The fact that Prydwyn bumped HuoHuo up in 2.5 only to bump her BACK down in 2.7, despite her synergistic value with Sunday, tells me all I need to know about how Prydwyn gauges a units “value”. HuoHuo CAN sustain fine enough & no character in the game besides HuoHuo is giving the ENTIRE team energy so why are they acting like her energy providing value decreased just because Lingsha & Aventurine exist? Makes no sense, man
@@BmanRockhart Huohuo best team has fallen off I don't even run her in dot anymore as I replaced her with Aven and Lingsha. But I'm eying her for future teams
@Zoeila That’s the thing. I think HuoHuo, despite her Atk% & 20% energy buff wasn’t meant for DOT, or even FUA/Acheron/Break in the first place. HuoHuo feels like an Abundance version of Topaz wherein Topaz when she released never had a “best team” until Ratio, Robin, Aventurine & Feixiao released. Now she is T0.5. HuoHuo could do the same for teams that heavily need energy like Aglaea, Yunli, Argenti & other future units that want energy
@@BmanRockhart I think she finally found her place now, in hypercarry comps She is the last key to sunday/robin duo, and together all 3 makes an absolute beast of a combo, where all 3 synergize with each other and provide the hypercarry dps with everything they will ever need, especially if you add early eidolons/dps has a summon into the picture. A sustain that provides battery to the whole team... Honestly I'm surprised, how did everyone not realize how broken her kit actually was till now?
@@daridon2483 I think it mainly has to do with folks either A. Not liking HuoHuo as a character B. Already having Fu Xuan/Aventurine C. Seeing 20% energy & 40% atk as “not enough” or D. Not seeing the value in energy gain which 99% of the cast utilizes aside from Feixiao & Acheron. There are a few folks who have been rooting for HuoHuo & it’s great to see them cheer her on, even if Prydwyn won’t When we hit 3.0 & we potentially get a unit in the future who has a WAY higher ult cost than Yunli & Argenti, folks gonna be begging for a sustain who gives 50+ energy to whole team, which would essentially be HuoHuo powercreep which I could see happening knowing Hoyoverse track record
I was looking through mrpokke's stream when he started doing JY showcase. All his teams start with huohuo as a sustain until they get their ass handed to them and he have to switch to Lingsha just to stay alive.
You can't judge Sunday on the summon meta when the summon meta is not here yet so for me, his current placement in 0.5 is good. Yes, he is probably BIS for hypercarry teams but hypercarry teams are not T0 so why should he be T0 right now
They likely didn't want to bring Rappa up just yet to see how Fugue will shake things up. She's minimum going to 0.5 with her maybe even 0, and Boothill too. Firefly will still be competitive but mainly in no sustain comps. Himeko is going to shoot up a lot too from it I think. Not sure what Blade main made the tier list but him above Jingliu, Seele and Himeko is wild. Similar to booting Huohuo to 0.5 on Sunday's release, what were they thinking she's his best sustain, and especially at S0 which is how the tier list is supposed to work. As for Sunday himself it's kinda correct, he exactly go crazy with the top of the DPS roster, but he'll get his day soon.
Sunday obviously can't be T0 when he's not the best support for the best teams currently. As soon as aglaea and other remembrance units come out i expect Sunday can and will move higher.
