I'm a ballerina and I'm not at all offended by it. Natalie's acting was phenomenal, and that's what she's there for. To act, not to dance. This is a movie about mental illness, not ballet. The director never said that she became a ballerina. He said that she portrayed the role convincingly, and that's exactly what she did and was supposed to do in the first place.
You’re not offended that she lied about doing the dancing part? The professional dancer that did her dancing stunts is offended that She wasn’t mentioned in the credits as doing the real dancing parts. You don’t have a say in the offense. Natalie and her manager and director lied to win an Oscar. She would not have won if she had told the truth.
@@sarashepard7504 what? She never claimed she did the dancing. From when the movie came out it was talked about how they filmed with the actual ballerina. How does an actor portray a doctor, astronaut etc?
In my opinion, the dance is a important part, but her expressions and acting were... my god... you can not improvise that. She's a great actress performing a dancer and she did what she did amazingly. Love her.
That's your opinion, the hard part of the expression is that the same time you have to be dancing as well. If you stand still and does the impression, it will look very funny.
@@markarmage3776 That's why it's acting. Natalie has been an actress for many years. Just as Natalie cannot be a professional dancer in a short time, the dancer girl could not be a great actress, in a short time. Natalie trained and did what she could in a year. They weren't going to wait for 15 years to film the movie lol
Everyone knows it's not possible to become a professional Ballet dancer in a year . She trained to try and look the part , develop muscles , tone the body and learn as much of ballet as possible in that time frame . She trained for upto 8 hrs - swimming a mile , doing ballet , cross training - all on a very strict starvation diet while working on other movies too , everyday for 6 months ! . We're talking bout her dedication and hard work here . Respect .
nerdycats you were conviced by a double with her face morphed into it. Watch first the interview with that double. And secondly you are insulting are real pro bal. Because they train also 22 years 6 hours a day. You cant do it in 6 months. They just lied to the world
I'm sorry but when action movies roll out, no one expects to have the actors do all the jumping and stunting even when they perform simple stunts themselves? The movie focused on the mental illness, not the ballet and she did a good job acting like a ballerina. She even committed to losing weight for a more believable body. As far as I can, she convinced us that she was the ballerina, hence the Oscar.
+Jane Kimmy Ballet is NOT stunts and jumps. It's an art form in which there is acting, style, schooling, and training for 10 years in a real good professional school. There is NO stunt show at the Metropolitan Opera House.
And stunt actors get CREDIT for the stunts. Stunts done by..... name. And when an actor does his/her own stunts is generally talked about a lot, because we all know they do not do it themselves.
And artists like Sarah Lane, get credit like artists, not as stunts. In the Pianist I see : "Pianist so and so. in the fifth Element: Singing by so and so. So that you know and don't go around calling ballet a stunt. It just sound really ignorant.
Jane Kimmy they also in action movies don't state that the main actor did all the stunts when it was actually a double. That's the point. They lied and said the dancing was all her.
Natalie's role in this was to ACT like a dancer, not to spend her whole life training and be a dancer, she is an actress. She absolutely committed to this role and deserved all the praise she received. She was incredibly convincing in this movie and she had the upper body of a dancer, which was all that was shown in most of the shots used. She openly has a body double, but it is admirable that she committed in such a way that made her that convincing just in upper body shots. Thats something most dancers have to work their whole life on.
Hazel Levesque ACTING like a dancer should not include DANCING like a 5 year old amateur. Just like ACTIN G like a brain surgeon should NOT include doing a real brain surgery on tent screen. If you want to show on the screen a REAL BRAIN surgery, it is highly recommended to get a real brain surgeon.
+adballet lmao because dancing is the same as doing surgery? There's a reason she won an Oscar for this. She's incredible and she deserved every bit of praise she got. Show me a 5 year old that has the upper body poster and technique that she has.
+Helen Heywood she has not technique, she just learn some choreographys for the movie, and also she doesn't have a skinny body like a real prima balleria, their weight (of the prima ballerina)is approximately around 30 to 40 kilograms and 40 k it's too much, and Natalie's weight is around 45/48. but it's okay, it's your opinion and i respect yours.
Dancing isn't the same as doing surgery, but learning to be a surgeon doesn't require one to sacrifice one's childhood, work for hours a day since 10 or so, get blisters, pain, bleeding toes, etc. Google "ballerina feet". In the 5th element movie, nobody claimed that the actress did the singing, they credited Inva Mula for singing. Artists deserve to be mentioned as such. Pianists are mentioned as well. Why is it different here?
I still don't understand the "controversy" I don't think anyone claimed that Natalie Portman is some prodigy ready to be a principal in a major company. She put in many many hours of training to convincingly portray a dancer, which I think is commendable and you would think dancers would respect an actor for that. Portman won an Oscar for her portrayal of a troubled woman, she didn't win the Prix De Luasanne.
You said it right hun, don't blame the actor for doing her job well which is acting. She played the roll of a ballerina and I myself saw her as just that during this movie 🎦(an actress) nothing less or more.
Professional dancers train 8 hours a day. They leave home at 12 or even younger to train to be professional dancers. Yes she committed to the role but it is annoying that they made t seem like she accomplished becoming an amazing dancer in 6 months when it takes people years and years and years
+Lissie Boney hi you are right it takes years of training to become a ballerina and it is very hard work even for me and I am a ballet dancer myself and yes I am a man and I am going back to ballet school next week even at my age which is 54 I love ballet and I am a ballet lover to from john clements.
John Clements I am fascinated by ballet and it is amazing making something so difficult look flawless. There is a three episode show on youtube called bug ballet and it is when bigger people get to do ballet and be in a performance of swan lake. It is incredible to watch
Am I the only dancer who absolutely adores this movie? Not even because it has ballet woven into it, but because of the story, the fact that Mila Kunis is in it, and of course Natalie's acting. The fact that swan lake is a huge part of it is just an added bonus.
Okay, I don’t think people actually understand why the ballet world is upset, so I’ll explain. Natalie deserves that Oscar (for me at least) as she acted the role amazingly and should have gotten the Oscar purely based on the acting skills. There is no shame in having a dance double and most dancing films have them. However, her and the director acted as if they’d made Natalie into a professional dancer in a year and as if she’d done most of the dancing shots in order to help boost the chances of getting an Oscar. She shouldn’t have had to do that because, as I said, there’s no shame in having a dance double and no one was expecting her to dance most of the film. She then didn’t mention her double in the acceptance speech to further make it seem like she did all the dancing and was taking credit for it. The double was credited as a ‘hand double’ not a dance double at the end of the movie. That is just insulting. No one is asking for this double to get more recognition as other doubles, but to get the same recognition as other doubles because they effectively acted like she didn’t exist. That’s all we are saying. To reiterate, Natalie deserved the Oscar for acting, not dancing. Hope this clears things up.
Guys, Natalie never tried to become a dancer in 6 months. She tried to convincingly look like one, and not harm herself along the way. After 6 months training, she wouldn't even be able to stand en pointe - her feet wouldn't be ready for this. But she would be able to do some little things. Note the amount of upper body shots in the movie. That's because the arms movement is easier to master than the legs (particularly with a choreographer who knows exactly what she can and can't do), so she didn't need a dance double for that. This is what she was training 6 months for. Natalie is an actor, and a really good one. She never tried to become a ballerina, merely to act a ballerina.
I think that what tickles the ballet world off the most is that someone somewhere said they made a ballerina out of her in six months. WE KNOW IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. As you can hear here Aronofsky said "She is very convincing" (at playing a ballerina) he never said she became a ballerina. Also, I don't think Portman even hinted that she had done that she doesn't strike me as disrespectful. Further proof, Mary Hellen Bowers is a ballerina, I like to think she wouldn't stand for such nonsense. If the credit Ms Lane received for a stunt double was less that what she deserved (at doing her job of being a stunt double) then I'm deeply sorry and ashamed for it. As someone who has done ballet (as a hobby though) I can understand your frustration and anger. But, this was a FILM not a BALLET PERFORMANCE, I'm all for giving credit when credit is due, but (im my opinion) by discrediting Nnatalie as a ballerina, which she isn't and never said she was, we are also discrediting her brillant acting skills which make possible for her to act as a ballerina (and one who also has serious mental problems on top of that)
100%! Not to mention everyone attesting to her skills is using a filmmaking context, in comparison to how other films are made and prepared for her preparation was VERY intense. She won the awards she did because of her acting, real ballerinas were not the target audience for the studio or director. I was totally seduced by her performance and to be honest, I remember the tension, the dialogue, the psychosis, far more than the dance scenes.
I can survive Med School thats not what is was about. The oscars (producers called her before to try to silence her) went to her bc alot believed it was natalie dancing. Not only is that decietfull. It causes more harm to real ballerinas who train for 22 years also 6 hours a day or more. To give impression the dancing you saw was natalie is a lie all dancing was the double except the closeups of her hands and face. If you call that dancing. Yeah then she did most of it. But the real feet work close ups and all further away dancing was ALL the double. Its not only about crediting her. Its about saying yeah worls here is prove an actress can learn these dances in 6 months. Thats just not true! It takes from childhood blood tears toes that are bloody worse that will maybe (maybe!!l ) take you to become a pro ballerina. And the oscar was for her whole performence. Thus also the "fake' dancing. People voted for wrong reason. If they were honest yes all shots of real dancing is a double before the oscars and she wins for acting the rol fine! But it was not the case! Get it? Hope so. 🕯⚘😘
I can survive Med School i totally agree I do dance it took me years of ballet to get on pointe and in this video she is dancing on flat ballet shoes and I’m the movie she can apparently dance on pointe (I’m just trying to say give Sara lane some credit for being a stunt double)
The stunt doubles name is in the credits at the end of the movie, just like any other stunt doubles name should be. What do people want, for the real ballerina to get an Oscar too? Get real!
She was ALSO credited with a character acting role, in which she had NO lines, and spent less time on the screen in that character than every other UNCREDITED extra in other scenes. (Gala scene, for example.)
I really congratulate Natalie. She did amazing and her best to dance like a well trained ballerina. I think some people are expecting too much from her, of course she won't be perfect, but at least she tried to do the art justice.
Nicole Jarel My dance teacher, former rockette, Judy Greenhut actually trained her in theatre dance for 8 years and she talked about Natalie and her dancing all the time. I agree with you.
It was more that they implied that she had the strength to go from NO ballet training to being en pointe (correctly) within a few months; when realistically girls do not start pointe until they are 11-12 years old and as a ballet dancer it's very big step and exciting time in you dancing life!
Hmmmm. I don't often say stuff like this, but, why should her stunt double get more recognition than other stunt doubles do? Because this is serious work and there is an illusion that Portman did it herself? That was the point, and to pull people into it. Because it is degrading to compare regular stunt people to stunt dancers? Is that really what you all mean cause both classes put their bodies at risk. So, yeah, she is a stunt double. And a good one. Would be nice to be recognized as more, but that was her job. I think we all need to calm down and realize that.
