Gerber Strongarm Real vs Fake Counterfeit Knife
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- Опубліковано 26 бер 2019
- Also forgot to mention the legitimate knife weighed in at 7.2 oz while the fake weighed 6.8 oz.
I hope this one helps anyone trying to determine if their strongarm knife is fake or real
$50
Make ya holla
@@ballparkpeanutsify hey do you have a kershaw blur fake vs real. Bought a blur an it looked legit but i feel its a fake
@@ballparkpeanutsify my question is how do these fakes hold up compared to the real.
@@harryjohnson3617 very true you might get a fake one that holds up better than the real one it all depends on what who how it's made
@@snoopu2601 yea thats what i was thinking. Especially if the steel an material are thr same 🤷♂️
The guy who made the counterfeit be watching with a note pad figuring out what to fix in his production line😂
lmfao
Good?
I literally just got the Gerber strong-arm in the mail and came back to watch this video again to double check to see if it was fake. And right away I figured out that it was and now I’m pissed off but I feel like the person who made the fake definitely did fix some of the mistakes because there were a few different aspects on my fake than his.
After going to his browser, enabling live translations, and selecting _translate to: Mandarin Chinese._
@AmbuBadger Nah, most Chinese businessmen speak English! They probably got an engineering degree in the US! 😂
Thank you for taking the time to make this. It sucks getting ripped-off, but you've turned it into something better by trying to help others.
Thanks for watching
Just bought one off Amazon, and it's most likely a counterfeit. Shaving sharp, but with the edge that starts closer to the handle. Bubble wrap packaging, instructions on cheap paper, and the handle and sheath are clean like the original.
I'd love to see a durability test on the fake one and see if it's just as strong or not. I'm pretty sure it maybe isn't but still, want to see what it does and how much it can bear before chipping/cracking.
The one I bought has hardly been used and the black plastic bits on the top and bottom of the handle have had chips come off it, I suspect a fake one. But I watched this video as the store here has one and it looked different to mine so thought I’d check up
Imagine if it’s better than the original
Iv got 4 of them. There pretty good.
Only payed 12 bucks. It's not that big of a deal since half Gerber shit made in China too. Probly same people making them.
@@dougvuillemot8670 Yep, I have a black real one from a farm store, a black fake one off amazon, and off Temu/AliExpress I have 2 tans, 2 greens, one faded yellow? and 1 black $11.40 - $14.80 and 3 fake Prodigys with tanto blade $10.40 - 14.85 and 1 prodigy black regular blade $16.38 (was hard to find, just bought, not received yet). Ounce for ounce, dollar for dollar the fakes are the best knife out there. A few YT videos showing how hard it is to break them knowing they are fakes. Treated much worse than I'll ever do to them. I give away alot of knives but I'll keep these and modify a couple. this summer. The last ones have no Gerber name on them nor on sheath.
I just purchased one from a local pawn shop. I've done a lot of business with them and know them to be honest. Didn't even think about it being counterfeit. After watching this video, I'm satisfied that mine is authentic. Whew! Have been wanting a tactical knife for hiking, because I hike alone with my dog and was impressed with reviews about it's versatility. It's my first fixed blade knife. I'm very impressed with how well this knife fits my hand. Now I need to use it and get comfortable with it. Oh, and the price was only $40. Color me happy. Thanks for this video. ❤
Man, this popped up on my feed. I've never even questioned it. Watched your video. Mine is the exact box as yours. Paid the same as you did. Just a few dollars cheaper than online. Thought I had a deal. And bam. I bought the fake one. Soooooo pissed right now. Went straight to ebay. It's been well over a year. And they are doing nothing about it. Thank you for letting everyone know out there. That dealer is a dick for doing this to everyone!
I got a fake one as well, last year - ebay as well
How does the fake hold up
@@ulary never tested it properly, but actually it looks and feels very strong!
Lanu Nochit I cant speak for this knife, but my favorite knife I’ve ever owned was a $5.00 gerber from eBay. Used the thing every single day back in highschool working at a carwash and it never once made me wish I had a better blade. It held an edge like a mf and I still edc the thing 7 years later. Fake or not, that one’s my favorite.
@@ninjamalta Thank you sir,got one fake I knew it when I bought it but when conversion is done the fake I bought here can get you a 200 dollars knife.If I get the original I can buy a motorbike, just figure.
