Is Belgium Destined to Split Into Two Separate Nations?
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2016
- Belgium Divided (2008): The identity crisis at the heart of Belgian society.
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As the divide between Flanders and Wallonia keeps growing, Belgium faces an unprecedented political crisis. How do you reconcile two cultures, two languages and two identities within one state?
The streets of Stavelot are crowded for the Walloon procession. Walloons may be celebrating their identity but this is one of Western Europe s poorest of regions. Unemployment is double that in the Flemish North. As politicians try to find a power sharing formula, many in the North would prefer an independent nation of Flanders. Peter Busyrogge of the Flemish Separatist Party pushes for independence: Wallonia and Flanders are two totally different countries. They are two parts of a state but they are completely different cultures . For nationalists, the lack of common values has made today s Belgium obsolete. Will Belgium emerge from this crisis reformed and united or is the divide too deep to bridge?
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This reminds me of French Canada vs British Canada
Hmm... We British allowed the French to live peacefully and have their own language and culture when we took Quebec from the French. They even don't want to join the American rebels during the American war of Independence, preferring to live with the British even if they are enemies during latter stages of the war. Some even join the British army during the Napoleonic war because they were still loyal to the French king and not to the republic nor to Napoleon.
They voted for independence twice back in 1990s and early 2000s butt they lost the vote twice. So the French part still stay in Canada.
David Black
True , and Quebec well always stay a part of Canada 🇨🇦
@@omaralkayal7598 حق تقرير المصير
@@rafiahrafiah8776 I agree
years ago I visited Montreal and went into a storied department store, Oglivy's I think. Built in the 20's with marble everywhere. Chiseled into the marble were directions and instructions, all in English. I began to understand why francophone Quebeckers were so incensed.
How is it that the swiss can easily coexist having four totally different language communities and Belgium is about to fall apart because of two?
Because the French ruling class tought less about their northen brothers. In the past, the main language of Belgium was French. There was no respect for the dutch speaking part of the population, witch they saw as less human. Every time the Flemish people asked for equality and respect it was swept away with repression. It goes on today, but more subtle. For example, the woman in the clip is part of todays problems, she lives in the Flemish part of Belgium but will refuse to speak dutch, or just can't speak it.
And in Swiss, ultimately you must know Swiss German for national affairs.
Hi we have the same name
laughing in yugoslavian
@@TDPDK1 Really? Is that your explanation on the current (political) tensions? Language area's already have been formed by law back in 1962, and reformations in both primary and secondary school even in 1932! What are you even on about? The guy asked a fair explanation.
You have no clue, do you Jos?
This is laughable. Any Flemish right wing politician can come up with an explaination of how things should have gone in the past to save the country, claiming that it's too late now. Sounds really well to get the brainless people on their side.
That woman at 6min mark is one hell of a decieving franskiljon, wanting people to learn the language before they move in and don't turn their communities into 90% Francophone like what happened in Brussels is not racist.
Its funny how people outside belgium try to understand and think they know everything.. XD
OLGMC students at school are the ones suffering the most they have to learn french even tho they will not be needing it at all(unless you choose to). it would be best if we students get to choose our language. for example: i want to learn japanese at school but i cant because that isnt an option bcs we have to learn french. and even if i want to go as an exchange student to japan, i have to pass my french before i can go for no reason at all
It's funny how they they think somebody could understand Belgium
Most of us doesn't even give a shit
It's also funny how people who don't live in the US think they understand the US. It goes both ways.
To be fair belgiums don’t even know how this shitty political system
@@iliasrydlakowski1420 Mischien omdat er geen leerkrachten japans zijn. En we moeten frans leren zodat ge er later mischien iets aan hebt, als da ni zo is is da zo maar dan kend het wel, maar ik vindt ook dat de neederlands in de walen verplicht wordt, en ik denk dat ze daar nu mee bezig zijn.
First of all Flemish nor Wallons are a "race"
wallonnians are ethnic french and flemish are ethnic dutch
@@fraser4982 Mmm are you sure about that because there are neither ethnic dutch nor ethnic french..
romain morales wow fact denying and i guess the Austrians aren't ethnic German either are they
@@fraser4982 Okay.
My bad, thought you were talking about west-european genetics.
The flemish and dutch are the same ethno-linguistic group but don't have the same religion tho (catholic/protestant)
romain morales yh but religion doesn't really mean anything nowadays in Europe
We will continue to fight Francophone colonialism and imperialism, no matter how much they shout racist. First they did it from a superior economic position (even believing themeselfs to be a superior race). now that their economy is in the gutter and basically live from our taxmoney, they do it under the cloak of tolerance , solidarity and diversity. Different methods, same goal.
If you're really concerned with racism and colonialism, siding with the fascists seems like a bad idea. But I guess Vlaams Belang has brainwashed all of Flanders.
@@leuvenfra stupid comment, vlaams belang is only one side of the Flemish movement. There are other independence parties, but keep your eyes closed x.
Zzzzz... Zzzzzzz...
@@leuvenfra imagine thinking Vlaams Belang is fascist.
Typical leftist.
blud just hates people of speak french that means you also hates the flemish elites who sopke french rather than flemish
Flanders: A country
Wallonia: A country
Brussels: A country controlled by the EU
No.
_Ironically true_
_But no. Belgium still lives on_
WannVer bull
Belgium is one country with 3 reigons
Half speaks French, half speaks Dutch, and all speaks English?