Sarah lane let people know it was her because portman and her whole crew were lying about it and that discredits all dancers because ballet is one of the most difficult sports there is and to say that you can learn to dance like that in a year is complete bullshit and insulting to all dancers
Callie Jet I am not a dancer so I can't know how you feel, but being insult by that seems a bit too sensitive. They might have full out said that Portman did it all, but letting people refer to you as the real black swan makes it seem like the acting doesn't matter. That is if we are going with the dancer's logic. But I will agree in saying that doing something all on your own when you didn't is wrong.
No one would have insulted a stunt double the way Lane was insulted. If a studio claimed that an actor/actress had done 90% of the stunts in a movie, there would be an outcry if it were found to be untrue. Stunt doubles would be defended against such claims, and dancers should be too.
You guys should recognize that Portman did do a lot of training and weight loss for the role; therefore, she shouldn't give all the credit away. Moreover, the award is for acting, not dancing. And lastly, it's not like every actor goes up there and credits their stunt doubles. Portman deserves the credit, and personally, I think Lane is making it into a bigger issue than it should be.
For those that don’t understand why real dancers felt disrespected: it wasn’t about how much she danced, it’s that they tried to say Natalie did MOST of the dancing completely discrediting that a professional ballerina did the work that made her look like a real dancer.
but she did do most of the dancing in the film. the stunt double on did the wide shots and most of the film isn’t even wide shots, they’re pov and it’s clearly natalie’s arm movements. and idky the stunt wants to claim that dancing, because it wasn’t the best ballet i’ve seen.
And why are you acting offended towards Natalie? Be angry towards the rest of the world for praising Natalie at her great acting skills. ...In case you didn't get the memo, Natalie is an actress. You're offended because she did such a good job that people overly praised her? Lol
Natalie should’ve done what Margot Robbie did in I, Tonya and be upfront. It’s all about respect at the end of the day and I’m so sick of it myself seeing celebrities use their platforms and popularity to overshadow the genuine performers out there. It happens in the performing arts industry quite often.
@@sora123aqua3 Natalie and her team went on an Oscar campaign implying she didn't have the help of a double. The director himself called Sarah Lane (the double) to ask her not to give interviews before awards season. Nobody is talking about the acting, we are talking about the dancing. It doesn't matter if she trained to do upper body ballet moves and some spins, it takes months to even get on pointe and years to be able to achieve the 32 fouette coda in Black Swan, something ballerinas who have trained decades still can't achieve. Nobody would even care if Natalie and the movie producers hadn't tried to sold it off like she achieved the impossible when her face was actually superimposed with effects over Sarah's body lmao. They showed the making of that and later removed it before the Oscars. You're gullible.
I do think, when people talked about the amount of dancing Natalie Portman did in the movie, they should've been more honest. The amount she did was still pretty impressive but Sarah Lane deserved way more credit when it came to people talking about the dancing. Although when it came to Natalie Portman winning the awards she got for her performance she didn't have to credit Sarah Lane, she could of but she more than likely didn't think about it. In a moment like that I am sure it's very easy to forget people and that was her moment not Sarah's. She probably just mentioned the people who she was close to during the training and shooting and that wouldn't of necessarily been Sarah Lane. The thing is Natalie Portman won her Oscar and other awards due to her acting and not the amount of dancing she did. People did say that they wouldn't of voted for her if they knew how much she actually did but to me though that is wrong. While Sarah Lane made the dancing performance wonderful to watch she wasn't Natalie Portman who gave a chilling and enrapturing acting performance.
I've been dancing for 8 years and am currently in college for it. Not very pedestrian. Ballet dancers are trained to act with their bodies, just like actors are trained to act with their voices. They are two distinctly separate art forms and fluency in both is few and far between. And ballet IS an illusion because we make it look easy, when it's not.
Sarah Lane signed a contract with the producers of Black Swan. Natalie was simply an actor on the film, she had nothing to do with Sarah's business. It was Sarah's responsibility to secure what she wanted in terms of recognition/credit when she signed her contract.
Y’all don’t get that’s not the problem right? Im pretty sure nowhere in the contract did it say “you are not allowed to give interviews or say anything about you being a dance double, OH yes and we are going to lie and say Natalie did 90% of the dancing” one thing is not giving doubles enough recognition which is normal and another thing is lying and shutting the double out in order to benefit themselves
M P Sarah Lane signed a contract paying her to be NP’s dance double. I’m sure her contract made no mention of how the producers would encourage the media to promote the idea that NP did 90 % of the dancing-maybe she had to sign a confidentiality clause. If she wanted the public to know “the truth” she should have thought about that before signing on to a Hollywood film
I don't understand why ballerinas/dancers feel like this movie is a chance to poke and prod at every possible fault of Portman. This movie was not a movie about dance, it was a suspense/drama film. Sarah Lane KNEW that she would get little to no credit when she signed the papers to work on this film, that's how it works for stunt doubles. Sarah should have been honored to be a stunt double, but instead she wined and complained with the common "nobody understands how hard my sport is" just like every other person does when they think someone makes their sport look easy. As both a skater and a dancer, I totally disagree with the way that Sarah Lane handled this situation and I think it made her look insanely immature. What do people expect from Natalie? To run around screaming to the whole world that she had a stunt double? No other stunt double in any movie gets extreme recognition for their work, that's just the way it is. The whole point of a stunt double is to make it look like the actress is actually performing the work that the stunt double is. The only reason Lane did what she did is because she wanted to draw attention to herself and get fame.
They never said she became a pro, while some people on my side act like it. They said she can portray one convincingly (to the average eye is implied). The issue is in the Oscars and interviews she never mentioned her double.
Aronofsky is claiming that Natalie Portman did 80 - 90% of the dancing. That's why Sarah Lane was speaking out to say that that's not true. To say she did a bulk of the dancing implies that she learned to be a ballerina in 6 months no matter how much they try to cover their tracks to say that that's not what they're saying. "“Here is the reality. I had my editor count shots. There are 139 dance shots in the film. 111 are Natalie Portman untouched. 28 are her dance double Sarah Lane,” Aronofsky said. “If you do the math that’s 80% Natalie Portman. What about duration? The shots that feature the double are wide shots and rarely play for longer than one second. There are two complicated longer dance sequences that we used face replacement. Even so, if we were judging by time over 90% would be Natalie Portman.”
I'm a dancer, and have been dancing for 11 years and I think she did an amazing job. She's beautiful, and being able to catch on that what us dancers can do in just 6 months just amazes me.
Stop hating on her, she took up ballet classes when she was young. She was a dancer before going to acting. Get your facts straight first before hating.
I think this insane training she was ready to go through in just six months really made the movie and her superb performance in her role, as she really got a feel not just for the act of dancing, but for the psychology behind it: how utterly obsessed these people are and how this dedication goes far beyond anything that you alone as a person are. It is a dedication to the art beyond a dedication to yourself and this is what is truly fascinating and truly, truly scary about a dancer's life.
As a ballet dancer, I absolutely love this movie because I recognize that Portman was just playing a part and was not actually suppose to convince the world that she magically became a ballerina in 6 months. Her dance double is mentioned (though I think was not given enough credit) so there really is no problem because she isn’t insulting the dance world. Natalie was there for the upper body shots and the dance double was for the rest, there’s nothing wrong with that
Come on, people. Sarah Lane got the EXACT same credit any other stunt double gets in any other movie. Watch any action movie behind the scenes, like Avengers, for example. Do they show the stunt doubles doing all of the action sequnces? No, they usually show the actors and what scenes they could do they didn't require a double. The actors hardly ever mention them in their interviews, yet no one is throwing up a fit like this. Sarah Lane was a STUNT DOUBLE, not an actor. Natalie Portman obviously had to do some of the scenes and do ballet to become more immersed in her character. Chill out. If Sarah Lane wanted more recognition for her, she could have fought for it. But this is how all stunt doubles are treated (rather unfortunately), so don't get upset and blame it all on poor Natalie Portman.
If you were a stunt double for an actor and that actor took credit for the majority of the stunt work (when YOU know you actually did the majority of it), you'd be upset too. That's the issue here. Natalie gave a great performance but for her and her team to make it appear as if she did the majority of the dancing to help her Oscar campaign is shady.
If you say you've done something you haven't done, you are a liar and people have the right to call you out. Natalie and the studio lied to create an inmate that was not true for the Oscars. They were called out. Not sorry for them.
I disagree. That's their job. Not to get credit, but to do the action instead of the actor. We all know they exist, were not idiots, we know that the actors don't perform it all.
The stunt double says she did the majority of the takes but the director says that was Portman's work.It's up to you who do you believe.I mean,do you believe a girl who could be just trying to get attention and take credit for the actor's job?Or do you believe in a director that could be saying that just to protect his team even though it may be true what the girl says?We can't know the truth,it's impossible for us so everyone should believe the person they wanna believe and that's it,
You know, Portman isn't a stupid woman. Chances are she knew full well the backslash that would happen. My guess is that if she'd had her choice she'd have trotted around this ballerina everywhere she went to prevent it. In the end its the director and especially the producers that get final say in the promotion of the movie, not the actors. So if you're going to throw shade at least throw it in the right direction.
If you noticed in the training with the Ballet teacher, and them obviously using the shots without her dance double, she is not en pointe. The closest she gets is where she is obviously holding onto a wall, and from what I understand, the ballet bar is used for when people first learn how to be en pointe. check this video out again and really look. Sarah should've been acknowledged atleast, but whether or not that was a deliberate slight only Portman knows. I can imagine being on stage getting a major award you may just start rambling and skip (or include) people that later on you go "dammit, I wish I had said this...or not said this".
All the ballet girls complaining are so annoying, they did credit the dancer. They never made it seem like it was natalie doing all the dancing, you could watch the bts and see for your own self that they show the double dancing and then how they replaced her face with natalie's, they always talked about the double. But anyway natalie did a great job, she did trained really hard for that role.
The agent called the real dancer, Sarah Lane, and asked her not to do any interviews about her role as Natalie's double, until at least after the Oscars. Why would he do that, if not to make it seem like Natalie did all the work?
They actually tried to make it appear as if Natalie did the majority of the dancing to help her Oscar campaign. They even tried to silence the double from saying they did the harder wide shots. That is pretty shady. That's why a lot of ballerinas are upset about it.
+peachy girl, did you watch the bts? They show the dancer doing the last scene where she transform into a swan in the theater and she also did the dream in the introduction. They show all that
Anyone who believed that Natalie could do all the pointe parts after only 1 year and a half of training clearly knows nothing about ballet. Natalie did a fantastic job and if they silenced the double before the oscars it was because of the drama it would have generated. Natalie was amazing
therealJodan Please! To give the dancong that much credit, to where the Oscar was at that much of a risk completely discredits the rest of the movie, including the story, producers, actors (Many of them A-list actors), and overall film quality. If dancing is that vital, Oscar risking vital, then do you know how many movies with dancing would get one?
