y’all need to get some mfers who actually have good arguments rather than fools who don’t even kno what they’re saying cus these debates just feel one sided
Bro I'm saying!!! Disagreement debates like these should be interesting and thought-provoking for EVERYONE involved. When you have these morons who don't even really know what they're debating, go on the stream to debate, it becomes boring because Colin and SK almost immediately shuts it down. It's made even worse when they just keep talking and regurgitating themselves. They have a whole lot to say but end up saying nothing that truly contributes to the debate.
@THEMAST3RARTISAN Thank you two are the ones with brains unlike with bald spot Colin and cowardly sk since they always never let anyone talk or get anyone that ain't a yes men to them.
I think it really speaks to how solid Colin and SK's points are. It would take someone else who has around the same validity in their arguments in order to actually entertainingly argue with them. The reason why the people who are debating with them seem like "fools" is because they don't really have any good reason for why they disagree. For example, the Sam Raimi spiderman dude in the video just keeps saying that green goblin wasn't character assassinated because he "feels like the goblin [he] knew in 2007." If anyone were to come on their stream and have an entertaining debate, they would have to actually prepare points with enough evidence and logic that correctly support their statements instead of just saying f*ck it and going into disagreement day guns blazing like these "fools." It's an uphill battle, especially with Colin and SK already having established their arguments through the large amount of time spent analyzing and justifying their points in the process of making their videos. I just wanna clarify as well, I totally agree with your statement. I also agree a lot with Colin's points in his videos. W UA-camr.
@@weebomitch7731 This is late af but while I think Colin is a good youtuber and a great example of dissecting media. He is quite overrated when it comes to debunking vids and not really a good debater. He has this habit of going "STOP TALKIN STOP TALKIN" on some of his disagreement days, which is kinda cringe and just isnt an example of good debating. The comment had a point, disagreement days usually dont feature ppl with valuble points.
I think people forget that no matter the stakes Peter never wanted to be Spider-Man, he's only Spider-Man because of his ties to responsibility and hes thought of giving up multiple times
This is Tobey Maguire’s spider-man, not Stan and Steve’s. Sure he initially didn’t want the responsibility but after Ben dies he starts taking pride in the spider-man mantle and when he returns to the suit it’s because he wants to protect those he loves not because he has an obligation.
@@azure4277How does that fit Tobeys Spider-Man? He had just discovered his powers and used them to get quick money. To me it seems he didn’t understand what all he could do with powers rather than him having reluctance to take responsibility. He was young and ignorant. He thought that what his uncle was saying was from misunderstanding his circumstances then to realized how true his words were. The bandwidth of his last lesson slowly dawned on him.
5:15 He only took his mask off once he got to the bell tower and the class was somewhere safe and out of sight. There was also nobody around filming, there were no news sights as well.
Imo, the whole trilogy was about his Spider-Man origin story, he only truly learned "With great power comes great responsibility" at NWH, so it makes some sense. That's when he truly becomes Spider-man.
I don't think that was the plan from the start. He still had an uncle Ben who died, then he fought in the 'Civil war', went to space and fought Thanos, got dusted and revived, got tricked by mysterio and only now he's learning the lesson of responsibility and becoming spiderman? It just doesn't fit.
I think alot of those conversation kinda ignores that, Peter is still like 16 in this movie……and actively lacks the “with great power comes great responsibility” moment So the stuff that’s seen as “Peter not caring” is more-so him caring, but being selfish and prioritizing his personal life more. Which is something he often times *refuses to do* post “great power, great responsibility” And there’s also the specific journey this Peter goes through that explains his character becoming like this, compared to him in infinity war and endgame. We meet him as a kid that’s eager to impress his idol….whereas by this movie, he’s struggling alot more with finding his balance in life. This ties back to my first point as well….he lacks that *true* selflessness……because he never really had it. Its was all posturing + necessity from him being a loner. And that’s what makes the ending of NWH such an effective decision for MCU Peter to me. It’s him finally taking that step into what it means to be SpiderMan. It’s him finally realizing the responsibility he has. Put Post NWH Peter (as they’ve tried to set him up to be) in any of the other movies, and your complaints about the character probably go away *Granted, they definitely could have done something to make certain things fit together in the larger context. It always seems like they approach these movies with nothing more than a loose outline of where the character should go to tie it all together….and then everything else around it is just done with only itself as consideration*
I disagree he lacks the “with great power comes great responsibility” moment. In Civil War, he says that: "when you can do the things that I can, but you don't and then the bad things happen; they happen because of you." Peter had already realized the responsibility that he has.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 I mean he lacks that specific “canon event” for lack of a better term Like, there’s a major difference between general sense of responsibility and *guilt based* sense of responsibility A person who’s had a family member die of cancer, will often *never* turn down a chance to donate to those who have it…..as opposed to the normal person, that understands the responsibility, yet doesn’t have enough personal skin in the game, so they only donate “when they can” He has *some* sense of responsibility, yes, otherwise he just wouldn’t have been Spider-Man at all…..but without that more personal moment, it makes sense for him to have times where he just wants to be a selfish kid, and is like “dawg, let the fing Avengers handle it….i wanna go to prom”
@@Kurotama11 That way Peter says it makes it sound like he does have a guilt based sense of responsibility, presumable from Uncle Ben's death. I think it's very obvious that we are supposed to assume that Peter lost Unlce Ben in similar way to other movies, or at least that something bad happened to Peter that feels guilty about. "it makes sense for him to have times where he just wants to be a selfish kid" - Not if the world is at stake. And Fury told him that no other heroes were available. And he left his prom date in Homecoming to go after the Vulture. I don't believe for a second that Peter would not help Mysterio just becasue he felt unsure about himself.
In ffh If nick fury didn't force him to do anything he would have just continued having fun on his vacation so peter is selfish in this movie cause he dosnet want to save the world even tho it's going to end
ur dumb im sorry, and you didnt watch the movie, he didn't think he was up for the job and he didnt want to risk his identity. He thought that the elementals were better off being stopped by like literally anyone else
He didn’t know the world was going to end all he knew was nick was calling him. He just said get someone else to solve the “problem”. He didn’t know the severity 🤦🏾♂️
@@romanbeatz3150They explain that in the whole bunker scene or whatever when we get introduced to Mysterio. Quinton elaborates how the elementals are multidimensional beings that destroyed his world and killed his wife which he points out through the ring on his finger. He also elaborates that they are coming back to destroy Peter's but Peter doesn't make an attempt or effort to stop it. Mysterio's illusions are obviously fake and the elementals aren't real threats. But Peter doesn't know that yet still doesn't make the attempt to stop the attack even if he'd lose. One of the core fundamentals of Peter Parker's character is that he will always look out for the little guy and always be there for the people first as the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. But if the world is gonna die, he'll make every attempt he can to stop it and keep fighting. Even at the cost of his life. These details should be abundantly apparent if you watched the film or understand ANYTHING about Peter Parker's character and/or what it means to be Spider-Man 🤦🤦
@@CrusaderWebhead3962 sounds more than he thought he could handle or deal with. There are still ALOT of heroes on earth and Peter knows via endgame. He’s not 22 yr old Peter, him having a selfish MOMENT not whole movie shows a young spider man still growing hence why he’ll be in upcoming movies. Bruh just lost his teacher and five years and just wanna get the girl. Valid he thought fury was barking up the wrong tree.
tbh, they lost me when the discussion got to basic power scaling, like, do we really not have anything deeper to talk about than simple action sequences?
