How I Care For Serial Killers At High Security Hospitals | Minutes With
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2024
- In this episode of Minutes With, Gwen Adshead gives us an insightful account of her 30-year career as one of the UK's leading forensic psychiatrists. Gwen recounts her experience working beyond the walls of the UK's high security prisons and hospitals. Gwen recounts meeting the Yorkshire Ripper inside Broadmoor, hearing about the ways murderers cut up bodies and offers us an unprecedented look inside a therapy session with a serial killer.
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Thank you to Gwen Adshead for taking part in this episode. You can purchase Gwen's latest book The Devil You Know by following this link and using the code Event20 for a 20% discount: www.faber.co.uk/product/9780571357604-the-devil-you-know/
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Your work is "real" yeah...........so is everyone else's work,.......their work is real. Stacking shelves......real.....call centre....real....uber bike delivery ...real.....middle manager in a wholesale......real.................how dear you have the ordesity/territory to make claim to the word "real".............you muppet............
I’ve read her book and it’s utterly fantastic.
I won't be purchasing her book.
I'd really love to hear more from her and people with her job
She's a serial healer, bless her heart.
She's not healing them, tahts a little beyond her professional abilities.
Love this analogy!
Yes in some sense: she's part of the solution that is breaking the cycle of abuse/retribution. Kind of a badass imho.
Why give care to people who cared so little for their victims.
@@thomasschiuma8105 ... I'm sorry, are you saying you think that serial killers can be "cured" from their wickedness?
The compassion and care she displays are something we can all learn from. Compassion and care will do more to fix the ills of society than punishment and vengeance.
Not compassion for these animals
Yes 🙌🏼 I try to live this no matter how dark my heart might get day to day.
If you believe that liberal bullshit then you live in fantasy land partner
Compassion? Wonder how much compassion their victims felt as they breathed their last breath? Shame on you
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheritrix5733you're a reactionary. like the Nazis. hopefully some day you'll realize that the prison system creates recidivism and only saps money away from taxpayers, meanwhile in Nordic countries such as Denmark, Sweden, and Norway, they have some of the lowest recidivism rates in the entire world because of the fact that they focus on rehabilitation, job training, and acclimating prisoners to productive civilian life
Retired paramedic here. In my 23 years of working alongside many healthcare professionals with many titles and initials behind their names. Not many people have this level of knowledge or compassion for their fellow man. I hope she finds her career has been and continues to be successful because of who she is as a provider and a person.
Hopefully one day she will focus her gift on people that really need it, who have a future and whose lives are worth investing in.........
@@ThatTaRaGiRLI suspect that she would tell you that the work she does is worth it to her
@@ThatTaRaGiRLI’m pretty sure she thinks her job is worth it
@ThatTaRaGiRL what an ignorant comment. If you “care” about people you don’t even know that much, whose lives are “actually worth investing in”, I would think you’d be grateful for a forensic psychiatrist doing the good work she does. Because God only knows-some of these British prison sentences are frighteningly short & not at ALL adequate… many criminals will eventually be released… a “life sentence” or a “whole life tariff” in the UK usually has fine print attached to it, like “life in prison…with a minimum of 30 years served before parole consideration”. So if they don’t get this sort of help at some point, before they’re released, they could go on to do it again!
I mean, it’s well publicized & known that certain horrific British killers are now free, served less than 20-30 years, now living under new identities. Meanwhile the paparazzi & news end up finding them shopping and their picture gets plastered all over every newsstand and magazine. So we can only hope they got some good therapy while locked up…
So be glad she’s helping counsel these people AT ALL…
@@erikm8372 Sorry, but you clearly weren't paying attention to ALL my comments. I said it is a waste of tax dollars to waste the time on these monsters that are spending their LIFE in prison.... LIFERS 🙄 Tax dollars should be going towards people that are actually acting like human beings out here in the real world, who actually need the help! I don't pity a murderer, I don't care a out a murderer, and as far as I'm concerned, they're not on the same level as regular, every day humans who have this thing called EMPATHY, and a moral compass! Nobody is perfect, sure, but we're not all going around hacking people up when we don't get out way, either!! Including CHILDREN 🤬🔥 So save your pity party for someone that cares. Anyone that commits crimes as heinous as serial killers, child predators/murderers etc ARE NOT GETTING OUT before they're freaking dead, anyway! And I was pretty sure this show was based in Australia...I could be wrong about that one, though, and if I am then I will stand corrected.. but that little piece of info pales in comparison to the larger topic at hand here. Would you have all this sympathy and a buttery melted heart for someone that brutally murdered one of YOUR family members? Yeah... I'm sure you will skate around that one just for the sake of argument. There's no point in even responding, because I'M NOT CHANGING MY MIND. Unless you're just trying to look "better" in front of everyone else, there's no point in talking to ME.... and which opinion is "better" is COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE... I see MANY people here that share my opinion- are you going to start fighting with them ALL? 😅 Well good luck with that👍🏻
Take care!