I don't even know why i got him and maxed him traces wise etc. i don't even use him. Not i want the new characters coming. Beside the 2 dudes in 3.0++++
The crazy part about this tier list is they gave the same reasoning about “needing more testing” that they gave Argenti for Rappa’s tier 1 placement. Firefly has been in T0 since her release. Yet this MOC is not catered to Firefly. Sure she has weakness implant but so does Boothill. So why is Firefly still T0 & not Boothill? Why is Rappa not T0 in this list? Rappa in 2.6 MOC was able to clear just as fast & efficiently, if not BETTER than Firefly yet Firefly is STILL tier 0, & Rappa is in T1 for an MOC in her favor. I can’t agree with them not wanting to boost up Rappa in an MOC catered to her but they’ll move up Jing Yuan because of Sunday’s release. I don’t even have Rappa or Firefly and I feel for Rappa mains. This tier list FEELS very biased
Bro what? Ever since rappa came out the moc has been heavily favoring her, first with exo toughness and now with the second side dinosaur boss which is tailor made for her. With Fugues release she will definitely be t0.5 though
@zzzy1934 My point is if that’s the case, why isn’t in Rappa in T0 or T0.5 now? What are they waiting for? Firefly is T0 right now without Fugue being released. Firefly isn’t clearing this MOC any faster than Rappa is, so why is Firefly a whole 2 tiers above Rappa? This is why I think they’re basing this whole list of of biases
@BmanRockhart ..because fugue isn't out yet? Firefly doesn't benefit from fugue almost at all, the exo toughness doesn't do much for firefly, while it is really good for rappa and boothill. Firefly isnt really getting an upgrade with fugue, in fact hmc is probably still better for her because of DDD
@@zzzy1934 Oh, my bad😅. I keep thinking Firefly wants Fugue because super break. But I also don’t own Firefly so I could just be uninformed as well. I keep forgetting about Fugue’s exo toughness mechanic. Yeah, ok I think I see why Rappa is where she is at. Yeah, Rappa will probably jump up to T0.5 with Fugue, kinda like how jing yuan went to T1 with Sunday. Usually, I play Follow Up or Himeko Break so I’m not that in tune with break characters
@BmanRockhart i mean firefly definitely wants fugue because once you switch hmc to rmc you wont have a superbreak support anymore and fugue would be the only one, its just that fugue doesn't do anything to make firefly better than she is while instead makes rappa and boothill way better
Why? I think it’s unfair to people that pulled hypercarries for the meta not to rotate back at some point for a bit. That’s the cool part about meta, that it changes and rotates back every once in a while.
The fact that Prydwyn bumped HuoHuo up in 2.5 only to bump her BACK down in 2.7, despite her synergistic value with Sunday, tells me all I need to know about how Prydwyn gauges a units “value”. HuoHuo CAN sustain fine enough & no character in the game besides HuoHuo is giving the ENTIRE team energy so why are they acting like her energy providing value decreased just because Lingsha & Aventurine exist? Makes no sense, man
@@BmanRockhart Huohuo best team has fallen off I don't even run her in dot anymore as I replaced her with Aven and Lingsha. But I'm eying her for future teams
@Zoeila That’s the thing. I think HuoHuo, despite her Atk% & 20% energy buff wasn’t meant for DOT, or even FUA/Acheron/Break in the first place. HuoHuo feels like an Abundance version of Topaz wherein Topaz when she released never had a “best team” until Ratio, Robin, Aventurine & Feixiao released. Now she is T0.5. HuoHuo could do the same for teams that heavily need energy like Aglaea, Yunli, Argenti & other future units that want energy
@@BmanRockhart I think she finally found her place now, in hypercarry comps
She is the last key to sunday/robin duo, and together all 3 makes an absolute beast of a combo, where all 3 synergize with each other and provide the hypercarry dps with everything they will ever need, especially if you add early eidolons/dps has a summon into the picture.
A sustain that provides battery to the whole team... Honestly I'm surprised, how did everyone not realize how broken her kit actually was till now?
@@daridon2483 I think it mainly has to do with folks either A. Not liking HuoHuo as a character B. Already having Fu Xuan/Aventurine C. Seeing 20% energy & 40% atk as “not enough” or D. Not seeing the value in energy gain which 99% of the cast utilizes aside from Feixiao & Acheron. There are a few folks who have been rooting for HuoHuo & it’s great to see them cheer her on, even if Prydwyn won’t
When we hit 3.0 & we potentially get a unit in the future who has a WAY higher ult cost than Yunli & Argenti, folks gonna be begging for a sustain who gives 50+ energy to whole team, which would essentially be HuoHuo powercreep which I could see happening knowing Hoyoverse track record
I was looking through mrpokke's stream when he started doing JY showcase. All his teams start with huohuo as a sustain until they get their ass handed to them and he have to switch to Lingsha just to stay alive.