@@jropzone6463 Nah he vapes he's done it on stream. Still seems pretty cool but vaping is the most retarded decision you can make for your health. Especially coming from a guy who can make some pretty damn compelling arguments
Luke's character @ssass!nation was far worse than anything that was changed about Tobey's Spider-Man. That's like a night and day comparison. Apples to oranges. There were some instances where Tobey's Parker was out of character but I don't think that accounts for the majority of his appearnce and therefore applying the character @ssass!nation card wouldn't make sense.
@@C0LIN. Keep in mind that not everyone read what he said in that ONE scene in less 10 secs the same way that you and bad takes SJK mentioned. How did him saying that he died in his arms and that he tried to kill him in the past instantly signifies that both things are linked with eachother? It was a way to sum up his whole role in the that rd film to general audience as well. Do u usually nitpick this hard?
Green Goblin doesn’t care about anyone and he wants to conquer the world, that’s why he wants to stay, Norman wants to go home, not goblin, the only thing goblin wants is power.
Why tf would that have to be in the mcu world tho, that makes no sense, he dosnt have his gadges or his wealth in the mcu, he wouldnt be able to have as much power in the mcu world as he would in the raimi world, hes evil not stupid
@@Yakonsupremacy Well from what he knows, he is about to die. So staying in the mcu will save his life. So then he will be able to gain power eventually and conquer. But if he were to go back, he would die. Thats why he doesnt want to go back
In all fairness i love you colin but it is not a dead argument of his "moral choice" because across media spiderman has contemplated about his own life or saving the world yes the way they wrote it wasnt done well but it is part of the character as hes contemplated on giving up his powers knowing his own villains would still be around it takes him remembering uncle ben in order to want to stay as spiderman.
19:27 "theres no need to laugh at me" tbf i think Colin was just laughing at how goofy that "COWARD! WE HAVE A NEW WORLD TO CONQUER!" line rather than a Condescending laugh of his opinion
What i feel like what people arent taking into account...norman wouldve gotten the cure before going home. So goblin would be dead, so it makes sense why he doesnt wanna go back because he is literally not going to exist anymore if Peter does what he does. If the cure wasnt being made he wouldve been more compelled to go back. And since norman was in control for most of the time goblin couldnt try and leave earlier.
I can acc agree on why green goblin would wanna stay since he got killed with his glider yes you guys says he can just avoid it but he doesn’t know if he’s going to die the exact moment he gets back home that’s what worries them. Like electro he got teleported to a different universe exactly when he was about to die and dock ock to. This was poorly explained but I can acc understand. Every villain thought that box to was going to instantly kill the to so yeah
Spider-man in the comics can actually heal broken bones with his healing factor, just not as fast as wolverine or deadpool. In one of the old comics he gets his arm broken and after a night of sleep, he wakes up and his arm is fully healed.
Sk’s video on Spider-Man Is bad because he kinda nit picks like Colin does but worse… like he points out things that don’t brake the film or make it bad. It kinda just seems like he didn’t like the movie because it wasn’t perfect 😂
You're not allowed to point out minor flaws? And SK really liked it a first despite it's problems, he said it was one of his favorite Spider-Man movies in the first video that he made about it.
@@MillieArt2124_ "Sk’s video on Spider-Man Is bad because he nitpicks like Colin does but worse… he points out things that don’t brake the film or make it bad." - You literally said that his video was bad becasue he points out minor things.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 no you said “ you’re not allowed to point out minor flaws?” I never said he couldn’t… only that those small flaws don’t make a movie bad to watch. He can argue that it’s an ok film but it wasn’t bad…
@@MillieArt2124_ You say that his video was bad, and the only reason you gave as to why is that he points out things that don't brake the film or make it bad (which is only like 2% of the video, the rest are things that definitely damage the overall quality of the film). Then you make a bad faith assumption that he didn't like the movie because it's not perfect.
@@BLUDSON717 16 and toms story of uncle ben is likely different from tobey and andrews we never get a scene or a good amount of context so we will never know for sure
17:58 I dont think this point holds up too well, if all Norman needed to do was kill him faster, he would have done it, hes been trying to kill him that entire fight. Yes, he knows *how* Peter wins against him, but he still knows that he won. If i had the option between staying in one world versus going back to a situation where I *know* I've already lost once, I'd probably choose to stick around too
Doesn’t the fact that in no way home doc ock knows how green goblin dies due to it being all over the news create plot holes? Harry doesn’t figure this out till the end of Spider-Man 3
Tom is a good spider man, I like Homcoming as a spider man movie, cause he’s funny and Vulture isn’t comic accurate, but is badass. No way home is good for him as spider man since because of one mistake, he lost everything for it. Like spider man would. Far from home is a movie trying to let him do everything by himself.
Spider-Man 2 is the greatest one in y’all eyes… so when Tobey gives up being Spider-Man it’s all good. But when Tom does its character assassination? Tf. And ion wanna hear “tobey had a reason” bruh Toms mentor was Ironman the greatest hero ever (in his universe) and he had to watch him die. That was traumatic for him, and he doesn’t think he can fill his shoes. Not assassination just simply he’s a kid doubting himself.
Spider-Man 2 isn't the greatest in our eyes. And yes Tom leaving the entire world to die while he's happy about not wanting to help. Is blatant character assassination, he would die as well, and it would make Tony Starks sacrifice meaningless on Earth. Tobey in Spider-Man 2 isn't dealing with the end of the world, his life is falling apart, and his powers are working inconsistently and he's losing them. So yes him quitting being Spider-Man in that movie makes sense. Tom not wanting to help with the end of the world isn't justified by literally anything... DH
@@C0LIN. Tobey literally sees a guy getting jumped and mugged but continues to eat shove a hotdog down his throat ctfu. I mean we can sit here and nitpick every little detail and call it “character assassination” but that would just be absurd. Just because the story doesn’t go your way doesn’t mean it’s bad. I mean he literally learns his lesson during the movie and still saves the day. Plus…Beck was a narcissistic supervillain whose whole character is built off of illusion and lies. Not hard for him to trick Tom into giving up Edith and convincing him he’s a better option to save the world, especially since Tom was a grieving teenager who’s already seen his demise in a world ending event before.