I buy all of my knifes, auto & fixed from Blade HQ. They do not sell fakes and have great service.
I agree. Blade HQ is the best. The Staff is really helpful and they have tons of knifes.
Yeah i have another Gerber from Blade Hq. I bought a Strongarm this morning from them. Can't wait until I get it!!
@@kaylbishop5688 Strongarm is a heck of a deal for the price.
@@StratBurst92 I agreed I was going to buy it from Academy but they didn't have it
Don't forget Blade Ops
Lol says "Portlamd, OR." Must be legit!
@Nonya Business .... PORTLAMD .... not portland ... right on the box.
@Nonya Business Look at the box, not the knife. I had to look again myself.
@@chrisbarcus3280It's even better when they make up Chinglish words, we could've had a Gerbil Strongleg knife made in Portlamb!
That's crazy! I've apparently had a fake for a year now! My mother naught it for my bday, so I didn't look into it. The only thing that made me suspicious was a small chip on the spine of the blade. Everything else was PERFECT, including the sharpness (easily cut through paper). I wanted to return it due to the chio, but my mother ordered it over a month before, so we couldn't (that time limit was in the seller's description). But I've loved this knife so much that I wanted to buy another one. I guess I'll be sure to get it from a recommended seller, especially since the other guy is no longer on Amazon. Lol.
I went through exactly the same situation!
Florida seller, no red flags etc.
Like you I contacted Gerber and sent pics of the knives and boxes. The Gerber rep told me that the box itself was proof of it being a fake.
He said he would look in to it and let me know what he found out. He never responded again after two or three more tries.
I contacted EBay and did receive a refund and was assured they would investigate.
These same sellers are still operating and have suffered no repercussions after nearly 2 years!
Wow. These guys are getting these knives from China for around 10 bucks, maybe less if they buy in bulk and flipping them for $50. Imagine of they sell 100 knives a month. Thats 4k profit!!
Real ones also come in a plastic clam shell packaging. I've seen them in stores like that. But wow I almost bought one on eBay myself and glad I didn't pull the trigger on it now.
Good info I did not know about the clam shell ones
I have bought several knifes from Ebay but always used condition. Feel like fewer fakers are selling as used. Never had an issue so far...
Just got my strongarm in and having no gerber before it to compare to, I was disappointed in the quality. I started having my doubts about authenticity. This video was suggested to me by YT and for once, am glad. My knife and sheath look just like the fake one you have. It didn't come with the box, so I couldn't compare. Thanks for the video! Now I've got to get my money back and get a real Strongarm...
Snaps being reversed is the first thing I noticed. Almost bought one on eBay, good thing I saw this video. Snaps were like the fake one. No idea they would sell fake knives.
Lol, I live in Asia. You can get fake ANYTHING
Thank you for all the time you took to show us all differences. I am sorry you had to experience being scammed out of your hard earned money.
Man i have to admit i was very nervous i had gotten a fake. I didnt keep the box mine came in but i remember it was the cardbord wraping in the box not the bubble wrap.
Thanks for showing us this.
Thanks for your information! Important.
really appreciate this video, i've been looking into getting myself one of these and never knew how common fakes are
I just received a StrongArm Serrated through Amazon
-Skinny box
-Handle looks more green than brown.
-Hole is off-center.
-Edge a bit sloppy.
-Box has a label : "Made in China." (!)
-Male snap is on the left.
-Weight (accurate scale): 7.65 oz. Heavier than it's supposed to be. (Also not good for a couple of reasons.)
-Length seems about right. 9.75" vs 9.8" per specs.
-Also, was not cheap. Basically full price.
-To top things off, the box was torn open, and badly scuffed (like a return.)
It's possible that Gerber has some products made overseas. But this one is supposed to be made in US. I just did what I should have done in the first place: Order from a certified Gerber dealer. Wow. Thanks for posting the video.
Thank you. Bought one online, and this gives me confidence it's authentic.
Good deal Douglas. Glad you could verify.
I purchased one from Amazon, from the Gerber store. It has the narrower box with emblem up in the corner… Like your fake one. ???
It’s fake. Other people had this problem.
Just got one for the equivalent of 13.5 USD and to be honest given that price this counterfeit I got is still insanely a good buy for that price given how worse the competition is. Even though its softer and lower quality in all material and production aspects, its still pretty cool to get a thick and hefty sharp out of the box knife like this with the very convenient versatile sheath.