Corrections nurse here. This woman is top notch. It’s very hard to come across true compassionate providers to care for everyone in the human population.
@i.am.heather You have my deepest respect. I'm a psychiatric NP, formerly RN, and I know what it takes to be kind and professional in a harsh environment. It's a balancing act. Sadly, what people often don't understand is that people in our position don't have time or the inclination to judge our patients' mistakes. One simply can't work that way.
@@MissNurseNoirthank you for your kind words. 🩷
It’s very difficult to care for people that may or may not have sexually assaulted a child, murdered their spouse, beaten their wife, etc. I try not to look at charges but sometimes the inmates committed something so heinous, they’re in the news. I’ve seen it. I’ve seen some of the worst humans to walk the planet, but they’re still my patients and even though many would disagree - they still have basic human rights to food, water, shelter, clothing, *healthcare*. Sometimes these folks have been framed (especially the women), but at the point I’m caring for these folks, they haven’t been tried yet. It’s essentially a hold, so everytbjng is alleged even if they robbed the bank in broad daylight and the entire incident was caught on camera. 🤦🏼♀️ I did my absolute best to take care of these people. I am a Christian and did my best to emulate Christ’s love and compassion for absolutely everyone. There were some bad seeds, but I’d like to think the good outweigh the bad.
ETA… while the inmates are awaiting trial, they receive therapy services. Many of these inmates are victims themselves. I can’t tell you a percentage of them that were abused in every way possible as a child by multiple adults in their lives. They were failed. I’d say 99/100 of them experienced some form of abuse and/or severe trauma. I feel there’s both a psychological and biological trigger for them to where they’re predispositioned to commit violent acts. Just my opinion…
Your job is important and very difficult as well. ❤ I was a nurse for 20 yrs and now have a MA in Forensic Psychology. Corrections takes a lot of cajones
It seems to me the interviewer wants the more sensational details, like the mention of the serial killer and moving bodies, and the psychiatrist gently and gracefully shoots those questions down. I like that about her because those circumstances are so rare, we can't expect that kind of behavior from everyone who she treats.
could be! sometimes interviewers ask from the audience’s perspective who are likely biased, so those preconceived notions can be addressed
@@niadavis7171exactly my thoughts. These are questions that most people would have. It makes sense to ask the expert so she can debunk any misinformation
@@young__blacksmithyes, and an ethical psychiatrist wouldn’t go down that road. It’s nice to see her keep her ethics in tact and stick to her job.
yeah, that's pretty pathetic of the interviewer.
She was very meticulous in her answers, beautifully well done, and very inspiring
which answers in particular did you find 'meticulous' ? what is your opinion on said answers ?
yes she has such a calm energy about her and soo empathetic ( like all psychiatrists should be )
@justletmesigninokthx She's very careful not to downplay any emotions of either side, whether it be victim or attacker. You're being annoying for reasons I don't understand.
@@Trident_Gaming03don't downplay the emotion............that way.........muppets won't focus...........on ACTUAL loss of life, loss of father, loss of a mother, loss of a brother or sister or a son or daughter...............I wonder how far your compassion will extend when it's one of your family (mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter)..........yeah let's see your YT comment Compassion then.
@@markjones1337 You could've put a third of the ellipses you did and still get your point across lol
So what are you upset about exactly? Me complimenting the forensic psychiatrist for respecting her clients?
Love the fact she went full gansta at the end "this shit is real". I respect this woman.
