My thoughts on the Banlist after sleeping on it

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  • @raykirushiroyshi2752
    @raykirushiroyshi2752 11 днів тому +76

    *the title of the vod* starts here 19:50

  • @ducky36F
    @ducky36F 10 днів тому +15

    1:15:56 I think for me is there’s a significant difference between being “the best deck” for a year and being a tier 0 deck for a year. Being tier 0 or close enough to it for so long is just absurd.

    • @fettererfolgloser
      @fettererfolgloser 10 днів тому

      ye fire had so much time to shine in the past. 1 year with fire dominance rlly got my shaved vageen mad

  • @SC_Blast
    @SC_Blast 10 днів тому

    Work is so slow most days, having one of these stream vods to get me through the morning helps a lot, thank you for posting them!

  • @deshtom
    @deshtom 10 днів тому +12

    I think that the only way to justify the Azamina cards being the bonkers SnEyes support that they are is that Konami didn’t think that they would be SnEyes support which would be a failure in R&D, and it’s been a while since we’ve had such an egregious R&D error, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the case.

    • @OsirusHandle
      @OsirusHandle 10 днів тому

      i think theyll be nuts in everything tbh

    • @zephyrrrr4813
      @zephyrrrr4813 10 днів тому +2

      ​@@OsirusHandle yeah I've been cooking up azamina runick and it's goofy

    • @geek593
      @geek593 10 днів тому

      A failure in R&D? Naaaah that's impossible.

    • @tomithy_lo
      @tomithy_lo 3 дні тому

      Out of curiosity what would you say the last R&D error was? I stopped playing during dragon ruler format and have only started playing again for about two weeks

  • @alexdalyin9105
    @alexdalyin9105 10 днів тому +1

    50:05 The worst part about this 9 percent drop is if you don't play Birch, and you open the Poplar, if you also open any other 1 card starter, they are just dead cards.

  • @chibiraptor
    @chibiraptor 10 днів тому +1

    1:20:00 I think the concept is that this is a "Diabellstar," deck. Her lore is that shes a cool anti-hero who goes around collecting forbidden magic. So i think the idea is that each set introduces new tools for her arsenal.
    I think they messed up on that, where she gets snake eye to work, then just kinda got nothing for a set? And is now getting azamina.
    I think their intention is that she comes out and is powerful support, then as more cards come out, she shifts from support engine to primary engine of her own deck. But i dont think they accomplished that super well. Snake eyes were too strong.

  • @turtle-bot3049
    @turtle-bot3049 10 днів тому +5

    I think part of the issue with snake eyes and why everyone wanted it completely dead on this list is because of how toxic snake eyes forced the rest of the meta to become.
    20+ hand traps and/or multiple floodgates or you just have to be uninteractible to have a chance against it is not a fun format to play because it locks out all of the "fair" rogue decks that people enjoy seeing and playing against, particularly at a local level.
    When it comes to the list we got, imo, if we had gotten this list a couple months earlier, say late may/early june (minus the fiendsmith hits), people would have been a lot happier overall and probably wouldn't mind SE being around until Rage of the Abyss, where it would definitely need a huge hit (flamberge ban) at that point.
    Those are the main issues here, snake eyes was left in that "slap on the wrist" state for too long, especially considering how toxic it forces the rest of the format to be to have a chance against it. That's why people wanted/expected a kill list this time around and are not happy with this list despite how well it does hit snake eyes.
    TL//DR: The list, despite being a good list, was simply too late. Konami should have released this list back when nawcq finished and see where fiendsmith would settle in a toned down format, especially when ocg format results proved that leaving snake eyes untouched was the wrong move.

    • @turtle-bot3049
      @turtle-bot3049 10 днів тому

      I'm just hoping konami doesn't repeat this mistake (waiting to see if the new decks from RotA power creep current decks) when RotA releases.
      They surely have to know that SE is just going to be back to full power with that set, so will need a huge hit around the release of that set.
      Making that same mistake for a second time so soon could be disastrous for Yu-Gi-Oh as a franchise in the west considering how bad the reaction was this time, especially with the lorcana providing a real alternative to the big 3 tcgs and actually having konami levels of money to back it up (something upper deck games lack).