Can't believe they sell it for $50 over there
For reference, the average chinesium folding knife people would carry in my area would all be about $10 and those are probably half the quality of this counterfeit gerber strongarm or even less
Nowadays the counterfeiting is now even better. Razor sharp out the box, the plastic injection moulding on the sheath is much better however the handle moulding is worse. Other than the ENORMOUS price gap and the nasty handle moulding in some areas, the only other sign would be the Made in Oregon text. Mine was made with a whacky non uniform font that looks horrendous and was printed out of square.
Also worth mentioning that the one i got has an insane notched saw blade section thats larger than usual and is still honestly well ground given the dirt cheap price its unbelievable sometimes.
Great video! I do hope that counterfeit knives wont be a liability to their users when quality is to be put to the test, specially to those who were tricked into buying fake ones..
Thank you. After watching your video, I cancelled my order from Amazon and went ordering from their website directly. I found out you can even customize and add laser text on the knife so I did that as well!
I bought a Gerber folding knife for $5.00 on eBay 7 years ago. Same story as this guy^ only difference is it’s the best damn knife I’ve ever owned. Used that thing working at a carwash in highschool every single day, no exaggeration. It was humid and just not a nice environment for tools, but it kept an edge like a mf and I still carry it today. Only con was when the belt clip broke off. $5.00, I don’t care if it was counterfeit or not, I love that knife. I’ve gathered some really nice alternatives since, kabar and some others, but I almost hate to admit that five buck piece is my favorite.
Thank you for the explanation, kind sir
Recently I purchased a Strongarm knife, I bought it from Dick's Sports store, and once I found this video I was following along trying to see what you mention. Thanks, this helps a lot.
Hi, what did you find? Is fake or original?
@@andresamorochor3378 I have an original knife, everything that an original knife it suppose to come with, was inside the packaging.
Thanks, I just bought that nice at Sportco last week and and very happy with the knife.
Yah I was wondering about those cheap prices for these. Who counterfeits a gerber knife 🙄🙄🙄
Who??? Freakin CHINA! they are counterfeiting every damn thing.
Chinaaaaaaaa
They counterfeit $10 Casio watches nowadays.
Bought my strongarm directly from Gerber. No confusion there...
Got my at the local outdoors store..it came in a plastic see through case..which i prefer cuz you can look at them and short out the best most center grind plus it makes it easy to look for defects and so on. ☺
I have 2 of these knives, bought both from Amazon. Aside from one of them having a slight blemish on the spine they both came in the box with the insert and paper work. So I'm relieved.
Counterfeit box also says "Portlamd, Oregon".
My knife says portland
There are other online shops which looks exactly like the real one and comes with the small box.
2020 now and they're 70-80 bucks now. Knew I should have got one a while ago
Same here but just got one today!
@LONE WOLF No they raised the price a few years ago after they realized they made a good knife
Blade HQ had them around $55 just a few days ago.
£95 uk
That’s why it’s a good idea to check the seller’s name on eBay and Amazon. I only purchase if those are from a knife store or Amazon itself
I'm having problems getting the sheath setup for vertical carry like you have there, mine dangles really low. Now sure how to do it the right way! :)
Interesting, I bought mine from sportsman's but it seems to combine elements from both. The sheath seems well done on the front and sloppy on the back
I bought today this knife from Norway shop XXL. Package is smaller like fake one, but knife is exactly the same like real one. Nice video thank you
Thanks for making this video man.
Dude, you had me scared thinking that mine I Bought off eBay for $50 also was a fake haha! Had to go find the box and all. Fortunately, all the differences on the real are on mine also. Down to the barcode sticker on the box bottom. Thanks for making this video.
I just ordered one and I hope I did not get the fake. Should be here Monday from Florida.
Bled Zepplin what did you get?
You should disclose scammers names though.
Which one is better? How big the difference in quality are when it comes to use?
