Faking School Grades has ruined the school system | Thomas Sowell
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The "no child left behind" policy certainly didn't (or doesn't) help the problem. One teacher i knew was threatened with loss of her job if she flunked anyone.
True. Because students HAVE to graduate before they are 22 (21? I don't remember which). You can only keep students back so many times. We should never have had a federal department of education.
Kids have no incentive to learn anything. They know they will get passed at the end of the year no matter what.
Another teacher got fired for giving zeroes to students who did no work. She was required to give a minimum 50.
No student left behind. Looks like they sent all the students back to join him.
@@PhilJonesIIIthat's what my mom, who worked in a school called it. No Child Left Behind, every child held back.
It's a shame we couldn't have elected this man president in 2008 rather than 0bama.
Who do you believe is responsible for this administration? This is obama’s third term! The start of the “Affordable Care Act “ was just the beginning of their “socialist agenda!”
Amen to that. He is a National Treasure who will not be appreciated by many until he is gone. 🤦♀️🫶
Or any other election year .
Was he running?
I learned more from this man’s interviews than I did in earning my B.S., Business and MBA.
Educators are keeping their administrators happy. They did it to the detriment of their students.. The students suffer through their entire lives, mediocracy becomes the norm, while redundancy becomes the practice.
The theory was that kid's egos could not withstand being graded by society. So, educators wanted to stop grading. Problem was, and still is, we have no real way of telling how much kids learned versus their peers. Is that Important? Sure. Just look at UA-cam comments by people who believe they are geniuses but can hardly make understandable sentences. As you grow up, if you know where you stand in comparison to others, you can try harder and work harder to get actually as smart, or smarter, than others. If you only have your own lying ego telling you how wonderful you are, you believe the lies coming out of your own mouth. That is not reality and worse, you will never understand the need to improve yourself. And eventually you pay a pretty harsh price for your delusions.
And so we got the millenial generation..
We've replaced competence with credentialism. The dumb people think a grade makes them smart and that a counterfeit grade is just as good.
Grade inflation in public high schools is as rampant as steroid use in pro MMA.
Dr. Sowell is one of, if not the greatest mind in American history. God bless you, Sir.
I have had administrators come to me, and want me to raise grades for a student,
When I refused, they altered the permanent record to reflect that higher grade, even though
my grade book was absolutely clear as to the final grade.
Since I photocopy all my grade books, I have absolute proof.
Since I teach mostly STEM subjects, these changes are being made to allow these students entry into universities, like the one I graduated from, that demand very high academic standards and ability to preform.
These administrators surely did not do my students any favor by raising their grades, as I never knew of one who actually graduated from my university. All were forced out on academic probation, never to return.
Dr. Sowell, is absolutely correct.
Feeling have no place in STEM.
When you start having feelings in engineering, bridges collapse, and power grids fail.
Facts matter most when lives depend on accuracy of information.
Tim
I agree that it is taking place for what the left calls equity, but in truth, it does more harm than good.
Rather than spending the time, money, and effort it would take to make changes within struggling communities, they lower the standards.
From a talking point, the political hacks (aka Democrats) will show proof of the great things they’ve done for unrepresented minorities.
In truth, they set them up for failure (college dropouts with more debt), sending them back to their community with no degree or working skills to stay employed.
The cycle of poverty and promises will continue, and the communities will degrade further.
This is what is referred to as the Democrat plantation.
In reality, public schools are not there to educate anyone; they are there to coddle children's feelings.
Administrators changing grades is much more prevalent than most people believe.
Can you imagine he’s talking about this in 1993 and the U.S. has only become worse in this regard over 30 years later. We now see in real time 8-9 year olds making decisions on their sexuality and gender. Dr. Sowell was ahead of the time.
And they were marched into the streets for the cause.
When I started school in 1966, an "A" was 96-100. A few years later, it was 94-100, then 93-100, then 91-100. A "D" low-point was 75, then 70.