You'll find the Flemish speak both French and Dutch whereas the walonians only speak French ....that's been my experience as I speak Dutch as s second language...there is a sign on the border that says Vlaanderen....IT used to say België...i would say that it's started already
English is a germanic language with most of it's vocabulary is Latin just like french
Yeah it’s bizarre ... I’m American and I lived in Wallonia and Brussels for a few years....both sides put more effort into learning English than learning the other side’s language.... I had a harder time living and getting administrative things done in the Wallonie side bc of they speak less English but they were socially more warm and kind..... the Flanders side was way more racist and xenophobic but spoke more English. It was so weird. The Flemish have a huge chip on their shoulders also.... such a shame
@@neoconwarhawk1001
most of the english vocabulary is just french
Since I go to school in Bruxelles I Lear both French and flemish I tried speaking flemish in Flanders and some people are making fun of me
Update I've tried speaking Flemish again and I'm doing better but I still won't forget that day
@@gabrielcaramet3238
Pas mal quand-même, d'avoir fait cet effort.
Mensen zullen je altijd meer respecteren dan uitlachen, als je moeite doet 😉
People saying that flanders should join The Netherlands don't know about the history, it's like saying that Ireland should join the UK.
Their history is only different from the Netherlands and the other german states, because thed were ruled by France for a long time.
France even kept Dunkirk, a flemish city in their grasp and made it french.
@@MMadesen meanwhile the dutch also have old flemish cities, zeeland etc. Flemish people and Flanders is not dutch. it has it's own distinct culture and traditions. We speak dutch but this doesn't mean that we are dutch. is austria german? no, same language but not german.
@@ashina8845 I for one think, that austrians are german. And many agree. Austria is another state, but we are the same people. I am bavarian and am much closer to austrians (same dialect, traditions, etc) than to other germans in my own state. But austrians are supposed to be another nation, while Hamburgians are considered “my people“. But thats another matter.
I understand, that flemish arent dutch or are at least another kind of dutch.
Still, you share more with your dutch neighbours, than you do with the wallonian french, you share a state with.
Thats not to say, that Flanders should join the Netherlands. But I think a belgian nation cant exist without either Flanders or Wallonia being the inferior partner.
I think it's you, who do not understand.
It's not about history it's about fairness.
Europe, please stop making a fuck ton of countries .I already struggle with this continent enough on my geography tests.
Haha lol
I agree with you
Racism is a wrong word for this case. I think it's rather "Xenophobia".
"Prejudice" could also be another word used in the case of the woman living in the Flemish speaking area.
Different race, the french have more romance ancestry while dutch are more germanic
Yeah thats probably a language problem for them coming to english
@@lukealadeen7836 they share the same race, white
@@lukealadeen7836 They are both white at the end.
Now its 3 countries with the Wahhabis.
What the interviewer should have asked the Francophone lady was: would Walloon schools have accepted Dutch speaking pupils? Somehow French is seen as superior to Dutch despite Wallonia being poorer than Flanders
Walloon schools do indeed accept Flemish students.
I think its a slap on a face from flanders to walloonia. Back in the old days, walloon or frenchies treat dutch speaking people like a peasants. This is because walloonia is rich at that time. Now its payback time (flanders hold 80% of belgium gdp). I personally dont want belgium to break up because its such a beautiful and most interesting country (i also considering to work at there) But, in order to do this y'all belgians need to make a single political system, not six. Also y'all need to learn them language especially frenchie/walloonian (because most of bilingual are flanders). Or y'all can just use english since it a bussiness language (at least thats what my country/regional neighbour were doing)
Also, to people who read this please answer this question,
Why frenchies have the tendency to be very arrogant, very protective about their culture and sometimes very chauvinistic?.
No racism and bigotry intended. I just curious, because from what i read in the internet,(reddit,Quora and etc) most of them refuse to learn other language or culture. For example, u can look at quebec canada. Some of them refuse to speak english eventhough the country is overwhelmingly anglophones. And the reason is because they want to "preserve" the culture and always brings up the history about french colonization to support their points (eventhough british win fair and square)
like what i said before no racism and bigotry intended. I just want to know because it is what it is and i happened to be curious.
PS: Fuck the separatists. I love Belgium.
I am from the french speaking side of Belgium, I think that the people who don’t want to learn dutch because of french cockiness or something like that are a huuuuge minority. We don’t learn the other langage as much because Brussels is technicaly « bilangual » but in fact everybody speaks french but not eveybody speaks dutch there. Also dutch is not very attractive in the way that it’s only spoken on 3 different country (all of them are very small btw) in the world. And finally i think its also because of the education system, in wallonia you have to choose at the age of 9 (approximately) between learning dutch or english, you can’t choose both so a lot of people prefer to choose English over Dutch (just like myself). You can learn the second langage only during highschool in most case!
@@fagar73 Hi, my Walloon fellow countryman. I'm Flemish (et je pourrais faire ceci en français également tu sais) and I agree with what you're pointing out here.
BUT, the problem here is two-dimentional:
1. To me, being part of a bilingual (mainly, not considering the German-speaking part) country is reason enough to just learn the basics of that language, even though it is only spoken in a few (other) countries. Imagine Estonians refusing to learn Estonian just because it isn't spoken enough world wide... ?
2. We don't blame you guys for choosing English over Dutch. It's a rational choice and a logic evolution in time: You might need it for computers, technical applications, gaming and so on. But the point is that the Walloon government is not willing to change it, nor is any Walloon politician planning on making such a suggestion very soon. Why is that?
I personally didn't mind learning French (j'ose dire que je le parle presque aussi bien que l'anglais), but year after year Flemish students don't care about French anymore. Why not? Because it's probably as hard as Dutch to you guys, but because those students too are figuring out that not the same efforts are being made... Not to mention all the right wing propaganda in politics at times. Apparantly some are so fed up, that they lose their interest for national pride...
I just want to point out the importance of efforts going both ways. That could really make a difference here in our country. Are Walloon politicians not aware of that, or what?
