Why I don't like Frontend Dev
Вставка
- Опубліковано 2 січ 2024
- 🚀 neetcode.io/ - A better way to prepare for Coding Interviews
🧑💼 LinkedIn: / navdeep-singh-3aaa14161
🥷 Discord: / discord
🐦 Twitter: / neetcode1
🐮 Support the channel: / neetcode
⭐ BLIND-75 PLAYLIST: • Two Sum - Leetcode 1 -...
💡 DYNAMIC PROGRAMMING PLAYLIST: • House Robber - Leetco...
#neetcode #leetcode #python
"why I don't like frontend" answer: css
totally agree though
looool, true😂
i probably wouldve done backend if it wasnt for tailwind.
Css is easy tho
+1111111
@@PsychoDude Until you work on an enterprise repo where you move a div and suddenly you get a PM from a dude from another team that informs you that your change broke something of his because he used some stupid CSS rule for his classes and stuff. I fucking hate pure CSS and SCSS. I'd rather use tailwind or inline CSS.
For the record I'm not hating on frontend dev, nor am I saying backend dev is superior. Querying a db and writing some rest endpoints ain't super interesting either. Just giving one man's opinion :)
We all have our own perspective! Thanks for sharing yours
At least in the content I consume, definitely seeing a rise in this sentiment. I think more generally a lot of the web development boilerplate things as a whole (web apis, frontend frameworks, CRUD-style work, not learning/understanding abstractions that people use) is boring. Not sure if that's just plight of having more experience and wanting to work on more interesting and hard CS problems--or, if I am just watching too much of the Primeagen 🤣. It doesn't help that a growing number of tech content creators that focus on web-dev stuff peddle the same low-effort garbage content and upsell their courses in every turn, which then shows up on my feed for me to clean up.
actual title: "Why I don't like Web Frontend Dev"
taking the piss kinda, but you kinda are, lol.
Looks like I do front end kinda like you do. However I'm always in awe about those who can just rip through transitions, parallax, etc. Seems like it takes me longer than others to get that kind of stuff just knocked out.
Also, you *could* do data structures in algos on the front end, especially when dealing with timings and transitions, or data visualization.
That said, i get this is a clip, and is somewhat off the cuff, kinda like my comment. :D
HOW DARE YOU?!!!!! sdasdaasd
What interests me about frontend isn't really the technology, or even that it's visual (though that helps). It's more that you're on the frontlines of user interaction, and you have the power to sway the product from half-assed uninspired utility to something that truly exemplifies good UX. Frontend engineers fill in the gaps that designers don't think about, and ultimately good user experience either shines or dies with us. There's too much bad software out there, not because the engineers are dumb but because they don't care about UX.
As an experienced FE dev, there will come a point that you can literally see a marksman of a bad at FE, okay at FE, good at FE and expert at FE.
When someone says FE is easy and it's just walk at the park and check their work. I just smile. :) Happy coding!
Unfortunately that is not my experience. We have to build exactly what the UX designers want.
I am not sure if its a phase but I feel the same way. I have been doing frontend for 3 years, I wrote some tooling for frontend which is more logic oriented than visual aspects and I loved it. I am not saying this is backend code but it's a step towards backend/tooling which have different challenges than frontend. I've been learning go for fun and I have been enjoying it a lot! Anyone else in this "phase"?
same
I think I'm there as well. I've been doing frontend for almost three years. Actually, I didn't start my career as a frontend engineer. I was working on a project using django and jquery, and then I moved to another team and in the team, they was looking for a frontend engineer who was in charge of a new react project. As an entry developer, I really wanted to challenge new stuff and at that time, react hooks just came up and it so interested in me. It was an image tool and I liked creating the features of the tool like cropping images or calculates some stuff. I wouldn't say I'm enjoying backend development because in the backend development, more things get involved like database, network, devops and some more than I do in frontend. I'm in the phase right now where I think of I'm a really frontend engineer? because tbh, I don't like creating UI stuff and I don't think I have an eye for design, but I like coding some logical stuff but I wouldn't say I'm confident with it, like algorithm stuff. I don't know where I am. I know a little bit backend knowledge or cs stuff like I can develop simple servers for my toy project but it is not what I've been doing as a professional so, yes. I don't know. I'm just believing that if I get some experience more, I will figure out my strength and I'm hoping that I'm willing to work with other skills too like mobile, backend, not frontend stuff to find out what I really like. At the moment, I wouldn't say visual aspects is my thing. But the one thing I'm sure is that I enjoy coding, developing and working with other people together. It gives me motivation to keep working on it.
same here. Been doing FE for 3 years. I only love the logic and architecture and hate the styling and ux tasks. I'm trying to steer to the backend because I think the problems to be solved there are just more fun and valuable. However, I'm scared that my salary might take a plunge if I switch completely...