Yes. When she had Peter Sutcliffe pointed out to her she was like, "And?" She's hard as nails.
I rewatched a couple of times, the only time she broke character
@@Chase_Your_PassionI don't think she was actually breaking character. It is real and you can't read someone's mind based on their physical appearance.
"It's hard to engage with people who are in denial of reality" *nods in American*
Literal fascists running half the country and people pretend like it's normal.
How do Americans nod? 😂
@@cortneybass5714 Fentanyl is a big one.
@@cortneybass5714 With a Big Mac stuffed in their mouth 😁
(jk)
@@gsomethingsomething2658 Big Macs are disgusting. 🤢
That smile in her eyes when asked about her childhood and how she'd go to the library with her mum...so precious
It reminded me of summertime book club. Do people even go to physical libraries anymore?
@@katrinat.3032 i live in New Zealand, in a small country town and our library is still used. My son loves going
@@mumsie8578fellow kiwi here and I regularly visit the library and it is always packed! Such a special place
Even her tone of voice, although likely developed through practice, makes this interview entirely soothing and fascinating. I’d love to hear more from her!
i agree, what an interesting person. I hope to find a podcast with her in
me too
Me too !
She's very warm and intriguing
she’s incredibly unbiased and professional. no bs or dramatization for the cameras. i bet she’s great at her job.
This woman has a sense of calm and peace that would be so useful in this setting. She is compassionate, articulate, warm and intelligent. I also like her commitment to self-reflection.
When you are counseling people you yourself have to have supervision counseling
@india1422 yes, I know. I used to work in a DD drug and alcohol residential therapeutic community. I have met therapists with some really weird vibes though. I like the feel of this lady.
@@apt5044 I know what you mean. There’s great psych health care providers out there, but in the mental health arena there is a certain amount who were drawn into d/t their own unresolved issues
The saddest thing is that most of those crimes are preventable. Mental illness is shrugged off until it escalates.
Yes. There are very real barriers to receiving mental health care. Especially financial barriers. Imagine being mentally unwell and poor. You’ll likely continue to spiral downward until something awful happens and the system pulls you in
No, it's that these people know how to hide, never trust a psychopath.
No, it is very hard to prevent those things. It Seems to you that it was easy because you Know what happened, so everything before that moment seems logical to you. But, in reality, there is an endless list of risky people with risky minds and in delicate situations. Some, or even many, of those examples never escalate and everything stays in their minds, but some of them do. Law sistems are full of flaws everywhere, but even in case of trying to do the best, it is impossible to make perfect selections of "fatal ones" and "problematic but not fatal ones". And you can't just put everybody in institutions and prisons before having really solid arguments. Sad,tragic, but unfortunately that's how it is. Human mind is very complex.
@@iks9120majority of people who murder, don’t have mental health problems. 😳😳
I don’t think it’s all that “preventable” tbh.
Huge respect for this lady. What an ability to see the humans (and the pain) behind the acts that many would consider "evil".
How would you name the actions of serial killer??
@lolapapa5297 in psychology they don't reference their actions as evil. Because it prevents them from getting better.
@@lolapapa5297sadistic maybe? Depends on why they did what they did
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@@UwUImShio it is more professional osychoanalitical speaking🙏
What i most admire about her is the fact she said all
her patients were not “evil” but “sad”, and she also had compassion for the people who comitted such acts of violence. She is like the bright light you find at the end of a dark road, a beacon in the darkness. Her heart shines bright for you and fights for you to be at peace with yourself even if it seems impossible, whatever the circumstance, this lady is a very special person indeed.
Not always but in some cases I'm sure, if compassion had been shown to the criminal earlier, maybe things would be different. Maybe not.
People that paint people as good/evil are generally a bit thick.
She’s like a earth angel. Most could never have compassion for such crimes but none judgement and compassion for everyone is key.
Some people are evil, not sad.
When you say "bright light" did you actually mean "dingy puddle"?
I absolutely needed to hear this today. Hearing her say the worst she comes across are parents who abuse their children and are in denial. That’s so incredibly validating. Thank you
I'm sorry for what happened to you, Friend. Wishing you healing and success! 💰 ❤️
Her answers were excellent, extremely intelligent and perceptive. I appreciate her answer at the end of the interview about the cost of revenge.