Having been a ballerina for years (many years ago) Sarah Lane absolutely deserves far more credit than she was given. There’s no way on earth that anyone could transform their body, develop the skill, endurance, flexibility, and just the overall know-how that Nina was portrayed to possess in the 18 or so months of training that Natalie had. Don’t get me wrong, I adore her and she’s one of my favorite actresses, but I started at 7 years old and worked my butt off for years; you literally have no life outside of ballet. I believe that Sarah Lane had been dancing for 22 years when she was the body double who did 95% of the dancing. Although the use of the many mirrors in the film serve a metaphorical purpose, they also lend to tricking the viewers eye. Also, not once have I seen a production of Swan Lake with the heavy makeup; yet another trick. Consider the difference between the black swans and the white swans eye makeup; practically impossible when you consider that both parts are danced by the same ballerina. Costume changes are rapid, you have at least 2 other people getting you in and out of costume, there is no time for such unrealistic, repeated makeup changes. The heavy makeup was actually a good idea on the part of the makeup artists for the film, at a distance, unless you’re looking for it, you likely won’t notice that so many of the very difficult parts are done by Sarah. Yes, Natalie was able to transform her body to resemble that of many ballerinas, although a lot of ballerinas tend to have a bit more muscle in their legs. Had she actually performed the all the fouettés, she probably would have developed more muscular legs. Okay, I’m getting a bit nitpicky, sorry. I would be extremely pissed off had I been in Sarah Lane’s position. I think the biggest insult was that we, the audience, are expected to believe that an actress learned in 18 months what takes a real ballerina 22 years to learn. Read the credits, Sarah Lane is listed twice, once as “Lady in the Lane,” (wtf is that supposed to mean) and once again under “Stunts.”
I don't think she pretended to be a ballet dancer anywhere in this video. She didn't take credit for it all and she spoke the truth about how grueling a ballerina's practice is. Although her stunt double has performed most of the dances, Natalie has nailed the motions, the expressions and most of all, has convinced the audience that she really is a ballerina. That is talent.
Natalie Portman isn't taking credit for being a professional ballet dancer. Her job is as an actor as as such she did what she needed to do to prepare herself for giving a believable performance. In this, she was truly amazing and dedicated to performing as a woman going through a mental process. This movie is a physiological thriller that features ballet, not a movie on ballet. Yes, Natalie had a ballet double and you can see in this video she dances in ballet flats, but her job is in facial expression, use of voice and physicality, not whether she can dance the swan parts fully and en pointe. The method acting she devoted 2 years too is truly admirable, and is not uncommon, many actors do similar things to try to understand their character. Natalie worked hard to tone and learn technique just as how Christian Bale lost 1/3 of his body weight to under his character in The Machinist and how many actors have to work out intensively to tone for action movies. So we're all a little jealous that Natalie gets to do ballet instead, but what's the real difference? She is an actor, and if you're going to judge then judge her for that. She doesn't claim to be a professional dancer at any point and I truly admire her for taking on such a challenging role. Sarah Lane is a beautiful dancer, and deserves credit for it, but the main point here is that this movie isn't about ballet, it's about the protagonist's journey through a physiological state in trying to achieve perfection in which Natalie was, in my opinion, perfect.
@@Lucky7girl100 nah what pissed her off was that Natalie was tryna say she did all stunts, that she was basically a real ballerina. It was cap, get over it
Thank God my mother wasn't alive to see this film!! She was one of (if not) the best Cecchetti teachers in Australia. She would have laughed her arse off, then said something brilliantly sarcastic! (maybe I wish now she HAD seen it) R.I.P Mum, Cecchetti will never be the same in this country.
Guys she didn't get an oscar for dancing, it was about her stunning acting transforming into the evil twin. The dancing was something extra that we all knew was not fully performed by her, just as action actors have stunt doubles so did her. She deserved the recognition
the ballerina who was her double wasnt really upset about not getting the attention, she was miffed about how natalie was portrayed as an actor who picked up ballet in a matter of months. she thought that it gave people the idea that learning ballet was easy and anyone could do it. it wasnt personal, she just loves ballet and didnt want people second guessing the dedication it takes to dance with such skill
The problem was that Black Swan's team called Sarah Lane (the dance double) to not do any interviews until after the Oscar's because it would harm Natalie's image. They wanted to make people believe that "80 percent of the dancing was done by Natalie" if close ups are counted as dancing, yes Natalie did do 80 percent of dancing. Sarah made it clear that Natalie deserved the Oscar and she is not asking for awards, she was just pissed because people denigrated her, and she had every right to be pissed off. Dancing was a huge and essential part of this movie and she deserved more recognition. Instead, Darren Aronofsky wanted Natalie to get all the admiration and this video makes it clear. You can't be a ballerina in 1 year.
In case you guys didn´t know, she acted from the waist up, legs are shots from ABT dancer Sarah Lana, and this movie doesn´t have heavy dancing anyway.
Its a girl named Sarah Lane who did the majority of the dancing in this film, not Natalie. I find it hard to believe that she (Natalie) could dance like that after only training for a year, let alone dance like that in pointe shoes. I've danced since I was four and I only got pointe shoes 2-3 years ago, and its very challenging to dance in them. Give Sarah the credit.
I do. I train 3 times a week at the national ballet of Canada. All I am saying is its nice if people can be happy for others. I was saying that why not "appreciate" Natalie p'S hard work for this movie. She is by means not a professional, but we saw that she trained and put her time in meaning that was hard work. We all know how difficult class can be especially the dedication...the blood , sweat and tears..IF she trained for half a year in ballet for this role...she was dedicated and felt it.
natalie is an actress, it was part of the character/role to seem like a dancer. so she studied her character and dance lessons was part of this process,that's the fact. she took the award for her acting. it is normal for the film to have an actual dancer for back up, in the same way that in action movies of the previous decades the actors did not participate at the dangerous scenes.
I loved the movie..I didn't know she had to go through all of this..I always found her and Kerri Washington to look alike but different shades lol..even their facial expressions and the way they speak
this movie is absolutely incredible, just beyond fascinating i love natalie portman seeing her act and dance at the same time in such an amazing movie makes me love her even more
I agree that the ballet stunt double deserves credit, just like any other stunt double... However, you don’t see controversy like this with stunt doubles in an action movie. We don’t expect the avengers’ actors to be doing all their own stunts, nor do we hear them thanking their stunt doubles by name every chance they get. Yes, ballet is a major part of this movie, but as are all of the action sequences in an action film. And Natalie clearly did so much to prepare mentally and physically for this role, she deserves recognition for the work she put into this movie as an actor.
No one is saying Natalie didn't deserve the Oscar ...she did. The message most people are trying to convey is that the actual dancing (especially in the final sequence) was not done by Natalie, and the ballerina who did it shouldn't have been silenced.
The tiny bit of dancing she did ,you could tell it someone who hadn’t danced but the acting bits where great.Her double was as brilliant in her dancing as Portman was in her acting both made that part.Natalie got someone’s hubby out of it for herself too 😂
I think the reason people are getting offended is because he was given zero credit, while usually in movies with doubles, they are given credit for it. Natalie portman completely forgot to mention her double when giving her speech at the oscars, Im a dancer, and i just think she should have given more credit to her double, because ballet was the part that made the movie extra special. It had good acting, good special effects, an ballet mad wit even better. So, the dance double did a LOT for the movie. Without her it wouldn't be the same.
+One and only, yes but not enough, and natalie portaman didnt even mention her in her speech at the oscars where she was thanking everyone who helped with the movie.
The double's contract didn't include anything about being credited. And she signed the contract knowing well of the conditions, nobody forced her to sign it and really it wasn't anybody's responsibility to credit her.
Did Natalie even need to thank Sarah Lane in her Oscar acceptance speech? No she didn't; she won her Oscar because of what she did, not because of what her dance doubles did and she didn't win her Oscar because of the dancing; she won it for all the hard work, commitment and training that she put into this role and her stellar performance. She could've left everything to a dance double, but she didn't, so for someone who's not a professionally-trained dancer, she deserves a lot of credit for having undergone training because she could've just left all the dancing to dance doubles. This just goes to show how seriously she took this project. And another thing, Lane didn't do all the dancing either because Natalie had TWO dance doubles; the other one was Kimberely Prosa and I never heard her complaining, nor did I ever hear Lane speaking out for her or Maria Riccetto, who was Mila Kunis's dance double.
The real dancer that did some of Natalie's moves was like, "This bitch ain't do all of those moves. No one can perfect what I've been doing for 22 years in a year and a half!" lol.
***** You meant her name "is" Sarah Lane not "was." Was would be implying that she has become deceased (died). In addition, I don't believe I asked what her name was. It's a UA-cam video for Christ sake; not a humanitarian award acceptance speech. I was having fun btw. Only people that have sticks up their butt would take youtube comments seriously. You only live once; stop making yourself seem or feel more important than you truly are. We are all visitors on this planet and life will go on with or without us. If you want classy then the internet is not for you! Cheers XD
Yes Sarah did the more intricate dance moves and deserves credit but in no way did she disrespect Natalie by making the statement that you quoted. You're lucky she isn't suing you for libel.
I like to compare the whole stunt double controversy in Black Swan to Chloe Grace Moretz playing cello in If I Stay. To reach to level of dancing and playing that Nina and Mia achieve, it requires a bare minimum of 6-7 years of training, and that is only if the person is incredibly talented. As a violinist, not a dancer, I can say it would simply be impossible for Chloe to play Saint Saens A Minor in the film, so of course none of the cast or crew tried to claim that Chloe's face wasn't superimposed onto the body of another girl during all the cello scenes. Likewise, it is insulting and degrading for the cast and crew of Black Swan to claim that Natalie Portman could dance as well as a professional dancer after six months of training.
I am surprised that the actuall dance scenes were not danced by nataly.Thanks God I find out this now because she inspired me to start studing despite I´m not a kid I´m 27. I´m dancing fot two years now and I´cant go pointe shoes yet, but a year from now I think will get them. The movie is great.
She got an award for being an incredible actress playing a disturbed teen girl incredibly well. Not for dancing. This was a psychological thriller, not a dance movie.
i think it's pretty obvious that Natalie didn't do any of the intricate moves. You can tell the difference in their forms ( Natalie's legs are a little shorter and stockier. Sara's are thinner....more like a ballet dancer's legs. No one in their right mind can watch this scene with Natalie twirling around on her tipy toes like a 7 year old and compare that to the movements of the actual ballerina.
As a ballerina I don’t understand why people are so offended? She isn’t a full on dancer, but she sure put a lot of work into this. And her acting was just ✨mwa ✨.
I've been learning ballet since 5(now I'm 13) but I agree with some of you, Natalie won the Oscar because her acting was amazing, not because of the dance part, plus she paid hard work.
Portman portrayed her role as a ballet artist so damn well in this film because some of you sound completely nuts. We get that ballet requires years and years of training and that no one could possibly become major talented in 6 months - but don't discredit the hard work that she and the whole team put into this production. Quit the whining because if anything, y'all should recognize that this movie actually portrayed how hard and demanding the sport of ballet is. Credit where credit is due: Portman (an ACTRESS) acted the role of a troubled ballerina so well she received an Oscar.
Wendy Verdades Saying this part should have gone to a "dancer who can act", is like saying, since there's lots of acting in Giselle, they should head down to the Actor's Studio and find an actor who's done a few years of ballet and "movement for the actor", classes to do it. Makes no sense right? Look this isn't a dance musical like An American in Paris, or a movie where the whole point is the dance with a bit of movie in between like, The Red Shoes, The Turning Point, or Center Stage. It is, in its entirety, about the main character, who is a ballerina, going insane. The movie is meticulous in how it shows in detail how her mind unravels. This take very very serious acting skills, which is WHY Portman won the award in the first place. Not the dancing.
