Glad to see the roller issue is behind you. Saw that thread on ag talk. I am just finishing perennial hay and starting on oat hay this morning. It’s been drying 7 days, think it’s gonna make a bunch as well. Do you feed everything or sell some as well? Are you in the Alzada area? I’m really wanting to try mowing my hay and raking like you do but it will take a significant investment as I almost need another tractor to replace mY self propelled swather
After the past 5 years of going with the mowed and raked hay, I don't think I would ever go back to a windrow. The hay dry down is better under normal conditions. One of our major reasons for going with the trail mower was cost. Compared to a new or newer self-propelled windrower we just couldn't afford that for what it returns in comparison to the trail mower. While not convenient, you could use the same tractor to mow rake and Bale if needed.. Although it would be a bit more time consuming to unhook and hook back up. I know the new Vermeer Trail mowers have a quick hitch setup which makes them much easier and quicker to get hooked up. Having the extra tractor is nice, that's why we run these old John Deere 4630 s on the mower and on the rake. Just simple cheap horsepower. We sold some hay back in 2011, not sure if we will again. We will need to get our reserves built back up so we can withstand at least 2 years worth of drought before I would want to let any go. After this year we should have those reserves in place. If next year is a good year then maybe. Yes the Vermeer roller issue I think is behind us. The 605n has made about 1,200 bails since that roller broke, and has been wrapping them up pretty darn good since then after a few net wrap adjustments.yes, pretty close to the alzada area
Lol, I’m lucky if I can net wrap a 100 bales in a day with our old 535. Between break downs and plugging. Which dealer did you buy from? It sounds like they’ve been good to you. I’m also in Montana, and in dire need of a new baler. My old man bought our 535 new in 1988 and it is WORE OUT.
What state do you operate in? I like to watch you work and learn how you do things out west. Here in Ohio, I’ve only got a hundred cows and deal with mud, rain and heat non stop, and mud all winter. Things sure are different from one side of the U.S. to the other.
SE Montana. The climate here is usually dry, with an annual rainfall of around 12 in. Also usually very little humidity. Around here usually takes 30 acres per cow per year, and a good hay crop is between 3/4 of 1 ton to 1.5 tons per acre. This year is highly unusual, 25 in + rain so far and the hay has been around 2 to 3 tons. I don't know how you guys manage it out east
Typically we have enough grass to manage around 2 to 2.5 acres per cow. A pretty standard hay crop is around 4 tons. But, you also have to take into consideration that because of the water content, our grass doesn’t have near the nutrition value. We can’t even touch hay past 7:00 in the evening because of the dew making it so tough for raking and baling.
Wondering how you like the 605N baler. Does it start a bale easy? Does it handle heavy windrows ? Any problems or things you don't care about the baler ? Any net wrap issues? Im going to purchase a new baler and I like how heavy the Vermeer is built. Im running a John Deere 566 twine tie now and works good just a little slow and doesn't like heavy windrows and plugs.
