I’ll tell you right now, I have segmented my applications entire backend and web architecture into workers and pages. Even the database is running in Cloudflare. Workers are insanely capable, they’re fast and they’re cost effective. Oh, and they never fall over. Cloudflare 1000% > Vercel IMO.
well considering Next.js Cloudflare is not a real alternative, I hit a wall after using server actions and middleware where Cloudflare kept asking me to run every single page on the edge, and then once I did that I hit the limit for edge functions bundle so I was forced to go back to Vercel. It is good for smaller projects I guess, in case of Next.js. Btw I don't fully understand what caused it to ask me to add edge everywhere, beacuse it was not happening before, my guess is server actions or middleware...idk
Yeah that's a tough one. I'll admit Next.js and Cloudflare aren't a great match for the bundling concerns you mentioned. There also isn't a roadmap to access the cloudflare runtime from your Next.js dev server. Cloudflare is betting on tools that use Vite, which would be Astro, Remix, Nuxt, and SvelteKit. It's a lot to ask people to try new frameworks! But as an Astro enthusiast, I'd say it's worth it.
Queues and event driven architecture = Inngest. I use NextJS, Vercel, Supabase (Postgres+Prisma), Upstash and Inngest. I was hard core deep into 100+ resources in AWS/Terraform before.
I went the other way around, from a cloudflare to vercel, the main reason was I cannot connect custom domains to pages programmatically you can only do that after you create a new domain asset and transfer its nameservers there, where in vercel, it just works Thanks for the video
... I still don't even know why people want the cloud for most projects. It's slow to develop for, and just generally slow (maybe they solved edge db replication stuff over the last few years, which would help) ... and for some reason, also expensive at any real scale.
Do you have a newsletter or anything else where you do longer in depth content? Just stumbled upon your youtube and it's great but the focus seems to be on youtube shorts
@@bholmesdev You're that swe that quickly ramped up at faang right? A video or a blog post on how you did that from a technical perspective would be great. Really like your content, I subscribed Edit: I think I may have confused you with another dev but still you're clearly knowledgeable so what I said still stands lol
I don’t think, I am a “Vercel Stan” I just couldn’t find a worthy alternative, tbh all these alternatives are similar to switching to Firefox for no good reason other than being different
Yes! This is been on my mind for so long, but I got to admit I’ve been on auto pilot following the good DX and what seems popular and works for me. Especially when working on projects that need to be handed over to clients, cloud flower seems to make a lot more sense than the alternatives which are clearly meant for internal teams
D1 and R2 are unfortunately not actually distributed yet like you mention in your video. Super easy to accidentally think they are… only thing I don’t like about Cloudflare’s platform is this misleading marketing…
cloudflare is amazing - I just deployed a full stack Astro + solid front end with Hono backend and uses r2 for storage and it will cost $0 until people use it. The way it’s supposed to be.
CF has been a revelation since I started using it to build a remix site, but not being able to connect to the KV store etc. in development is a real drag.
Imagine if cloudflare forked next.js or created their opiniated web framework that equals or surpasses the DX of next.js. That would be the end of vercel. Not sure why they don't do it?
This channel is criminally underrated.
nah
Agreed. Is he the GenZ Theo?
People don’t know Ben, which means they don’t know Astro still. What a sad world 😢
Criminal as in stealing one of most popular Ben Awad's video thumbnail?
Don't let Theo see this...
Theo is a jr dev with who has followers because they are up and coming devs that don't know any better.
Damn im less skilled than a jr dev @@1015AK
@@1015AKlmfao for real, some of these "coding influencers" make it waaaaay too obvious they're just influencers.
Pretty sure that guy is being paid by Vercel on the side
workerdeez
YOU'RE LEAVING THE COMME
Gottem’
Nuts
nutttttz
@@bholmesdev nice one, I liked you vscode theme what is please?
Cloudflare is definitely climbing the list of my go-to deployment providers.
can't lie, you look and feel like a teenage Linus from LinusTechTips, who was basically a teenager as well until he started growing a beard.