Yes, you are correct. Spiderman 2 is the best. But you are incorrect because the reason Tobey quit being Spiderman is because his powers stopped functioning.
I feel like with tobey, its out of character but not character assassinated. He felt like an older version of his character with the only scene is him talking about harry is the only scene. But with the tom was character assassinated was mostly nitpicks. I know toms peter feels out of character but again like tobey, not character assassinated
Where'd he get the other mask? Uhhh... found another mask and put it on later And he took it off. I said that in the video ....................... Bro they weren't even looking. It's the best part of the whole thing 😂
Uh sorry not to be an asshole here but you're telling me at the age that Peter Parker is in Spider-Man Far From Home you're telling me that he's just going let Nick Fury tell him what to do when he knows that there are better people for the job? Also he does care about the world because there are other heroes in this universe you just straight up told a complete lie and don't say I'm mad because you criticized a movie I like because it's fine to have different opinions but lying to your viewers is the wrong way to do it.
He didn't care enough about the world to try to save it after having been told that it was gonna end. And Fury told him that there weren't anybody else, that they needed Spider-Man's help.
Jfc this Spider-Man shit is serious lmao This is the only community where people legitimately get pissy at each other over opinions about a stupid comic book movie.
@@channel45853 Never implied I was. This obviously means a lot to some people and that’s fine. I’ll never understand talking to someone with a tone that sounds like you think they’re an idiot and then mocking them for taking a bit to respond but hey, whatever floats your boat.
While I can confidently agree with ffh being a genuine mess of a film the arguments u presented are just ridiculous lmao. 1. Stop using edge of time as an example just because they explain he’s similar to the base level interpretation of Peter doesn’t mean he’s completely the same, u have literally no context of his mental state prior or anything he’s gone through with anyone on his earth to reach this point, he could just interpret the uncle Ben speech a little differently, and his mentality might just be different and that specific choice is hard for him too deal with. Also Peters plan is to risk potentially helping both but caring more about his loved ones which shows him still caring about the city and u have no prior context of how he specifically deals with risks lol. 2. Peter couldve have examined at multiple points if people were looking before he fought unmasked, or even if ppl did find out and look to see him fighting he would’ve just explained it was temporary tech by the hero’s of he found it randomly at the cust of the battle for protection? U realize this universe and especially peters class are really stupid(big issue with the movie) and are written to not understand certain things right? 3. Peters mentality before the sheild things was completely tampered with along with him already being young, probably saturated and sick of crime fighting, and probably was going to wait to ACTUALLY see how bad the elementals are before dropping his trip. Once again brother u have literally no context of how Peter deals with this kind of stress or how his mentality could be compromised please make points about ACTUAL contradictions lmao. The problem with this type of content is not only what ur saying 7 times out 10 wrong and stupid but inherently subjective presented as objective problems with films. Everything u point out to a certain amount of ppl literally could be solved by simply stating every universe has things that might seem like condridictions to us but make sense in the actual universe. What if I said “the plot hold goblin took ahold of this character and made him do this thing” then what? After that whether u like or feel satisfied with that answer is subjective. U thinking ur personal view on media is objective and everyone else’s is either stupid or subjective is exactly why u lack media literacy and aren’t even worth taking serious lmao.
Crazy how literally everything u just said has been rebutted in SKs Edge of Time videos, this video, and or my FFH video. I doubt I will show up on Disagreement Day, bc most ppl like u usually don’t. But let’s see if u have some balls other than a YT comment to make urself feel better. 4pm EST today
I’ll say this right now: Tom holland is a good spider man actor. But this version of spider man is stupid, childish, lacks character development, and it seems Sony doesn’t even care about making his movies good anymore since they’re making spider man 4 a MULTIVERSE movie (obviously) and overall, this version of spider man is just ass
14:48 This goes to show that MCU Spider-Man fans are not truly actual Spider-Man fans because they really do not understand the character and want to come up with shitty excuses or make the writing for the writers . . . Sorry but . . . You got heart, but you're all as sharp as a marble . . .
We’re there any good arguments to highlight? Also maybe you should be a little less harsh, at times you weren’t as calm…....these are your fans even if they disagree with you and aren’t the best at at arguing & understanding the writing and storytelling etc
MCU Peter is flawed the character is good but it's just the story of no way home and far from home are really bad and make the character of Peter Parker a dumbass
I kinda wish I was there on stream, cuz ur video was terrible and basically all nitpicks and 0 criticisms, to have as many issues as you did with the movie and to think its the worst spider-man movie is insane cuz all your issues are pretty much "Why did they do it this way and get this result, when they could do it my way and get the same exact result?"
I personally never took the MCU movies seriously, it was just fun and entertaining to watch. The only MCU movies which I seriously took were Avengers Endgame & Infinty War. I am a huge Spidey fan, I've watched all shows and movies, read many comics to know enough about him and the brand. I'm the type of fan that would defend the tasm series and Spider-man 3 at all costs. Yes I did enjoy those movies, I actually did like them. Now by the looks of it, Colin and another YTuber criticized the mcu spidey movies and the character. What they say isn't totally wrong but for me personally, I don't take this version of spidey seriously. Yes the portrayal is not the best of all live actions, maybe worst. I don't like the the whole spidey being a sidekick of Tony situation, but it was new. It worked fine till FFH. Like Peter was being ridiculously stupid, even though he is a teenager, he wasn't taking things seriously. My only reasoning for that is that the MCU is just that way, everything is just a joke and chaos, comical at times as well. The MCU portrays more of the quirky sides of superheroes, which is something I've noticed, so that combined with Peter being 16-17 in FFH, makes sense. Now coming to NWH. It was a fun movie, it was fan service at it's finest. The multiverse, old spideys and villains, it was amazing. I loved seeing Tobey and Andrew back, it was just an amazing experience. The comedy and references were amazing, it was a combination of nostalgia and new. The very end of that movie changed my perspective on the MCU spidey. My speculation is that the Uncle Ben event wasn't too impactful, so all the horrible stuff happens in NWH to shape this character. Peter went through a lot of stuff as a high school student and now his identity is erased, basically a restart for Peter, but Spidey continues his thing. I think people took this character a bit too serious and that's where all this criticism came from. Even Doctor Strange didn't take Peter as a serious threat and he was going easy. Maybe Tony did do something dumb by giving Peter the EDITH glasses. Yes the could've kept Quentin Beck under the radar in case he did smth. Yeah the writing isn't great but I'm sure everyone enjoyed the dialogues and screen presence. Now the criticism would make sense if this after the tragic event in NWH, and moving forward the mcu movies portrayed Spider-man as still a not so mature dumb hero. After all, this version of Spider-man has just started his journey. He literally grew up in a world with other superheroes so he might've not been able to shine in his early stages. He was a young teenager in the mcu, he's going to make a lot mistakes for sure. Now that all the Avengers have basically retired and he's the next generation of frontline heroes, we will hopefully see a newer and more mature version of that Peter, you never know. Not all Spider-man Stories have to be the same.