I salute you, mon compatriote!
the élite francophone was flamish
@@ProudTarjaholic hallo , bonjour ( flamand francophone) , i understand that some wallon dont want to work but is not entierely their faut that the communiste fault corrupt that we need to get out.
@@ProudTarjaholic i really like your comment and agréé with you . Surtout que l'anglais n'es même pas une langue officielle do notre royaume
As long as you guys keep making beer I'll be happy
Can’t blame the Flemish for not wanting to live with the French, I mean who does?
Hbsb Lkk yes, the the GDP here goes way down because of the French...
Lol, I meant walloons
@@JasperShoes lol yes, now, but when Wallonia was super industrial and produced a lot of goods it was reverse.
@@JasperShoes West vlaanderen en limburg zijn te samen veel duurder dan heel wallonie bij elkaar.
@@wafelswafels8613 oké en…?
Hi, I want to spread some hope and kindness to everyone here, and more particularly to Belgians.
I am a Walloon from Liège (so I speak French and know a bit of Walloon) BUT I went to study since kindergarten in Limburg (Tongeren more exactly) in the Flanders.
Today I am proud to say that I perfectly speak French (unfortunately not Walloon) and Dutch from Belgium.
I love my fellow Flemish people. They have far more respect for their identity, but don’t fall to the extreme. Most Flemish people that I met were wonderful people and not at all extremist.
I would suggest everyone to learn a bit more about Belgiums history and politics and how it affects us today.
I am a proud Belgian and I really would love to see the Flemish and Walloon people reunite while respecting their differences and making effort to know each other better ❤️
More and more Walloon children at the borders go to Flemish schools to learn Dutch (from Belgium). We are more than what you think 😌
Most Flemish people don't hate Walloos. It just that Flanders has its own identity, wich seems like a stronger one than the Belgian identity. After two world wars we've been thourg a lot together. And maybe me and you have some things in common what could be labeled 'Belgian'. But when I leave Flanders, I feel like I leave my country. I would love for us to be good neigbours, but I'm not Belgian (I couldn't even tell you what it means to be Belgian or what that is). We don't share newspapers, tv, authors, etc.
It's not personal, for me it hasn't anything to do with economics or hate, I just don't see why Flanders is a part of Belgium.
Vlaanderen>
@@lander681Walloon Brabant and Flemish Brabant have been united for a very, very long time. the problem is in the event of separation what do we do for Walloon Brabant and Flemish Brabant which are very linked to Brussels. Walloon Brabant and Flemish Brabant have the same culture but the language is not the same. all the rail lines in Walloon Brabant are all connected to the other Brabant. and in the event of separation, politicians from Walloon Brabant plan to reunite with Brussels instead of Wallonia
@@user-up8cu4qr9v Doesn't North Brabant also exist in the Netherlands?
Why dont Flanders join the Netherlands and Walloonia join France? Sounds like a good solution.
never , we are not two countries but one country and your solution is bad
Thomas Danneau then why are belgians split between flanders and walloonia? They even govern themselves and doesnt work as a central government. It looks as if they want to be apart rather than being together.
+Luqman Nazery it's not walloonia and Flanders but Belgium , and now they are not many separatist in belgium, we live good together
+Thomas Danneau no
I'm Belgian so I know what is better for us. fuck the separatists
Why doesn't Wallonia join France & Flanders join the Netherlands? Sounds like a great solution!
Wallon have their own culture. It not because they speaks french that they are french.
Say at an Irish to join Great Britain just because he speaks English. I think he will not be happy.
Because the French are NOT interested in annexing a piece of a country that's just as broke as their northern departments.
Muhammad Arif Prasetyawan Because you clearly know nothing about Belgium
Read a book, man!
@@wouterhenning8971 we dont want want flanders in our country our country's average iq would drop significantly
6:15 I love how liberals use the word "racist" for pretty much anything they disagree with. If a small town uses a languages and year after year hundreds of people using another language moved in, it's not fair for the first inhabitants. It's not about racism (there are from the same race btw), it's about common sense.
Eric Decamps
Hey dude epic pwned that lib
Eric Decamps read more,
@@autismobinch135 Great response... really mature.
Different race, the french habe more Romance ancestry while dutch are more germanic
The walloons are reluctant to speak any Dutch at all. In Flemish schools we are forced to study french but not the other way around.
SOME* Walloons, not all are reluctant to speak Dutch. French and Dutch should be learnt in school in all Belgium with an option for German or English.
@@belgium2257 I AGREE 100% !! It should be a National obligation
As a flemish person living in west vlaanderen, and working with all kind of poeple alle speaking difrent languages i can say from my line of work i can say most french people cant or just wont even try to speak dutch, or even the other native language german (i speak both) not even English, they just expect u to know frence, also dutch is not as prevlant in Walloonish schools as french is in Flemisch school,
Everything expect the last bit is my expirience with the difrent kind of people in my kind of work.only the last part about the schools is facts...so take that in mind.
They know english and dutch (a bit). english for the younger and dutch for the older people.
But they pretend they don't, they are so damn annoying with their frenchization. Really don't give into it, just answer them in Dutch, always.
It's exactly what they do with us.
If they don't understand, too bad.
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I love my wallonian brothers and sisters but as a Flemish citizen I would love to see my country released from the Belgium (EU) shackles.
Observe the fate of britain, one of the eus most powerful former regions, as to the consequences of splitting from the eu, your options are belgium or the netherlands, you will end up like wallonia economically if you go full independance,
@@davianthule2035 Flanders will never end up as Wallonia. As Wallonia is a landlocked country and also has a more southern culture.
Rejoining the Netherlands is an archaic idea. Flanders and NL already work closely together through the BeNeLux.
I’m more of the opinion that Britain is facing a crisis because of bad management.
The EU in its current form is a disease.
