I second this. The longer and more in depth the better. Personally brushless is more helpful. My only brushed motor is in a TRX 6 and is only still there because I don't particularly like or drive the truck often. I'll eventually swap it over, primarily to make it faster since that's obviously what the truck was designed for, lol.
Mr. Holmes, you are the man in the world of power in RC rock crawling! Your explanation of KV VS turns is excellent! I really enjoy watching these informative videos that you produce . They are straightforward and easy to understand. I wonder, have you been a teacher in years past? If not, you should be a teacher at a tech college! Like button, energized! Subscribed - have been for years!
A lot of brushless motors use the dimensions of can i.e. 3550, 3565, etc (diameter/ length) I started with aircraft decades ago and some devine force got me into bashing and crawling now that's mostly what I do 😂 When it comes to replacing/ using a brushed motor I only buy HH 😊. The turn to KV chart on your website is super helpful 👍
Always very helpful, I personally would like you to make a video diving deeper into the motors themselves.. both brushed and brushless. Thank you for all you do for the hobby
Thanks for the kv cross reference web page, I’ve had it bookmarked for a while, very useful. Also, I, Nerdy McNerdson, would love to see in depth motor info and comparisons.
It would be nice to hear more on brushless like why do they hit a certain point and start jittering or what is the reason for the strength of a brushless motor the you know size versus Link versus with magnets just the whole night
I’d love to see a video dedicated to choosing a rock crawler motor. I think I’ll have a motor picked out, then I’ll see multiple videos that contradict everything else I saw.
Yeah I definitely want that video so I run a 4100 12th pinion on a scx24 a lot of people call me crazy but it has the most torque density it's a little bit of a longer can and you can tell just by turning it how much stronger the magnets are it is a bam 4100 by mofo
I remember when I lived in Florida and had a BK or Kontronik ESC with a Lehner Basic 4200 and none of he Hobby shops knew anything about it. I also ran a few absolutely incredible Aveox sensor set up which I still have them all and from there sensor was the way to go. I really miss the RC-Monster forum, there's a lot of things in there that I can point out me asking companies to do something and fast forward a few years later, most are doing it. Imagine if they had listened back than rofl. I still remember a race I went and someone told me a 10S capable ESC I had made was huge and I see some HV ESCs now that dwarfs the ones I had made. Now the question is, will brushed motors go obsolete?
More intricacies about the motors? YES please! What difference does it make to the motor behavior with Y vs D coupling? When do you want one over the other? Also: Kv as a comparative factor says just about as much or little as the number of turns. Kv combined with the torque factor (providing stall torque as a function of voltage) is required for proper comparison!
Quick answer, wye vs Delta is not so important unless the motor is designed for delta and wound wye(bad), or if it's in a reversing situation with sensors that are tuned for the other pattern. Arguments for wye only are true, but in practice are rarely enough to make a difference except in bleeding edge cases
What would be your recommendation for your motors with the absolute best performance in the Traxxas trx4 if wanting to stay brushed and stock electronics?
I use both the 66T and 87T TorqueMaster Mini 180's on my TRX4Ms and love them. One is setup for trail and one for slow crawl. They work a treat and always deliver on my stock electronics/battery in both. :D
@@robinkesterlives thank you sir! This is for a 1/10 TRX4 but been wanting to try a Holmes hobby motor for while. Definitely looking for slow crawl control but he has so many options to pick from lol
@@NEO-RC Oops, trx4 not 4m :D Ya know Im not sure on that. I use the original revolver on my TRX4 :D I was just looking at all the versions just of the TorqueMaster for the TRX4, wow. Would mak ea great video explaining all the sizes/turns and how they relate eh :D
Hi I was wondering what the difference in y wind and delta wind maybe that could be part of your next video on motors thanlyou have a awsome day from NFLD Canada
So I run in the sand a lot with my crawlers, I want a very torque dense system but likely an inrunner. What Holmes motor would you suggest to be torquey like an outer but not subject to getting sand inside it?
Can you explain why the holmes hobby inrunner is dominating comp crawl at crawler canyon rockdale il. Quiet plenty power torque perfect drag brake and realistic slow speeds. My trx4 brushed is a complete zero compared to a holmes hobby inrunner brushless. New to comp crawl. Been bashing and driving rc since mid 80s.
Good morning, I have a 2212 3540kv out runner motor in a hosim x15. I am currently working on upgrading the esc, servo and was seeing if there was a larger motor I can upgrade to or is this the largest I can get? I hope you continue to have a great holiday!!
Specific question, I have a SCX6. Why is it's spektrum 1200 kv motor limited to 3 or 4s but a ± 1200kv spektrum motor in a kraton 8s capable? Is it the length? The esc limiting it? My Outcast has a 760kv 12s capable will running it on 8s affect its longevity either positively or negatively? My esc will also take 12s. Edit? Just got to the part about "turns" and length in brushless motors and think that answers my question. Is there a secret to know how much voltage a motor will take or do we just trust the manufacturer? Reason i ask is i put a 4000kv motor and 100 amp esc in my Gorgon. The esc is 3s capable but the motor says 2s only. I tried it on 3s and it ran great. Is it RPM on 3s that'll kill it? Only reason I'm trying is the power is adequate but i want more top speed and i already have the biggest pinion that'll fit. Should i just buy another setup and donate this one to the TRX 6 before i let the smoke out the motor?