Actors having to learn something to a high standard in such a short amount of time to be able to look convincing doing it on screen is incredibly impressive.
This is my 9th year dancing (I took a 2 year break). And the double didn't get enough credit, trust me, if I could get that good in 6 months, that would be great
Thank you! I've been dancing for 13 years and I'm not up to that level (I do only do it once a week though). As a dancer I find it quite insulting how they make a hard and beautiful art seem so easy because Natalie Portman became an 'amazing' dancer in 6 months
You realise they were talking about the fact that she looked believably like a dancer, right? They NEVER say in this video that she learned to actually dance ballet. They were using the training to build up her ACTING ability for the role. To act as a dancer, she had to have a certain amount of technique so she'd LOOK like she'd been doing it for years. Stunt doubles don't USUALLY get much credit. She knew exactly what she was signing up for. She was actually shown dancing in the BTS; most doubles don't even get THAT. A lot of doubles are not credited at all. It is an invisible trade. You're meant to believe the ACTOR is doing it. This is no different. The stunt double just decided she didn't get enough attention and tried to grab some. Keep in mind I'm not putting down her talent as a dancer. But dancers - especially ballerinas - rarely if ever become AS famous as a movie star. I think she expected to get more from this film than she actually did or was ever going to. Because remember, she only got a stunt double role and stunt doubles are almost NEVER credited or mentioned. I think she thought she would be for some reason, and would gain an amount of fame. That obviously didn't happen, so she decided to make up some story about how "they made everyone think Natalie did all the dancing" when HONESTLY, if anyone out there is stupid enough to believe Natalie became a pro ballerina in six months, especially when she never actually CLAIMED that, that's THEIR fault. Not the film makers'.
Part of the Oscars campaign was to make it seem that Natalie did the dancing. Sarah was told to keep her work, which was a large part of the character, a secret.
See no. They got paid plenty and credit was given where the credit is given for everyone. At the end of the film in the credits. Thats all that was necessary
As a stunt double you know you don't get as much recognition as the actress does, it's probably in your contract, you know from experience. Don't come crying afterwards
BUT actors who use stunt doubles don't go around claiming they did all the stunts themselves. And producers don't lie to the Academy in order to get more votes like they did for the Oscars. Academy voters said they voted for Natalie because they were told by the film producers that she did all the dancing herself. Sarah Lane's only credit was "lady in the lane" which was not credit for the dancing at all. They intentionally mislabeled the dancing credit to imply there wasn't a double. As a stunt double, I'm sure that didn't happen in your films. And videos like this, claiming that Natalie "became a ballerina" in a year only added to the lie.
Natalie is my favorite female actress as far as her skill goes. The thing about actors is that they have the ability to learn quickly to become something. Thats why they are good. Natalie is obviously capable of Learning that does not involve the barriers of Time. I know personally what this is about. And its possible.
Lane danced en pointe. Any scenes where you see the foot work, that is Lane dancing. It takes anywhere from 3 to 7 years to learn and strengthen enough to dance en pointe. One year of training intensely will not get you there. While Natalie did do most of the head shots, she did not dance en pointe. No I'm not upset, just pointing out the facts. I know several people who really did think that was her doing all the pointe work. Beautiful work from both women though. Natalie did indeed do a very convincing job being a ballerina, which was what she was training to do because even the upper body of a ballerina takes training. She never said she trained en pointe. The first few years of ballet aren't done en pointe, but you still train. She is one of my favorite actresses!
you cannot please every1 even how much you pour out your best. what i appreciate and love about natalie portman is her PERSEVERANCE and DEDICATION in her work, even how they try to put her down or the cruel and rude ways they pour into her she just keeps going and never give inn to those nasty and negative talks about her. all i am saying is that she's a FIGHTER and GREAT ACTRESS.
What upset people (including her dance double) was that she never thanked or even acknowledged that she had a dance double (in her acceptance speech). I love Natalie Portman, and she worked really hard at this role, but come on, give credit where credit is due. To a lay person who does not know the ins and outs of ballet, she looked like she did all the work. Really difficult moves like fouettes on pointe cannot be learned in two years. To a person who does in fact know ballet, I think we all knew it wasn't her doing those steps. Watch the interview with her dance double - everyone told her to keep quiet until the Oscars.
+Anastasia Knight The dance double was a real dancer. It was Sarah Lane, an ABT soloist who dances for one of the best companies in the world, and has been dancing since she was 4 years old.
+Reena Joshua I know who she is but I'm saying they should've just hired a dancer for the part instead of using her as a double and shutting her out of the production in the end
Apart from not acknowledging the fact that there was a dance double, they did everything exactly right. The film isn't only about dancing, it has an intense narrative and for that they needed a professional actress.
I think it still amazing that she didnt do any ballet training before the movie and she has this presence, a way of moving, that would make me never doubt it
This is a masterpiece of a film, and though it may not include perfect ballet, it certainly puts ballet in a new light, makes it available and interesting in a fresh way.
Lol crickets. They don't have an answer for you there. I completely agree with you. I don't see action movie stuntmen given any special kind of credit either so why should ballerinas.
Natalie is one of a kind. She does such a job here, you knew she was going to take home the Oscar and every other possible award for movie performance in existence once you saw her in this one. She was so devoted, so determined to reach her goal. But hey... she had a body double a lot of the time---Lord Knows you can tell. To undergo ballet at a professional level--the definition of demanding. Natalie did the full principal ballerina training, but only for a few months. --A Fan, Dane Youssef
She is beautiful and put a ton of work into it. Why do people have to be so angry and hateful and rude. It doesn't hurt to appreciate something and be happy for people who worked hard.
She didn’t need to (and realistically couldn’t) become a ballerina. She needed to train so that she had the language of the art form in her body so she could feel the part and effectively portray it. She didn’t need to be a profession to play the character.
A huge Natalie Portman fan since first spotting her in the movie 'The Professional' late ninety's? I enjoyed this movie ...AMAZING actress performing as a dancer. 👍🏽 SearchlightPictures Thank you xo
I also think Natalie's double did not get the recognition she deserved or even a mention when Portman accepted the award. The director and others who blindly defended her had to eat their words when the editor himself gave the REAL numbers and other math for the amount of dancing. For example director Aronofsky originally said : "I had my editor count shots.There are 139 dance shots in the film. 111 are Natalie Portman untouched. 28 are her dance double Sarah Lane. If you do the math, that's 80% Natalie Portman." But what he doesn't say is that he included shots of Portman's face, and from the shoulders up as "dancing". When the same editor was asked to count the dancing with FULL BODY shots, the truth now suddenly becomes very clear: He responded that "There are about 35 shots that are full body shots in the movie. Of those 35 shots, 12 are Natalie, and then the rest are Sarah." So now the math is suddenly very different, with Sarah doing 23 shots out of 35 or roughly 66% of the dancing. Amazing how it goes from 80% Natalie to 66% Sarah. Don't get me wrong I love Natalie Portman as an Actress, but Sarah should have been given credit for her hard work as well, which I think she wasn't. As others have said, you can't become a professional ballet dancer in a year and a half.
Do you realize how ridiculous it sounds? I mean nobody criticized Tom Cruise for not having thank his stunt double for "mission impossible" (I don't know what was the American title of this movie but you know what I'm talking about). So that's really pointless to me. There are so many movies where stunt double make a lot to create the illusion that the actor is the author. We don't want to break this illusion: even though it's obvious that Nathalie didn't do the job entirely. It's not glamourous to hear over and over: "She's not the one who did that!". That what cinema and being an actress is about: creating the illusion that it's true when it's not.
Not full credit, obviously, for all she did, since the PR office made this ridiculous claim. No stunt double would put up with it and no dancer should either.
There still is no discrepancy. If the 139 dance shots include full-body shots, then the original math is still very possible. If the 35 full body shots are in addition to the 139 then we're still talking about it being 71% Natalie Portman.
Huh? Did you even bother reading what was posted above? No, the 35 full body shots are not in addition to the 139 dance shots. There are about 35 FULL BODY shots in the movie, period. 23 are Sarah and 12 are Natalie. This is not my opinion. This comes directly from the Editor.
I think the controversy mainly stems from the fact that the film claimed Natalie learned in months what real ballerinas spend their whole lives training to achieve
I'm a ballerina and I'm not at all offended by it. Natalie's acting was phenomenal, and that's what she's there for. To act, not to dance. This is a movie about mental illness, not ballet. The director never said that she became a ballerina. He said that she portrayed the role convincingly, and that's exactly what she did and was supposed to do in the first place.
You’re not offended that she lied about doing the dancing part? The professional dancer that did her dancing stunts is offended that She wasn’t mentioned in the credits as doing the real dancing parts. You don’t have a say in the offense. Natalie and her manager and director lied to win an Oscar. She would not have won if she had told the truth.
@@sarashepard7504 what? She never claimed she did the dancing. From when the movie came out it was talked about how they filmed with the actual ballerina. How does an actor portray a doctor, astronaut etc?
@@sarashepard7504 Nobody ever said that.
@@sarashepard7504 Lol, she got paid for it like all the stunt doubles. Is this you, Sarah Lane?
@@cc3184 She claimed that she did most of the dancing. That was the comical offensive part to the stunt doubles who did the actual dancing.
In my opinion, the dance is a important part, but her expressions and acting were... my god... you can not improvise that. She's a great actress performing a dancer and she did what she did amazingly. Love her.
That's your opinion, the hard part of the expression is that the same time you have to be dancing as well.
If you stand still and does the impression, it will look very funny.
@@markarmage3776 That's why it's acting. Natalie has been an actress for many years. Just as Natalie cannot be a professional dancer in a short time, the dancer girl could not be a great actress, in a short time. Natalie trained and did what she could in a year. They weren't going to wait for 15 years to film the movie lol
@@marion6319 But at least they could do is not pretending it's Natalie dancing.
I thought all the dancing was natalie.
Everyone knows it's not possible to become a professional Ballet dancer in a year . She trained to try and look the part , develop muscles , tone the body and learn as much of ballet as possible in that time frame . She trained for upto 8 hrs - swimming a mile , doing ballet , cross training - all on a very strict starvation diet while working on other movies too , everyday for 6 months ! . We're talking bout her dedication and hard work here . Respect .
Then don’t call yourself a dancer, and accept awards.
most of the dancing was a body double with natalie portman face cgi on her
I respect her for putting in the work to convince us though.
nerdycats you were conviced by a double with her face morphed into it. Watch first the interview with that double. And secondly you are insulting are real pro bal.
Because they train also 22 years 6 hours a day. You cant do it in 6 months.
They just lied to the world
Yep
Who is us? Someone who never saw ballet in their lives?
Spoiler:She died jk
She faked it. She lied at someone else’s talent and expense. She needed to give the credit to the abt dancer that danced her part.
I'm sorry but when action movies roll out, no one expects to have the actors do all the jumping and stunting even when they perform simple stunts themselves? The movie focused on the mental illness, not the ballet and she did a good job acting like a ballerina. She even committed to losing weight for a more believable body. As far as I can, she convinced us that she was the ballerina, hence the Oscar.