@@linhnguyen05111999umm let me explain to you if you're not interested in FE then you should start learning Be along with your current job and i will suggest you to go for Golang for Be
Bro Go for BE is beast 💪🏼
I thought I had something an issue in myself. I have always loved algorithms, and the core subjects of computer science. I cracked GATE, loved doing that. I interned at an MNC where my first training was in python, and I got a full grade. But the second training was in web dev, mostly frontend, and I could barely pass it!
The same story kept happening, I love leetcode,! I started leetcoding during my depression, and even till now, whenever I do leetcode, I feel at peace before sleeping. But I just couldn't get myself up to do front end, it just feels copy paste to me.I don't know dude, I am just glad to hear you, my idol in this perspective.
It feels copy paste because you are copy pasting due to lack of experience. When you are solving new UI problems its not as much copy pasting anymore
Just don't do frontend, or any web at all. I never touched that crap in over 30 years, and looking at how web developers struggle, I am so happy I was never even tempted. There is a huge and exciting world outside of web.
It's only when you really know CSS and feel the control in you hands. When you can implement complex layouts with ease, it feels fun.
Problems on Frontend are easy to solve but difficult to code like css animations etc, problem on backend are hard to solve but easy to code.
In a sense that description of frontend sounds quite frustrating that you know what you want and it’s easy to express in natural language but the struggle is expressing it in code. At least I’d rather tackle problems that are difficult to tangle and process at first but once you have clarity, you don’t have to fight with the implementation.
Bro the complexity varies by projects.
"You cannot prevent the birds of sorrow from flying over your head, but you can prevent them from building nests in your hair." - Chinese Proverbs
A day of trying and failing is ten times better than a day of stagnating. It might feel like rock bottom when you are failing, but it feels even more rock bottom when you are not trying.
I like the impact front-end dev can have on the user and the app via good UI/UX. However, I hate the politics of front-end in corporate environments
What politics are you talking about?
@@harsiddakbedi8999like Israel occupation of Palestine
@@alimodz6253shut up
@@alimodz6253 😂😂
@@alimodz6253 css genocide
I can relate to your liking of C. After video about "Abstraction Hell" I really felt heard. Even though I'm 1.5yoe frontend dev, I have urges to return to low-level stuff and it's probably because I don't have to guess what's happening when I code.
People around me thought I'm wasting my time when I was learning C/Assembly to understand DSA or things like window creation, http requests. However, I think it was what gave me the most confidence in my skills as a dev.
And for frontend it's just abstraction on top of abstraction, so it gets tricky to be certain about how React works, for example, and it will certainly take time to get familiar with all the concepts around rendering techniques, reasons to prefer one framework over another and so on. So that's what I mean when I say "having to guess what's happening". For someone familiar with Handmade Hero series, I feel like webdev lacks something like that, I dunno
Working with low level languages like C, C++ or Zig feels good.
you have to guess a lot more when doing low level programming tho. it's full of undefined behaviour and random memory bugs that are hard to debug. webdev languages are much nicer in that aspect, but they evolve really fast and you have to keep up a lot with trends
Bro how do I learn low level things to understand stuff like you
Yea I feel the same way. I have a math degree and have been a pro dev for almost 2 years. I do not like working on the front end. I just don't care. I like the logic of the backend. I really like DSA.
Hey im currently in college studying applied maths. I have a question, doesn't it bother you that your job could be easily replaced by bootcamp person with few months of learning? Why didn't you choose carrer like for example financial modelling, actuary, quant or whatever? I'm sorry if this is too direct question
The moment you said you like DSA your opinions went down the drain mate you ain't a pro dev as you claim yourself to be keep solving puzzles and coping
Mate, a person can become a back end dev even without DSA.
@@rohanpandey9957 lmfao you sound like a frontend dev chill
I've been coding for 15 years, I'd been backend, full stack and now front end. I faced heavy SQL queries, and worked with really small and really big companies. The biggest challenges I've found until now, I've found in front end, the are a lot of things you can do wrong, there are so room to optimization. For example, right now, I'm rendering very complex trees. You have to use best practices and optimization technics. In fact, this is where I used dynamic programming for the first time in my career.
Where does he stream? UA-cam? Twitch? I cant find it
why does every backend guy thinks frontend is all about styling shit and build static sites. There is so much logic and complexity going just to connect everything together and make it available on all different devices. Its not just css and build blocks
He's a puzzle solving guy don't think he even knows backend lol frontend is so vast and fun honestly I get flabbergasted while watching Theo and all who actually have done frontend dev @twitch or such companies and don't just solve stewpid leetcode problems and make a course out of it
No experienced backend dev thinks this way
How low level is library development (say, a state manager) considered?