It all breaks down to circular mills not realy turns and lengths. A bad winder can make a difference in power over a good winder sometimes for the better lol
That's also a big consideration, cross section and terminal resistance is important! That could be a whole video, and also can dive into why higher pole count has lower terminal resistance (its essentially two or more motors in parallel)
Dude you must be a mind-reader cuz I just sent you a message earlier asking you what was like the best for is KV twerking power like what is it like I do a higher KV and I get better to work better wheel speed with just a 12 too. I don't run 10 right now I run a lot of 18 to 24 it's a lot easier for me
The longer video would be really awesome
I second this. The longer and more in depth the better. Personally brushless is more helpful. My only brushed motor is in a TRX 6 and is only still there because I don't particularly like or drive the truck often. I'll eventually swap it over, primarily to make it faster since that's obviously what the truck was designed for, lol.
Mr. Holmes, you are the man in the world of power in RC rock crawling! Your explanation of KV VS turns is excellent! I really enjoy watching these informative videos that you produce . They are straightforward and easy to understand. I wonder, have you been a teacher in years past? If not, you should be a teacher at a tech college! Like button, energized! Subscribed - have been for years!
Wow, thanks!
A lot of brushless motors use the dimensions of can i.e. 3550, 3565, etc (diameter/ length) I started with aircraft decades ago and some devine force got me into bashing and crawling now that's mostly what I do 😂 When it comes to replacing/ using a brushed motor I only buy HH 😊. The turn to KV chart on your website is super helpful 👍
Or 1406, 1410, etc.... everybody uses their own naming
@@HolmesHobbies castle being difficult. Lol
I would watch the long one for sure. It would definitely help with some of the projects I have planned.
Always very helpful, I personally would like you to make a video diving deeper into the motors themselves.. both brushed and brushless.
Thank you for all you do for the hobby
Will do
I agree, the more detail info the better understanding and choice on the right motor
Thank you for taking the time to put out that video. I learned a couple of things. A longer format video would be great.
You got it!
Thanks for the kv cross reference web page, I’ve had it bookmarked for a while, very useful. Also, I, Nerdy McNerdson, would love to see in depth motor info and comparisons.
It is always nice to vatch nice technical videos!!!
Very helpful video John, I learned something about brushed motors today! I wasn’t that familiar before. Thanks!
Glad to help
I would love to watch a longer video on this topic!
Found info on your site. Great vid👍
Awesome, thank you!
hell yeah make that video
Love to see it make the video
Bring all the information... would love to listen to all the details
Smash that LIKE button
It would be nice to hear more on brushless like why do they hit a certain point and start jittering or what is the reason for the strength of a brushless motor the you know size versus Link versus with magnets just the whole night
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Yes we want you to go into extreme detail in a motor video!! And servos! And escs!
Good ol Mr. Holmes Education 👌 as always great explanation. Id love to see more of these.
Great video, id like the long form one, too!! Thank you!!
Great to see your health improving .
i'd like to hear more very advanced stuff.
Gotta start with the basics.
absolutely
I’d love to see a video dedicated to choosing a rock crawler motor. I think I’ll have a motor picked out, then I’ll see multiple videos that contradict everything else I saw.
Yeah I definitely want that video so I run a 4100 12th pinion on a scx24 a lot of people call me crazy but it has the most torque density it's a little bit of a longer can and you can tell just by turning it how much stronger the magnets are it is a bam 4100 by mofo
Sounds good!
I remember when I lived in Florida and had a BK or Kontronik ESC with a Lehner Basic 4200 and none of he Hobby shops knew anything about it. I also ran a few absolutely incredible Aveox sensor set up which I still have them all and from there sensor was the way to go. I really miss the RC-Monster forum, there's a lot of things in there that I can point out me asking companies to do something and fast forward a few years later, most are doing it. Imagine if they had listened back than rofl. I still remember a race I went and someone told me a 10S capable ESC I had made was huge and I see some HV ESCs now that dwarfs the ones I had made. Now the question is, will brushed motors go obsolete?
Please do a video on turns v.s. torque
More intricacies about the motors? YES please!
What difference does it make to the motor behavior with Y vs D coupling? When do you want one over the other?
Also:
Kv as a comparative factor says just about as much or little as the number of turns.
Kv combined with the torque factor (providing stall torque as a function of voltage) is required for proper comparison!
Quick answer, wye vs Delta is not so important unless the motor is designed for delta and wound wye(bad), or if it's in a reversing situation with sensors that are tuned for the other pattern.