+Jane Kimmy Ballet is NOT stunts and jumps. It's an art form in which there is acting, style, schooling, and training for 10 years in a real good professional school. There is NO stunt show at the Metropolitan Opera House.
It was an example and comparison hence why is says "When an ACTION movie..." The comparison is obvious unless you believe this is an action movie.
And stunt actors get CREDIT for the stunts. Stunts done by..... name. And when an actor does his/her own stunts is generally talked about a lot, because we all know they do not do it themselves.
And artists like Sarah Lane, get credit like artists, not as stunts. In the Pianist I see : "Pianist so and so. in the fifth Element: Singing by so and so. So that you know and don't go around calling ballet a stunt. It just sound really ignorant.
Jane Kimmy they also in action movies don't state that the main actor did all the stunts when it was actually a double. That's the point. They lied and said the dancing was all her.
Natalie's role in this was to ACT like a dancer, not to spend her whole life training and be a dancer, she is an actress. She absolutely committed to this role and deserved all the praise she received. She was incredibly convincing in this movie and she had the upper body of a dancer, which was all that was shown in most of the shots used. She openly has a body double, but it is admirable that she committed in such a way that made her that convincing just in upper body shots. Thats something most dancers have to work their whole life on.
+Helen Heywood I completely agree
Hazel Levesque ACTING like a dancer should not include DANCING like a 5 year old amateur. Just like ACTIN G like a brain surgeon should NOT include doing a real brain surgery on tent screen. If you want to show on the screen a REAL BRAIN surgery, it is highly recommended to get a real brain surgeon.
+adballet lmao because dancing is the same as doing surgery? There's a reason she won an Oscar for this. She's incredible and she deserved every bit of praise she got. Show me a 5 year old that has the upper body poster and technique that she has.
+Helen Heywood she has not technique, she just learn some choreographys for the movie, and also she doesn't have a skinny body like a real prima balleria, their weight (of the prima ballerina)is approximately around 30 to 40 kilograms and 40 k it's too much, and Natalie's weight is around 45/48. but it's okay, it's your opinion and i respect yours.
Dancing isn't the same as doing surgery, but learning to be a surgeon doesn't require one to sacrifice one's childhood, work for hours a day since 10 or so, get blisters, pain, bleeding toes, etc. Google "ballerina feet". In the 5th element movie, nobody claimed that the actress did the singing, they credited Inva Mula for singing. Artists deserve to be mentioned as such. Pianists are mentioned as well. Why is it different here?
I still don't understand the "controversy" I don't think anyone claimed that Natalie Portman is some prodigy ready to be a principal in a major company. She put in many many hours of training to convincingly portray a dancer, which I think is commendable and you would think dancers would respect an actor for that. Portman won an Oscar for her portrayal of a troubled woman, she didn't win the Prix De Luasanne.
You said it right hun, don't blame the actor for doing her job well which is acting. She played the roll of a ballerina and I myself saw her as just that during this movie 🎦(an actress) nothing less or more.
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Professional dancers train 8 hours a day. They leave home at 12 or even younger to train to be professional dancers. Yes she committed to the role but it is annoying that they made t seem like she accomplished becoming an amazing dancer in 6 months when it takes people years and years and years
+Lissie Boney hi you are right it takes years of training to become a ballerina and it is very hard work even for me and I am a ballet dancer myself and yes I am a man and I am going back to ballet school next week even at my age which is 54 I love ballet and I am a ballet lover to from john clements.
John Clements I am fascinated by ballet and it is amazing making something so difficult look flawless. There is a three episode show on youtube called bug ballet and it is when bigger people get to do ballet and be in a performance of swan lake. It is incredible to watch
Am I the only dancer who absolutely adores this movie? Not even because it has ballet woven into it, but because of the story, the fact that Mila Kunis is in it, and of course Natalie's acting. The fact that swan lake is a huge part of it is just an added bonus.
Okay, I don’t think people actually understand why the ballet world is upset, so I’ll explain. Natalie deserves that Oscar (for me at least) as she acted the role amazingly and should have gotten the Oscar purely based on the acting skills. There is no shame in having a dance double and most dancing films have them. However, her and the director acted as if they’d made Natalie into a professional dancer in a year and as if she’d done most of the dancing shots in order to help boost the chances of getting an Oscar. She shouldn’t have had to do that because, as I said, there’s no shame in having a dance double and no one was expecting her to dance most of the film. She then didn’t mention her double in the acceptance speech to further make it seem like she did all the dancing and was taking credit for it. The double was credited as a ‘hand double’ not a dance double at the end of the movie. That is just insulting. No one is asking for this double to get more recognition as other doubles, but to get the same recognition as other doubles because they effectively acted like she didn’t exist. That’s all we are saying. To reiterate, Natalie deserved the Oscar for acting, not dancing. Hope this clears things up.
Thank you. People like Natalie have issues with the truth
Guys, Natalie never tried to become a dancer in 6 months. She tried to convincingly look like one, and not harm herself along the way. After 6 months training, she wouldn't even be able to stand en pointe - her feet wouldn't be ready for this. But she would be able to do some little things. Note the amount of upper body shots in the movie. That's because the arms movement is easier to master than the legs (particularly with a choreographer who knows exactly what she can and can't do), so she didn't need a dance double for that. This is what she was training 6 months for. Natalie is an actor, and a really good one. She never tried to become a ballerina, merely to act a ballerina.
I think that what tickles the ballet world off the most is that someone somewhere said they made a ballerina out of her in six months. WE KNOW IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. As you can hear here Aronofsky said "She is very convincing" (at playing a ballerina) he never said she became a ballerina. Also, I don't think Portman even hinted that she had done that she doesn't strike me as disrespectful. Further proof, Mary Hellen Bowers is a ballerina, I like to think she wouldn't stand for such nonsense. If the credit Ms Lane received for a stunt double was less that what she deserved (at doing her job of being a stunt double) then I'm deeply sorry and ashamed for it. As someone who has done ballet (as a hobby though) I can understand your frustration and anger. But, this was a FILM not a BALLET PERFORMANCE, I'm all for giving credit when credit is due, but (im my opinion) by discrediting Nnatalie as a ballerina, which she isn't and never said she was, we are also discrediting her brillant acting skills which make possible for her to act as a ballerina (and one who also has serious mental problems on top of that)
100%! Not to mention everyone attesting to her skills is using a filmmaking context, in comparison to how other films are made and prepared for her preparation was VERY intense. She won the awards she did because of her acting, real ballerinas were not the target audience for the studio or director. I was totally seduced by her performance and to be honest, I remember the tension, the dialogue, the psychosis, far more than the dance scenes.
chill
I can survive Med School thats not what is was about. The oscars (producers called her before to try to silence her) went to her bc alot believed it was natalie dancing.
Not only is that decietfull. It causes more harm to real ballerinas who train for 22 years also 6 hours a day or more.
To give impression the dancing you saw was natalie is a lie all dancing was the double except the closeups of her hands and face.
If you call that dancing. Yeah then she did most of it. But the real feet work close ups and all further away dancing was ALL the double.
Its not only about crediting her. Its about saying yeah worls here is prove an actress can learn these dances in 6 months. Thats just not true! It takes from childhood blood tears toes that are bloody worse that will maybe (maybe!!l ) take you to become a pro ballerina.
And the oscar was for her whole performence. Thus also the "fake' dancing.
People voted for wrong reason. If they were honest yes all shots of real dancing is a double before the oscars and she wins for acting the rol fine! But it was not the case!
Get it? Hope so. 🕯⚘😘
I can survive Med School cccgv
I can survive Med School i totally agree I do dance it took me years of ballet to get on pointe and in this video she is dancing on flat ballet shoes and I’m the movie she can apparently dance on pointe (I’m just trying to say give Sara lane some credit for being a stunt double)
The stunt doubles name is in the credits at the end of the movie, just like any other stunt doubles name should be. What do people want, for the real ballerina to get an Oscar too? Get real!
She was ALSO credited with a character acting role, in which she had NO lines, and spent less time on the screen in that character than every other UNCREDITED extra in other scenes. (Gala scene, for example.)
Right, who cares about getting credit as an extra if you performed Swan Lake without credit?
You don't get jobs as a prima ballerina in Swan Lake by saying lines. Get you facts straight.
well she didnt get a job as prima ballerina in Swan Lake. She got a job in a movie, a place where people say lines
Well, for stunt doubles and stunt choreographers to have their own Oscar categories, for one thing
she is an actress not a dancer, so she did a perfect job!
I really congratulate Natalie. She did amazing and her best to dance like a well trained ballerina. I think some people are expecting too much from her, of course she won't be perfect, but at least she tried to do the art justice.
Nicole Jarel My dance teacher, former rockette, Judy Greenhut actually trained her in theatre dance for 8 years and she talked about Natalie and her dancing all the time. I agree with you.
It was more that they implied that she had the strength to go from NO ballet training to being en pointe (correctly) within a few months; when realistically girls do not start pointe until they are 11-12 years old and as a ballet dancer it's very big step and exciting time in you dancing life!
1:36 my god, those back muscles! They're incredible!
Hmmmm. I don't often say stuff like this, but, why should her stunt double get more recognition than other stunt doubles do? Because this is serious work and there is an illusion that Portman did it herself? That was the point, and to pull people into it. Because it is degrading to compare regular stunt people to stunt dancers? Is that really what you all mean cause both classes put their bodies at risk. So, yeah, she is a stunt double. And a good one. Would be nice to be recognized as more, but that was her job. I think we all need to calm down and realize that.
Agreed
Sarah lane let people know it was her because portman and her whole crew were lying about it and that discredits all dancers because ballet is one of the most difficult sports there is and to say that you can learn to dance like that in a year is complete bullshit and insulting to all dancers
I agree. Stunt doubles should get way more credit.
Callie Jet I am not a dancer so I can't know how you feel, but being insult by that seems a bit too sensitive. They might have full out said that Portman did it all, but letting people refer to you as the real black swan makes it seem like the acting doesn't matter. That is if we are going with the dancer's logic. But I will agree in saying that doing something all on your own when you didn't is wrong.
No one would have insulted a stunt double the way Lane was insulted. If a studio claimed that an actor/actress had done 90% of the stunts in a movie, there would be an outcry if it were found to be untrue. Stunt doubles would be defended against such claims, and dancers should be too.
You guys should recognize that Portman did do a lot of training and weight loss for the role; therefore, she shouldn't give all the credit away. Moreover, the award is for acting, not dancing. And lastly, it's not like every actor goes up there and credits their stunt doubles. Portman deserves the credit, and personally, I think Lane is making it into a bigger issue than it should be.
Oh my Gawd she lost weight?
She got votes because the Producers lied. That's just Hollywood. No integrity.
Beatifull woman,
And great actor, love how she bring feelings and emotions to the screen
She was STUNNING...in this film.
For those that don’t understand why real dancers felt disrespected: it wasn’t about how much she danced, it’s that they tried to say Natalie did MOST of the dancing completely discrediting that a professional ballerina did the work that made her look like a real dancer.
but she did do most of the dancing in the film. the stunt double on did the wide shots and most of the film isn’t even wide shots, they’re pov and it’s clearly natalie’s arm movements. and idky the stunt wants to claim that dancing, because it wasn’t the best ballet i’ve seen.
