now
MLB: Let’s add teams to make things interesting
Also MLB: Wait, why aren’t these teams losing?!
MLB fans*
This is fantastic for the MLB, completely justifies them letting Arizona into the playoffs. It’s the Dodgers/Braves fans who are pissed off
As a dodgers fan, last year I felt like we were the odd ones out, Im so happy that we shared our way of choking as the 1st and second seed
Edit: Just to clarify, I am a LEGIT DODGERS FAN, Im not making fun of them, its just the life cycle of a dodgers fan, we do good for the entire season, and choke it away in the playoffs, I really do wish we could do well in the playoffs, but its the sad reality of a Dodgers fan.
I mean our pitching was demolished by injuries this year. When we get Buehler, May, and Gonslin back we should have a better run. Of course will still probably choke because the Dodgers are horrible in October, especially Mookie and Kershaw. This playoff run was so bad Robert's didn't even get to make any boneheaded moves really hard to be a Dodger fan rn. Because we know we're gunna have a great record and do the same thing next year
The Braves choked last year too. But it’s more popular to make fun of the Dodgers lol
Yeah, it's nice to be part of the club.
DBacks scored 6 runs in the top of the first inning in the first game. Dodgers scored their 6th run of the series in the 7th inning of game 3.
@@jasonfire3434the dodgers have choked every year sense 1988, the braves atleast won it in 2021
@donutsrgood4491 Dodgers could of had a healthy rotation, but the lineup didn't show up. They couldn't put up runs in the end.
i was actually at game 2 of the tampa game i was going as a orlando tourist the were actually pretty wild it was 90 mins from orlando and about 45 from tampa
Lifetime Tampa resident - it is 100% the location of the stadium and the amount of out-of-state residents who live here. There are more Yankee and Red Sox fans than there are Rays fans living here. The players deserve better, but the fans also deserve a stadium that is in Tampa and not St. Pete.
When I was a season ticket holder for the cubs those 3:15 division games were the worst.
MLB Playoffs have been amazing this year. Whoever is complaining is probably due to the team of their preference being smashed earlier than expected.
I hope to see a great Texas series and some big games between AZ and the Phillies.
Playoffs by nature are going to be a crapshoot - it’s why soccer leagues for the most part don’t do them and why historically a lot of professional American leagues didn’t do them either when they were first founded
the “best team” is just as liable to have a few bad games as a bad team if they only have to play 7 games to decide the outcome
It’s because these beast teams during the regular season and them losing their steam at post, Dodgers is a great example, year after year of post season disappointment….fans are just tired of it…
I would love to see them try the NHL/NBA format someday. 16 team bracket, best four of seven game series across the board. Reward half the teams for a grueling 162 game season. At the very least, every series in the playoffs should be best of seven. As a hockey guy, it's crazy to me that you guys have the playoff format you do when you play a 162! game season broken down into 3 game series already!! Baseball should be out here playin best of elevens!
im sick of hearing about teams losing their momentum during the 5 day break.. the Braves lost.. unfortunately.. and not because they didn’t play for a week and that gave them time to cool off.. but simply because they didn’t show up, they got out played.
If you can’t win just because you had a few days off, you shouldn’t win in the first place..
i’m tired of hearing this argument.
what about y’all?
One of the smartest comments I've read.
@@jchristner82 appreciate it
Except that it's false,the Braves didn't show up, but what about every other team? Just because the sample size is small does not mean you can outright dismiss this. Let it cook, let a sample size build up and see if there is a true correlation between large breaks in play and teams performing below average.
@@Kaboose-fb7bk true, but i think he hinted on that in the video. and the data kind of put this theory to bed.
but i am just of the school of thought that winners win. Winners show up in the big moments when they need to win the most. and they aren’t letting a couple days off let that stop them. imagine saying “yea i lost cause i got a few good days of rest” lol
i don’t jive with it
Regarding Tampa’s excuses for attendance… 2022 Wild Card Game 1 between Cleveland and Tampa was a noon first pitch during the work week. The Jake was sold out.
If it is indeed a problem, the simple fix is to extend the Division series to seven games.
The issue isn't just the rest, it's the prospect of going from a comfortable lead in the standings and long rest to suddenly being down 1-0 in a best of five. That's the whiplash that's tough to adjust to, and doesn't feel like enough reward.
But if you can't win a best of seven, you have no room to complain.
At the very least, it really does not seem like the 6 days off is a huge advantage for the top seeds.