I was in Belgium right before Covid and was lost in Leuven train station. I speak a little French and tried to find my way and the man who worked at the train station said he didnt understand. Finally I told him I am an American and I am lost THEN he said ohhh i just refuse to speak french!! how awful is that?
Crazy
You were in Flanders. Why would you speak French to them? Seems a bit stupid on your part tbh.
Just speak English. I wouldn’t bother speaking French in Flanders-some Flemish people find it rude. I can’t blame them.
@@Lagiacrus1996 because I happen to speak French and Belgium has three official languages. You have the typical US mentality thinking everyone speaks English
@@hinanochick Belgium has 3 official languages. Flanders has 1. They speak Dutch. They don't like Walloonians, it's very insulting that you just assumed they spoke French.
You also have the US problem of thinking everyone online is from the US. I'm not. I live across the border in The Netherlands.
The Walloons vote left, the Flemish vote centrum-right. Whatever goverment is formed, one group is never represented.
Indeed!
That's true for so many countries, have a look at the Polish presidential election for example
@@belgianvanbeethoven Difference between German and Russian ruled parts?
So the story is good. However what analysts tend to forget is that splitting up Belgium ain't as simple as thought. The constitution has immobilized any return to a united Belgian state like before the changes in 1970. This means that the actual federal constellation is like for ever. Note that the actual federal attribution of powers implies a system of money flows from one region to the other. How are supporters of a divided country gonna get a 3 third majority in parliament to split (read art 3 bis and art 107 quater of the constitution) knowing that we have multiple political parties that do not get along. Within the constitution itself there are procedures to prevent from splitting notably the 'alarmbel'procedure when a linguistic group thinks it is set aside. Tell me how. So de facto splitting up Belgium would first legally dissolute the country in a no mans land. What with the position of the crown? Just tell me. So things are legally much more complicated than the wish expressed by politicians. Many professors in state law at universities agree that Belgian public law is more than incomplete and that it shows holes. Expanding regional powers in the actual federal constellation would only complicate money streams and enhance the existing situation of dependence.
My experience is that on the business plan there is no linguistic problem or whatsoever, business is business. Another experience is that on the long linguistic border in Belgium there is no linguistic problem and that the system of language facilities is not needed . These are the facts. Another fact is that the German speaking region in the east of the country declared itself morally independent from the rest of the country although the residents speak all constitutional fixed languages. Basically they are telling us they have already split.Tell me...Americans coming to live in Belgium all learn the local spoken language of the part they are gonna live in. Fact.
Uhu?
@@GeneralSocietyInc Uhu, we sit with it.
@@decnijfkris3706 Where are you from friend? :D
@@GeneralSocietyInc for those who want to change the structure of the Belgian state. For a good 50 years I hear voices in favour of the abolition of the Belgian Senate. It is said to be to costly, it is also said the second lecture of drafts is purely pro forma and it is said the system of cooptation is highly undemocratic. Com'on lets install unicameralism in Belgium, just make your move. I am all ear....
Now someone came up with that idea to do away the Senate, add the Senators to the house of representatives and the Senate will be gone...
People saying Belgium is an artificial creation are fundamentally WRONG. You do NOT know your history.
The United kingdom of the Netherlands (VKN) was a state created in 1815 as a buffer against france after Napoleon.
The VKN held the entire Benelux under its throne. The king was from Dutch origin and basically abused the heavy industry in Wallonia at that time. The Belgians were also underrepresented in Parliament and had little to say. Also, the Netherlands were protestants, Belgians were Catholic. The Dutch king wanted to make everything protestant, the Belgians absolutely didnt want that.
So one night in Brussels, the Bourgeoisie rallied up the townfolk of Brussels. Soon other cities followed suit and a demand was sent to the King. The Belgians demanded more representation in Parliament and more autonomy. The king refused, hence, the Belgians decided to just f*ck of entirely and declared independence.
Now you know the real story.
Interesting. That is not what we learn in Dutch schools. I don't know what the truth is, but here is what we learn. The Dutch king wanted a very modern state (industrialise!). Belgium was already industrialised. He wanted the North to follow. He also wanted one language (Dutch) in his kingdom. He wanted to boost northern harbors (wich would cost Antwerpen) because of the Rhine and the hinterland. In the long run, he wanted to forward protestantism. There is no mention of underrepresentation of the south (although I do believe you) and there is no mention of a demand sent to the King. As we learn it, the uprise was sudden, provoked and supported financially and militarily by France, whilst England and Germany refused to step in to defend the treaty of Vienna (which reunited the Netherlands). The Dutch fought a successful 10 day war, but backed down when France intervened militarily and threatened to declare war. England and Germany did not want a new war. So the Netherlands had to leave. France did not want a border with a united Netherlands because it was too strong and too close to Paris. That is hat we in the Netherlands learn. Funny isn't it? So we see Belgium historically as a French project that is just as difficult to manage as when it was a Dutch project.
Ronald de Rooij Yeah Most of What you Said I Said too. Mainly the language thing and religion thing set of the independence movement.
Also the king was kind of authoritarian. He appointed half of the parliament himself and ministers were responsable to him and not the parliament. The Belgians didnt like this.
More infos about Belgium history here : ua-cam.com/video/kZFluT3O-GE/v-deo.html
Belgium has always been two nations. Just not two states. So please correct the title.
Belgium is the oldest 'country' in Europe. There has always been a link between Flanders and Wallonia since the arrival of the first settlers 2500 years ago. It would be a good idea to read a book from time to time.
That part at 6:22 "I find it a little racist". That's such a weirth thing to say because 1: None such a law exist nor is anyone proposing such a law and 2: Flemish and Walloons are both white.
Also at 7:05 the far right Vlaams Belang nationalists only get about 10% of the votes in recent polls and got 12,28%(-6.70%)in 2010. The nationalist centre-right NVA however got 28,20% in 2010. This video is from 2008.