The acceptable dumbing down of America! Then being uneducated people accept whatever they are told!
In my opinion, numerical scores have never been all that reliable, because in addition to student competency, they also depend on how hard the test is.
It’s not just the grade slide.
In 2000 they took 50 honor role students and gave them 1950 final exams. The kids had a month to prepare (remember they had just written the 2000 finals) most of them failed the exams, and not one of them got an A
When I went back to college to get a business degree I was shocked at how easy it was to get a straight A average.
Yep. Try being a POC female. I skipped a final because I was “screw it, I’m going to have to repeat, I’m lost in this course.”
They passed me. I didn’t even write the final and they passed me! I kind of lost the drive to complete my degree after that.
RE" Alienate the child from the parent " YUP more people see that now .. but this was *DECADES AGO*
Sowell is a national treasure.
Public education has been the biggest waste of money in American history.
I can attest to this. I barely studied in university and received my bachelors with a 3.0 from a fully accredited accounting program in 2010. One of the "hardest" undergraduate accounting programs in the midwest.
Is this why we ended up with so many narcissists?
Ignorance is bliss! Too whom?!
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I would say yes. Because understanding the feelings of others is actually a very difficult and time consuming tasks. So when you teach a generation that feelings are of the upmost importance, they really just figure out how they are feeling at the moment and fail to ever engage with their opposition.
"They don't seem to be enrolling in my course." Ha ha ha. Nice.
100% on target!!
I watched a UA-cam video where high school kids were interviewed in a 1963 documentary. The kids were incredibly articulate and had well thought out answers. They were not hand picked. They were typical.
What makes Dr. Sowell special, besides his high level of intelligence, is his full load of common sense, which girds the application of his intelligence to any issues he addresses.
They do not wish for critical thinkers they only wish to manufacture parrots parrots parrots
Indoctrinated Marxism.
You´re a gem, Dr. Sowell.
Indeed I don´t understand how they want to build a nation on lies.! It is going to sour badly , in my opinion.
so insightful and prescient in terms of where we are today
I was thinking about this this morning. It's so evident! Kids need to learn the three R's.
thomas sowell is a fantastic person to hear speak
Have to keep the teacher unions donations coming
I wouldn't blame this on teacher's unions. Teacher's unions protect good teachers from the political influence of bad parents who try to retaliate against those teachers for holding their disrespectful lazy kids accountable for failing. It is the culture that caused this. The culture of victimhood that has permeated our public school society.
I always knew there was something off about using the term ‘teachers are heroes’ so loosely.
It started to go wrong when grading became relative to group performance.
Eventually the A's tell a silent story of persistent decline.
Thank you again and again, Mr. Sowell.
Remember that Sowell served in the Marine Corp during the Korean War 5:00
No child left behind..... I couldn't read until i was about 17½.... My English teacher was also my creative writing teacher and he was also the head of the English/literature department...
Not being able to read (my reading was at a first to third grade reading level and my reading comprehension was at barley a first grade reading level) ripples out to every other subject. I was in a fatal head on collision in first grade and suffered a, untreated TBI, on top of immense trauma from the entire event as well as the death of my biological mother almost one month before the accident (I'm adopted. It was an open adoption so i saw. My biological mother and siblings regularly from birth. My biological siblings were in the accident with me and my adopted family and they were paralyzed and ripped out of my life. I was forbidden to have contact with them. So that was more than a seven year old was able to mentally handle while also dealing with a untreated TBI)... I remember returning to school and wanting to cry because i used to be able to do the work, was always the first one done was ahead of my class and when i returned to school the entire class was finished while i couldn't comprehend the first question... I quit trying to pay attention after that and spent the school day day dreaming about getting to see my siblings again...
I was supposed to have an IEP but never had any help like my parents thought i was getting.