The main thing people keep saying it lets the top seeds set up their rotation, but really it’s only an advantage in game 1. Because you get top seed’s#1 against lower seed’s #3, but then in game 2 you get lower seed’s #1 against top seed’s #2, and in game 3 you get lower seed’s #2 against top seed’s #3. So if the higher seed doesn’t win the first game, you’re looking at a much better chance of a sweep.
I wish it would go back to just one WC team, but that isn’t going to happen. Ultimately, I don’t think the MLB will go for any of the fixes people are suggesting. The only way it gets fixed is expansion, realignment, and more teams in the playoffs (which waters down playoffs even more but they want the money).
Best Baseball channel on UA-cam ! Very well done !
This channel honestly puts out some of of the best content on UA-cam. And I'm not even exaggerating
Twins also fell victim to the new analytics department. A few years back when they broke the single season all-time hr record. Pulled the pitcher early, just like the Jays did, and got creamed the rest of the series, keeping the winless playoff record alive.
The 2+4 format is correct but maybe they need to reestructure the number of games per round
• Wildcard = single game at the better team's ballpark
• League semifinals = best of 3
• League finals = best of 5
• World Series = best of 7
AND THE TEXAS RANGERS BEAT THAT RESTED TEAM THE ASTROS IN A MONSTER GAME 7 HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
that was crazy awesome
As a dodger fan lol we were never going to win our pitching was injured beyond repair lol and one of them is probably getting locked up. We were counting on Clayton to save us but he’s also at the his end of career years. As far as the braves I think they just fed into the Phillies fire. They did the iconic “mess around and find out”.
The Trade Deadline is also a thing that happens with about 1/3 of the regular season remaining. Taht alone changes teams in ways that make "inferior" playoff teams more competitive. Over the long term, with enough samples, things will shake out as they "should."
Dodgers and Braves fans in particular who are whining forget improbable things happen every day. In a large sample, you should find improbable runs. In a simplified example, in 200 coin tosses, though you should get ~50/50 results on the whole, you're very likely to hit the same side 7, 8, even 9 times in a row in that sample before you start flipping.
Similar deal here. In a scenario where the WCS winner wins ~33% of the time, sometimes, early in the sample, more WCS winners win the LDS than not.
They always tell you when buying stocks: Past performance does not indicate future results.
Baseball is just a unpredictable sport in general, in a small sample size of the playoffs anything can happen and the best teams don’t always end up on top like they do in a 162 game season
Allegations of a relationship with a minor may be the end of Wander Franco's career. I remember when it was a requirement.
How can you not talk about the MLB deciding to put all the AL WC games on a super-early schedule? Most people are busy on a weekday at 3 PM, but the MLB decided to burn the Rays-Rangers series by giving them all three games at the same weekday start time. The Twins-Jays series had a similar problem with a 4PM start, but at least Minnesota was smart enough to drive the ticket prices down to $6 so they could draw a full crowd. Meanwhile, the MLB decided to reward the National League with primetime starts. Same start times for game two and three. How is it fair that two series get garbage start times for all of its games? Imagine getting into the playoffs and not being able to play a night game once. That was the American League.
Astros still moved on maybe they are just better then your team
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@@Zark_Moneybags69 My team is long gone wtf are you talking about
Pulling berrios is still baffling to me. I get that analytics are a huge part of the game now but there was still no justification for the pull. You can look at the analytics all you want but they will never replace a good manager's feel for the game.
As a WI native, I never really cared for baseball. The brewers were garbage my whole life outside of a few years because apparently its common for teams to load up for a year and then fall back to irrelevance the next. Now, after having heard about this team get bounced from the playoffs after 2 games and them wanting hundreds of millions of tax dollars for stadium renovations on a just over 20 year old stadium or they will relocate, I say good riddance.
I think the old format with the 1 game wild card was the best one. Man those wc games were wild. Made it so much more fun
When I seen that thumbnail I'm like ain't no way that's for the playoffs because every playoff game I've watched in the NLCS OR ALCS has been packed to the fullest
Tampa Bay rays have never had a good crowd short of them making it to the world series their crowd does not show up even in American league championship series their crowd doesn't show all the way up
It's similar to The heat fans they really don't show up till the second half of the game even if they're in the championship 😂😂
I’d much rather watch basketball or certainty football. It’s fun to go to a game but they schedule them at ridiculous times on weekdays. I’m about an hour away from SF and Oakland so we’ve gone to several games this year, its dirt cheap to go to an A’s game lol but despite no one being there the security is always on people’s ass about changing seats. Oracle park is gorgeous though, one of the best in the league for sure.