You're a walking ad for Astro. The best one can imagine.
🤣
Cloudflare is my best kept secret. You are about to ruin it for me. They're so hugely underrated.
It's like that one band you heard at the bar before they blew up. Except Cloudflare keeps putting out HITS
The humor of this video is on point
'WorkerDeezNu...' Laughed out Loud, would subscribe again.
It’s a great strategy to get engagement. The explainer was fantastic though
BRAZIL MENTIONED
Dude, please make more content. This was fantastic.
I’ll tell you right now, I have segmented my applications entire backend and web architecture into workers and pages. Even the database is running in Cloudflare. Workers are insanely capable, they’re fast and they’re cost effective.
Oh, and they never fall over.
Cloudflare 1000% > Vercel IMO.
Nice, glad you're checking out Cloudflare databases too!
well considering Next.js Cloudflare is not a real alternative, I hit a wall after using server actions and middleware where Cloudflare kept asking me to run every single page on the edge, and then once I did that I hit the limit for edge functions bundle so I was forced to go back to Vercel. It is good for smaller projects I guess, in case of Next.js. Btw I don't fully understand what caused it to ask me to add edge everywhere, beacuse it was not happening before, my guess is server actions or middleware...idk
Yeah that's a tough one. I'll admit Next.js and Cloudflare aren't a great match for the bundling concerns you mentioned. There also isn't a roadmap to access the cloudflare runtime from your Next.js dev server. Cloudflare is betting on tools that use Vite, which would be Astro, Remix, Nuxt, and SvelteKit. It's a lot to ask people to try new frameworks! But as an Astro enthusiast, I'd say it's worth it.
I fucking worship astro, and now i need more, moooreeee
great vid. Packed full of eastereggs, especially the email one was hilarious.
PS: workerdeez nuts!
you need to grow mustache. or at least get the fake one.
😂
that Trader Joe's analogy was so good I started clapping, I know for a fact that epiphany at 2am where you came up with that was delicious
My man your channel is probably the best of its kind
The blocker is always just code compatibility.
Queues and event driven architecture = Inngest.
I use NextJS, Vercel, Supabase (Postgres+Prisma), Upstash and Inngest.
I was hard core deep into 100+ resources in AWS/Terraform before.
might just move to cloudflare after this haha
I went the other way around, from a cloudflare to vercel, the main reason was I cannot connect custom domains to pages programmatically you can only do that after you create a new domain asset and transfer its nameservers there, where in vercel, it just works
Thanks for the video
Convinced me enough to buy Cloudflare shares.
Now we wait for that passive aggressive Leerob article
... I still don't even know why people want the cloud for most projects. It's slow to develop for, and just generally slow (maybe they solved edge db replication stuff over the last few years, which would help) ... and for some reason, also expensive at any real scale.
Brazil mentioned.
And workerdeeznuts.
Do you have a newsletter or anything else where you do longer in depth content? Just stumbled upon your youtube and it's great but the focus seems to be on youtube shorts
Ah, I don’t but it’s an idea! Want to produce more long content as well but once every 1-2 months is my best case with the level of editing
@@bholmesdev You're that swe that quickly ramped up at faang right? A video or a blog post on how you did that from a technical perspective would be great. Really like your content, I subscribed
Edit: I think I may have confused you with another dev but still you're clearly knowledgeable so what I said still stands lol
ben you're too funny
and right most of the time
love it
I never worked with Vercel, only know it by name. I watched the whole video because your presentation style is so great. A job well done 👏
chadflare
I’ve been a CloudFlare Stan for 5+ years. So happy it’s being recognized.
brazil mentioned!
I don’t think, I am a “Vercel Stan” I just couldn’t find a worthy alternative, tbh all these alternatives are similar to switching to Firefox for no good reason other than being different
Instant sub after these first 2 minutes, nice vid !
Doesn’t the of dev parity makes this an immediate no for most enterprise high stakes use cases?