We've had the 605n now for going on 5 years now , although with the previous drought years this has been the first heavy hay year the Baler has seen. With its open throat design, I don't know if you could plug this baler. I have not been able to yet, even with raked 3 ton per acre hay. The pickup is very robust, and so far will take hay as fast as I can put it to it. The Baler monitor is wonderful with the touch screen design. There is a lot you can do on it, you can make files for different customers, different fields , make sensor calibrations, Etc and Etc. The Baler is built very heavy duty although I have had some issues with mine. Mine is one of the first 605n's built, and they had a run of bad Baler rollers here and there on the early ones. Most were recalled. My Baler fell outside of the recall serial number range, yet Vermeer replaced both the upper and lower Drive rollers under warranty last fall, and replaced one of the rollers in the tailgate this year under warranty. Even though the Baler is 4 years now out of warranty. I can't say it gives me a great feeling to have these failures so early in the Balers life, yet I can't help but feel a great commitment from Vermeer to make things right and to stand behind what they sell. I would say the Baler makes just as nice as Bales as our John Deere, even though they are a small soft core design they always seem to weigh as much or more than their John Deere Brothers. I love the tailgate ramp Vermeer uses, works every time and does not beat up or sling the bails away from the tailgate. The net wrap system is a great deal simpler than what John Deere has been using to my knowledge. I have had to make some adjustments to my net wrap brake this year, now that it has over 5000 Bales on it. The adjustments are simple and I believe the net wrap system is solid in design. The Vermeer pickup teeth are a hooked design that helps pick up the hay easier and they're also rubber mounted so you don't have the issues with broken pickup teeth like on John Deere pickup. one thing I do not care for too much on the Vermeer Baler is there moisture tester. while it does function well and it is nice that is integrated into the monitor, I feel that the accuracy of where they put their moisture sensors at is in doubt. I believe the close together 2 terminal design like John Deere uses gives better accuracy especially over 20% moisture. I plan to switch mine over to that style this winter. In consistent hay under 20% moisture, I think there tester is plenty accurate. But the issues I have found are in mixed Hayes such as legumes and grass, tend to throw it off usually to the high side, usually reading the wetter legumes and not so much the grass when I am looking for more of an average. when I bought mine, I had the option to purchase it with or without a electronic pickup clutch, which would disengage the pickup while wrapping a bail. I thought it was something I didn't need, but now I think it would be useful to have just to reduce the extra wear on the cams and rollers from the pickup running, and to reduce any chances of getting net wrap into the pickup. Last thing, I do believe the Vermeer Baler takes a bit more power then are John Deere did, partially because it weighs more, and I think partially because of how it forms a bale . when forming a bale from 2 ft to 45 in there is some noticeable power drag coming from the baler. From what I hear that is normal for vermeer . Lastly, a large point when we bought this Baler it was about $7,000 cheaper than equivalent John Deere .not a massive amount of money, but quite a bit ! Would I buy it again? Yes I think so. my choices would be between Vermeer, Deere and possibly Kubota. if I had not had the roller issues, I really would not have had much of any to speak of. and I sure see a lot of them out there in our neck of the woods. One big factor to your decision-making should be the service from your surrounding dealers. If the Vermeer is a mom and pop shop with no service Personnel, that would make me a little nervous. Especially if they didn't have much of any parts on hand. But if you have a two or three dealers in your area odds are you're going to be able to get service or parts from one of them
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No Auto cycle on the tailgate, I don't know if Vermeer makes one like that or not? Like the Baler, still has a couple of quarks I'm working out, Vermeer had some detective rollers on the early 605n'sand I got a couple of them. One thing that has impressed me though is this Baler is turning 5 years old this year and Vermeer has stood behind the bad parts even being 4 years out of warranty
@@OldGlory1776 man that's awesome, there isn't a dealer withing 150 miles of us if not 200. I traded my massey off the other day for a new deere. Not something I wanted to do but I want a baler I know i can put 20k bales on and it will keep going
@@sowerscattleco3484 totally understand. We were on the fence on buying another Deere Baler when we bought the Vermeer. The Vermeer was about seven or eight thousand dollars less at that time and we wanted to try it out. Our John Deere 567 is coming up on 20 years old and this year we'll have about 32,000 Bales on it. Just put in its first set of new belts and was fairly well re bearinged about 10,000 Bales ago. John Deere has a proven design, I wish their pickups were a little better built, but it's hard to have everything perfect. I think John Deere's parts and dealer Network make them very hard to beat in that regard. I'm hoping the Vermeer will last as long as the John Deere but I just don't have any way of knowing. It's definitely built heavy enough 2. My Vermeer dealer is also now selling Kubota , and it looks like they have offerings for disc Mower and Baler as well. I'm going to have to keep an eye on that as it may be an option in the future.We will see. Was the Massey giving you problems?
Glad to see the roller issue is behind you. Saw that thread on ag talk. I am just finishing perennial hay and starting on oat hay this morning. It’s been drying 7 days, think it’s gonna make a bunch as well.