Houston Astros fan here! even as we’re looking comfortable and heading deeper into the postseason, I still agree with all of your points 🔥👍🏽
Shut up..the trashtros cheated in 2017..
In my opinion 3 wild card teams per league is too many. Division winners shouldn’t have to play a 3 game wild card series
Format or not, I watched the 2011 Phillies run into the buzzsaw that was the St Louis Cardinals after having their best season in franchise history. Didn't make any excuses, they outplayed us. Phillies the last two years have been a team built to win these short series. DBacks knocked us out last year and it was because we stopped hitting and just started free swinging. Have to take accountability when you lose, not blame the system.
2020 playoff structure is the best option. 16 team playoff with no byes. Straight bracket. They probably won’t do it until an expansion to 32 teams comes, though.
Rays stadium is in one of the worst locations possible.
to be fair, the blue jays had 0 runs anyways. Their offence failed while they allowed just 2 runs.
I know this sport doesn't exist, but I still freaking love it. (And I love your channel!)
My issue with the playoffs is we are now in the championship series and yet we still have games starting at 4 in the afternoon onna Monday and we still have both series played on the same day. That’s just a poor layout imo
Honestly there’s only ever just like 6 teams that are World Series quality teams. An 84 win team should not even sniff the playoffs, let alone two, let alone an 88 win Mariners team who ended up missing the playoffs despite being better than both 84 win teams.
I think the wildcard game should be best out of 5. best of 3 is too short. playing 162 games in a season, and playoffs is best of 3 omg. take out 5 regular season games or more and make the wild card best of 5. Or better yet, take off 20 games of the regular season, end it in aug. then make all playoff rounds best of 7, like hockey. nothing worse then waiting all season for your team to get in playoffs and 2 games its over.
Baseball is as entertaining as watching paint dry. Why? No physical contact. Games take too long. Half of the televised game is watching players spit out seeds/chomp on gum/adjust their chains that fall out after every pitch, or swing of the bat. (Should be a rule to not wear jewelry) (your a man not a woman) (look at me, I'm rich....yea we know bro) broadcasters dryer than an Arizona summer. The list goes on and on.
They should adapt the nhl playoffs format
Bro people have been trying to do that moneyball ever since the Athletics like it doesn't work it doesn't produce champions stop trying to use algorithms to predict everything algorithms can't take in to account feeling and momentum switching if we just went based off a algorithm there would be no point to play a game
Only problem with this format is that I don’t like division winners being in the wild card round.
Explain please
@@rustyshackelford4224 What part of division winners shouldn’t be playing in the wildcard round do you not understand lol?
do we add a few more teams so everyone plays in the first round like the ncaa bball tourney? It feels like everything is trending towards that!
Listen to me very carefully. I’ma Rays fan & I love the format. The top teams should just start winning. We had a ton of injuries to some of the top players in the game (Lowe, McClanahan, Rasmussen, etc. (the numbers don’t lie). That was a reason we lost, but again, you gotta win. The shit isn’t unfair. Just don’t hold guys underperforming over their heads due to the format.
And when it comes to the Jays taking Berrios out, that’s just a horrible decision basing off analytics. And I’m a huge advanced stats numbers guy. The Rays did the same stupid move in 2020 when Blake Snell was rolling. You keep him in until he gives up that run. Simple as that.
All I know is that if the Mets got a bye then got swept, no one would question the format. Articles would be “lolMets” instead of suggesting changes.
Get the two teams on a bye to play each other in a 3 game series. Winner gets home-field in LCS. The higher seeds still get rewarded with a bye. Their hitters get to stay sharp by playing in a meaningful game. You can still rest your top starting pitchers by either not playing them at all or by giving them short appearances with limited pitch counts. It's a win for everybody including the fans
This will never ever ever happen, but if there's any sport that would likely benefit from the European Soccer format of the regular season determining the champion with scattered tournaments throughout the year, it would be baseball. But the United States values their playoffs, enjoys the revenue from postseason play, and MLB would also never implement a relegation/promotion system, so a postseason must be built despite the wonky jaded ways of baseball.