    • @f687sNFM
      @f687sNFM 10 днів тому

      ​@@turtle-bot3049nice laegjarn

  • @SC_Blast
    @SC_Blast 10 днів тому

    1:30:40 when I first saw diabellestar get announced I got really excited about the concept of an archetype where they have a bunch of powerful spells and traps in the form of sinful spoils, sending their main monsters to grave for cost who summon themselves back. It was so cool and its just unfortunate that they did literally nothing with it

  • @RoyaltonDrummer922
    @RoyaltonDrummer922 11 днів тому +42

    The slightly wrong English phrase in the title is very cute

    • @JoshuaSchmidtVOD
      @JoshuaSchmidtVOD  11 днів тому +24

      teach me the correct phrase! might be the german version of it in english lmao
      -editor

    • @evone1583
      @evone1583 11 днів тому +4

      ​@@JoshuaSchmidtVOD sleeping over it* :D

    • @waifuflipper2833
      @waifuflipper2833 11 днів тому +66

      @@JoshuaSchmidtVOD sleeping on it

    • @nicolmanninc3578
      @nicolmanninc3578 10 днів тому

      This is the one for sure​@@waifuflipper2833

    • @ozunivrse9041
      @ozunivrse9041 10 днів тому +1

      Sleeping ON it* lol

  • @Salvo_117
    @Salvo_117 10 днів тому +4

    What I wonder is how many people will quit due to the ban list and the coming set. I'm personally selling everything and switching to one piece.

    • @f687sNFM
      @f687sNFM 10 днів тому +3

      Id imagine many, ik many that said the banlist not changing the meta is their sign to move to another tcg

    • @Al-tanin
      @Al-tanin 10 днів тому +5

      See ya, close the door on your way out 👋🏻

    • @sephnickel9516
      @sephnickel9516 10 днів тому

      ​@@Al-tanin stop being toxic, it's one of the many reasons the game and it's community is being frowned upon currently

    • @Al-tanin
      @Al-tanin 10 днів тому +4

      @@sephnickel9516 i am far from toxic, but i am also very used to people staying in the game and doing nothing but complaining.
      As far as i see it, there are 3 options if you are not having fun:
      -remember its just a game and have fun
      -get better and have fun
      -quit and have fun with something else.
      The dude probably is not even complaining that hard, so it might have been a bit harsh

  • @Droufte
    @Droufte 10 днів тому +1

    The main problem for me is Konami don't think about having a fair game. They don't care about balancing. By having two distinct format for the same game, and having design based on only one banlist (which is OCG), TCG suffer by having to try to balance the game while not having degenerate cards like Maxx C come back. I really think that if we had a global banlist, Konami would have to design cards really better. Like imagine having the WC banlist when they design cards, suddenly you cannot say things like "Yeah Maxx C will keep it in check" or "Well Baronne is still here".

  • @Brandon195718201
    @Brandon195718201 11 днів тому +25

    The most annoying thing about this banlist are the Branded players trying to martyr themselves saying some bs like "Now we HAVE TO play Nightmare o woe is me", like shut yall asses up. You were already playing that nonsense and were gonna continue playing it lol

    • @babrad
      @babrad 11 днів тому +5

      The harse truth unironically coming from Brandon. Couldn't say it better myself

    • @Brandon195718201
      @Brandon195718201 11 днів тому +4

      @@babrad Everytime I hear Branded Fusion my dumbass sometimes hears Brandon Fusion ngl lmao

    • @Stanky_Foot
      @Stanky_Foot 10 днів тому +2

      Why so mad

    • @Brandon195718201
      @Brandon195718201 10 днів тому

      @@Stanky_Foot I aint mad lol

    • @babrad
      @babrad 10 днів тому

      @@Brandon195718201 you can blame farfa for that :)

  • @iamnobody6626
    @iamnobody6626 9 днів тому

    Next Banlist Update: "The next update after this will be in a few months"

  • @Fr3d0-1
    @Fr3d0-1 10 днів тому

    1:04:32 is when Josh realized “oh shit snake eyes can still play around nib” 😂😂😂

  • @Shrimp4Gura
    @Shrimp4Gura 8 днів тому

    Dont worry about the OCG Snake Eyes, they announce their October Banlist in the next couple weeks and hit it harder

  • @thatonechef3345
    @thatonechef3345 10 днів тому

    I love grass at 1 for going second. I'll run 40 to 45 cards, so if my opponent pops off on turn 1 and I resolve grass, I'm more than likely milling atleast 10 cards.
    60 card grass decks are honestly a lot of fun to play.

  • @Raihojer
    @Raihojer 10 днів тому +1

    I guess Konami peaked with Labrynth - received almost no hits , still viable but it still is kinda dead (could be relevant depending on the Meta)

  • @kingmric
    @kingmric 10 днів тому

    Grass at 1 seems like something to play around with. I'm a big fan of GY strategies so would love to workshop some lair infernoid deck or a shaddoll/tear deck somehow to play.