And why are you acting offended towards Natalie? Be angry towards the rest of the world for praising Natalie at her great acting skills.
...In case you didn't get the memo, Natalie is an actress. You're offended because she did such a good job that people overly praised her? Lol
Natalie should’ve done what Margot Robbie did in I, Tonya and be upfront. It’s all about respect at the end of the day and I’m so sick of it myself seeing celebrities use their platforms and popularity to overshadow the genuine performers out there. It happens in the performing arts industry quite often.
@@sora123aqua3 Natalie and her team went on an Oscar campaign implying she didn't have the help of a double. The director himself called Sarah Lane (the double) to ask her not to give interviews before awards season. Nobody is talking about the acting, we are talking about the dancing. It doesn't matter if she trained to do upper body ballet moves and some spins, it takes months to even get on pointe and years to be able to achieve the 32 fouette coda in Black Swan, something ballerinas who have trained decades still can't achieve. Nobody would even care if Natalie and the movie producers hadn't tried to sold it off like she achieved the impossible when her face was actually superimposed with effects over Sarah's body lmao. They showed the making of that and later removed it before the Oscars. You're gullible.
I do think, when people talked about the amount of dancing Natalie Portman did in the movie, they should've been more honest. The amount she did was still pretty impressive but Sarah Lane deserved way more credit when it came to people talking about the dancing.
Although when it came to Natalie Portman winning the awards she got for her performance she didn't have to credit Sarah Lane, she could of but she more than likely didn't think about it. In a moment like that I am sure it's very easy to forget people and that was her moment not Sarah's. She probably just mentioned the people who she was close to during the training and shooting and that wouldn't of necessarily been Sarah Lane.
The thing is Natalie Portman won her Oscar and other awards due to her acting and not the amount of dancing she did. People did say that they wouldn't of voted for her if they knew how much she actually did but to me though that is wrong. While Sarah Lane made the dancing performance wonderful to watch she wasn't Natalie Portman who gave a chilling and enrapturing acting performance.
Stop saying "would of", it's would HAVE !
@@ElaAusDemTal Gosh, thank you!! I'm not even a native speaker, and that "... of" drove me nuts 🙄😂!
.most actors don't mention their body/stunt doubles when receiving an award. This is no different.
I've been dancing for 8 years and am currently in college for it. Not very pedestrian. Ballet dancers are trained to act with their bodies, just like actors are trained to act with their voices. They are two distinctly separate art forms and fluency in both is few and far between.
And ballet IS an illusion because we make it look easy, when it's not.
Sarah Lane signed a contract with the producers of Black Swan. Natalie was simply an actor on the film, she had nothing to do with Sarah's business. It was Sarah's responsibility to secure what she wanted in terms of recognition/credit when she signed her contract.
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Y’all don’t get that’s not the problem right? Im pretty sure nowhere in the contract did it say “you are not allowed to give interviews or say anything about you being a dance double, OH yes and we are going to lie and say Natalie did 90% of the dancing” one thing is not giving doubles enough recognition which is normal and another thing is lying and shutting the double out in order to benefit themselves
M P Sarah Lane signed a contract paying her to be NP’s dance double. I’m sure her contract made no mention of how the producers would encourage the media to promote the idea that NP did 90 % of the dancing-maybe she had to sign a confidentiality clause. If she wanted the public to know “the truth” she should have thought about that before signing on to a Hollywood film
I don't understand why ballerinas/dancers feel like this movie is a chance to poke and prod at every possible fault of Portman. This movie was not a movie about dance, it was a suspense/drama film. Sarah Lane KNEW that she would get little to no credit when she signed the papers to work on this film, that's how it works for stunt doubles. Sarah should have been honored to be a stunt double, but instead she wined and complained with the common "nobody understands how hard my sport is" just like every other person does when they think someone makes their sport look easy. As both a skater and a dancer, I totally disagree with the way that Sarah Lane handled this situation and I think it made her look insanely immature. What do people expect from Natalie? To run around screaming to the whole world that she had a stunt double? No other stunt double in any movie gets extreme recognition for their work, that's just the way it is. The whole point of a stunt double is to make it look like the actress is actually performing the work that the stunt double is. The only reason Lane did what she did is because she wanted to draw attention to herself and get fame.
Thank you!! I couldn't have said it better myself.
And nobody is naive enough to think that Nathalie Portman became a professionnal dancer in 6 months...
yesss finally!!! exactly what i wanted to say
They never said she became a pro, while some people on my side act like it. They said she can portray one convincingly (to the average eye is implied). The issue is in the Oscars and interviews she never mentioned her double.
Aronofsky is claiming that Natalie Portman did 80 - 90% of the dancing. That's why Sarah Lane was speaking out to say that that's not true. To say she did a bulk of the dancing implies that she learned to be a ballerina in 6 months no matter how much they try to cover their tracks to say that that's not what they're saying.
"“Here is the reality. I had my editor count shots. There are 139 dance shots in the film. 111 are Natalie Portman untouched. 28 are her dance double Sarah Lane,” Aronofsky said. “If you do the math that’s 80% Natalie Portman. What about duration? The shots that feature the double are wide shots and rarely play for longer than one second. There are two complicated longer dance sequences that we used face replacement. Even so, if we were judging by time over 90% would be Natalie Portman.”
I'm a dancer, and have been dancing for 11 years and I think she did an amazing job. She's beautiful, and being able to catch on that what us dancers can do in just 6 months just amazes me.
Stop hating on her, she took up ballet classes when she was young. She was a dancer before going to acting. Get your facts straight first before hating.
Exactly
Actually she didn't dance any of this.She had a dance double the whole time who didn't even get credit for what she did.
AlyCat23 yes she did, the dance double only did some of it, they counted which shots were natalie dancing and it was something like 80%
upper body shots don't count as dance shots.
I wasn't talking about just the upper body shots... I'm not denying she had a double, the truth is she still did quite a lot of the dancing
I think this insane training she was ready to go through in just six months really made the movie and her superb performance in her role, as she really got a feel not just for the act of dancing, but for the psychology behind it: how utterly obsessed these people are and how this dedication goes far beyond anything that you alone as a person are. It is a dedication to the art beyond a dedication to yourself and this is what is truly fascinating and truly, truly scary about a dancer's life.
As a ballet dancer, I absolutely love this movie because I recognize that Portman was just playing a part and was not actually suppose to convince the world that she magically became a ballerina in 6 months. Her dance double is mentioned (though I think was not given enough credit) so there really is no problem because she isn’t insulting the dance world. Natalie was there for the upper body shots and the dance double was for the rest, there’s nothing wrong with that
So cast a ballerina instead of a half rate.
Come on, people. Sarah Lane got the EXACT same credit any other stunt double gets in any other movie. Watch any action movie behind the scenes, like Avengers, for example. Do they show the stunt doubles doing all of the action sequnces? No, they usually show the actors and what scenes they could do they didn't require a double. The actors hardly ever mention them in their interviews, yet no one is throwing up a fit like this. Sarah Lane was a STUNT DOUBLE, not an actor. Natalie Portman obviously had to do some of the scenes and do ballet to become more immersed in her character. Chill out. If Sarah Lane wanted more recognition for her, she could have fought for it. But this is how all stunt doubles are treated (rather unfortunately), so don't get upset and blame it all on poor Natalie Portman.
If you were a stunt double for an actor and that actor took credit for the majority of the stunt work (when YOU know you actually did the majority of it), you'd be upset too. That's the issue here. Natalie gave a great performance but for her and her team to make it appear as if she did the majority of the dancing to help her Oscar campaign is shady.
If you say you've done something you haven't done, you are a liar and people have the right to call you out. Natalie and the studio lied to create an inmate that was not true for the Oscars. They were called out. Not sorry for them.
I disagree. That's their job. Not to get credit, but to do the action instead of the actor. We all know they exist, were not idiots, we know that the actors don't perform it all.
The stunt double says she did the majority of the takes but the director says that was Portman's work.It's up to you who do you believe.I mean,do you believe a girl who could be just trying to get attention and take credit for the actor's job?Or do you believe in a director that could be saying that just to protect his team even though it may be true what the girl says?We can't know the truth,it's impossible for us so everyone should believe the person they wanna believe and that's it,
yuritanndesu It sounds ignorant to call an art form which is 400 years old a stunt show. So that you know.
You know, Portman isn't a stupid woman. Chances are she knew full well the backslash that would happen. My guess is that if she'd had her choice she'd have trotted around this ballerina everywhere she went to prevent it.
In the end its the director and especially the producers that get final say in the promotion of the movie, not the actors. So if you're going to throw shade at least throw it in the right direction.
If you noticed in the training with the Ballet teacher, and them obviously using the shots without her dance double, she is not en pointe. The closest she gets is where she is obviously holding onto a wall, and from what I understand, the ballet bar is used for when people first learn how to be en pointe. check this video out again and really look. Sarah should've been acknowledged atleast, but whether or not that was a deliberate slight only Portman knows. I can imagine being on stage getting a major award you may just start rambling and skip (or include) people that later on you go "dammit, I wish I had said this...or not said this".
All the ballet girls complaining are so annoying, they did credit the dancer. They never made it seem like it was natalie doing all the dancing, you could watch the bts and see for your own self that they show the double dancing and then how they replaced her face with natalie's, they always talked about the double. But anyway natalie did a great job, she did trained really hard for that role.
The agent called the real dancer, Sarah Lane, and asked her not to do any interviews about her role as Natalie's double, until at least after the Oscars. Why would he do that, if not to make it seem like Natalie did all the work?
They actually tried to make it appear as if Natalie did the majority of the dancing to help her Oscar campaign. They even tried to silence the double from saying they did the harder wide shots. That is pretty shady. That's why a lot of ballerinas are upset about it.
+peachy girl, did you watch the bts? They show the dancer doing the last scene where she transform into a swan in the theater and she also did the dream in the introduction. They show all that
Anyone who believed that Natalie could do all the pointe parts after only 1 year and a half of training clearly knows nothing about ballet. Natalie did a fantastic job and if they silenced the double before the oscars it was because of the drama it would have generated. Natalie was amazing
therealJodan Please! To give the dancong that much credit, to where the Oscar was at that much of a risk completely discredits the rest of the movie, including the story, producers, actors (Many of them A-list actors), and overall film quality. If dancing is that vital, Oscar risking vital, then do you know how many movies with dancing would get one?
Having been a ballerina for years (many years ago) Sarah Lane absolutely deserves far more credit than she was given. There’s no way on earth that anyone could transform their body, develop the skill, endurance, flexibility, and just the overall know-how that Nina was portrayed to possess in the 18 or so months of training that Natalie had. Don’t get me wrong, I adore her and she’s one of my favorite actresses, but I started at 7 years old and worked my butt off for years; you literally have no life outside of ballet. I believe that Sarah Lane had been dancing for 22 years when she was the body double who did 95% of the dancing. Although the use of the many mirrors in the film serve a metaphorical purpose, they also lend to tricking the viewers eye. Also, not once have I seen a production of Swan Lake with the heavy makeup; yet another trick. Consider the difference between the black swans and the white swans eye makeup; practically impossible when you consider that both parts are danced by the same ballerina. Costume changes are rapid, you have at least 2 other people getting you in and out of costume, there is no time for such unrealistic, repeated makeup changes. The heavy makeup was actually a good idea on the part of the makeup artists for the film, at a distance, unless you’re looking for it, you likely won’t notice that so many of the very difficult parts are done by Sarah.