I think the one tweak that would help the format on a quality standpoint is reseeding the teams once the divisional rounds start. On a ratings/attendance standpoint, you absolutely have to start the playoffs on the weekend or at the very least on Friday. Starting the playoffs on Tuesday afternoon (and choosing St. Pete as the location of the first game) was quite possibly the stupidest decision made in the Manfred Era.
It puts the teams who win the 1 seeds, at a disadvantage only because they stop playing baseball games for a week, and baseball is a game of consistency
Idc what people say the ones complaining about the new playoff method just mad their team got knock out like I’m a Yankees fan and I’m enjoying every moment of this playoff it’s fun to watch and exciting storyline
The unsolvable issue for baseball is that really any team can win a series if they’re hotter at the time or the other team is slumping. Trea Turner was horrific for 80% of the season and is now one of the 3 players making the Phillies look like World Series favorites. It’s the only sport in the US where a team can go from dominant to completely irrelevant overnight without injuries playing a factor and the reality is that playoffs where all the best teams are eliminated early are going to happen occasionally
Honestly think it's statistical. Orioles were never swept all season, then get swept in the postseason. Same with the Braves getting shutout. Dodgers every postseason. It's all about regression to the mean. Average playoff teams reaching potential vs. Great playoff teams regressing.
A lot of it with teams or areas that aren't super sport fanatics couldnhabe tovdo with a combination of the aforementioned you brought up, momentum, but also inflated ticket prices due to the play offs.
It's an easy decision to nab a ticket fornthe final regular season game that's much cheaper than one in a week or two simply because of the stage of the tournament.
Also, I think losing teams with loyal fanbases will always have a large end of season attendance due to it being the last time to see the team play for the year, hence Royals getting a large attendance.
Enough with the, "it's only been two years of this format." From 2012-2019 & 2021, the wild card defeated the top division winner 9 of 18 times. What has changed since then? A wild card needs to win two games instead of one before the division series. If the wild card winner was beating the top division winner half the time under the previous format, I would expect that trend to continue under the current format. Expect more wild cards in the LCS.
The teams that get byes are not receiving a significant advantage because the wild card winners also get days off after the series so the starters that pitched in the wild card series can start in the next round on regular rest. In fact, there was a day off between games 1& 2 in the National League. Their pitchers get the rest but not long enough so their hitters get rusty.
I do miss watching my mariners play but goodluck to all of the teams in the playoffs (except the astros for personal reasons)
the fun part is seeing the teams that are rarely there have success, with no real salary cap its nice to have lower budget teams get a shot
MLB is scripted
@@rustyshackelford4224 all sports are but its still fun when the others get a shot👍
1) Shorten the season by a week.
2) Use the 2020 playoff format - 8 teams in each league. Top 2 in each division + 2 WCs.
3) WC series - best of 5.
Every other series - best of 7.
Best of 3 is ridiculously absurd.
When the MLB inevitably expands to 32 teams they should do exactly what the NBA does. 7 game series all throughout the playoffs, 1-8 seeds in both leagues. Simple.
They should do 5-7-7-7, but the Playoffs are fine. If a #1 seed can't win a best of series vs a lower seed they don't deserve to win. It's the same way in almost every other sport, but football. The Rays and Marlins are terrible draws and should be relocated to other Markets, but they deserved to make the Playoffs.
Simply put for the rays, if a hockey team can be successful AND popular in Florida, baseball should easily work.
The stadium needs to move to downtown and ownership need to market the team.
I know it isn’t the same as real game pressure and adrenaline, but couldn’t the by-teams just play exhibition games among themselves and give the profits to charity or something? That’s only just come to mind as I’ve typed it. Or hell, play within the team and give out bonuses to players who take it seriously and maintain their performance levels? Bring in minors teams, raise money, instead of sitting around losing their “momentum” and “timing”? Or just expand the number of playoff positions, and seed the top teams against the lowest qualifiers, like basically any other sport that has a tournament group stage? People will find any excuse to bottle it. They really will.
My complaint about the playoffs is not that the new format sucks due to the rest periods, I just think the Wild Card series should be 5 games, and NLDS and on should be 7 games. I know that would result in a huge scheduling nightmare, but I think playing a full 162 games and then being bounced for losing two in a row is pretty lame. You can get knocked out in less time than a series in the regular season
Overall, division titles don’t really matter that much anymore even though they should be a big deal for coming out on top of a 4 month battle with games every day
Analytics said to take out Berrios and bring in Kikuchi, which is why I have never trusted analytics and I don't know why people still do. You can't predict an unpredictable game with math. It doesn't work
Rangers are so slept on this year it’s sad. If the astros weren’t in the division both of those teams would be the best team in baseball, not to mention Seattle was great too. People are acting shocked teams in bad divisions weren’t ready to play!