I worked with Gwen at a medium secure unit and shes an expert at her job
I am a psychological therapist working with children and young people in care. Unfortunately I know these back stories all too often. It is a tragic state of affairs to all involved.
This lady is on a higher level of understanding. Intelligence in all its forms are being demonstrated here. Beautiful interview towards a dark subject 🙏
And it will only continue more and more until your group gets more proactive to prevent unnecessary harm. Your job of waiting for something bad to happen will never work in a trillion years. You have to PREVENT the seed and roots of the problem. Only the philosophy of antinatalism can do that.
This is such a fascinating interview. In a strange way it helped me feel a lot better about people who do harmful and horrible things; to know that they are still very human and that the violence harms their mental health as well is sad but it shows that there is still a person in there. Its comforting to hear that these people don't claim to be victims, and that the system of punishment includes mental health care.
Was this new for you?
Jesus christ........
@@vivienm2037 It might look obvious on the surface and be obvious to you but people gain perspective on seemingly obvious things all the time.
For example, me and a friend often tell each other about various experiences and our feedback often exposes to each other things that seem obvious to us both when said, but actually it took each of us to reveal that to the other. That's us giving each other perspective that we alone hadn't yet seen and I think videos like this can give similar perspective to people too
Well, sorry to say, it doesn’t make me feel better to know how people commit horrible things. Reality, there is evil and good in this world and we make choices.
@@annmarie4794 There's good and evil within all of us you could say, light and dark. If you are able to experience empathy and understanding for others who do bad things then it's easier to give that to the darker parts of yourself too. It doesn't mean you yourself will become a monster or that you don't care about the damage bad deeds can cause or that we shouldn't be responsible for our actions, just means you won't judge yourself and others as hard
@@annmarie4794the world is far too big for things to only exist in black and white. we shouldnt look at everything in absolutes.
The amount of sheer empathy this lovely person has is so refreshing
Sadness and grief are the most apt words to describe how I feel as a mother whose only child is quite schizophrenic. Thank you for shedding compassion and light into the lonely corners of this terrible darkness. Bless you Dr. Gwen
As a mother of a chronically ill child I just want to tell you: You are a very brave woman. Your life must be so hard. For me it was helpful to find out what are my resources that can actually make me feel better and to focus on them when times are especially hard. (Reading fiction novels for escape, having various animals, even exotic ones, meditation/meditative prayer, early Christian faith in a not all powerful but only good god that awaits me at the end of my life, "positive" crime movies where everything ends well for the heroes and some more).
I wish you all the best and hope that your child gets the right medication to improve in health. I once met a young man with schizophrenia who had been through all sorts of treatment and hospitals. After years of useless treatment doctors finally found out that his lithium level was too low. For unknown reasons his body couldn´t uphold a normal lithium level. When he got lithium pills his mental problems vanished. He was so happy and grateful for this medication!
So never give up - there might be a solution/improvement just round the corner (easy to say I know, I have to tell it to myself very often....)
The all-loving God bless and help you!
For those who think her showing compassion for these people is terrible, and what about the victims, I'd say this; What she does helps get into the minds of these people, why they did those things, etc. In a very significant way, doing so gives us a chance to recognize the symptoms of extreme mental illness that leads to violence, which may lead to less violence/fewer victims in the future, and also could help future victims understand what happened to them (help them to cope, to not blame themselves, etc). Her job is not just about the perpetrators.
Also, I wonder how many actually watched the entire video?
I don’t know what comments you’re reading
I don't know why people find it hard to understand that you can have compassion for both serial killers AND their victims...
Her intelligence is so outstanding, I could listen to her soft voice forever
I did my OT Residency in a max security state hospital (US). This is a perfect explanation of how I feel about my time there. She describes everything perfectly, and it’s so validating to hear another healthcare professional with the same thoughts. The stories are sad; not scary or evil.
This lady is so well spoken. Her compassion and careful wording are astonishing. She deserves a medal.
Compassion and empathy is a quality that is missing in so many facets of life these days.Gwen displays both of those qualities so lucidly and admirably. Thanks for doing what you do.