Do you feed everything or sell some as well? Are you in the Alzada area?
I’m really wanting to try mowing my hay and raking like you do but it will take a significant investment as I almost need another tractor to replace mY self propelled swather
After the past 5 years of going with the mowed and raked hay, I don't think I would ever go back to a windrow. The hay dry down is better under normal conditions. One of our major reasons for going with the trail mower was cost. Compared to a new or newer self-propelled windrower we just couldn't afford that for what it returns in comparison to the trail mower. While not convenient, you could use the same tractor to mow rake and Bale if needed.. Although it would be a bit more time consuming to unhook and hook back up. I know the new Vermeer Trail mowers have a quick hitch setup which makes them much easier and quicker to get hooked up. Having the extra tractor is nice, that's why we run these old John Deere 4630 s on the mower and on the rake. Just simple cheap horsepower. We sold some hay back in 2011, not sure if we will again. We will need to get our reserves built back up so we can withstand at least 2 years worth of drought before I would want to let any go. After this year we should have those reserves in place. If next year is a good year then maybe. Yes the Vermeer roller issue I think is behind us. The 605n has made about 1,200 bails since that roller broke, and has been wrapping them up pretty darn good since then after a few net wrap adjustments.yes, pretty close to the alzada area
Lol, I’m lucky if I can net wrap a 100 bales in a day with our old 535. Between break downs and plugging.
Which dealer did you buy from? It sounds like they’ve been good to you. I’m also in Montana, and in dire need of a new baler. My old man bought our 535 new in 1988 and it is WORE OUT.
What state do you operate in? I like to watch you work and learn how you do things out west.
Here in Ohio, I’ve only got a hundred cows and deal with mud, rain and heat non stop, and mud all winter. Things sure are different from one side of the U.S. to the other.
SE Montana. The climate here is usually dry, with an annual rainfall of around 12 in. Also usually very little humidity. Around here usually takes 30 acres per cow per year, and a good hay crop is between 3/4 of 1 ton to 1.5 tons per acre. This year is highly unusual, 25 in + rain so far and the hay has been around 2 to 3 tons. I don't know how you guys manage it out east
Typically we have enough grass to manage around 2 to 2.5 acres per cow. A pretty standard hay crop is around 4 tons. But, you also have to take into consideration that because of the water content, our grass doesn’t have near the nutrition value. We can’t even touch hay past 7:00 in the evening because of the dew making it so tough for raking and baling.
pumping them right out! looks good
Wondering how you like the 605N baler. Does it start a bale easy? Does it handle heavy windrows ? Any problems or things you don't care about the baler ? Any net wrap issues? Im going to purchase a new baler and I like how heavy the Vermeer is built. Im running a John Deere 566 twine tie now and works good just a little slow and doesn't like heavy windrows and plugs.
We've had the 605n now for going on 5 years now , although with the previous drought years this has been the first heavy hay year the Baler has seen. With its open throat design, I don't know if you could plug this baler. I have not been able to yet, even with raked 3 ton per acre hay. The pickup is very robust, and so far will take hay as fast as I can put it to it. The Baler monitor is wonderful with the touch screen design. There is a lot you can do on it, you can make files for different customers, different fields , make sensor calibrations, Etc and Etc.
The Baler is built very heavy duty although I have had some issues with mine. Mine is one of the first 605n's built, and they had a run of bad Baler rollers here and there on the early ones. Most were recalled. My Baler fell outside of the recall serial number range, yet Vermeer replaced both the upper and lower Drive rollers under warranty last fall, and replaced one of the rollers in the tailgate this year under warranty. Even though the Baler is 4 years now out of warranty.
I can't say it gives me a great feeling to have these failures so early in the Balers life, yet I can't help but feel a great commitment from Vermeer to make things right and to stand behind what they sell. I would say the Baler makes just as nice as Bales as our John Deere, even though they are a small soft core design they always seem to weigh as much or more than their John Deere Brothers.