There are 2 main reasons for Flemish Nationalism: 1 Wallonia costs about 7 billion to 6 million Flemish (12 billion if you account for interests on the national debt that was caused mostly by Wallonia (about 60%)) and 2 Flanders has lost a lot of territory to french-speakers. (Very) Simply put mostly due to bad language education in Wallonian schools.
Brussels has been frenchified because
1) the sole official language of Belgium was French until recently, so Dutch wasn't taught
2) there was no standard Dutch at the creation of the country and the independence was from the Netherlands
3) French was more practical and seen as a superior language
4) Some kind of oppression against the language
I don't know what territories were lost because of bad language education in Wallonia.. ?
@@pawion
_I wish King Philip would make Brussels billingual again_
@@pawion still not an excuse to not teach the dutch language to the new generation.
that women said "the flemish are racist" NO ITS NOT. WE JUST WANT OUR OWN COUNTRY WIT OUR OWN NATIONAISM AND NATIONAL NEWSPAPER
_King Philippe: That is so sad Alexa play despacito_
Je hebt toch een krant. Nieuwsblad, de Morgen, hln,.. Ik heb er niks tegen maar ik vond het deel over kranten een beetje eigenaardig. Ik denk dat nationalisten meer nood hebben aan andere dingen zoals meer autonomie i.p.v. eigen kranten.
No. We do NOT want our own country. From all flemish people only 10% (this was measured with poll) want Flemish indepence. So fuck off with your peasant nationalism.
Wouter Vlaanderen = Gay
Wouter Vlaams nationalisme is een haatdragende stroming, haat voor iets dat je niet eens kent
Welsh/Cymraeg people can relate to this a great deal
If Belgium does split up, what would happen to the German-speaking minority around Eupen and St. Vith in the Walloon province of Liège/Lüttich/Luik?
prob go to wallonia germans trying to get land scares every1
I've seen a documentary about them. Most of them didn't even know who the Belgian politicians are. They study and work in Germany. They would join Germany in a heartbeat.
@@EricDec
_Trust me. The german part is the most "Belgian" part of belgium_
@@Discontinuedalready7372 true
@@EricDec Hitler took their enthusiasm for becoming German citizens away. When the Third Reich occupied Belgium these Belgian Germans indeed became "full" German citizens from whom a total obedience to German law was expected and which possibly also involved being drafted into the Wehrmacht. With free single tickets to the Eastern Front as a bonus.
As Belgians their region has some importance and autonomy under its own government. As Germans they would lose that, becoming some backwater far away from Berlin.
I lived in Belgium for about 6 years and decided voluntarily to go back to my country Morocco. English was a good solution for me when I move from Walloon regions to Flemish ones. Flemish were more intolerant I guess they feel they are victimized by the french speaking Belgians. I found it funny to change guiding language in trains every now and then whenever it move from one province to the other. the Problem is that Belgium is very small country. compare this to the Arab world where one can travel through tens of countries some of them are more than 70 times the size of Belgium such as Saudi Arabia without having to change language.
No. Its just about that most flemish people do not want a big mass of cultural and ethnic foreigners in flanders. And they dont like the french ( walloons) which are in fact the southern part of Belgium.
Has to do with the war, the occupation and that this part of Belgium is the reason why this failed state still exists.
Flanders is more wealthy and more defined by cultural and ethnic identity than the south - so they re about to finance the south.
That's another reason why they dont like them.
I don't really care too much about the economic reasons. We don't share newspapers or tv channels, we idolise different people. We littarly don't know each other, I and most Flemish people don't have Waloon freinds. Flanders has it own history and culture. I don't hate Walloons, but I share more things with a Dutch person than with a Walloon one.
Ik ben een American en ik houd van Vlaanderen. Tot ziens!
The flemmish kind of sounds like ancient Norse
The Norse did settle parts of what is now West-Flanders, so you are not mistaken if you think they sound alike. Even between modern Flemish and Scandinavian, there is common vocabulary.
Do you mean ancient english because Dutch low Saxon is we're 1/4 of the Anglo Saxons came from and Dutch is the the closest to english and is nearly identical to old english.
@@RubberKid100 Nederlands (Netherlandish tounge better known
as Dutch for some reason) and Norsk (Norwiegan tounge) are related languages after all
yuh it sounds ugly
I wander if there are more small countries who have 5 governements for only one little country with a population of 12 miljn
It costs loads of money on politicians on the taxpayer
They should copy Canada and Switzerland
@@soeppoes8949
_Why?_
How can I reach to marie claire Gillard today would like to send email ask about some questions for a academic work. ?
What's funny is that a country with 2 divided cultures can exist into one but some countries with same culture can't unite like Korea, China, and Sudan
sudan split due to religious and also tribal/cultural differences. the whole concept of “sudan” is a western concept, or at least it had been expanded to include people who didn’t identify with it.
Korea and China has developed two cultures de facto. Communist ones and capitalist ones view the world much differently. While South Koreans get excited about World Cup, marriage or unemployment Northerners have other worries.
I would like to see Flanders independent. Belgium can seize now already. It's clearly not working out as hoped for. I may be a bit biased because of what King Leopold did to Africa, but identity should be protected.
Flanders would be better off without Brussels and the Walloons, the economically better part is Flanders and the majority lives in Flanders. This problem will never be solved, first of all Walloons don't learn or speak a word of Dutch while the Flemish must learn French from primary school until highschool. Secondly, the ideological differences are too big. Flanders is right wing while Wallonia is left wing.