Hey I have a quick question could it possibly be just a different year make and a different run that they made of that knife? And that's why it's a little bit different and also I once was going to purchase hey buck 119 special at Walmart and it came in that same shiny black cheap package box with bubble wrap and a paper inside just like the one you have there for the Gerber Strongarm so I'm thinking maybe the guy I bought it from Walmart used it for a while for maybe a year or so and then decided to sell it and that's why it's so worn looking besides you sharpening the crap out of it.? I also just bought myself a gerber Strongarm but it's the serrated version It's the only one they had available at the sporting goods store well they only had two available and they both are serrated so hide really no choice from serrated or unsaturated I would have picked Yonce rated version if they had it but they did not I also noticed that my coyote brown it is like the lighter one that you have there it has the diamond checkered hand grips just like the ones you have there on both knives and the stamping on the back my friend Travis bought two of them but he got lucky and got on serrated on both and his came with a black rubbery sheath on both but a more of an olive grab lizard skin Style hand grips and the lanyard hole is actually at the top knot in the middle but the knives both are very close and design of the blade are very close his drop point my drop point are very close but mine seems to be more pronounced that has my mind seems to be a little bit longer than that is just a tad bit but he says he's been using his four a lot of bushcrafting type of things and then also a lot of sharpening I keep it Sharp and ready to cut but like I said should there be that much of a difference between the serrated version and the unrated version also his I believe is a different year well mine is a 2021 I just got it yesterday his I believe it's probably a 2020 or 2019 run and also there is a grading stamp on there too if you know how to read the grading stamps I'll tell you the grade of Steel it is besides just being a grade of 420 high carbon steel so that's another thing for anybody looking to pick at anyting about which is important in some cases but really it's a tool you're going to use it you're going to use it and you're going to find it if it's a good knife or a bad knife when you're out in the field testing it if it fails it fails that's why we buy money that's why we have backups it maintains a sharp edge send great more power to you and also count yourself very fortunate that you got yourself a nice blade that maintains a sharp edge then it's less time on the stone or with a sharpening steel to touch it up after a bunch of use do it knife stuff out in the bush and doing what it was meant to do. And the beauty of the thing is it's totally customizable how you want to where at and what you want to add to the sheath even if it is a cheap Chinese knock-off that's very close it really doesn't matter what really matters is how it performs out in the field and if you paid $70 for it like me hopefully you got yourself a good deal on a knife that will last you a long time and serve many purposes which after looking at the sheath and the knife I ended up adding a nice lanyard made out of paracord and then ended up using a shoelace because it worked really well compared to trying to weave the Paracord around the sheath but I ended up using the those holes that are on each side and ended up Kris Kross patterning it down the sheath which it has three e x e s all the way down to the bottom where it meets by the drainage holes and then I tied it with a knot and then use the rest of the shoelace as tie so I can tie it on my inner leg what's cool about that is it locks anything that's in my pocket in a small portion of the pocket so if I have keys or something or lighter whatever he'll get locked in there and see if you're hiking there's less chance of you losing those items in case you like fall or something and also unsheathing the strong arm is a lot easier cuz it's tied to your leg vs just floating there which I found kind of difficult to unsheathe the blade so I found that to be really useful band-aid and unsheathing it and especially any I need to get to my knife in a fast way scenario it will come in handy in the future and last but not least I did check last night to see if it would actually work I added a firesteel to it I got for $5 at Farm & Fleet they also have there at the sporting good store for about the same price I put that on the 2nd X and it seemed to work really great and hold in place really well and also tied to Little Thai around the shoe laces while so if it's bouncing rifle chance to be getting Louis and falling off so I have the option to start fire with it and it seemed the spark really good nice it through a really nice parks using that really kind of sharp beefy spine it really works really great going to try to test it tonight and see if I can actually start a fire with it after doing some feather sticking I'm making a little bird's made of probably dried leaves pine needles and then some dried Pine shavings going to give her a spark and see if she ignites so I plan on using this knife and using it. As it was intended and then some so all in all even if they do differ a little bit don't knock them until you actually take them out and try them I said that one that has a kind of shiny box you're thinking it's a knockoff maybe the kid just bought it at Walmart but that's how they all come at Walmart hell mine came in a clear plastic thing with the display of course it was displayed on the display shelf in a clear plastic container with a bunch of stacks on it so I don't know does that knock the validation ads real or not I think the kid probably just bought it at Walmart like I said when I was looking at the buck 119 I was not impressed with the way it was presented it looked terrible. Like the one that's in the display case that they had all shined up and looking beautiful but like I said he probably bought it at Walmart and then put it on eBay or whatever I guess you just don't know until you actually take it out in the field and try it and see if it performs hope you all have a great day and hope you give this what I said some thought and consider that all knives art create a decoy I mean some years they changed just a little bit but it doesn't mean that you have a garbage knife just because it came in a crappy package it's all about how it actually performs have a great day y'all God bless stay safe out there and keep your knives Sharp. Mark B from Northern Illinois
Have you tried an edge retention test? Or simply gently touch the two knives together edge to edge and put a little pressure to it untill one knife edge gets a little nick/ indent. You can easily sharpen it back out but will give you a quick idea which blade is heat treated better, I'm curious to know if they used a cheap crappy Steel for the counterfeit and if the real knife is of a better steel quality.