I love the tailgate ramp Vermeer uses, works every time and does not beat up or sling the bails away from the tailgate. The net wrap system is a great deal simpler than what John Deere has been using to my knowledge. I have had to make some adjustments to my net wrap brake this year, now that it has over 5000 Bales on it. The adjustments are simple and I believe the net wrap system is solid in design. The Vermeer pickup teeth are a hooked design that helps pick up the hay easier and they're also rubber mounted so you don't have the issues with broken pickup teeth like on John Deere pickup. one thing I do not care for too much on the Vermeer Baler is there moisture tester. while it does function well and it is nice that is integrated into the monitor, I feel that the accuracy of where they put their moisture sensors at is in doubt. I believe the close together 2 terminal design like John Deere uses gives better accuracy especially over 20% moisture. I plan to switch mine over to that style this winter. In consistent hay under 20% moisture, I think there tester is plenty accurate. But the issues I have found are in mixed Hayes such as legumes and grass, tend to throw it off usually to the high side, usually reading the wetter legumes and not so much the grass when I am looking for more of an average. when I bought mine, I had the option to purchase it with or without a electronic pickup clutch, which would disengage the pickup while wrapping a bail. I thought it was something I didn't need, but now I think it would be useful to have just to reduce the extra wear on the cams and rollers from the pickup running, and to reduce any chances of getting net wrap into the pickup. Last thing, I do believe the Vermeer Baler takes a bit more power then are John Deere did, partially because it weighs more, and I think partially because of how it forms a bale . when forming a bale from 2 ft to 45 in there is some noticeable power drag coming from the baler. From what I hear that is normal for vermeer . Lastly, a large point when we bought this Baler it was about $7,000 cheaper than equivalent John Deere .not a massive amount of money, but quite a bit ! Would I buy it again? Yes I think so. my choices would be between Vermeer, Deere and possibly Kubota. if I had not had the roller issues, I really would not have had much of any to speak of. and I sure see a lot of them out there in our neck of the woods. One big factor to your decision-making should be the service from your surrounding dealers. If the Vermeer is a mom and pop shop with no service Personnel, that would make me a little nervous. Especially if they didn't have much of any parts on hand. But if you have a two or three dealers in your area odds are you're going to be able to get service or parts from one of them
For some reason I am only able to read the first few lines of your last comment, I didn't know if you had more or not, so if you want to repost that that would be fine or you can email me directly at dieselfume1@gmail.com
Looks like it's running great and you finally have some good hay. Is that baler an auto cycle where it opens the rear gate itself
No Auto cycle on the tailgate, I don't know if Vermeer makes one like that or not? Like the Baler, still has a couple of quarks I'm working out, Vermeer had some detective rollers on the early 605n'sand I got a couple of them. One thing that has impressed me though is this Baler is turning 5 years old this year and Vermeer has stood behind the bad parts even being 4 years out of warranty
@@OldGlory1776 man that's awesome, there isn't a dealer withing 150 miles of us if not 200. I traded my massey off the other day for a new deere. Not something I wanted to do but I want a baler I know i can put 20k bales on and it will keep going
@@sowerscattleco3484 totally understand. We were on the fence on buying another Deere Baler when we bought the Vermeer. The Vermeer was about seven or eight thousand dollars less at that time and we wanted to try it out. Our John Deere 567 is coming up on 20 years old and this year we'll have about 32,000 Bales on it. Just put in its first set of new belts and was fairly well re bearinged about 10,000 Bales ago. John Deere has a proven design, I wish their pickups were a little better built, but it's hard to have everything perfect. I think John Deere's parts and dealer Network make them very hard to beat in that regard. I'm hoping the Vermeer will last as long as the John Deere but I just don't have any way of knowing. It's definitely built heavy enough 2. My Vermeer dealer is also now selling Kubota , and it looks like they have offerings for disc Mower and Baler as well. I'm going to have to keep an eye on that as it may be an option in the future.We will see. Was the Massey giving you problems?
@@OldGlory1776 yes it was, I'm going to make a video of it to discuss why I made the switch
I like the 3 bars on the monitor