It is empathy and compassion that prevents us from harming or killing others,
What an intelligent, wise and amazimg woman. Everyone should see this.
This woman's grace and compassion are remarkable.
I really appreciated when shevsaid that under the right or same circumstances it could have been her. I have been a corrections nurse since covid and i have thought that same thing.. other nurses and staff are often surprised to see that I genuinely care for the incarcerated. I learned a long time ago about unconditional positive regard, i think its in my genes. Anyway, enjoyed this interview! Thanks
incredible
11:02 what she said here is very real. When my best friend committed suicide and I was responsible for all the funeral arrangements I also went into a kind of "functional mode" where i was dissosiacted, even thinking back to that period the memory feels like a nightmare episode too.
So I guess these extreme neurological shocks be they self inflicted through murder or caused by the death of a loved one, reactions can be quite similar which is ironic.
Consider the concepts of "blood debts" or honor killings, just hurt people reacting in a faulty way, hurting themselves and other who in turn hurt the next people, just waves of suffering (grief) for everyone involved.
Oooh that got dark quick. Hey we can also spread waves of love and kindness like this dear Mrs Gwen Adshead. Thanks for your service to humanity in talking to these lost souls and thus surgically removing and rerouting their pathological thought patterns. You're literally a healer of the fabric of our shared field of consciousness as humanity. Good stuff.
It's great you express your self!🥰😊 I think it's a shame there aren't standard classes that teach emotional balance. Maybe someday people in general will understand the importance of that. ❤🌍🌎🌏🌐
This is so well written and I couldn’t agree more, I’m sorry for your loss I hope you’re doing well 🤍
Interesting. Now I think back on it, I had a similar experience when one of my best friend's passed away due to suicide. Also, focusing on who might potentially fall victim to the "domino effect" took up almost all my energy as well. A difficult experience.
There's so much pain in this world. What a fascinating woman.
She’s absolutely brilliant. Insane communication skills!
My grandmother used to teach in prison. People like this are invaluable in rehabilitation of criminals
This is exactly the type of person you would want working in her line of work. Empathetic, compassionate, and thoughtful.
Her commitment to empathy and compassion is inspiring. I think that empathy and compassion are most valuable in situations where being empathetic and compassionate is most difficult. She displays this beautifully and is making a positive difference in the world.
You have to be a tough minded person to try and put yourself into the shoes of some of the darkest souls that live today. Staring into the abiss and all that. Much respect to this woman.
My bf had a psychotic break from smoking too much weed and was extremely violent, had to call the police and he was warded at a psychiatric hospital. I think he would've killed me if the psychosis continued because of the illusions he was under. He has since recovered and was horrified by his actions. Yeah just putting it out there because a lot of people don't know the risk of marijuana - it's like playing Russian roulette, you never know if the psychoactive compounds can cause you to mentally break.
I'm trying to quit and this hits hards damn. Glad you're okay❤❤
Weed is indeed doing brain damage, toxic to the body, thus brain.
So many plants are toxic to your body.
People laugh when i say that, because they use it or want to try it.
You where lucky to survive this all.
You did the right thing and probably you feel guilt, but you had no choice, because your instinct kicked in for survial.
This lady is exceptional. Her compassion for everyone involved in these terrible events is amazing. She is also very realistic about the human condition.
The interviewer was extremely skillful in bringing out so much insight from this amazing lady.
what a gorgeous person. if everyone only had a drop of the compassion this woman has the world would be a better place
I'm a behavior specialist in a forensic psychiatric state hospital in the US. I never thought i'd know any murderers and now i know many. The most striking bit is how normal so many of them seem, even in comparison to the patients with zero violent crimes.
What an extraordinary person. My mother is a psychotherapist and I see a lot of my mother in her. It was really tough to grow up with severe mental health issues and a mother who's a psychotherapist, but now that I am an adult and have an easier time seeing things from an outside perspective I can see what an amazing woman my mother is. Not just for her work, but for adopting me - a child she was more or less certain would have extreme hardships mentally, and for her to be there for me even when I absolutely didn't deserve it. Thanks for this video, it not only taught me loads about the way the mental health system works and doesn't work in the UK which is always interesting _(I'm Swedish and live in Norway),_ but it made me think of mum, and that was really nice!