My junior year, the end of the year, my English teacher approached me and asked me if i had any extra help that year. I said no. He asked what i had done differently because, as an educator for over 25 years, he had never seen any one student make such a massive improvement in less than a nine month period. He said my test scores and class work went from well below grade level to college level.
I've done a lot of thinking about this over the years... The beginning of the year in my creative writing class, which, my English teacher taught, he played a self hypnosis tape to help us Open up our creativity... We were also required to keep a journal that he would check, but wouldn't read... That journal was glued to my side and i wrote in it so much, that everyone thought i was writing about them... That's literally. The only thing i did different.
After i graduated, my test scores and iq scores gave continued to rise (i am given tests by shrinks and take college placement tests from time to time)... What I've done to improve my spelling was, instead of phonics, if assumed text didn't produce the word i was trying to spell, I'd keep trying to sound it out, for thirty minutes. If i couldn't figure it out by then, I'd go to google find the correct spelling, and write it on my hand in sharpie and it would stay there until i could spell the word correctly...
I refuse to go to college. I don't last longer than a couple weeks when i try to go. I am an autodidact... I've done more for myself than school ever did. I'd argue that school provided a disservice to me and only helped to push me back and keep me stagnate.
Despite my inability to read though, I've always hated the traditional expectations of turning everyone into cogs... Education was taken over and everyone has been purposely dumbed down, and have received Bolshevik ideological subversion. I missed the indoctrination in school only because i was disossociating and the more i watched my classmates turn into robits (i know i didn't spell robot correctly) the more i rejected the subversion tacticts and indoctrination...
I like how she has notes in front of her, a computer monitor, all sorts of gear and research but when it comes down to asking a question she's paraphrasing the source text to death. "In your book you wrote something about like maybe sort of along the lines like like." It's a wonder the man was able to figure out what part of the text she wanted to talk about.
It’s sad that this point is still so true.
I could listen to this man all day. So much intelligence and logic in his arguments. Shame the left does not embrace his logic and reasoning.
In 1966 it seemed all I ever got was C’s. He is so right! When I went to college I was determined. Graduated Masters with honors. I was hungry to excel. This gentleman is such a prize.
Teachers today can not give a grade less than 50, even if they did no work.
Last year they said Chicago students achieved grades never seen before…..😂😂😂😂
Teachers should be treated like the “professionals” they claim to be. Pay them and up their salaries based on how well their students do on centralized test scores. No Union guaranteed increases.
Then the teachers just teach their students to pass the standardized tests.. Students with advanced abilities or students with special needs are looked past and the education system suffers!
What’s your solution? Mine is better than what we have now. If you have a better one….let me know.
Democruds lack math skills. Could we knock down those trillion$ of debt if biden stopped giving 10,000$ per head per month to illegal invaders? yeah!
@@bnz300Not so. A good design rewards the entire school and the individual teacher. That results in not only the subject teacher improving math and language skills, but also art, music, physical education, and others incorporating math, reading, writing and other tested skills into their classes. Making all students stronger. Advanced students are not ignored because they are a free upgrade that raises the average score. Students with needs are not part of the same evaluation. They have a separate metric to evaluate them so the results for them matter too. I know. I worked in this type of system.
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I hear you. All too often government workers aren't subject to the same standards as the public.
But what are the materials a pipe fitter works with? His or her supply sells them pipes for a certain amount of money and the pipes are of such and such quality. If the fitter finds the pipes to be below standard they are rejected. Those pipes get sent back to the supplier and the money is either refunded or new pipes are sent.
But what happens to the inferior pipes? They're either passed off to another pipe fitter who might use them or they're recycled.
Never is the quality of the labor of the pipe fitter dependent upon the IQ of the pipe, never is the quality of the labor dependent on the pipe doing homework, never is the quality of the labor dependent on parental support of the pipe.
When a "parcel" mover moves parcels, she/he is not dependent on the culture of the parcel and whether that parcel grew up in a home that values education, hardwork, and delayed gratification. Never is United Parcel Service dependent on the IQ of the parcel being shipped.