You can't judge Sunday on the summon meta when the summon meta is not here yet so for me, his current placement in 0.5 is good. Yes, he is probably BIS for hypercarry teams but hypercarry teams are not T0 so why should he be T0 right now
Exactly right
i'm wait for my anaxa for boosting my archeron to next level
They likely didn't want to bring Rappa up just yet to see how Fugue will shake things up. She's minimum going to 0.5 with her maybe even 0, and Boothill too. Firefly will still be competitive but mainly in no sustain comps. Himeko is going to shoot up a lot too from it I think. Not sure what Blade main made the tier list but him above Jingliu, Seele and Himeko is wild. Similar to booting Huohuo to 0.5 on Sunday's release, what were they thinking she's his best sustain, and especially at S0 which is how the tier list is supposed to work. As for Sunday himself it's kinda correct, he exactly go crazy with the top of the DPS roster, but he'll get his day soon.
You really gonna be using huohuo with S0 Sunday? That seems like SP nightmare
Sunday obviously can't be T0 when he's not the best support for the best teams currently. As soon as aglaea and other remembrance units come out i expect Sunday can and will move higher.
can’t believe acheron is still in 0.5
We out here with yu gi oh duelist of the roses music lol nice!
Just to add. They will probably bump Rappa after Fugue's release. With her kit I see that as a next natural step.
Time to drink my tea while I watch peoples opnions in the comments as always lol.
Honestly I think Houhou's usage is going to go down when the summoning meta comes out since she doesn't have AOE healing
I really love blade, he needs a rework, or something. MAKE BLADE GOOD AGAIN PLS hoyo!
I don't even know why i got him and maxed him traces wise etc. i don't even use him. Not i want the new characters coming. Beside the 2 dudes in 3.0++++
prydwyn its occured
this take makes 0 sense and how will fugue be 1.5 when she is hmc level it just doesnt make sense bro
The crazy part about this tier list is they gave the same reasoning about “needing more testing” that they gave Argenti for Rappa’s tier 1 placement. Firefly has been in T0 since her release. Yet this MOC is not catered to Firefly. Sure she has weakness implant but so does Boothill. So why is Firefly still T0 & not Boothill? Why is Rappa not T0 in this list? Rappa in 2.6 MOC was able to clear just as fast & efficiently, if not BETTER than Firefly yet Firefly is STILL tier 0, & Rappa is in T1 for an MOC in her favor. I can’t agree with them not wanting to boost up Rappa in an MOC catered to her but they’ll move up Jing Yuan because of Sunday’s release. I don’t even have Rappa or Firefly and I feel for Rappa mains. This tier list FEELS very biased
Bro what? Ever since rappa came out the moc has been heavily favoring her, first with exo toughness and now with the second side dinosaur boss which is tailor made for her. With Fugues release she will definitely be t0.5 though
@zzzy1934 My point is if that’s the case, why isn’t in Rappa in T0 or T0.5 now? What are they waiting for? Firefly is T0 right now without Fugue being released. Firefly isn’t clearing this MOC any faster than Rappa is, so why is Firefly a whole 2 tiers above Rappa? This is why I think they’re basing this whole list of of biases
@BmanRockhart ..because fugue isn't out yet? Firefly doesn't benefit from fugue almost at all, the exo toughness doesn't do much for firefly, while it is really good for rappa and boothill. Firefly isnt really getting an upgrade with fugue, in fact hmc is probably still better for her because of DDD
@@zzzy1934 Oh, my bad😅. I keep thinking Firefly wants Fugue because super break. But I also don’t own Firefly so I could just be uninformed as well. I keep forgetting about Fugue’s exo toughness mechanic. Yeah, ok I think I see why Rappa is where she is at. Yeah, Rappa will probably jump up to T0.5 with Fugue, kinda like how jing yuan went to T1 with Sunday. Usually, I play Follow Up or Himeko Break so I’m not that in tune with break characters
@BmanRockhart i mean firefly definitely wants fugue because once you switch hmc to rmc you wont have a superbreak support anymore and fugue would be the only one, its just that fugue doesn't do anything to make firefly better than she is while instead makes rappa and boothill way better
if the meta is changing to hyper carry i quit
Why? I think it’s unfair to people that pulled hypercarries for the meta not to rotate back at some point for a bit. That’s the cool part about meta, that it changes and rotates back every once in a while.
Good
no ones gonna miss u blud