  • @deanoxd968
    @deanoxd968 10 днів тому

    @1:00:00 love the way Josh calls out the yapper 🫠🫠 hahah

  • @Zester141
    @Zester141 10 днів тому

    I think people are really overestimating the hits to tenpai. We are focussing more on what the tenapai player does rather than what the deck can do against the opponent. The fact that you can steal games going second is still real. The deck forces your opponent to have a good opening. The deck has always punishes brick hands. Handtraps weaken what the opponent does. The only real way they win is: force them to go firsts (even still 50/50 depending on hands) and if you can combo through their handtraps, which isn’t always guaranteed. Skill drain to 1 and Appo banned are relevant for the deck too. Cosmic cyclone has an actual impact vs floodgates bc im not worried about them having the second one. Also crossout will likely be a maindeck staple. Forces the opponent to have 3 real interruptions to stop you. With the other decks being hit as well, I think Tenpai is in the same exact spot it was in last format. But this is just how I feel. We shall really see as time goes on.

  • @rasta93aa
    @rasta93aa 7 днів тому

    With Fiendsmith Using M7 line you could serch for majesty's fiend with tract and normal summon it using M7 🤣🤣🤣... I use this line in runick fiendsmith LOL

  • @davidranner1194
    @davidranner1194 10 днів тому

    when the deck wopuld be a little bit cheaper so you can change the meta faster and the sell more packs

  • @Alexalibur13
    @Alexalibur13 10 днів тому

    In general this banlist was only acceptable if you're happy with handtrap format.

  • @9288Savior
    @9288Savior 10 днів тому

    Yeah I think the Fiendsmith engine is still very strong without *Lacrima* , as long as *Desirae* is still around *{::>_

  • @johntheamazing9337
    @johntheamazing9337 10 днів тому

    I think once people realise theyre meant to play birch the deck will become at least playable

  • @lukeyilonen
    @lukeyilonen 10 днів тому

    1:31:11 I love that take haahah

  • @joeymayson8279
    @joeymayson8279 10 днів тому

    They should make cards that bridge SStriker and Runick because of Josh lore

    • @Demonic0Jester
      @Demonic0Jester 10 днів тому +1

      sky striker ace raye went to kill the notorious flamberge dragon only to be hit by a magical blast that transported her to a strange fantasy land where a german man taught her various spells that could banish your opponents cards face down

  • @necessaryevil2560
    @necessaryevil2560 9 днів тому

    Where can I buy that mat brother

  • @Tortorrta
    @Tortorrta 10 днів тому

    Beatrice is only one step away from Barfa to 0 and the game really needs it

  • @fhar2008ks
    @fhar2008ks 10 днів тому

    guys, why're you all yapping about banning OSS, the only deck that's abused it was just the SE bcs they have 1 card combo,1 card combo also isn't the problem but the thing they just end with (couge, couge, -flamberge- ) nobody really cares if you have 12 millions copies of a freaking salamander or whatever (some decks needs consistency) but hear me out, the decks who have a 1 card combos shouldn't have a freaking starters and extenders in the same cards ( witch - wanted - bonfire) the extenders also shouldn't necessary part of your combo is just something you have in your hand in case you get interrupted or something or your combo pieces or your extenders doesn't do so mush by theirs owns (isn't bricks however) Memento worth mentions in that point
    that's all points in my opinion that's makes OSS in any deck has a ridicules 1 card combo that's have ridicules consistency
    decks

  • @yy5173
    @yy5173 10 днів тому

    bro coping in this one

  • @Shout_A3Z
    @Shout_A3Z 10 днів тому +1

    So I think more then ever I'm convinced that OSS is more of a problem instead of something like Flamberge, because like someone else pointed out in the comments this seems to be some sort of gross miscommunication between R&D and the people that made the banlist or two different R&D teams. Azamina being able to search Sinful Spoils was only natural and kind of necessary for the individual gimmick of the archetype's "intended" playstyle, it's just unfortunate that OSS continues to exist as the 'Sinful Spoils' bridge into 'Snake-Eyes'. If they want the other Sinful Spoils decks to coexist along Snake-Eyes, they absolutely can, by killing OSS. But that's just my opinion as a mostly casual player, I could be absolutely wrong.