@@ashina8845 Hi I come from Wallonia :) if you study in a general section you will have for sure Flemish ! Every year our teacher says that in the last grade we have to have the same level in English and Flemish moreover in 70% of primary school it is mandatory to learn first Flemish , for 30% we can choose between English and Flemish ! So what you say for my generation is flase maybe for these one of my parents / grand-parents :)
@@yourib7914 It's still not mandatory, french in Flanders is mandatory. From my experience I know that most french speakers don't speak dutch unless if they are from Brussels.
@@ashina8845 ... My mother is a dutch teacher , I live in Wallonia . For sure it is mandatory in general section . The only exception is at the border of Germany where a few schools propose German and / or Dutch and in that case a few students choose to learn German instead of Dutch but it's legit German remains an official language of Belgium . ( I don't speak about the german speaking people of course )
@@ashina8845 actually you're right by the law it is not mandatory but all the schools make it mandatory in fact beacause we have to learn 2 unknown languages
Why dont they make it like Bosnia & Herzegovina with two (or more) self governing entities..
BIH has Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Republika Srpska..
You know, that’s already the case. We have three regions: the Flemish region, Walloon region, and Brussels capitol region.
And Bosnia will probably split because state is not functional and nationalism is strong.
The subtitles are hilarious💀
At least they are solving matter like this without war. Something we should learn from. If it was my continent there would have been war and genocide. we should learn from this!
WHY IS IT A SINGLE NATION?
Same reason why Switzerland, with four official languages, is still a country.
@@croatianwarmaster7872 Nope, different languages and cultures.
@@croatianwarmaster7872 What the fuck, no.
@@croatianwarmaster7872 Just Germany and Austria. Netherlands and flenders should get one country. Btw Hercegowina je hrvatska. Pozdrav brate moj
When my grandparents came to USA, the parish priest asked if they we're Flemish or Walloons. My grandparents said Flemish. Parish priest said "Oh good". 😂😂😂😂
Belgium gave us chocolate and van damme
Flanders did.
Chocolate comes from central america, the spaniards has bring the choclate to Europe!
@@martiglesias60 there is a reason no one associates chocolate with the shitty part of America.
@@Sperminski bullshit!
@@martiglesias60 Example?
Julianne's 🐧 reminded me of A Christmas Story
Finland calmly live with two state languages--Finnish and Swedish.
and Sami?
I don't dislike ethier part of Belgium but I think that the Flemish should join the Netherlands and the wallons should join France. It just dose not make sence to have Belgium.
lol
How rude? We are a country with our own culture who have enough reasons to exist. And we have always existed. Julius Caesar said that the Belgians were the bravest among the Gauls. In many areas, the Flemish are very different from the Dutch. We could never go together. You say that purely because we speak the same language and that is a stupid reason. It’s like saying that Ireland should join the UK again, will never happen. Two different nations.
@@olypav4593 Belgians are Latin french with a bit of celtic blood. And the Flemish are still mostly germanic
So Austria should join Germany?
@@notthefather3919
anschluss v2💀💀💀 ww3 incoming 🕰
vlaanderse schools and tennis courts do not exept french speakers becauce vlaanderse people simpely do not speak french, just as the wallonische side of belgium doesn't speak dutch, its not racist, its just common sense, if they both would learn dutch and french then this would never happen.
Btw engish is not my 1st lanquage, just so before you judge me on my spelling.
+@@bichlasagna9860 Nor is it mine, but most people in Europe do have an acceptable level of English and besides that, there are things like Google translate or auto correct for people like you...
Belgique unie toujours !!
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Pourquoi? L'indentité des Flamands est plus fort que de la Belgique
@@lander681
Pour toi c'est ta culture , mais en Belgique n sont tous flamins ....
Salut de la cotee' de Charleroi
And I'm sure in several years time California or Texas will become like this- divided between Spanish and English populations
There is no such thing as a Belgian the ethnicity doesn't exist. In history you can see that no country drawn by foreign powers will exist sooner or later troubles start unfortunately. The people don't have a problems with eachother that much it is the politics the Richer North is right and the South is left which is bound to cause problems. Everybody on earth has their right for self determination and happiness why not the Flemish?
_There are Flemish people who disagree on partition of Belgium and ofcourse, theres no such thing as a Belgian race just like there is no American or Canadian race_
@@Discontinuedalready7372 thats not true for Thailand though, Thai is an ethnic group. In Southern Thailand, there's a separatist movement because Indonesia sees the southern border as part of Malaysia because they encouraged their people to settle to that area of Thailand...
You forget that the Walloons kept us fed until the early sixties.
I like Belgium as it is with it’s different territories ❤ please stay like that its what makes belgium beautiful and exciting 😊💓
2 different races so racist is the cirrect term. the french have more romance ancestry while dutch are more germanic
the French and the Dutch ?
Yep
There are 2 things i cant stand... people who are intolerant of other peoples cultures, and the dutch
Wildboy789789 oi why not
@@Dietsch_ its a joke from austin powers... but it makes sense now because it seems the dutch are intolerant of other cultures... but still funny because that makes me intolerant of the dutch, its just a joke i found relevant... honestly im not racist against anyone except the slavic people, cant stand em
Wildboy789789 intolerant? The only “intolerant” thing happening here is us wanting to close the border for another flood of migrants bruh
16 years later and the far-right Flemish independence party has become the country's largest
Finally, Belgium and also the rest of Europe shall become a confederal state, not a federal one. A choice shall have to be made what we want to do together and what we want to do regional. Together we are stronger but culture is untouchable.
That's funny how they depict Stavelot as a poor town with poor people. That's clearly not the case!
al jazeera: "their language as the last thing that ties french speaking belgians to brussels"
Quote Homer Simpson "Stupid Flanders"
J suis carolos et fiere de l'etre ....