Same here. I love sql and C#. Front end is bleh. Its also what I've had to do more and more over the years.
What I dislike about the frontend:
- Styling (diff. result on certain browsers, responsiveness, etc.)
- Components & Reactivity
- Duplication of server validations (for better UX 🥴)
- Complexity in managing state
- Configurations (eslint, prettier, tsconfig, etc.)
so you just dont like frontend lol
@@ExecutionMods not necessarily. There are other tools that remove 2-3 of my complaints in frontend development. It's just that the current job market forces me to not use those tools.
There's also things like performance, security, testing, animations, caching, data persistence, browser/device specific features, and offline mode
Responsiveness is the main reason I hate frontend
I love how we all have different interests and specialities that make us a helpful ecosystem. He hates CSS and dislikes the weak typing of JS. I love CSS and JS for all of its idiosyncrasies, especially its weak typing. I have to use JS and Java daily but I can bust out my JS work ~10x faster all while optimizing it and keeping it clean. I typically don't even let my team touch CSS because I'd rather do it. To each his own, right?
Java + JavaScript 👀 might be in my future
this "I typically don't even let my team touch CSS"
me it is like saying "can I grab your card bro.. " i've literally done this tons
Did you ever get to try mobile development with Swift or Kotlin?
mobile dev is awesome
Kotlin is shtt
Feel the exact same way. Dislike front-end because of JS, and because I don't really find it interesting. It's definitely cool and there's a lot of complexity behind it sometimes, but I just much rather be mucking around in C or lower level statically typed languages
"People who are visual like coding stuff like this, its cool to them"
As a UI designer who eventually started doing front-end development I agree, I do think its cool. 😅
Honestly, If you like C and low-level, you can learn embedded (building robots or smth like this)
Web dev just pays so goddamn much and it also is the best for remote work.
I thought I was the only person feeling this way.
You should style your scrollbars. They don't really match the site
I understand devs gravitate to what interests them. My problem is full-stack programmers who abstract front-end into some monstrosity just so they can ignore it or not have to share with a frontend dev who really cares about it
How do you abstract a front-end into a monstrosity?
@@jacobcohen76 You use MBs of JavaScript just to reinvent the DOM
I have the same habit of pulling my hair. Ly bro.
So you like C/C++/C#/Java? Those languages are all pretty cool!
when you are trying to prove your some how Geeek 😉 Me: "I only code backend ..."
You like math and I like you neetcode
what if I told frontends are distributed systems
you should make these into shorts
I don't know what is going on.. I like this and that.. ohhh... I just like to code and write logiccc.. I like to create end to end application and enjoy every part of it.
Well my fist language was c++, Do I like front-end no, but Im full stack developer MERN, Php because pay is good
Frontend may not be intresting but its definelty not complex. real frontend people loves doing frontend. so it differes from person to person
Many parts of frontend can get very complex, such as performance, security, testing, animations, caching, data persistence, browser/device specific features, offline mode, etc
How neetcode is different from leetcode when one have to pay to unlock a problem just to solve it?
That’s for premium
@@andiuptown1711 U didnt understood my question. And the question is not intended for you.
So you're telling me you actually liked KC Wang's Systems Programming class?? Mad man
Can u provide google frontend interview process and leetcode roadmap
he has the roadmap on his website
well you know, it puts food on the table and sponsors my "outside of work hobbies"
I respect the fact you like low level programming. I think you could like Zig or Rust
100% how i am as well
Why I don't like Frontend Dev : it's not interesting to me (i.e. i don't like frontend dev) it's a full circle
I love Frontend coding !
Just not using html / css / JavaScript and all that webdev garbage
Win32/gtk/cocoa + zig
tf is even that?
Bro really starts hating anything just when I start getting good at it 🙁
Frontend is implementing graphic design with code
Boring projects can be boring. You could argue that many things are copy and paste in the backend also. If you’re building another CRUD system you will be copying pretty much all the logic from another CRUD system other than the models/schemas.
I hate frontend dev because they made it so complicated for no reason. when backend is simpler every day, frontend is harder and harder. You have a tone of files to create and company loves to use a lot of framework and library and at the end, add a simple feature with a simple REST call involve a tone of work (Redux...). Even testing is horrible.
I work with Java and Spring Boot and it's so simple compared to what I have to do with Angular, ,ngrx, angular material ...
I can do a complete application with one configuration file in Java fully tested.
When I have to work in frontend, there is a tone of files to configure Angular, Karma...
Eh, it's complicated by necessity. Used to be you just had to make it work on all browsers and then separately on IE. Now you have to make it work on all kinds of browsers and screen sizes and device types, make sure the button works with touch screen AND keyboard for accessibility, etc. it's all insane so every library and framework makes it slightly easier to work with. But yeah, you end up with a mess.