A project manager directing the construction of a hotel can drug test and permanently fire a worker who behaves oddlat the worksite. The manager can meet with the project owner and ask for more money to offer overtime.
Teachers can't select students by their IQ. Teachers can't select students by their culture for hardwork, delayed gratification, and parental support. Teachers can't send poor performing students to be melted down and turned into Soylent green. Teachers can barely expel students who are disruptive and violent dangers to other students and themselves.
America's schools will not be "fixed" by putting even more pressure on teachers.
The students he is talking about are now our leaders
Sowell does some MAJOR Detailed Research
Grade inflation is endemic.
Sadly, today's youths do not,and will not listen to or believe this man and his facts ...
Thought/opinion is valuable..(emotions Can be), however to think critically upon problems/situations, logic, critical thinking is a must, lest emotions overule and corrupt the results..
Lots of people complaining about DEI in the comments. How many know what that is and realize their complaint is exactly about it?
I know exactly what it is and what people claim it is not.
If only schools could get more funding and teachers could be paid more . . . Bwahahahahaaaha
Worked out great with LeBron's iPromise, right? 🤣🤣🤣
This has been going on for a very long time! This is not anything new. When I was in college in the early 1980s, affirmative action, students had flooded my school. Every single one of them was given a passing grade, whether they attended school or not. They were at this university in Ohio on full scholarships, everything paid including books. I often thought about how all these students would have the very same degree that I had, even though they had done none of the learning. These are the people in the workforce today. At best they are people who did many short cuts to get through, and at worst they are totally unqualified to hold the jobs they are got degrees for.
That said, grades do not tell the whole story. I know many people from difficult childhood backgrounds, who did not perform well in school, or at the university level, who were very smart, competent, and did very well as adults.
In summary Dr Sowell is referring to present day students as narcissists.
I had straight A's in Chicago public schools. I did everything the teachers assigned. My ACT score was a measly 18. I retook the ACT test and got a 17. Pffft. My childhood was a lie. I was told I was smart and in reality I was just a try hard. They never taught at the right pace. We spent too much time on every chapter and barely covered everything that was supposed to be covered.
Money's not the only thing that suffers from inflation.
And that was 1993.
"If blah blah learn by rote blah blah." False choice. Please understand the topic before blathering on.
I love how Sowell's response is laughter.
Bell curve
No offense, but I would not sign up for Thomas Sowell's class either. Love listening to him, but I know I would fail.
Wait...HUH?! Even the....Now I am wondering if getting the pHd these days are worth a try
Don’t worry it looks like you already have one. Spelling isn’t a requirement!
Sowell s a reat thiner.
Dang. Diane Rehm must be old!!
But she’s still six years younger than TS.
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Omg 😳 listen to the stupid question from this woman 🤦♂️ note : most teachers and admin are now women 🙄
When is this video from
1st, 15 March 2024
You make us all proud.
Just wait until you get a whole new class of graduates that can't read or do math but yet got it A's now they're going to be in college and they're going to expect that to continue everywhere and either the college will give them perfect grades or they'll just never make it but once they get out in the real world they'll never make it they're just setting these people up for failure
act/sat?
Just think of the “ unqualified” graduating in medical schools!
Getting into the "real world" may not be much different by then. Even now, many companies assume that anyone with, say, an engineering degree is competent, so they choose to hire based on other factors.
College has been dealing with this for at least 20 years.
@cankhovich1796 does that even matter? i have worked hard and put myself through college and Never took an act nor sat test. i have a bachelor's in business. those tests are a grift.
My grandson’s GPA was 4.4583 for 09, 10, 11, and 12. This exact number for all 4 grades. Is that very likely?
No! Not at all!
Goodhart's law: "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure."
Basically it means that when you start setting things as a target, in this case high test scores, people will start gaming the system to achieve the intended outcome (again in this case, getting high test scores).
Could you put a date on these?
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