Is baseball =Tampa? Playoffs on TBS where only 27 people can watch? 1 game wild card was dumb. Playoff baseball has always been different than the reg season. 2 pitchers can dominate any short series and a superstar can have a bad game or 2
Explain how
I think Tampa Bay’s attendance problem isn’t about their payroll or record. It’s because the Trop sucks, and it’s often rated as the worst stadium in the MLB
The real problem is that baseball is not suited well for playoffs of any format. Baseball is a sport where the very best teams win 6.5 out of 10 games and the very worst teams win 3.5 out of 10 games, and every team goes on good and bad runs. Success in baseball should be judged on 162 games. Not some silly playoff. Playoffs at the end of a baseball season are like a shootout at the end of a soccer game. Might as well just have a coin flipping contest.
There’s too many teams….
Outside of having your hometown team in the playoffs,
It’s hard to feel invested in a team because there’s so many games/series that you can’t really keep up.
8 teams tops.
More is not better- late stage capitalism is atrocious.. it really does jack sht up
Would this be a Rays problem more than an MLB playoff problem?
This channel got me back into baseball so much that I attended 6 games this year and followed the season.
Wouldn't have happened without BDE.
The MLB should be subsidizing him.
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Me too honestly
He's almost got me.
Nobody to go with though.
Is a solo trip to a Baseball game worth it? Honest question.
@@wetwrkinc.5122 if you like the game, yes. Just get a good buzz going and talk to the people near you. I went with friends and they annoyed me because I was trying to watch my Cubbies and they were constantly talking to me lmao
For real
As someone from tampa, the problem with the Rays is that the field is an hour and a half from downtown tampa. They are across the bridge in St. Petersburg and trying to get there during rush hour is unimaginable. I moved to Tampa in 2005 and Tropicana field has not changed since at least then. Also the Rays don’t engage the fans as much, with the Tampa Bay Lightning, they do a lot more to keep the crowd engaged and make the fans want to come back. The Rays seem to show up, play a game, and you go home. It lacks the experience of going to a game so nobody wants to go
If the owner was not so cheap the rays would be so much better
@@Anonymous79379Jesus loves everyone
I was surprised you didnt talk about the Home and Away structure of a series. Havine a 2-3-2 structure is a HUGE advantage to the lower seeded team. If they can manage to steal just one game in the first two games at the home of the higher seed, then having the major advantage for the next three games is in sane to me. The NHL and NBA's structure of 2-2-1-1-1 because its fair and then it gives the home advantage for the higher seed on game 7 if needed.
did you watch the playoffs this year? 😅 away team won all the games in the alcs and az had to win two on the road to finish their series. the higher seeded team still has the home field in game 7s with the current set up
You still get 4 games at home as the higher seed with 6/7 at home, its fair. 1-1-1 would absolutely suck for the travel of the players
@@Fly-The-W hockey players and basketball players do it. Both are more physically demanding games
@@srafferty1 I dont get why they would change it when its fine as is
The NBA actually does a 2-3-2 for the finals.
It makes makes it more likely that the higher seed is at home for the deciding game. Almost half of NBA finals have ended on Game 6 over the last 20 years. Without the 2-3-2, this would mean the higher ranked team winning their championship and "celebrating" on the other teams court in front of the other team's fan on Game 6 wins.
It’s crazy how quickly it’s over. You dominate all year, plan all season for the playoffs, go through the long grind and marathon of a season, and then in 2 days it’s over and you go home. That being said, baseball playoffs have always been unpredictable and wild card teams often win it all.
bc they got nothing to lose so they don’t got that much pressure.
The wildcard team winning it all used to be impressive though. The Marlins actually had to fight and earn their spot in the wildcard. They then went on to beat division winners along the way to winning two World Series. These modern World Series will never be as impressive bc of this watered down format smh.
"The postseaon partially explained why baseball was so uniquely resistant to the fruits of of scientific research... It was that the season ended in a giant crapshoot" - Moneyball
Facts. As a Cardinals fan, the best Cardinals team of my life was probably the 2004 team who were swept in the WS. Then in contrast the 2006 team had the worst record of any team to ever win the WS. They were ice cold heading into the playoffs. Baseball being unpredictable is what makes the playoffs so fun to watch. It has always been anyone’s game once you get in.