Homecoming he learns about responsibility, in far from home he forgets about that, and has to learn what responsibility is, AGAIN. And I would say that No way home suffers from that again, cuz he commits some pretty stupid decisions yatayatayata, but well it is what it is
Bro what is wrong with being a Spider-Man fan as an adult? That's literally a normal thing, also these are movie reviewers it's their job to Critique MOVIES, which Spider-Man does have
Wow just complete brain rot, ironically just now watching this after your analysis on media discourse and the "culture war" of films and shows and how to actually properly dissect writing objectively and subjectively and omg I should've watched this first lmao like wow I'm not a expert at debating or anything but this shit is so bad 😭
He gave you moments without him even speaking he did. You kept repeating the same things and trying to justify peter not wanting to help because of heroes like Thor and cm.
@@PlushiePengu Yes Thor and Captain Marvel are not available but they aren't the only heroes that exist. I do admit I repeated a lot and should not have gone in circles but it was never said in that scene that there were no other heroes available just that the ones he mentioned like CM and Thor aren't. You can ASSUME but it's not 100% a known fact as they didn't specifically say that.
@@jropzone6463but it’s directly implied due to Nick Fury (or Talos in this case) going to Peter Parker and being EXTREMELY persistent on trying to get him to help. Tell me, if there was anyone else available for him to recruit that was better equipped, do you really think he would keep harassing Peter. Not everything has to be outright said for it to be interpreted brother
@@korvasslade8756 he wasn't extremely persistent from Peter perspective if he just let him walk away the first time there is also an explanation that they would see him as the next Iron Man like the media does and overrate his abilities
@@jropzone6463 but he was extremely persistent when he hijacked his trip and forced it to go to the next city where the next attack would be. Obviously he wasn’t just gonna restrain him or try to physically force him, that wouldn’t accomplish anything. Nick fury already explained how dire the situation was, so Peter should already understood how important his help would be. Also, they see him as the next POTENTIAL Iron man, not that they think he’s already as capable and experienced. Shield ain’t that stupid
Completely unbiased: Far from home was eerily bleak and Tom could not have given up being Spider-Man because his character hadn’t actually matured into Spiderman yet. No one has a problem with Peter being a human. It’s the fact that this guy is done being a hero when he’s not even Spider-Man yet and atp we’ve barely seen him do anything worth while.
Tbh, the worst movie by far is amazing Spider-Man 2, the pacing is awful, the script is terrible. There are so many plot points and plot holes in this damn movie to where it can flat out ruin the movie. You can clearly see that the director had a vision and instead had to change it constantly for the final product. It is by far the worse Spider-Man movie
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS Why am i in this it was my first time ok it was hard trying to think of a argument and your saying mine was the worst what is your problem
@@devonedrumzz its not funny to a guy like me who was having a hard time thinking of a good argument i wanted it to be kept civil as possible and these 2 jokers go behind my back and do this
Tom is my favorite Spider-Man. He has THE best Comic Accurate Spider-Man Suit, some of the best Peter Parker I’ve seen, quippy and funny and emotional. (Best traits of Spider-Man.) His Arc from being given all these cool gadgets and having it all to having no one and nothing and becoming a bit wiser from older more experienced Spider-men.
I think the first guy’s argument could work when only looking at the context of FFH. Different interpretations of the character are fine and if they want to tell a story of Peter not feeling like a hero that’s fine. Only problem is the core values he had in HC were far too overly contradicted in FFH. Like why would the guy who almost oofed himself over a weapon-trade ring act so irresponsible over a potential cataclysm? It’s far too out of character by their own standard. I partially agree with both arguments about Goblin. Honestly he still acts similar to his Raimi variant; the only weird thing is his motivation that is clearly flawed to push the narrative of the story
Nobody hates spiderman more than spiderman fans
Based
Cough Cough marvel editorial
Nah leave that quote for star wars lmao
bro acting like the writers don't exist
*writers
y’all need to get some mfers who actually have good arguments rather than fools who don’t even kno what they’re saying cus these debates just feel one sided
Bro I'm saying!!! Disagreement debates like these should be interesting and thought-provoking for EVERYONE involved. When you have these morons who don't even really know what they're debating, go on the stream to debate, it becomes boring because Colin and SK almost immediately shuts it down. It's made even worse when they just keep talking and regurgitating themselves. They have a whole lot to say but end up saying nothing that truly contributes to the debate.
@THEMAST3RARTISAN Thank you two are the ones with brains unlike with bald spot Colin and cowardly sk since they always never let anyone talk or get anyone that ain't a yes men to them.
I think it really speaks to how solid Colin and SK's points are. It would take someone else who has around the same validity in their arguments in order to actually entertainingly argue with them. The reason why the people who are debating with them seem like "fools" is because they don't really have any good reason for why they disagree. For example, the Sam Raimi spiderman dude in the video just keeps saying that green goblin wasn't character assassinated because he "feels like the goblin [he] knew in 2007." If anyone were to come on their stream and have an entertaining debate, they would have to actually prepare points with enough evidence and logic that correctly support their statements instead of just saying f*ck it and going into disagreement day guns blazing like these "fools." It's an uphill battle, especially with Colin and SK already having established their arguments through the large amount of time spent analyzing and justifying their points in the process of making their videos. I just wanna clarify as well, I totally agree with your statement. I also agree a lot with Colin's points in his videos. W UA-camr.
@@weebomitch7731 This is late af but while I think Colin is a good youtuber and a great example of dissecting media. He is quite overrated when it comes to debunking vids and not really a good debater.
He has this habit of going "STOP TALKIN STOP TALKIN" on some of his disagreement days, which is kinda cringe and just isnt an example of good debating.
The comment had a point, disagreement days usually dont feature ppl with valuble points.
one day
Bro that whole stream there was a war in the chat 😂😂 I didn’t even watch the stream for like the last 2 hours
What was it about?
@@johnnycraft4583 i dont think you wanna know
@@johnnycraft4583 you don’t wanna know 😂
@@MrRexy-vm8dr I do
I think people forget that no matter the stakes Peter never wanted to be Spider-Man, he's only Spider-Man because of his ties to responsibility and hes thought of giving up multiple times
The difference is this is the world, the entire world thats on the line. And it ruins his character from infinity war
@@Yakonsupremacycould you say the same for Shinji who doesn’t wanna get in the robot?