Yes, Natalie was able to transform her body to resemble that of many ballerinas, although a lot of ballerinas tend to have a bit more muscle in their legs. Had she actually performed the all the fouettés, she probably would have developed more muscular legs. Okay, I’m getting a bit nitpicky, sorry.
I would be extremely pissed off had I been in Sarah Lane’s position. I think the biggest insult was that we, the audience, are expected to believe that an actress learned in 18 months what takes a real ballerina 22 years to learn. Read the credits, Sarah Lane is listed twice, once as “Lady in the Lane,” (wtf is that supposed to mean) and once again under “Stunts.”
I love that she REALLY TRAINED for this role. That's commitment to your craft.
I don't think she pretended to be a ballet dancer anywhere in this video. She didn't take credit for it all and she spoke the truth about how grueling a ballerina's practice is. Although her stunt double has performed most of the dances, Natalie has nailed the motions, the expressions and most of all, has convinced the audience that she really is a ballerina. That is talent.
Amen !!!!
Natalie Portman isn't taking credit for being a professional ballet dancer. Her job is as an actor as as such she did what she needed to do to prepare herself for giving a believable performance. In this, she was truly amazing and dedicated to performing as a woman going through a mental process. This movie is a physiological thriller that features ballet, not a movie on ballet. Yes, Natalie had a ballet double and you can see in this video she dances in ballet flats, but her job is in facial expression, use of voice and physicality, not whether she can dance the swan parts fully and en pointe. The method acting she devoted 2 years too is truly admirable, and is not uncommon, many actors do similar things to try to understand their character. Natalie worked hard to tone and learn technique just as how Christian Bale lost 1/3 of his body weight to under his character in The Machinist and how many actors have to work out intensively to tone for action movies. So we're all a little jealous that Natalie gets to do ballet instead, but what's the real difference? She is an actor, and if you're going to judge then judge her for that. She doesn't claim to be a professional dancer at any point and I truly admire her for taking on such a challenging role. Sarah Lane is a beautiful dancer, and deserves credit for it, but the main point here is that this movie isn't about ballet, it's about the protagonist's journey through a physiological state in trying to achieve perfection in which Natalie was, in my opinion, perfect.
Well said!
Hear hear!
It's not her action g people have a problem with, it's the fact that she or the movie team didn't give the real dancer at least some of the credit.
@@shadebladed8 she was a stunt double and got as much recognition as any other would. In the credits. Get over it.
@@Lucky7girl100 nah what pissed her off was that Natalie was tryna say she did all stunts, that she was basically a real ballerina. It was cap, get over it
Thank God my mother wasn't alive to see this film!! She was one of (if not) the best Cecchetti teachers in Australia. She would have laughed her arse off, then said something brilliantly sarcastic! (maybe I wish now she HAD seen it) R.I.P Mum, Cecchetti will never be the same in this country.
Guys she didn't get an oscar for dancing, it was about her stunning acting transforming into the evil twin. The dancing was something extra that we all knew was not fully performed by her, just as action actors have stunt doubles so did her. She deserved the recognition
the ballerina who was her double wasnt really upset about not getting the attention, she was miffed about how natalie was portrayed as an actor who picked up ballet in a matter of months. she thought that it gave people the idea that learning ballet was easy and anyone could do it. it wasnt personal, she just loves ballet and didnt want people second guessing the dedication it takes to dance with such skill
She was mesmerizing in Black swan. Her short part in Cold mountain was riveting. Her mountain dialect was spot on.
The problem was that Black Swan's team called Sarah Lane (the dance double) to not do any interviews until after the Oscar's because it would harm Natalie's image. They wanted to make people believe that "80 percent of the dancing was done by Natalie" if close ups are counted as dancing, yes Natalie did do 80 percent of dancing. Sarah made it clear that Natalie deserved the Oscar and she is not asking for awards, she was just pissed because people denigrated her, and she had every right to be pissed off.
Dancing was a huge and essential part of this movie and she deserved more recognition. Instead, Darren Aronofsky wanted Natalie to get all the admiration and this video makes it clear. You can't be a ballerina in 1 year.
In case you guys didn´t know, she acted from the waist up, legs are shots from ABT dancer Sarah Lana, and this movie doesn´t have heavy dancing anyway.
Its a girl named Sarah Lane who did the majority of the dancing in this film, not Natalie. I find it hard to believe that she (Natalie) could dance like that after only training for a year, let alone dance like that in pointe shoes. I've danced since I was four and I only got pointe shoes 2-3 years ago, and its very challenging to dance in them. Give Sarah the credit.
I do. I train 3 times a week at the national ballet of Canada. All I am saying is its nice if people can be happy for others. I was saying that why not "appreciate" Natalie p'S hard work for this movie. She is by means not a professional, but we saw that she trained and put her time in meaning that was hard work. We all know how difficult class can be especially the dedication...the blood , sweat and tears..IF she trained for half a year in ballet for this role...she was dedicated and
felt it.
natalie is an actress, it was part of the character/role to seem like a dancer. so she studied her character and dance lessons was part of this process,that's the fact. she took the award for her acting. it is normal for the film to have an actual dancer for back up, in the same way that in action movies of the previous decades the actors did not participate at the dangerous scenes.
Thanks UA-cam for the recommendation in 2021. Love Natalie and 'Black Swan'. Amazing actress.
am i the only one who recognized the "Suspiria" background? That's a horror movie btw, also based on ballet
Suspiria is great
Cider Falls yes it is. Can't wait for the remake!
Dario Argento docet...
I loved the movie..I didn't know she had to go through all of this..I always found her and Kerri Washington to look alike but different shades lol..even their facial expressions and the way they speak
I loved how they used Suspiria's soundtrack on this!
Me too!!
Lane said that she started speaking up because the directors were implying that Portman did all of the dancing to the Oscar voters.
fun fact: the music is from Suspiria, another ballet-based horror film
THANK YOU!! I am so happy someone else caught that! XD
Yas queen
this movie is absolutely incredible, just beyond fascinating i love natalie portman seeing her act and dance at the same time in such an amazing movie makes me love her even more
I love how her body looks like a ballerina's (at least for the untrained eye, like mine).
lol I'm just here because I'm doing Mary Helen's workout series and wanted to see if she really trained Natalie...
I agree that the ballet stunt double deserves credit, just like any other stunt double...
However, you don’t see controversy like this with stunt doubles in an action movie. We don’t expect the avengers’ actors to be doing all their own stunts, nor do we hear them thanking their stunt doubles by name every chance they get. Yes, ballet is a major part of this movie, but as are all of the action sequences in an action film. And Natalie clearly did so much to prepare mentally and physically for this role, she deserves recognition for the work she put into this movie as an actor.
Honestly it's always women getting dragged.
No one is saying Natalie didn't deserve the Oscar ...she did.
The message most people are trying to convey is that the actual dancing (especially in the final sequence) was not done by Natalie, and the ballerina who did it shouldn't have been silenced.
The tiny bit of dancing she did ,you could tell it someone who hadn’t danced but the acting bits where great.Her double was as brilliant in her dancing as Portman was in her acting both made that part.Natalie got someone’s hubby out of it for herself too 😂
She only ever wants men who are taken
wait, wait, this soundtrack...suspiria, suspiria theme.
WOW
Yas queen
+VaVaAmai yass
I think the reason people are getting offended is because he was given zero credit, while usually in movies with doubles, they are given credit for it. Natalie portman completely forgot to mention her double when giving her speech at the oscars, Im a dancer, and i just think she should have given more credit to her double, because ballet was the part that made the movie extra special. It had good acting, good special effects, an ballet mad wit even better. So, the dance double did a LOT for the movie. Without her it wouldn't be the same.
Totally agree
+One and only, yes but not enough, and natalie portaman didnt even mention her in her speech at the oscars where she was thanking everyone who helped with the movie.
The double's contract didn't include anything about being credited. And she signed the contract knowing well of the conditions, nobody forced her to sign it and really it wasn't anybody's responsibility to credit her.
It was misleading not to. Natalie Portman and others made it sound that Natalie did a lot more dancing than what she actually did.
Did Natalie even need to thank Sarah Lane in her Oscar acceptance speech? No she didn't; she won her Oscar because of what she did, not because of what her dance doubles did and she didn't win her Oscar because of the dancing; she won it for all the hard work, commitment and training that she put into this role and her stellar performance. She could've left everything to a dance double, but she didn't, so for someone who's not a professionally-trained dancer, she deserves a lot of credit for having undergone training because she could've just left all the dancing to dance doubles. This just goes to show how seriously she took this project.
And another thing, Lane didn't do all the dancing either because Natalie had TWO dance doubles; the other one was Kimberely Prosa and I never heard her complaining, nor did I ever hear Lane speaking out for her or Maria Riccetto, who was Mila Kunis's dance double.
The real dancer that did some of Natalie's moves was like, "This bitch ain't do all of those moves. No one can perfect what I've been doing for 22 years in a year and a half!" lol.
***** You meant her name "is" Sarah Lane not "was." Was would be implying that she has become deceased (died). In addition, I don't believe I asked what her name was. It's a UA-cam video for Christ sake; not a humanitarian award acceptance speech. I was having fun btw. Only people that have sticks up their butt would take youtube comments seriously. You only live once; stop making yourself seem or feel more important than you truly are. We are all visitors on this planet and life will go on with or without us.
If you want classy then the internet is not for you! Cheers XD
Yes Sarah did the more intricate dance moves and deserves credit but in no way did she disrespect Natalie by making the statement that you quoted. You're lucky she isn't suing you for libel.
Thank you body double dancer that did the real work.
I like to compare the whole stunt double controversy in Black Swan to Chloe Grace Moretz playing cello in If I Stay. To reach to level of dancing and playing that Nina and Mia achieve, it requires a bare minimum of 6-7 years of training, and that is only if the person is incredibly talented. As a violinist, not a dancer, I can say it would simply be impossible for Chloe to play Saint Saens A Minor in the film, so of course none of the cast or crew tried to claim that Chloe's face wasn't superimposed onto the body of another girl during all the cello scenes. Likewise, it is insulting and degrading for the cast and crew of Black Swan to claim that Natalie Portman could dance as well as a professional dancer after six months of training.
I am surprised that the actuall dance scenes were not danced by nataly.Thanks God I find out this now because she inspired me to start studing despite I´m not a kid I´m 27. I´m dancing fot two years now and I´cant go pointe shoes yet, but a year from now I think will get them. The movie is great.
She got an award for being an incredible actress playing a disturbed teen girl incredibly well. Not for dancing. This was a psychological thriller, not a dance movie.
I congratulate both Natalie and Sarah for amazing classic performances. Wonderful award-winning production across the entire professional board. 📽☕🇺🇸👼
i think it's pretty obvious that Natalie didn't do any of the intricate moves. You can tell the difference in their forms ( Natalie's legs are a little shorter and stockier. Sara's are thinner....more like a ballet dancer's legs. No one in their right mind can watch this scene with Natalie twirling around on her tipy toes like a 7 year old and compare that to the movements of the actual ballerina.