Eh, it's complicated by necessity. Used to be you just had to make it work on all browsers and then separately on IE. Now you have to make it work on all kinds of browsers and screen sizes and device types, make sure the button works with touch screen AND keyboard for accessibility, etc. it's all insane so every library and framework makes it slightly easier to work with. But yeah, you end up with a mess.
Same
If you don't like it why did you continue it for long? Honestly want to understand
Gaining experience, earning a great income, and the prestige of working for FAANG
Brevv you've got a dsa course you peaked at while working for google dont think youre the right person to take opinion from about dev stuff 😂
Well it's just an opinion not advice :)
I'm new to me, front end is just rendering alot of stuff your not really "coding".
What does low level mean?
closer to the hardware
And no garbage collector.
if you love low level lang then you must love rust and tried it some where along the way
Just learn a backend and for frontend there are lot of AI tools available 😂
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🤔 *Frontend development may not be of interest to everyone, but it's still respected.*
00:27 🖌️ *Some find CSS and HTML less interesting, while others enjoy the visual aspect of coding.*
00:41 🧩 *JavaScript's dynamic typing can be a drawback for some developers.*
01:08 💻 *Low-level programming, like working with C, can be more appealing for certain individuals.*
01:22 📚 *Data structures, algorithms, and math are more prominent in backend and low-level development compared to frontend.*
Made with HARPA AI
Bro the video is a minute long
Totally me
For me all coding are coding low high medium level . It's all the same thing.
I started with front-end and let me tell you; I hate it. I will never be a front-end dev. It is so boring to code things that have little to no logic, you just make things show up, move around, expand, etc etc.
Backend you have to write the logic for every single thing, you have to think why one way is better or worse than the other, it impacts your whole system and so idk, I just like it more.
Yep,your not really learning how to code. I think all new devs should learn first how to setup a server and how to code logic to get a app and or site up. Then and only then work on the frontend.
Front end is just not logical if you ask me
Bro really.. you don't like front end and you don't like Js because of what....
because he doesn't know javascript.. he h@tes that js is different from whatever languages he learnt and web is filled with js.. so he cannot do web dev.. it saddens him
Well yea its crap@@Deb_deCoder
@@jwoods9659 you are just a beginner.. don't dare to label something as crap without learning it.. just by listening from here and there, from people who are of different language backgrounds
@@Deb_deCoderikr
First comment
another opinion idon't want to hear
2nd
cs in general is boring, math and physics is more fun
Frontend developers can be replaced easily. Any decent react developer can pick up any react project quickly. On the other hand, even a very good backend developer can take a long time to understand a complex backend code base. Frontend works are also easier to be done by AI.
I think this is one of the stupid things to discuss as topic.
yeah your website frontend easy to make that's why its boring
I feel like the same could be said about most frontends tb. They all look the same, use the same component libraries and frameworks.
@@NeetCodeIOhave you ever fiddled around the twitch frontend don't think it's similar to any other platform and your puzzle solving course selling website ain't no where near it
ye its really boring
yeah especially if you don't know javascript
@@Deb_deCoder well in my case i do and its still boring
Well 90% of the time you don't need that much JS @@Deb_deCoder
@@pastori2672 how long you have been doing frontend job ? tell the truth.. you are just a child who just joined youtube 3 years ago 😁 you aren't even at a job
@@Deb_deCoder atleast im not indian
Front end is a nonsensical inconsistent mess. 75% of people that start their careers with it move to back end.
There's a reason javascript has always been the highest in demand language. No one wants to code in javascript for a living
TypeScript though, is actually a very nice language and pretty much everyone uses it now. I wouldn't reply to a company that didn't use it or wasn't at least actively moving away from vanilla JS.
been coding in javascript for 6 years now. IDK man, I like that language for some reason
Believe it or not frontend is the closest thing to go full automation due to ai and with backend its just some more time than it will too
lol
only a noob would use that sentence that made a login screen with chat gpt and start sucking AI's dck from there. I gave chatgpt to refactor 4 functions to make a separate function of a common logic used in all four and it took 10 different corrections from my end to fix it which would've take much less for me If I did it by myself. Last month of my chatgpt pro plan.
gO fUlL aUtOmAtTioN lol
Frontend is not engineering 😬
can't wait to come back in a few hours and read the replies 🤭🍿🍿
@@NeetCodeIO Replying so I get notifications for the war about to unfold haha
i recommend boycotting everything that has a frontend.
frontend is closer to the user.. whereas low level is closer to the machine.. without good frontend no common user is going to use that product
Well I'm a new developer and I had to take a break from it and learn some back-end things because your 100% correct until you become a senior level in front end your not really a engineer and what makes it worse is almost everything is focused on React.