Arguments for wye only are true, but in practice are rarely enough to make a difference except in bleeding edge cases
I am a founder member of the brushless generation. I measure everything in kV
What would be your recommendation for your motors with the absolute best performance in the Traxxas trx4 if wanting to stay brushed and stock electronics?
I use both the 66T and 87T TorqueMaster Mini 180's on my TRX4Ms and love them. One is setup for trail and one for slow crawl. They work a treat and always deliver on my stock electronics/battery in both. :D
@@robinkesterlives thank you sir! This is for a 1/10 TRX4 but been wanting to try a Holmes hobby motor for while. Definitely looking for slow crawl control but he has so many options to pick from lol
@@NEO-RC Oops, trx4 not 4m :D Ya know Im not sure on that. I use the original revolver on my TRX4 :D I was just looking at all the versions just of the TorqueMaster for the TRX4, wow. Would mak ea great video explaining all the sizes/turns and how they relate eh :D
@@robinkesterlives no worries, but yeah that’s why I asked his recommendation cause man there’s a lot to pick from 😂
It's a great idea for a video!
Good info. I'd like to know which motors have the highest drag brake. I'd love a brushed motor that will HOLD like the SE and Pros that I have.
Are the kV's measured by time like rpms - so is it kV per minute, hour, second?
Thanks
RPM me thinks
Hi I was wondering what the difference in y wind and delta wind maybe that could be part of your next video on motors thanlyou have a awsome day from NFLD Canada
So I run in the sand a lot with my crawlers, I want a very torque dense system but likely an inrunner. What Holmes motor would you suggest to be torquey like an outer but not subject to getting sand inside it?
there's a lot of escs that have the function to run brushless and brushed motors
So would a brushed outrunner be possible to create, and what would it be like?
Can you explain why the holmes hobby inrunner is dominating comp crawl at crawler canyon rockdale il. Quiet plenty power torque perfect drag brake and realistic slow speeds. My trx4 brushed is a complete zero compared to a holmes hobby inrunner brushless. New to comp crawl. Been bashing and driving rc since mid 80s.
Good morning, I have a 2212 3540kv out runner motor in a hosim x15. I am currently working on upgrading the esc, servo and was seeing if there was a larger motor I can upgrade to or is this the largest I can get? I hope you continue to have a great holiday!!
John I run your motors in most of my crawlers. That being said, what is your take on the Hobbywing 2 in 1 Fusion SE and Pro ?
so if I was to get a revolver/esc combo for a mostly stock SCX10.3, what would you recommend?
Castle does it brushless and brushed
Would the 280 or 380 brushless be better for a UTB18? I'm thinking 380.
380 for sure
Is the higher the kv the higher the tourqe is also?
Specific question, I have a SCX6. Why is it's spektrum 1200 kv motor limited to 3 or 4s but a ± 1200kv spektrum motor in a kraton 8s capable? Is it the length? The esc limiting it?
My Outcast has a 760kv 12s capable will running it on 8s affect its longevity either positively or negatively? My esc will also take 12s.
Edit? Just got to the part about "turns" and length in brushless motors and think that answers my question.
Is there a secret to know how much voltage a motor will take or do we just trust the manufacturer? Reason i ask is i put a 4000kv motor and 100 amp esc in my Gorgon. The esc is 3s capable but the motor says 2s only. I tried it on 3s and it ran great. Is it RPM on 3s that'll kill it? Only reason I'm trying is the power is adequate but i want more top speed and i already have the biggest pinion that'll fit. Should i just buy another setup and donate this one to the TRX 6 before i let the smoke out the motor?
Probably rotor construction. The 8s capable motor will be designed for high speed. The crawler motor, they probably didn't reinforce the rotor.
brushless motors on a higher KV cost twice as much and using less copper for windings
Let’s get deep!
It all breaks down to circular mills not realy turns and lengths. A bad winder can make a difference in power over a good winder sometimes for the better lol
That's also a big consideration, cross section and terminal resistance is important! That could be a whole video, and also can dive into why higher pole count has lower terminal resistance (its essentially two or more motors in parallel)
Id watch it. I grew up in a electric motor shop and I spent 15 years as a motor winder I love that stuff.
Typically, I like to use a comb.
Dive into detail make it its own long video!
break them down in smaller videos
how long u think each one should be?
Dude you must be a mind-reader cuz I just sent you a message earlier asking you what was like the best for is KV twerking power like what is it like I do a higher KV and I get better to work better wheel speed with just a 12 too. I don't run 10 right now I run a lot of 18 to 24 it's a lot easier for me
top speed brushless I believe is 216 mph
218mph. Raz Shiffrin.
oh
222mph James McCoy😎
@@themountain59 You beat me to it! 😅
Current speed record is set by James McCoy at about 224mph. Freaking rediculous!
Once you go brushless
You can't go
backless...
I like the fidelity of the brushless systems
@DaveGlitchHare have you tried FOC yet? It's sweet. Different
@@buysncharge yeah, it makes a beginner like me look like I know what I'm doing. I love em
Apples to Apples how much more efficient in % is a comparable brushless motor versus a brushed motor.
50%