The less developed south is for unity, while more developed north is more interested in split up? similar happened with yugoslavia, croatia and slovenia didn't want to stay with serbia... but serbia went to war only with croatia cuz there was a signicifant serb minority of 15% in total... so if there was a slovenia-croatia union today, slovenia would also want to leave it
Don’t do a split unite guy the power of friendship
Is Herman Von Rumpoy Walloon or Flemish?
Van RompUy: Flemish
Flament
Flander should join Netherland and Belgium should only wallon left
Yes.
It's funny, this VB chairman claims we never had a Belgian identity. We were suppresed by the french early in our development, this has changed and they see us as equal now. Did you guys watched the world cup footbal? You should tour around in Belgian and count the Belgian flags, then count the "Flemisch" flags. Then make judgements yourself. We are Belgians, not only because we are born here, but because we all have the same values in life. We will not let racism/dumb people divide us. To my fellow Belgians, we stand united, we will always be united and no snake of a politician can change that!
Het WK is dan ook het enige moment dat beide regio's zich achter één gemeenschappelijk iets zetten. En wat zijn die Belgische waarden waar je over spreekt? Wat is een Belg? De Vlaamse identiteit is sterker dan de Belgische. De Vlamingen hebben hun eigen geschiedenis met eigen autheurs, kranten, tv-programma's, taal, enz. Wanneer ik de taalgrens oversteek voel ik me in het buitenland. Ik heb absoluut niets tegen Walen, er is natuurlijk ook een Belgische identiteit die we delen, alleen voel ik me meer Vlaming dan Belg. Ik zie ze eerder als goede buren, ik heb het goed met ze voor en econmische redenen laten me onverschillig. Maar we zijn twee verschillende gemeenschappen. Het zou voor beide beter zijn moest men de federale overheid laten vallen en beide regio's ovet hun eigen lot laten beslissen.
What do languages have to do with anything? MONEY is all that matters. NB (for sentimental souls) Since the arrival of the first settlers (2500 BC) there has ALWAYS been a link between both parts of what's now Belgium. We can be considered as the oldest country (union, entity) in Europe. Politicians are the ones exploiting language-related issues for keeping their seats. I doubt if anyone knows only one story of hostilities between Walloon and Flemish employers. The people who really matter don't waste time discussing futilities.
Yes, it's a political "game", dutch-speaking + french-speaking + german-speaking Belgians don't fight each others in streets like some people would like to happen, we are all friendly.
THE problem is That flanders a dutch speaking region is and over THE past soooooooo Many walonians came to flanders and dont try to learn english thats why we must be mad About this
omg y'all are so dumbbbbbb
Learning to speak two languages is essential
FLANDERS-WALLONIE
Or as the president of the Walloon socialist party said : the Flemish like to work and the Walloons like to go fishing instead. Solidarity means that everybody must do his equal share and work. There is an abundance of work and vacanties in Flanders but where are the Walloons to come and work here ?
Instead about 1 million foreign workers do the job and Walloons are complaining they have no work !
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Its about not being stable and stealing money
Why Wallons in Belgium don't want to learn Flemish (Dutch) language?
Because learning a language is very difficult and can take a lot of time and money.
BELGISTAN!!!
A very tolerant country..........apart from the Islamic minority who think that homosexuality should be illegal and women should obey their husbands.
Europe, 2016, fuck yeah!!!!!!!
I am not a muslim but i really don t care about homosexuals asking for things nature made impossible for them to get.
Homosexuality is of nature, any dipshit with google can figure that out.
over thousand of species in Nature that have Gay sex and gay couples.
Religion is the thing that is not natural.
Canada is not reverse Belgium the flemish is the majority i know that because my familly and ancestor was flemish.
Free Tibet!
To summarize: The Flanders taxpayers pay for the unemployed Walloons and for their too-big public sector. The Flemish are not happy about it and want to break up.
Belgium is one creepy place. You can feel the tension amongst different groups as you walk around. I was glad to leave.
I can already know by your comment you didnt actually went there. Belgium is a very peaceful country with 2x more rights and freedom than even America for example.
max miser Then you must have visited a very shitty neighbourhood, yes there are some parts of cities you don't want to be in just like EVERY other country has those parts of cities. But to see 1 thing happening and saying an ENTIRE country and its people is creepy is just being stupid..
If you read again you will see it is not just one thing.The place just seemed like it could kick off at any moment.
Yes other countries have unsavoury parts but i've never got the feeling i had in Belgium anywhere else i have visited.
max miser the entire country is not a creepy place, I live in Belgium and I am not saying this because I am from belgium and I love my country (because I actually want to move as soon as possible due to the politics). I feel more safe in the streets in Belgium than in any other country.
Quick example, I was in California (palm springs area) for 2 months this christmas and we were already told on the first day not to go to certain parts when it gets dark. 3 days in America, a massive shooting in a aburtion hospital occured really close to our place, the day after some mecixans got shot (we heard helicopters the entire night). It seems so normal for them that people shoot each other dead on the street that the news just gets reported between the weather and the traffic like it's just a 'normal thing'. Or that time in san fransisco pier when a crazy guy just killed a random tourist from australia with a gun.. Yes, those places are indeed WAAY safer than our streets....
ja belgium is not creepy
Belgium turn to belgistan islamic republic very soon.
Ha..... Ha. -.-"
You dont live in Belgium dude, we have a lot of cultures and i love to see that
YOU FUCKING DONT LIVE IN BELGIUM. SO HOW DO YOU FUCKING KNOW. WE HAVE DIFFERENT CULTURES.
SO PLS SHUT UP!
AND YOU'RE COUNTRY IS FULL OF MUSLIMS TOO.
Ehh you mean Poland ? No its an exact opposite actually
mony rules all
AVV VVK
Alles voor vlanderen, vlanderen voor kristus. Het is grappig om te zien dat we aan de voet van dit monument van Vlaams nationalisme de begraven lichamen vonden van twee soldaten: een Waals en een Vlaams.