@@davidkelty7688 How is it not impressive? If anything it should be more impressive. Its a worse team than the old format but still beating the monster teams. Playoff format is no excuse for getting dominated. Good teams show up in big games. Astros aren't complaining because they show up. Its simple as that. Teams beat better teams all the time in baseball, that's what makes baseball and the playoffs so unpredictable and exciting. To blame the losses only because days off is crazy. No teams would willingly chose to be in the WC games and potential elimination vs getting the rotation lined up.
I was lucky enough to be in Clearwater for work during the Rays playoff games, then I found out all the games were at 3pm and couldn’t go.
15 minutes away from the Trop. That start time killed me.
It seems the MLB makes enough money and doesn't care about the fans at all. Why wouldn't they just make it a 16 team post season? Since this would mean more tv and ticket money for the league, and more playoff games, a higher chance for your team to make it to the playoffs for the fans.
Another issue regarding the Rays and sports fandoms in Florida as a whole I really wish people not from Florida would realize is that most Floridians are not from Florida. A state of 22 million people with probably only like 1/10th of that population being actual native Floridians, you're not gonna find a lot of passionate fans of Florida teams unless they are uber successful like the Lightning, Heat, and our biggest D1 colleges. Fans of the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, Chicago teams, etc. will move to FL but refuse to give up those fandoms which have like a century years' worth of traditions and passion associated. Baseball in FL is great for training & Northern teams to have a vacation but not for developing a fanbase.
I’m a first-generation Floridian (meaning I was born and raised in Florida, but my parents were from other states; my mom was born in Maine and raised there and Massachusetts and came to Florida as an adult, while my dad was born in Indiana and moved down to Florida when he was about 10 years old), and this is actually pretty true when it comes to Florida sports.
Just using my family as an example, the only Florida sports teams I’m actually a fan of are the Miami Dolphins (primarily because my dad grew up a fan) and the Orlando Magic (which is the only major professional sports team in Central Florida, where I’m from). Otherwise, most of the teams I tend to support are either from Boston (Red Sox for baseball, Bruins for hockey) or Chicago (primarily the Cubs, which was my paternal grandmother’s favorite team; she sadly didn’t live to see them break their World Series curse). My dad is a lifelong Atlanta Braves fan because he came to Florida when that was the only baseball team broadcasting their games in Central Florida. Before the late ‘80s or so, the only major sports teams in Florida were the Dolphins and the Buccaneers.
Point being, most of the sports leagues haven’t had teams here long enough to really develop a fan base across Florida, and because so many of us have only had our families here for a couple of generations, there isn’t really much generational fandom of the Florida-based teams, and we tend to gravitate more towards teams from states or regions where we have family roots. You’re more likely to see a Red Sox or Yankees fan in most parts of Florida than a Rays or Marlins fan (unless you’re right in the vicinity of Tampa - and the city’s name is Tampa, *not* Tampa Bay - or Miami).
lol I just moved to Orlando area and your spot on or in my areas case a lot of the residents are Latinos who mostly don’t care about our sports let alone speak English
Agreed thats not talked about enough
soooo true!
Totally. I’ve been saying that forever, and I’m 4th generation. Spring training has always been a big deal in FL because snowbirds could see their local teams play with palm trees in the background. I went to 4 Rays games this year, and probably half the fans were wearing the colors of the visiting team. MLB just doesn’t work here, I’m sad to admit
Toronto's big trades sent 9.4 WAR away to obtain 5.3 WAR. Amazing!
taking jose berrios out for yusei kikuchi
We can’t judge a trade for a couple years but still. I miss Moreno a lot
@@rghnwfeovour offense still put up 0
Jays gm Atkins traded away the cleanup batter, lineup protection, & most rbi's on the team, didn't replace any, & when the problem was OBVIOUS at the trade deadline refused to address the issue HE CREATED!
He can't go soon enough!
It will take YEARS to repair the damage he has done to the franchise 🤬
@@kidcrumpet3333 Because of the flawed lineup Atkins put together & refused to fix at the trade deadline 🙄
Can we get this man to 1 million please?
thanks Jeff bezod
Yes
How's about 500k first?
@@danam0228 He's got over seven hundred and fifteen thousand what are you talking about
I don’t know how he isn’t there already…