Respect to her and her work. I couldn't do it but I admire people who can and do.
im impressed by her humbleness and the human respect she has for her clients which are extremely strong indicators to me that she is very good at what she does.
FINALLY someone I respect. She has empathy for everyone. Ive been in prisons both regular plus hospitals, psychiatric wards and every forensic psychologist and hosptial staff has treated me badly. To the point where I'm not even honest or open anymore.
Instead of relying on nonsense "moral codes" ie No hurtin woman,kids,animals, spree killin, ect. List goes on.
She instead sits down and helps them change through level headedness and perspective. No one can change it you just treat them like an animal all you'll get is a worse person.
I have schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. My therapist is incredible and I love her, but I chose to admit myself to a hospital after a delusion induced suicide attempt like 6 years ago and I felt like I was treated like an animal. I was not allowed to say no or ask questions even though I was there voluntarily, when nurses touched me it felt like they were trying to throw me around (I was also not a threat and quite visibly underweight at the time). There was more but I don’t need to share. I honestly left worse and I don’t know what choice I would make about admitting myself again if the circumstances would be appropriate. More people like this woman need to go into this field instead of most of the folks who do instead.
This is amazing that people like this woman existing and trying to help these murderers, not just turing around
FYI, the job of a forensic psychiatrist/psychologist is NOT primarily to help these people.
@@chickenlover657 what is it?
@@teamLewis44 Analysis for court.
@@chickenlover657 oh, I didn't know
@@teamLewis44 Well now you do: the main task of a forensic psychiatrist/psychologist is to assess the mental state/condition of the "patient" in regards to the accusation made by prosecution, or by claim of the defense. To put it bluntly, your job is not to help them, but to diagnose and evaluate them.
I could listen to her for hours...the empathy she has for those individuals... amazing work her and her colleagues are doing
Fascinating. I have Major Depression and I've been a patient on locked psychiatric units, only once in a hospital with violent offenders. Most people have very twisted ideas about mental illness and psychiatric health care that create terrible stigma and discrimination.
As a nurse, I have great admiration for people who do this work.
I'm so glad for people like her in this roles. They carry humanity forward in an almost literal way
i am happy to see we all collectively love this gentle person, a piece of humanity has been restored
As a general practitioner physician and an aspiring psychiatrist, this interview was the most interest thing I watched in months...
I wish people outside of the system received this kind of care.
I've always held the belief that anybody can become a killer, given the right circumstances. It's wonderful to hear the compassion this woman has for her patients.
I love this woman! The compassion while still understanding who she is working with is amazing!
Gwen giving insight into the paranoia, guilt and mental delusion that comes from killing reminds me of Crime and Punishment and how Dostoyevsky did a great job of putting that rollercoaster of madness into a book
Part two please🙌 great interview
Love to see more questions.
Her attitude and perspective is something that I don’t think I could ever hold in her line of work but I respect the hell out of her for having it
thank you Gwen for the work you do and the insight into your work and your philosophy around your job i enjoyed hearing your interview
Omg I’m so happy you’ve done an interview with her!! Her book is amazing
Such a strong, reasonable and compassionate woman! All my respect to her!
This was just so eye-opening, interesting and informative! I am very appreciative of the insights Dr. Adshead shared so openly. I fear I had imagined forensic psychiatrists being on the receiving end of horrific, lurid stories from the lives of irredeemable lunatics or monsters. She taught me quite a bit in just 24 minutes! Much appreciated!
Thank you for mentioning Occupational Therapy (OT)! I am a mental Health Occupational Therapist and it’s so important to provide OT in places like Boradmore! The compassion is so necessary in this setting.
What an amazing, intelligent woman, Her interviews should be part of every health care curriculum,
Her voice is so calming, I spent the whole video hipnotised.
What a wonderful woman. Absolutely full of compassion and grace.
This woman is amazing and so interesting! I think it's a special kind of person who can do this work, and so needed. The ability to see the humanity in anyone, no matter what they've done, is unfortunately rare.
There absolutely needs to be a focus on prevention. A mental health centre where a person in crisis comes BEFORE they end up in this situation. Such a center should be in every city and town and easily accesible by public transportation.