Nee, men is er praktisch zeker van dat vier plaatselijke ontmijners verantwoordelijk waren voor de aanslag. De Ijzertoren, oorspronkelijk nochtans een vredesmonument voor de gesneuvelde soldaten, werd tijdens de oorlog politiek gerecupereerd door het collaborerende VNV. Die associatie heeft ertoe geleid dat na de oorlog veel stemmen opgingen, vooral bij het verzet en de liberale partij, om het monument na de oorlog te slopen.
Belgium will split, but not soon. Not during my lifetime at least. Maybe in 100 years. But it will split. I don't think France or the Netherlands will be any bigger. That is not the point.
It will be better to split it sooner than later. A lot of animosity was created by the Walloons for forcing their language and culture and sense of superiority over the flemish in the past. Look what they did to Brussels. It is an enclave of French speakers inside the Dutch-speaking territory. Not by natural ways but by force.
Belgium needs the EU to survive. That is all I can say
@@dgray3771 Yes, I guess you ar right. I am not aware of force being used (as in use of weapons) by Walloon people, but whatever. I am looking from the outside.
@@dgray3771 It was mostly the French-speaking Flemish elite who oppressed the Flemish people though and not the Walloons.
@@bluedevil3765YES
Qu'est que c'est... "Belgian apartheid?"
Apartheid isnt that a dutch/flemish word?
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the solution to this is simple just become a bilingual country like Canada
You don't seem to understand French culture. The norther (Dutch) part already is bilingual, it's the southern part (French) that refuses to be bilingual because they think that they are the best in the world. When I visited Toronto, I met many who spoke good French as a second language. But when I visited Quebec, almost no one knew English or spoke it very brokenly.
LOL! Most Canadians can't speak French though. And I'm not jiving at their Canadian French, most Canadians simply can't speak any French. I'm in Idaho. I still haven't found a Canadian that can speak any French, they laugh and say that's eastern Canada. So that doesn't necessarily resolve anything.
Noel Molina Real ? Have you ever in Canada??????? Most bilinguals in Canada , live in Québec! it is a fact( statistics)! Most native english speakers in Canada are unilinguals!
I'm sure you've never been to Canada because even in Quebec there are English-speakers who can't speak good French and Quebecois who refuse to speak English.
Yes but for long . Quebec wants to separate from Canada.English speakers who live in Quebec ,have to set up home schooling groups if they want their children to do their primary schooling in English .At the moment their children can do their secondary schooling in English ,but this may stop.
Can't wait for Belgium to split up just so Russia and Serbia can be the first ones to recognise 2 new independent countries. xD Lol. Karma.
The few that want break the country ??? 😂😂 the Flemish nationalist are with 44% the leading party in belgium
No were not falling apart. Were a succesfull nation. As the first Guy Said, there are only a couple people wanting a Split.
Yes, Wallonia is Poor. Flemish is rich. This is due to the current mood in Wallonia Which still thinks Wallonia is the big industrial area.
When the Belgians left Rwanda and Burundi they empowered the Tutsi minority over the Hutus. That in a long run led to the Rwandan genocide history will not forget. Although the possibility of such atrocity not likely to happen in the heart of Europe a cultural division that could split the country into two already and clearly exists. talk about bad Karma
dude! that sounds like almost the entire population of that country at that time. What was the population size of Congo(Kinshasa) in the 20's?
I agree. that's a lot of number. even a thousand is a lot. It was a silent holocaust that may have happened in a long period of time(50 years. besides I read the entire article you posted above and came across 'the main cause of the population decline was disease . . . ' ). I think what makes the genocide in Rwanda horrific is, it happened in a relatively short period of time(just in a hundred days, an estimated number between 500,000 - 1,000,000 people were killed). the accuracy of the numbers in both cases are disputed by some scholars. The Rwandan genocide is fairly recent and could be more accurate. But still, even the unjust death of an individual by itself should be condemned
@@ian1064 My dear, it is not a competition about who suffered the most or who lost the most. Have some common sense and basic human sympathy.
fucking slaughter house
kkk?
Europe, do not abandon Christianity! Every human being commits sin and they keep us away from God. There is only one way to reconcile with our heavenly father: by repenting of our mistakes, confessing them, forsaking them and accepting Jesus Christ as our only Lord and Savior, who suffered and died on the cross to pay for our sins in our place. . God loves you and has a place in heaven reserved for you. Read the Bible, seek it and accept it in your life.
2 cultures ? let me have a laugh. we're all very Belgian, even the flemish seperatists, we just don't watch bullshit sitcoms in other languages.
hm there is still a difference in cultures for example look at the way we vote. Wallonia votes very left and Flanders right
Why is regionalism so wrong? Try to rule a country having to constantly speak two languages.. Switzerland has some sort of confederalism. Why can't Belgium have that? Stop demonizing politics.
Its because i feel more flemish then belgian. There is no such thing as "belgian nationalism."
#vlaanderenonafhankelijk
I don't care
I was born and live in Flanders. believe me, these people are xenophobian.
Middle Eastern username checks out.
Baguette
belgian fries,waffles,chocolate,beer,... all this stuff where belgium is famous for,is from flanders. antwerp and bruges are also flemish and wallonia is seen as a region with dirty cities,lik for example: liège
Bad beers. Chimay is ok and i must confess that La Chouffre is good. I am from belgium so don't say that i don't know anything about belgian culture. You're just jealous
Perhaps to everything from flanders... Can you even speak dutch?
Nope, Leuven. Thought you were from wallonia.. Whatever. Why do you like wallonia?
NINJAGAMING 3380 you're irish what do you know about it