Got mine for under 50$ on Blade HQ. I really don't get how they always manage to have good knife of sale for like 25% off an higher
Very interesting. But also interesting to see the ricasso was smaller on the fake despite less of plunge where the bevel start. Smaller ricasso usually makes the knife more usable. Otherwise the original should of course be better.
Thanks for the heads up. I was juuust about to buy on ebay. The steel quality cannot be as good.
Thanks for this. Really helped me know I got a real one. Also noticed the tip of the knife on the back side starts of sharper for longer than the real one. And the fake box look like it had fiskars while the real box did not. I don’t know much about the two company names but does Gerber also make fiskars or are those two different companies? Just asking for my own knowledge. Thanks
I've been wanting to get one for years but I'm not sure if the dealers in my country are trustworthy because they sell both fake and real Garber knives until I stumbled across your vid today.
Thanks a lot for very honest and very informative video. You've got a new subscriber.
Ps. Sorry for my english.
Thank you Tangie. Glad it is helpful!
I just bought a Gerber Strongarm and paid like $80.00 bucks for it. I absolutely love it!
Thanks for the shared information!
Bought mine straight from Gerber.
A precious information. Thanks for this video.. God bless you.
Thank you my friend
Buy knives on OFFICIAL site... from the SHOP and not from People
yep
Agreed, unless you are knowledgeable about the knife you are buying and can see it and handle it in person before buying.
Exactly what I said!! unless of course you don't care. Myself personally wouldn't pay more than 50$ for any knife & I have lots of quality blades. It's usually cheaper for a reason! I always research if any doubt!
I'd like to but they only deliver to USA... so stupid.
If you want to pay double for the same thing, sure.
Thank you for the video. I too Have apparently fallen into the same trap but on Amazon. I purchased a strong arm directly from Gerber so as I can directly see the difference. Doing Gods work 👍🏼 take care and Have A Knife Day.
Just got mine direct from gerber uk my box is the same size as yours but there's a picture of the strongarm and info on the front its a genuine gerber insert is the same the knife checks out its a great knife.
So The original gerber only knife comes in both box and blister packaging but the original gerber BG comes only in blister packaging?
Subscribed - Notification Bell Activated! I'm literally about to order this knife - thanks for the heads up.
Very good material, thanks I link this in my Polish rev of this knife:)
Thanks! Looking at a pre owned (but NIB) today.
What if you had 2 real one side by side comparison? And they are slightly different? Because if the year it was made.
It says Fiskars right on the back of the fake box. They are a big manufacturer in, I think, Sweden. It may be that they are a licensed distributor for Gerber. So it may not actually be fake.
Thank you very much that is the very knife I was going to get next I own several Gerber collector types r
my favorite thanks again very helpful !!!😁
I just received one of these, in black, from Amazon today that was fake. Other than not being tan, it looked just like the one on your left. The price was just under $50 too. It is going back. Thanks for helping me confirm my suspicions!
Could it possibly be a factory second? If it's a fake they did a damn good job really.
China knock off for sure. Thanks for watching.
Not sure if this was commented on before, but the counterfeit box had the FISKARS parent company name on it at time ~3:20. The genuine one lacks that. However, they also have different dates with the fake box having an older date.
Interesting video though! Thanks for sharing!
I bought my first one from gerber, my second one on eBay. I knew something was wrong when the eBay knife had an inch less oal.
Fortunately eBay refunded me and closed the sellers account.
Man I'll be honest, it seems more likely that this knife was maybe set aside by QC as opposed to being a total fake.
You should put this seller on blast to protect other ebay buyers!