@@desispartashinji was strong armed into it from the beginning, no one made Peter be a hero, it’s by choice and therefore the standards are different
This is Tobey Maguire’s spider-man, not Stan and Steve’s. Sure he initially didn’t want the responsibility but after Ben dies he starts taking pride in the spider-man mantle and when he returns to the suit it’s because he wants to protect those he loves not because he has an obligation.
@@azure4277How does that fit Tobeys Spider-Man? He had just discovered his powers and used them to get quick money. To me it seems he didn’t understand what all he could do with powers rather than him having reluctance to take responsibility. He was young and ignorant. He thought that what his uncle was saying was from misunderstanding his circumstances then to realized how true his words were. The bandwidth of his last lesson slowly dawned on him.
the guy in the first debate (not sk or collin) omfg insufferable
5:15 He only took his mask off once he got to the bell tower and the class was somewhere safe and out of sight. There was also nobody around filming, there were no news sights as well.
What about cameras that are in the city
"Watch out We're spiderman fans we dont even know our own character's"
Imo, the whole trilogy was about his Spider-Man origin story, he only truly learned "With great power comes great responsibility" at NWH, so it makes some sense. That's when he truly becomes Spider-man.
They have a unique take on the "with great power, comes great responsibility" in civil war though
I don't think that was the plan from the start. He still had an uncle Ben who died, then he fought in the 'Civil war', went to space and fought Thanos, got dusted and revived, got tricked by mysterio and only now he's learning the lesson of responsibility and becoming spiderman? It just doesn't fit.
@b_a_t_m_a_n_ i wanna like MCU Spider-Man, but i just don't
I think alot of those conversation kinda ignores that, Peter is still like 16 in this movie……and actively lacks the “with great power comes great responsibility” moment
So the stuff that’s seen as “Peter not caring” is more-so him caring, but being selfish and prioritizing his personal life more. Which is something he often times *refuses to do* post “great power, great responsibility”
And there’s also the specific journey this Peter goes through that explains his character becoming like this, compared to him in infinity war and endgame. We meet him as a kid that’s eager to impress his idol….whereas by this movie, he’s struggling alot more with finding his balance in life. This ties back to my first point as well….he lacks that *true* selflessness……because he never really had it. Its was all posturing + necessity from him being a loner.
And that’s what makes the ending of NWH such an effective decision for MCU Peter to me. It’s him finally taking that step into what it means to be SpiderMan. It’s him finally realizing the responsibility he has.
Put Post NWH Peter (as they’ve tried to set him up to be) in any of the other movies, and your complaints about the character probably go away
*Granted, they definitely could have done something to make certain things fit together in the larger context. It always seems like they approach these movies with nothing more than a loose outline of where the character should go to tie it all together….and then everything else around it is just done with only itself as consideration*
I disagree he lacks the “with great power comes great responsibility” moment. In Civil War, he says that: "when you can do the things that I can, but you don't and then the bad things happen; they happen because of you." Peter had already realized the responsibility that he has.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 I mean he lacks that specific “canon event” for lack of a better term
Like, there’s a major difference between general sense of responsibility and *guilt based* sense of responsibility
A person who’s had a family member die of cancer, will often *never* turn down a chance to donate to those who have it…..as opposed to the normal person, that understands the responsibility, yet doesn’t have enough personal skin in the game, so they only donate “when they can”
He has *some* sense of responsibility, yes, otherwise he just wouldn’t have been Spider-Man at all…..but without that more personal moment, it makes sense for him to have times where he just wants to be a selfish kid, and is like “dawg, let the fing Avengers handle it….i wanna go to prom”
@@Kurotama11 That way Peter says it makes it sound like he does have a guilt based sense of responsibility, presumable from Uncle Ben's death. I think it's very obvious that we are supposed to assume that Peter lost Unlce Ben in similar way to other movies, or at least that something bad happened to Peter that feels guilty about.
"it makes sense for him to have times where he just wants to be a selfish kid" - Not if the world is at stake. And Fury told him that no other heroes were available. And he left his prom date in Homecoming to go after the Vulture. I don't believe for a second that Peter would not help Mysterio just becasue he felt unsure about himself.
In ffh If nick fury didn't force him to do anything he would have just continued having fun on his vacation so peter is selfish in this movie cause he dosnet want to save the world even tho it's going to end
ur dumb im sorry, and you didnt watch the movie, he didn't think he was up for the job and he didnt want to risk his identity. He thought that the elementals were better off being stopped by like literally anyone else
He didn’t know the world was going to end all he knew was nick was calling him. He just said get someone else to solve the “problem”. He didn’t know the severity 🤦🏾♂️
well if he sends him off in a non chalant way don't you think peter would think there's a plan in place because of that?
@@romanbeatz3150They explain that in the whole bunker scene or whatever when we get introduced to Mysterio. Quinton elaborates how the elementals are multidimensional beings that destroyed his world and killed his wife which he points out through the ring on his finger. He also elaborates that they are coming back to destroy Peter's but Peter doesn't make an attempt or effort to stop it. Mysterio's illusions are obviously fake and the elementals aren't real threats. But Peter doesn't know that yet still doesn't make the attempt to stop the attack even if he'd lose. One of the core fundamentals of Peter Parker's character is that he will always look out for the little guy and always be there for the people first as the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. But if the world is gonna die, he'll make every attempt he can to stop it and keep fighting. Even at the cost of his life. These details should be abundantly apparent if you watched the film or understand ANYTHING about Peter Parker's character and/or what it means to be Spider-Man 🤦🤦
@@CrusaderWebhead3962 sounds more than he thought he could handle or deal with. There are still ALOT of heroes on earth and Peter knows via endgame. He’s not 22 yr old Peter, him having a selfish MOMENT not whole movie shows a young spider man still growing hence why he’ll be in upcoming movies. Bruh just lost his teacher and five years and just wanna get the girl. Valid he thought fury was barking up the wrong tree.
tbh, they lost me when the discussion got to basic power scaling, like, do we really not have anything deeper to talk about than simple action sequences?
1:20 THE SMOKE ALARM BEEP I CAN'T
one of my alarm is on like a very high ceiling hard to replace
Yeah that's what happens when ya vape
@@CrusaderWebhead3962 It's me im pretty sure not collin lol
@@jropzone6463 Nah he vapes he's done it on stream. Still seems pretty cool but vaping is the most retarded decision you can make for your health. Especially coming from a guy who can make some pretty damn compelling arguments
Luke's character @ssass!nation was far worse than anything that was changed about Tobey's Spider-Man.
That's like a night and day comparison. Apples to oranges.
There were some instances where Tobey's Parker was out of character but I don't think that accounts for the majority of his appearnce and therefore applying the character @ssass!nation card wouldn't make sense.
Whether one is worse than the other is irrelevant, I was outlining the concept of character assassination. Tobey was still character assassinated.