And sliding/scale payment
There are, in a sense, but anosognosia is a hell of a thing. (Originally used in reference to stroke patients it's an inability to perceive your own illness or neurological deficits as a result of brain injury.) More broadly as it refers to Mental Health it means people unable to perceive their own illness. The number of people who have severe disassociative episodes or beliefs as a by product of bipolar disorder or schizophrenia means they can become extremely violent till such a time as there delusions end OR they kill themselves, as a the paradigm of reality shifts eith some real world stimuli which can include blood, screaming from their victims (which feeds into the delusion) and other sensations ect. By the time they regain some amount of stability, if they've never had an assessment for mental illness or worse, has one but refused to seek or continue with treatment, then cases of psychosis induced murders can happen. You can't treat what people cannot percieve (even though the rest of the world can usually tell as the prodromal phase of mwntap illness includes recognizable signs if you have a baseline for that persons "normal")
They are criminally responsible and yet there's very little families or bystanders can do UNLESS they're publicly assulting another member of the public. Andrea Yates is one of the most prominent sufferers of psychosis as a result of under treated either bipolar OR schizophrenia or bipolar with schizo-affective tendencies that has, at least, some hint of a sympathetic edge, depending on your worldview. Most of what this Doctor deals with are the criminally insane rather than a social or truly antisocial personality disorders (as it's a rough to say almost impossible task to convince a court of law).
@@katydid5088 I think this is too short term a view. It's true that psychotic patients aren't the most compliant with treatment but that's partly because the treatment offered to them is minimal and/or inappropriate. I used to live with someone with BPD who sometimes experienced psychotic episodes and it took her well over a year just to get diagnosed (all the time working/doing chores/trying to maintain a social life). After she got diagnosed she was offered CBT, even though it's actually contra-indicated for people with BPD. It's the only thing they had available in our area so that's what she was offered. If DBT or some other type of therapy had been funded in our area she might have been helped. As it was, the therapy further damaged her hold on reality and she lost everything. I've heard she's living on the streets in another country now - this is a woman who had a degree and a career. Funding mental health services and breaking down the stigma of reaching out for help is the long-term preventative solution. Yes, it won't help some, but it will help most.
They are called Crisis Stabilization Units or CSU for short
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Totally riveting, her comment “This shit is real”, made me smile. Good interview 👍
What a wonderful human being! She is definitely in the right field with all the compassion she has towards violent criminals. Kudos to her!🙏👏❤
Seeing her compassion for these people is so incredible. Her book was a very good read.
The level of empathy she has is insane and admirable in a way. A level I would never be able to get to with murderers, but I can very much appreciate that she has that trait.
Fascinating and very humanely presented. The world would be a better place for more people like you Gwen. Definitiely going to look up your book now.
This was incredible. So much insight. Beautifully empathic.
As a counsellor in NZ, I love her stance and it takes a strong individual to speak and be from that place
"It's hard to know how to engage with people who are in denial of reality." Seems to be common problem for many US citizens atm
What a remarkable and honest account. Usually people use very emotive terms talking about criminals but this lady just describes them honestly.
This woman was born to do this kind of work. Intelligent, caring and emotional mature all of which are rare to see wrapped up in one persons personality. So glad she is doing this work ❤
This woman is a very special human. An Angel among us.
She has such a calm soothing manner. ASMR. So intelligent and well spoken.
I very much appreciate her compassion. There are literally multitudes of people who have done things that are bad and/or very bad because they never got the care and help and support that *they* so desperately needed. We ignore the physical, emotional, and mental needs of others, or manage them so badly, at our own peril.
I think it’s hard work for this woman to maintain her heroic compassion. I feel a better person for having heard her.
Thank you so much for this interview. It raised a lot of thoughts and questions in my mind, which i feel would be inappropriate to share here. But letting that stuff go around in my head gives me more insight in myself and adds to my stability.
The one thing that is not clear to me is when Mrs. Adshead talks about therapy, which possibly could be very different from what i have in mind, but i don't know.
Where i live people, in particular those who have killed multiple times, or those who have abused children multiple times, are sentenced to serve their time in prison, and are then placed in a TBS (Ter Beschikking Stelling van de regering) clinic. This means they are now "property of the government". The government and its psychiatrists believe that those people have a mental condition that can be cured, after which they can safely be released into society.