Yes! This is been on my mind for so long, but I got to admit I’ve been on auto pilot following the good DX and what seems popular and works for me.
Especially when working on projects that need to be handed over to clients, cloud flower seems to make a lot more sense than the alternatives which are clearly meant for internal teams
You should do a part 2 on SST Ion - you can deploy SST apps to cloudflare now
Woah didn't know that
BRAZIL MENTIONED
for me, cloudflare and deno deploy are the future!
Genius. And I’m in full agreement on this direction as well
This thumbnail is out of this world
your content is amazing dude. didn't think your energy on stream could be topped, but i was clearly wrong. keep it up!
Based Arc browser user 💯 I can't go back
What is the theme you are using for vscode and terminal👀
workerDEEEEEEZ!!
I'm sorry
Cloudflare fanboy here, subbed
good job Ben
LOLOL..."chicken nuggets of code"...😆
this is some real stuff
This is a good one. 👏
D1 and R2 are unfortunately not actually distributed yet like you mention in your video. Super easy to accidentally think they are… only thing I don’t like about Cloudflare’s platform is this misleading marketing…
cloudflare is amazing - I just deployed a full stack Astro + solid front end with Hono backend and uses r2 for storage and it will cost $0 until people use it. The way it’s supposed to be.
womp womp
nice worker dude, please keep deez coming
Next JS is like Kosher Organic Dark Chocolate Coffee Buzz Bar.
What about SST? Love to see how to leverage SST with Cloudflair to really move out of Vercel forever
Ben I follow you on twitter and usually just see your shorts. This video is hilarious and amazing, well done
CF has been a revelation since I started using it to build a remix site, but not being able to connect to the KV store etc. in development is a real drag.
That intro alone made sub 😂
lol, out of our backend
You're a 10x Developer
the nakeyjakey of dev
The highest compliment 🙇♂️
Great video
Heck, even vercel Nextjs, which is ReactJs 😅😅😅
Is it written somewhere that all Ben's need to hold a microphone?
Brazil mentioned
No video has ever made me follow an account this fast LoL
Has someone told you, that you resemble Tom Holland
underrated af
The American visitor was on point
South Americans catching strays 😅
I use it all the time. Only positive experiences
workerdeez n
Can you please tell me what font and theme you use on vscode?
monolisa.dev
marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=astro-build.houston
Imagine if cloudflare forked next.js or created their opiniated web framework that equals or surpasses the DX of next.js. That would be the end of vercel. Not sure why they don't do it?
Please not another Js web framework 😅
Just use Remix instead of the Next nonsense
What’s you vs code config?? It looks cool. Take this 🍻
marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=astro-build.houston
Dude you're an animal in a good way.
2:36 BRAZIL MENTIONED LET'S GO 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
next.js is definitely overrated, you’ve just described it as it is one piece at a time and package them all.
D1 Database for the win.
This kid will go far.
If you needed a regular server, like Express, does Cloudflare have anything for that?
Hono + cloudflare workers
@@ParajulibkrmHono + Pages for API instead
Earned my subscribe!
need to give this a try, thx
That was refreshing and good content at the same time.
kind of new format, nice
I don't trust like that
This was fantastic. Subscribed.
cloudflare >
SUBSCRIBEDDDDDDD
One of my favorite creators ❤
Gotta boost this man
Well done!
The Astro Cloudflare adapter was just batched with some bug fixes and hybrid mode seems to be working correctly now 🤞
Not SSR mode though
@@danfascia really? Because I am using it in Hybrid mode, and I is working
@@TerryDellino it works, but the environment variable importing has gone really messed up in a recent version
yo
yo
Yoooo
Bullshit
I know right? I was shocked too at how good the video was. I was like nah son this ain’t real.
Let's go Cloudflare!
Ben has Guts
Vercel can’t compete with azure and aws. Vercel at this stage is cancer cell with react
Vercel makes sense only if you are using NextJS.