Her ballet dance trainer the one speaking is absolutely stunning as well
As a ballerina I don’t understand why people are so offended? She isn’t a full on dancer, but she sure put a lot of work into this. And her acting was just ✨mwa ✨.
I've been learning ballet since 5(now I'm 13) but I agree with some of you, Natalie won the Oscar because her acting was amazing, not because of the dance part, plus she paid hard work.
Portman portrayed her role as a ballet artist so damn well in this film because some of you sound completely nuts. We get that ballet requires years and years of training and that no one could possibly become major talented in 6 months - but don't discredit the hard work that she and the whole team put into this production. Quit the whining because if anything, y'all should recognize that this movie actually portrayed how hard and demanding the sport of ballet is. Credit where credit is due: Portman (an ACTRESS) acted the role of a troubled ballerina so well she received an Oscar.
The suspiria music at the beginning is just perfect, this movie IS perfection
Wendy Verdades Saying this part should have gone to a "dancer who can act", is like saying, since there's lots of acting in Giselle, they should head down to the Actor's Studio and find an actor who's done a few years of ballet and "movement for the actor", classes to do it. Makes no sense right?
Look this isn't a dance musical like An American in Paris, or a movie where the whole point is the dance with a bit of movie in between like, The Red Shoes, The Turning Point, or Center Stage. It is, in its entirety, about the main character, who is a ballerina, going insane. The movie is meticulous in how it shows in detail how her mind unravels. This take very very serious acting skills, which is WHY Portman won the award in the first place. Not the dancing.
Actors having to learn something to a high standard in such a short amount of time to be able to look convincing doing it on screen is incredibly impressive.
This is my 9th year dancing (I took a 2 year break). And the double didn't get enough credit, trust me, if I could get that good in 6 months, that would be great
Thank you! I've been dancing for 13 years and I'm not up to that level (I do only do it once a week though). As a dancer I find it quite insulting how they make a hard and beautiful art seem so easy because Natalie Portman became an 'amazing' dancer in 6 months
+Lissie Boney she didn´t, they pretend she did but she didn´t
You realise they were talking about the fact that she looked believably like a dancer, right? They NEVER say in this video that she learned to actually dance ballet. They were using the training to build up her ACTING ability for the role. To act as a dancer, she had to have a certain amount of technique so she'd LOOK like she'd been doing it for years.
Stunt doubles don't USUALLY get much credit. She knew exactly what she was signing up for. She was actually shown dancing in the BTS; most doubles don't even get THAT. A lot of doubles are not credited at all. It is an invisible trade. You're meant to believe the ACTOR is doing it. This is no different. The stunt double just decided she didn't get enough attention and tried to grab some.
Keep in mind I'm not putting down her talent as a dancer. But dancers - especially ballerinas - rarely if ever become AS famous as a movie star. I think she expected to get more from this film than she actually did or was ever going to. Because remember, she only got a stunt double role and stunt doubles are almost NEVER credited or mentioned. I think she thought she would be for some reason, and would gain an amount of fame. That obviously didn't happen, so she decided to make up some story about how "they made everyone think Natalie did all the dancing" when HONESTLY, if anyone out there is stupid enough to believe Natalie became a pro ballerina in six months, especially when she never actually CLAIMED that, that's THEIR fault. Not the film makers'.
Part of the Oscars campaign was to make it seem that Natalie did the dancing. Sarah was told to keep her work, which was a large part of the character, a secret.
See no. They got paid plenty and credit was given where the credit is given for everyone. At the end of the film in the credits. Thats all that was necessary
but she totally has a beauty and the body of a ballerina! and the amazing acting of this film? she deserves 100% credit!!!
As a stunt double you know you don't get as much recognition as the actress does, it's probably in your contract, you know from experience. Don't come crying afterwards
BUT actors who use stunt doubles don't go around claiming they did all the stunts themselves. And producers don't lie to the Academy in order to get more votes like they did for the Oscars. Academy voters said they voted for Natalie because they were told by the film producers that she did all the dancing herself. Sarah Lane's only credit was "lady in the lane" which was not credit for the dancing at all. They intentionally mislabeled the dancing credit to imply there wasn't a double. As a stunt double, I'm sure that didn't happen in your films. And videos like this, claiming that Natalie "became a ballerina" in a year only added to the lie.
Natalie is my favorite female actress as far as her skill goes. The thing about actors is that they have the ability to learn quickly to become something. Thats why they are good. Natalie is obviously capable of Learning that does not involve the barriers of Time. I know personally what this is about. And its possible.
Lane danced en pointe. Any scenes where you see the foot work, that is Lane dancing. It takes anywhere from 3 to 7 years to learn and strengthen enough to dance en pointe. One year of training intensely will not get you there. While Natalie did do most of the head shots, she did not dance en pointe. No I'm not upset, just pointing out the facts. I know several people who really did think that was her doing all the pointe work. Beautiful work from both women though. Natalie did indeed do a very convincing job being a ballerina, which was what she was training to do because even the upper body of a ballerina takes training. She never said she trained en pointe. The first few years of ballet aren't done en pointe, but you still train. She is one of my favorite actresses!
you cannot please every1 even how much you pour out your best. what i appreciate and love about natalie portman is her PERSEVERANCE and DEDICATION in her work, even how they try to put her down or the cruel and rude ways they pour into her she just keeps going and never give inn to those nasty and negative talks about her. all i am saying is that she's a FIGHTER and GREAT ACTRESS.
What upset people (including her dance double) was that she never thanked or even acknowledged that she had a dance double (in her acceptance speech). I love Natalie Portman, and she worked really hard at this role, but come on, give credit where credit is due. To a lay person who does not know the ins and outs of ballet, she looked like she did all the work. Really difficult moves like fouettes on pointe cannot be learned in two years. To a person who does in fact know ballet, I think we all knew it wasn't her doing those steps. Watch the interview with her dance double - everyone told her to keep quiet until the Oscars.
If they were going to do a ballet movie in the first place they should've hired a real dancer instead of wasting time on dance doubles and CGI effects
+Anastasia Knight The dance double was a real dancer. It was Sarah Lane, an ABT soloist who dances for one of the best companies in the world, and has been dancing since she was 4 years old.
+Reena Joshua I know who she is but I'm saying they should've just hired a dancer for the part instead of using her as a double and shutting her out of the production in the end
Just like high strung they used a real dancer, acting wise not as good but at least she could dance
Apart from not acknowledging the fact that there was a dance double, they did everything exactly right. The film isn't only about dancing, it has an intense narrative and for that they needed a professional actress.
I think it still amazing that she didnt do any ballet training before the movie and she has this presence, a way of moving, that would make me never doubt it
I love how the use the music from Suspiria for this lol
Prime example why I love Natalie!!
Not possible to become a ballerina in a year but she did do a lovely job:)
Caitlin, actually Misty Copeland worked professionally after a year of study but of course it's extremely rare..
She is a beautiful woman who worked hard as she could to achieve her goal. I admire her!
I cannot believe she didn't do ballet before!
She is highly inspiring to people who desire success in their business.
0:58 the guy who dancing with her is her husband
This is a masterpiece of a film, and though it may not include perfect ballet, it certainly puts ballet in a new light, makes it available and interesting in a fresh way.
I'm surprised anyone recognized the Suspiria theme song lol
I did, homie, I did! :)
I did!
I just want to clarify, your metatarsal are the bones in your feet.
You don't "grow' new muscles, you grow current muscles which become stronger.
Did you all get mad at Big Eyes when you found out the actors didn't paint the paintings too or?
TheCatsMeow exactly
Lol crickets. They don't have an answer for you there. I completely agree with you. I don't see action movie stuntmen given any special kind of credit either so why should ballerinas.
Natalie is one of a kind. She does such a job here, you knew she was going to take home the Oscar and every other possible award for movie performance in existence once you saw her in this one. She was so devoted, so determined to reach her goal. But hey... she had a body double a lot of the time---Lord Knows you can tell. To undergo ballet at a professional level--the definition of demanding. Natalie did the full principal ballerina training, but only for a few months.
--A Fan, Dane Youssef
Valeu a pena todo o esforço, Natalie. Menina, você fez um trabalho lindo.
"It was perfect" :´)
She is beautiful and put a ton of work into it. Why do people have to be so angry and hateful and rude. It doesn't hurt to appreciate something and be happy for people who worked hard.
She didn’t need to (and realistically couldn’t) become a ballerina. She needed to train so that she had the language of the art form in her body so she could feel the part and effectively portray it. She didn’t need to be a profession to play the character.
A huge Natalie Portman fan since first spotting her in the movie 'The Professional' late ninety's? I enjoyed this movie ...AMAZING actress performing as a dancer. 👍🏽 SearchlightPictures Thank you xo
I also think Natalie's double did not get the recognition she deserved or even a mention when Portman accepted the award. The director and others who blindly defended her had to eat their words when the editor himself gave the REAL numbers and other math for the amount of dancing. For example director Aronofsky originally said :
"I had my editor count shots.There are 139 dance shots in the film. 111 are Natalie Portman untouched. 28 are her dance double Sarah Lane. If you do the math, that's 80% Natalie Portman."
But what he doesn't say is that he included shots of Portman's face, and from the shoulders up as "dancing".
When the same editor was asked to count the dancing with FULL BODY shots, the truth now suddenly becomes very clear: He responded that "There are about 35 shots that are full body shots in the movie. Of those 35 shots, 12 are Natalie, and then the rest are Sarah." So now the math is suddenly very different, with Sarah doing 23 shots out of 35 or roughly 66% of the dancing. Amazing how it goes from 80% Natalie to 66% Sarah.
Don't get me wrong I love Natalie Portman as an Actress, but Sarah should have been given credit for her hard work as well, which I think she wasn't. As others have said, you can't become a professional ballet dancer in a year and a half.
Do you realize how ridiculous it sounds? I mean nobody criticized Tom Cruise for not having thank his stunt double for "mission impossible" (I don't know what was the American title of this movie but you know what I'm talking about). So that's really pointless to me. There are so many movies where stunt double make a lot to create the illusion that the actor is the author. We don't want to break this illusion: even though it's obvious that Nathalie didn't do the job entirely. It's not glamourous to hear over and over: "She's not the one who did that!". That what cinema and being an actress is about: creating the illusion that it's true when it's not.
That's apart of her job dude. She still got paid and was probably given credit in the CREDITS!
Not full credit, obviously, for all she did, since the PR office made this ridiculous claim. No stunt double would put up with it and no dancer should either.
There still is no discrepancy. If the 139 dance shots include full-body shots, then the original math is still very possible. If the 35 full body shots are in addition to the 139 then we're still talking about it being 71% Natalie Portman.
Huh? Did you even bother reading what was posted above? No, the 35 full body shots are not in addition to the 139 dance shots. There are about 35 FULL BODY shots in the movie, period. 23 are Sarah and 12 are Natalie. This is not my opinion. This comes directly from the Editor.
She's a natural.
I think the controversy mainly stems from the fact that the film claimed Natalie learned in months what real ballerinas spend their whole lives training to achieve
Here.s the thing tho...she never said that?
Her hard-work for this movie really paid off.