What about the blade on the fake? Any way to tell what kind of steel used? no way to confirm HC steel?
They got me too..... I wish I would've paid attention to this video before purchasing. Never ever again. But I will be giving that seller a sheety review.
They also got me
@@peterv1318 I'm telling you man. I feel like that kid on the basketball court with fake Jordans.
Got me worried just bought a $70 one off of amazon but do they both work??
Thanks for filming
How does is cut? How does it hold up after usage? Does it hold a n edge? Thats what we should be examining here.
It’s funny how the game fixes one of the things I don’t like about mine, the sharpened edge comes down further lol! How’s the steel?
Thank you good review on my amazon account and I couldn’t tell if mine was real or fake but this helped me find that mine was real thank you.
Mine broke the second time i tried to use it to cut wood - do u think i got the fake one? It was a lot cheaper than on Amazon etc but i assumed it was just a bargain ($10)
Back of the box on the fake one says "Portlamd Oregon"
Thank you for info.
For the price on Amazon which I found to be $2.00 dollars less than Gerber, I just went with Gerber. Even if it was $10.00 less. My thoughts are that Amazon is a companies way of selling off 2nd or 3rd quality runs that don't make it into their official store inventory.
Nahh I've had three Strongarms and a couple Prodigy's all through Amazon direct Prime and they all were excellent. Its Ebay and personal sellers, if ya buy a knife from Amazon only buy from their warehouse and EBay only licensed dealers. If ya really look at this fake one its obvious to me cause I've had many of Gerber's knives but some folks have no idea. Makes me wonder if some of the bad comment on quality issues is do to them buying these fake pieces of crap.
Good review, but how about steel? Is they have a different?
The bottom of the grip is different on each too.the real one has deeper grooves than the fake.
The funniest thing to me is the packaging of the bootleg saying it's made in "Portlamd, Oregon"
What would you expect it to say made in China?😂... Wait till you buy a $3,000 chiibson Les Paul and then you won't be worrying about a $50 Chinese knife😂...
@@samward9641 No the funny thing was that they misspelled Portland
Thankyou for this video, good thing im going to buy mine from the actual Gerber website
This really scared me when I came across it *after* I bought my Strongarm, but based on everything in the video, I think I'm good, except my box was in the shape of the fake one, with more information on it.
what is the difference in the edge retention?
Thank you for the education
I was watching reviews on the Strongarm Knife and this one popped up. I went ahead watched it and listened to everything you said three or four times. I then went got my Strongarm to compare it and I bought a fake. I have reported it to eBay and waiting for answer on what to do. Everything wrong with yours was wrong with mine. Makes me feel like a fool for being taken in. The seller is in CT Clubber something. I got mine on 14th of February 2022 took me six days to figure it out. Thanks for your help with your video.
But what about knife performance? Does the fake do what the original does?
How good does it hold the edge and is it full tang
Now I know why this great deal brand new Strongarm I just got on ebay has absolutely no blade retention in the sheath.
Yes thats a fake if it doesn’t fit tight. I just got a fake.
Thanks for sharing the information ❤️✌️🤝
I had the misfortune of buying a fake Spyderco on eBay a couple years ago. I reported the seller multiple times in an effort to save others from getting ripped off, but eBay took their time removing the guy.
Plot twist, the right one is the fake and the left one is the real. And you paid more for the fake... WHAT???
I have a very early Strongarm from right after they released it. I can tell you the lanyard hole isn't a steong indicator, nor is it being sharp from Gerber. Mine was not what I'd call sharp. After i put it on my wicked edge it reached it's full potential though. I double checked my box and it's the right same as your real Gerber. I just find it hard to believe someone would go through so much trouble to KO a 50 dollar knife. Hell, when it was new I think I paid 42 before it became popular. I winder if someone was sneaking out factory rejects or something.
Me thinking I bought a fake knife at first then remembering I almost cut my finger off because it was so sharp
lol got dammit... i just bought one ... it even has he exact same serial number on the blade... it costed me like 50 dlls... im really wondering if it's worth keeping for the price ... considering its my first knife... or if i should just return it... any advice??
Return it for a full refund and spend 5 bucks more for the real thing.
How does the counter fit perform?
Damn it! My strong arms case has those kind of plastic joiners or rivets in the plastic! Is it a fake???
thank goodness I bought mine directly from Gerber