@@C0LIN.lmaooo how dare you use that as a basis. Tom foolery 😂
I don’t really think you need to censor the word assassinate. Assassinate. Assassination.
@@C0LIN. Keep in mind that not everyone read what he said in that ONE scene in less 10 secs the same way that you and bad takes SJK mentioned. How did him saying that he died in his arms and that he tried to kill him in the past instantly signifies that both things are linked with eachother? It was a way to sum up his whole role in the that rd film to general audience as well. Do u usually nitpick this hard?
@@C0LIN. Nice of you to point out the obvious, genius.
Green Goblin doesn’t care about anyone and he wants to conquer the world, that’s why he wants to stay, Norman wants to go home, not goblin, the only thing goblin wants is power.
Goblin can only have the power he craves in the Raimi verse
Why tf would that have to be in the mcu world tho, that makes no sense, he dosnt have his gadges or his wealth in the mcu, he wouldnt be able to have as much power in the mcu world as he would in the raimi world, hes evil not stupid
@@Yakonsupremacy Well from what he knows, he is about to die. So staying in the mcu will save his life. So then he will be able to gain power eventually and conquer. But if he were to go back, he would die. Thats why he doesnt want to go back
@@wumbowyatt2300 this is literally addressed in the video when S.K mentions that having information from the future can influence the choices you make
@@Yakonsupremacy Wouldn’t that be more fun for him, plus, in the mcu universe, they have better technology than his original world.
In all fairness i love you colin but it is not a dead argument of his "moral choice" because across media spiderman has contemplated about his own life or saving the world yes the way they wrote it wasnt done well but it is part of the character as hes contemplated on giving up his powers knowing his own villains would still be around it takes him remembering uncle ben in order to want to stay as spiderman.
I love Disagreement Days and the highlight videos. Besides the response video they're my favorite videos of Colin.
19:27 "theres no need to laugh at me" tbf i think Colin was just laughing at how goofy that "COWARD! WE HAVE A NEW WORLD TO CONQUER!" line rather than a Condescending laugh of his opinion
What i feel like what people arent taking into account...norman wouldve gotten the cure before going home. So goblin would be dead, so it makes sense why he doesnt wanna go back because he is literally not going to exist anymore if Peter does what he does. If the cure wasnt being made he wouldve been more compelled to go back. And since norman was in control for most of the time goblin couldnt try and leave earlier.
I can acc agree on why green goblin would wanna stay since he got killed with his glider yes you guys says he can just avoid it but he doesn’t know if he’s going to die the exact moment he gets back home that’s what worries them. Like electro he got teleported to a different universe exactly when he was about to die and dock ock to. This was poorly explained but I can acc understand. Every villain thought that box to was going to instantly kill the to so yeah
Spider-man in the comics can actually heal broken bones with his healing factor, just not as fast as wolverine or deadpool. In one of the old comics he gets his arm broken and after a night of sleep, he wakes up and his arm is fully healed.
It's sad that I liked no way home but this guy can not argue for it worth a damn
No Fr how many times are we supposed to watch Ben kick the bucket🤣
Disagreement day without Jack Kentner is like the Joker without Batman
Sk’s video on Spider-Man Is bad because he kinda nit picks like Colin does but worse… like he points out things that don’t brake the film or make it bad. It kinda just seems like he didn’t like the movie because it wasn’t perfect 😂
You're not allowed to point out minor flaws? And SK really liked it a first despite it's problems, he said it was one of his favorite Spider-Man movies in the first video that he made about it.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 that’s a straw man my guy
@@MillieArt2124_ "Sk’s video on Spider-Man Is bad because he nitpicks like Colin does but worse… he points out things that don’t brake the film or make it bad." - You literally said that his video was bad becasue he points out minor things.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 no you said “ you’re not allowed to point out minor flaws?” I never said he couldn’t… only that those small flaws don’t make a movie bad to watch. He can argue that it’s an ok film but it wasn’t bad…
@@MillieArt2124_ You say that his video was bad, and the only reason you gave as to why is that he points out things that don't brake the film or make it bad (which is only like 2% of the video, the rest are things that definitely damage the overall quality of the film). Then you make a bad faith assumption that he didn't like the movie because it's not perfect.
peter is 15 yrs old hes going to be selfish at times and if nick fury didnt force him to help mysterio wouldnt have gotten the glasses
peter is 17 in far from home and 18 in no way home what are you yapping about also being selfish is what got uncle ben killed
@@BLUDSON717 16 and toms story of uncle ben is likely different from tobey and andrews we never get a scene or a good amount of context so we will never know for sure
Peter also dies too if the world ends and so does everyone he loves... So him being selfish doesn't work either...
@@BLUDSON717that's literally so young lol
You realize selfishness comes from wanting to gain something, right? How does him dying gain him anything? Is he suicidal?
I actually like all 3 of the MCU Spiderman, but hey agree to disagree
17:58 I dont think this point holds up too well, if all Norman needed to do was kill him faster, he would have done it, hes been trying to kill him that entire fight. Yes, he knows *how* Peter wins against him, but he still knows that he won. If i had the option between staying in one world versus going back to a situation where I *know* I've already lost once, I'd probably choose to stick around too
Don’t fuck with Spiderman fans. We hate the character
Doesn’t the fact that in no way home doc ock knows how green goblin dies due to it being all over the news create plot holes? Harry doesn’t figure this out till the end of Spider-Man 3
Spider-Man has never been adapted into film well. None of them are even in my top 10 Spider-Men.
Tom is a good spider man, I like Homcoming as a spider man movie, cause he’s funny and Vulture isn’t comic accurate, but is badass. No way home is good for him as spider man since because of one mistake, he lost everything for it. Like spider man would. Far from home is a movie trying to let him do everything by himself.
I Personally like Homecoming more than the other 2 :)
Norman just wanted to rebirth in the MCU for a 10% income boost and 2 gems
Light the fires.
Spider-Man 2 is the greatest one in y’all eyes… so when Tobey gives up being Spider-Man it’s all good. But when Tom does its character assassination? Tf. And ion wanna hear “tobey had a reason” bruh Toms mentor was Ironman the greatest hero ever (in his universe) and he had to watch him die. That was traumatic for him, and he doesn’t think he can fill his shoes. Not assassination just simply he’s a kid doubting himself.
Spider-Man 2 isn't the greatest in our eyes. And yes Tom leaving the entire world to die while he's happy about not wanting to help. Is blatant character assassination, he would die as well, and it would make Tony Starks sacrifice meaningless on Earth.
Tobey in Spider-Man 2 isn't dealing with the end of the world, his life is falling apart, and his powers are working inconsistently and he's losing them. So yes him quitting being Spider-Man in that movie makes sense. Tom not wanting to help with the end of the world isn't justified by literally anything...