What we see over and over again, in a long time of history, is that these people are very good in convincing psychiatrists and assistants of their progress. In time they will be allowed on leave for, example one weekend every month, for rehabilitation.
During such a weekend they are mostly assigned to one or two assistant psychiatrists that accompany them and assure they do not escape or commit crimes. And more often than not, they do escape during those weekends and repeat the crimes for which they were convicted initially.
So although i give my deep respects to Mrs. Adshead for the way she works and how she tells about it, i'd like to note that the therapy described by me above is futile in the cases i mentioned, and in the end does not lead to an increased safety of society.
Having had to sit through listening to two psychiatrists being cross examined ( my son was murdered by a paranoid schizophenic conveniently diagnosed after the killing) I have lost any faith I had in the pursuit of forensic psychiatry. It is unscientific nonsense promoted by 'doctors' with the gift of the gab. Time and time again these 'experts' let these killers out and the pattern repeats itself resulting in loss of life and a lifetime of neverending, perpetual pain for the people the victim(s) leave behind. The psychiatrists are never held accountable. These killers should never be let out. But that would be against their human rights and it would be proven that forensic psychiatry does not work.
An incredible woman. Her book is also fantastic. Amazing to have so much compassion. I wish I were more like her!
Whats her book
Give this woman a medal! I love her compassion and humanity ❤
My stepdad was a counselor of SA offenders, in prisons. It takes a special kind of person to be able to do that work! ❤. Thank you for your commitment and compassion!
I don’t think I’ve ever wanted to have a conversation with someone more! She expressed and expanded on so many philosophies I think about myself. She seems equal parts logic and sentiment. Deeply interesting lady!!
Thank you for sharing this. As a mom of a child who has severe, persistent, mental illness- we've had some of these patterns with my oldest- And attacking caregivers has been a pattern
Nice to see, but she says the worst is a case of denying reality, I find her opinion useless. This is written from the USA and I find her opinion uneducated. She is out of touch with psychopathology, and needs to look at another country to see serious horrors.
Fascinating woman .respect her for her compassion in the most difficult circumstances any human could face
she is so well-spoken. what a respectful lady.
She is so serene and benign. I can´t envision her with the worst of the earth
I really appreciate what she said about the outrage we experience when these terrible things happen, and her compassion for victims. I don't agree with her, though, that these violent offenders should get out one day. I don't think they should.
did she say that? i don't recall
@@gregdahlen4375 She said that 1. revenge isn't good for the soul and 2. practically, it's expensive
I'm not sure if they provide mental health care for perpetrators in the U.S. but I really hope they do! The way Gwen explained her line of work, how she treats her patients, and how revenge effects a person is inspiring and makes you really think. Thank you for sharing this interview. I love this.
To hear people's issues and still love them and not judge them. What an awesome human being!
I honour the courage she has to wake up everyday and place herself into such a hard situation to pay the bills. Especially at her age.. it takes a lot of energy to keep constantly taking part in that kind of work
perhaps she's learned how to conserve her energy
@@gregdahlen4375 if she did that's marvellous but I just cannot seem to do it.. I suffer with ibs and walking up the stairs effects me. I also worked with dementia patience for almost 8 years and it's extreamly taxing on the body and mind which is why family's can't do it.. deep down if family's spreaded all of their wealth evenly then they could all support their loved one for years in their own home but people don't put that much thought into it plus having children and tryito make memories make it that way which is understandable
Anyway her job would make her stressed about 10 times a day because no matter what she does she's a witch and a bad person to the people she looks after so that's why I admire her
I gave it up I hadn't the health to continue on I was constantly sick and the negative behaviour and travelling and paying taxes and ending up with living the same lifestyle as someone who doesn't work got the better of me
You are such a beautiful, incredibly special human being. Thank you for existing ❤
Calm down
Brilliant inspiring speaker. So many people judging forget exactly what she said; it could be any of us given the wrong life experience.
I hold so much respect and admiration for this woman.
WOW, just WOW! I wish I was related to this woman so I could listen to her all day every day...WOW!
i would love a coffee and a chat with this person, i could pass the time of day listening to her