DH
@@C0LIN. Tobey literally sees a guy getting jumped and mugged but continues to eat shove a hotdog down his throat ctfu. I mean we can sit here and nitpick every little detail and call it “character assassination” but that would just be absurd. Just because the story doesn’t go your way doesn’t mean it’s bad. I mean he literally learns his lesson during the movie and still saves the day. Plus…Beck was a narcissistic supervillain whose whole character is built off of illusion and lies. Not hard for him to trick Tom into giving up Edith and convincing him he’s a better option to save the world, especially since Tom was a grieving teenager who’s already seen his demise in a world ending event before.
@miles_morales215 you can prove bald spot Colin wrong and he will still deny the facts because his ego won't let him admit he's wrong
Yes, you are correct. Spiderman 2 is the best. But you are incorrect because the reason Tobey quit being Spiderman is because his powers stopped functioning.
@@newfire1018 It stopped functioning because deep inside him he doesn't want to be Spider-Man because it keeps on affecting his life as Peter Parker
I'm with Andrew yall were a little rude this time. He was still wrong tho
I feel like with tobey, its out of character but not character assassinated. He felt like an older version of his character with the only scene is him talking about harry is the only scene. But with the tom was character assassinated was mostly nitpicks. I know toms peter feels out of character but again like tobey, not character assassinated
I feel like character assassinated is a pretty huge word that collin and sk use a little too much for some I agree for some I don't idk
Hes not the best or perfect but he's good
This is no better than "Woke" arguments
I tried joining your Discord but I can’t the screen goes white.
Where'd he get the other mask?
Uhhh... found another mask and put it on later
And he took it off. I said that in the video
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Bro they weren't even looking.
It's the best part of the whole thing 😂
Uh sorry not to be an asshole here but you're telling me at the age that Peter Parker is in Spider-Man Far From Home you're telling me that he's just going let Nick Fury tell him what to do when he knows that there are better people for the job? Also he does care about the world because there are other heroes in this universe you just straight up told a complete lie and don't say I'm mad because you criticized a movie I like because it's fine to have different opinions but lying to your viewers is the wrong way to do it.
He didn't care enough about the world to try to save it after having been told that it was gonna end. And Fury told him that there weren't anybody else, that they needed Spider-Man's help.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09and you forgot that Tobey quit being spider-man in spider-man 2 because of mj
@@theultimatebadasstheultima-r2w Leaving a guy to get robbed (when your powers aren't working) is a bit different from leaving the world to die.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 nostalgia blind turd
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09the scene where Peter blows off fury happens before he is told what is happening.
When i saw the title i knew I was going to be in this one 😅
Jfc this Spider-Man shit is serious lmao
This is the only community where people legitimately get pissy at each other over opinions about a stupid comic book movie.
im not like really mad just a little confused
@@jropzone6463 Idk if you’re the first or second guy but uh… I’m not talking about your either way lol
@@cidlufaine9044 O
If you don't take it as seriously as someone else, that's fine. But you're not better than anyone for doing so.
@@channel45853 Never implied I was. This obviously means a lot to some people and that’s fine. I’ll never understand talking to someone with a tone that sounds like you think they’re an idiot and then mocking them for taking a bit to respond but hey, whatever floats your boat.
While I can confidently agree with ffh being a genuine mess of a film the arguments u presented are just ridiculous lmao.
1. Stop using edge of time as an example just because they explain he’s similar to the base level interpretation of Peter doesn’t mean he’s completely the same, u have literally no context of his mental state prior or anything he’s gone through with anyone on his earth to reach this point, he could just interpret the uncle Ben speech a little differently, and his mentality might just be different and that specific choice is hard for him too deal with. Also Peters plan is to risk potentially helping both but caring more about his loved ones which shows him still caring about the city and u have no prior context of how he specifically deals with risks lol.
2. Peter couldve have examined at multiple points if people were looking before he fought unmasked, or even if ppl did find out and look to see him fighting he would’ve just explained it was temporary tech by the hero’s of he found it randomly at the cust of the battle for protection? U realize this universe and especially peters class are really stupid(big issue with the movie) and are written to not understand certain things right?
3. Peters mentality before the sheild things was completely tampered with along with him already being young, probably saturated and sick of crime fighting, and probably was going to wait to ACTUALLY see how bad the elementals are before dropping his trip. Once again brother u have literally no context of how Peter deals with this kind of stress or how his mentality could be compromised please make points about ACTUAL contradictions lmao.
The problem with this type of content is not only what ur saying 7 times out 10 wrong and stupid but inherently subjective presented as objective problems with films. Everything u point out to a certain amount of ppl literally could be solved by simply stating every universe has things that might seem like condridictions to us but make sense in the actual universe. What if I said “the plot hold goblin took ahold of this character and made him do this thing” then what? After that whether u like or feel satisfied with that answer is subjective. U thinking ur personal view on media is objective and everyone else’s is either stupid or subjective is exactly why u lack media literacy and aren’t even worth taking serious lmao.
Crazy how literally everything u just said has been rebutted in SKs Edge of Time videos, this video, and or my FFH video.
I doubt I will show up on Disagreement Day, bc most ppl like u usually don’t. But let’s see if u have some balls other than a YT comment to make urself feel better.
4pm EST today
Take the nostalgic cameos out kf no way home and it's complete dog shit.
I’ll say this right now: Tom holland is a good spider man actor. But this version of spider man is stupid, childish, lacks character development, and it seems Sony doesn’t even care about making his movies good anymore since they’re making spider man 4 a MULTIVERSE movie (obviously) and overall, this version of spider man is just ass
14:48 This goes to show that MCU Spider-Man fans are not truly actual Spider-Man fans because they really do not understand the character and want to come up with shitty excuses or make the writing for the writers . . . Sorry but . . . You got heart, but you're all as sharp as a marble . . .
We’re there any good arguments to highlight? Also maybe you should be a little less harsh, at times you weren’t as calm…....these are your fans even if they disagree with you and aren’t the best at at arguing & understanding the writing and storytelling etc
MCU Peter is flawed the character is good but it's just the story of no way home and far from home are really bad and make the character of Peter Parker a dumbass
I kinda wish I was there on stream, cuz ur video was terrible and basically all nitpicks and 0 criticisms, to have as many issues as you did with the movie and to think its the worst spider-man movie is insane cuz all your issues are pretty much "Why did they do it this way and get this result, when they could do it my way and get the same exact result?"
So come on the next stream tomorrow at 4pm EST
@@C0LIN. we'll see if I have the time
Yo, Did you go on? Update plz. Did they sauce you?
@@ShmuckLord385they ain't sauce nobody, but I'm looking forward to the next disagreement day, hopefully at a good time so I can debunk his criticisms
Petet doesnt need character development? Literally in one of the newst ASM comic of of the wtiters answered a QNA and said the exact same thing
Before 1 hour gang!
I personally never took the MCU movies seriously, it was just fun and entertaining to watch. The only MCU movies which I seriously took were Avengers Endgame & Infinty War. I am a huge Spidey fan, I've watched all shows and movies, read many comics to know enough about him and the brand. I'm the type of fan that would defend the tasm series and Spider-man 3 at all costs. Yes I did enjoy those movies, I actually did like them. Now by the looks of it, Colin and another YTuber criticized the mcu spidey movies and the character. What they say isn't totally wrong but for me personally, I don't take this version of spidey seriously. Yes the portrayal is not the best of all live actions, maybe worst. I don't like the the whole spidey being a sidekick of Tony situation, but it was new. It worked fine till FFH. Like Peter was being ridiculously stupid, even though he is a teenager, he wasn't taking things seriously. My only reasoning for that is that the MCU is just that way, everything is just a joke and chaos, comical at times as well. The MCU portrays more of the quirky sides of superheroes, which is something I've noticed, so that combined with Peter being 16-17 in FFH, makes sense. Now coming to NWH. It was a fun movie, it was fan service at it's finest. The multiverse, old spideys and villains, it was amazing. I loved seeing Tobey and Andrew back, it was just an amazing experience. The comedy and references were amazing, it was a combination of nostalgia and new. The very end of that movie changed my perspective on the MCU spidey. My speculation is that the Uncle Ben event wasn't too impactful, so all the horrible stuff happens in NWH to shape this character. Peter went through a lot of stuff as a high school student and now his identity is erased, basically a restart for Peter, but Spidey continues his thing. I think people took this character a bit too serious and that's where all this criticism came from. Even Doctor Strange didn't take Peter as a serious threat and he was going easy. Maybe Tony did do something dumb by giving Peter the EDITH glasses. Yes the could've kept Quentin Beck under the radar in case he did smth. Yeah the writing isn't great but I'm sure everyone enjoyed the dialogues and screen presence. Now the criticism would make sense if this after the tragic event in NWH, and moving forward the mcu movies portrayed Spider-man as still a not so mature dumb hero. After all, this version of Spider-man has just started his journey. He literally grew up in a world with other superheroes so he might've not been able to shine in his early stages. He was a young teenager in the mcu, he's going to make a lot mistakes for sure. Now that all the Avengers have basically retired and he's the next generation of frontline heroes, we will hopefully see a newer and more mature version of that Peter, you never know. Not all Spider-man Stories have to be the same.
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Homecoming he learns about responsibility, in far from home he forgets about that, and has to learn what responsibility is, AGAIN. And I would say that No way home suffers from that again, cuz he commits some pretty stupid decisions yatayatayata, but well it is what it is
guys gotta grow up, debating about a spider man movie what has life come to
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Bro what is wrong with being a Spider-Man fan as an adult? That's literally a normal thing, also these are movie reviewers it's their job to Critique MOVIES, which Spider-Man does have
Wow just complete brain rot, ironically just now watching this after your analysis on media discourse and the "culture war" of films and shows and how to actually properly dissect writing objectively and subjectively and omg I should've watched this first lmao like wow I'm not a expert at debating or anything but this shit is so bad 😭
I think i couldve clarified what i was saying better if you give me the chance to
He gave you moments without him even speaking he did. You kept repeating the same things and trying to justify peter not wanting to help because of heroes like Thor and cm.
@@PlushiePengu Yes Thor and Captain Marvel are not available but they aren't the only heroes that exist. I do admit I repeated a lot and should not have gone in circles but it was never said in that scene that there were no other heroes available just that the ones he mentioned like CM and Thor aren't. You can ASSUME but it's not 100% a known fact as they didn't specifically say that.
@@jropzone6463but it’s directly implied due to Nick Fury (or Talos in this case) going to Peter Parker and being EXTREMELY persistent on trying to get him to help. Tell me, if there was anyone else available for him to recruit that was better equipped, do you really think he would keep harassing Peter. Not everything has to be outright said for it to be interpreted brother
@@korvasslade8756 he wasn't extremely persistent from Peter perspective if he just let him walk away the first time there is also an explanation that they would see him as the next Iron Man like the media does and overrate his abilities
@@jropzone6463 but he was extremely persistent when he hijacked his trip and forced it to go to the next city where the next attack would be. Obviously he wasn’t just gonna restrain him or try to physically force him, that wouldn’t accomplish anything. Nick fury already explained how dire the situation was, so Peter should already understood how important his help would be. Also, they see him as the next POTENTIAL Iron man, not that they think he’s already as capable and experienced. Shield ain’t that stupid
Completely unbiased: Far from home was eerily bleak and Tom could not have given up being Spider-Man because his character hadn’t actually matured into Spiderman yet. No one has a problem with Peter being a human. It’s the fact that this guy is done being a hero when he’s not even Spider-Man yet and atp we’ve barely seen him do anything worth while.
Y’all are turbo cringe. It’s not that serious 😂
Ooo someone’s gonna be mad when they read this lmao
@@XRONIX-prodIt can seem like a bit much but when you care about movies and the characters you’re attached to it’s totally valid
Tbh, the worst movie by far is amazing Spider-Man 2, the pacing is awful, the script is terrible. There are so many plot points and plot holes in this damn movie to where it can flat out ruin the movie. You can clearly see that the director had a vision and instead had to change it constantly for the final product. It is by far the worse Spider-Man movie
Agreed
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS Why am i in this it was my first time ok it was hard trying to think of a argument and your saying mine was the worst what is your problem
U were wrong and it's funny?
if you wanna be taken out the video I think if you ask him he'll probably oblige I think colin would understand
@@devonedrumzz its not funny to a guy like me who was having a hard time thinking of a good argument i wanted it to be kept civil as possible and these 2 jokers go behind my back and do this
@@JCXD7L you think its that simple? i doubt hell even listen to me
You could have told him to not have you in the video if you didn't wanna be in it
Tom is my favorite Spider-Man. He has THE best Comic Accurate Spider-Man Suit, some of the best Peter Parker I’ve seen, quippy and funny and emotional. (Best traits of Spider-Man.) His Arc from being given all these cool gadgets and having it all to having no one and nothing and becoming a bit wiser from older more experienced Spider-men.
I think the first guy’s argument could work when only looking at the context of FFH. Different interpretations of the character are fine and if they want to tell a story of Peter not feeling like a hero that’s fine. Only problem is the core values he had in HC were far too overly contradicted in FFH. Like why would the guy who almost oofed himself over a weapon-trade ring act so irresponsible over a potential cataclysm? It’s far too out of character by their own standard.
I partially agree with both arguments about Goblin. Honestly he still acts similar to his Raimi variant; the only weird thing is his motivation that is clearly flawed to push the narrative of the story
I'm with Andrew yall were a little rude this time. He was still wrong tho