    • @ozzy6831
      @ozzy6831 10 днів тому

      Banning OSS just Hits too many other decks that became playable because of it. Ban ash flamberge and SE is gone

    • @Serindipitous
      @Serindipitous 10 днів тому +1

      The question here becomes what do you want to kill? Do you want to kill Snake-Eyes? Hitting OSS does nothing, ban Flamberge or something. Do you want to keep SE around and kill its synergy with other decks? Ban OSS. Personally, I think that Snake-Eyes is healthiest when it's just a consistency engine in other decks, rather than its own link spam strategy, so I hate the idea of banning OSS since it only really takes away a couple extenders from SE and I'd rather just see the deck die since I think the deck itself is the unhealthy part of the whole thing, its use as an engine in other strategies is not problematic as a whole.

    • @ozzy6831
      @ozzy6831 10 днів тому

      @@Serindipitous well said

    • @TheMatt_SD
      @TheMatt_SD 10 днів тому

      Just make Sinful Spoils that bridge into more decks than just Snake-Eye.

  • @Mt.Berry-o7
    @Mt.Berry-o7 10 днів тому

    The lore argument rings pretty hollow when there's almost no connection between snake-eye and azamina in the story so far. They have a lot more connection with goblin rider and white forest. I'm almost starting to think that the synergy was an oversight, but that would be incompetent even for Konami.

    • @f687sNFM
      @f687sNFM 10 днів тому +1

      It's not the first time, look at dragon rulers, they were originally not intended to be good

    • @GutsmanLoL
      @GutsmanLoL 10 днів тому +1

      how would a literal "SINFUL SPOILS" card be an oversight? these cards were made to be played together. the azamina cards are SINFUL SPOILS cards. lol.

    • @some2043
      @some2043 10 днів тому +1

      ​@@GutsmanLoL you can't win arguments against poeple who call it a pendulum soup when the cards were clearly desgined to work with each other

    • @XLuxtra
      @XLuxtra 10 днів тому

      So. Its a deck so intensly focused on Sinful Spoil Cards than all other lore decks. So the biggest Synergy lies in how good each lore Decks own Sinful Spoil is. Snakeeyes being by far the best so much that they would play Diabel to fetch it.
      Whitewoods SS is...ok. but not worth even fetchin with Witch.
      Therefore less Synergistic than Snakes but viable.

    • @sephnickel9516
      @sephnickel9516 10 днів тому

      Aren't the azaminas corrupted versions of some of the white woods cards that diabellstar and diabellze knew when they were younger?

  • @choco699
    @choco699 10 днів тому

    Droll ruins this new snake eye, no more make beatrice go basic combo, if you can't get access to a single snake eye card, youre ending on a single link play

  • @desertline6272
    @desertline6272 10 днів тому

    Skill Drain and Summon Limit should be Unlimited, Card of Demise too. Just play Backrow removal combo spammer.

  • @vh0629
    @vh0629 10 днів тому

    the amount of people in the comment not recognizing both azamina and snake eyes are in the same sinful spoils lore is mind blowing

    • @patrast5315
      @patrast5315 10 днів тому

      What makes you say they're the same?
      The azimina fusions bear no visual resemblance to any of the snake-eye in my eyes.

    • @kinoire
      @kinoire 10 днів тому

      The most obvious point being it has an in archetype sinful spoil card​@@patrast5315

    • @vh0629
      @vh0629 10 днів тому

      @@patrast5315 they're all interconnected in the diabellstar saga..
      azamina are the cursed/monster form of the white woods(white forest in the tcg) witches
      the witches encounter some sort of calamity and it turned them/their bodies into monster form, the only survivor we knew so far are astellar and rizette
      so when they grew up, in order to honor/inherit the witch queen's name, hence diabellstar (diabell+astellar) and diabellze (diabell+rizette) respectively
      rucia / rciela / murcielago
      silvy / silvera / rhea silvera
      diabell / moa regina
      so far we saw both rucia and silvy turned into diabellstar's scythe (rucia) and armor (silvy) on her journey to hunt the snake eyes, while having one of them as her companion (populus/poplar)
      these are all my personal observation based solely on their artworks;
      maybe it'll cleared up when the lore dropped in master duel later on
      the artworks have lores in them, just like how the folks from dogmatika nation (false cult, turn out to be aluber's lackey) are intertwined with the tri-brigade, swordsoul, springans, spright, etc. on both albaz's and ecclesia's journey
      or how tearlament, mannadium, scareclaw and kashtira are in the same visas starfrost saga

    • @jjjenkins6586
      @jjjenkins6586 10 днів тому

      @@patrast5315they’re literally the white forest synchros later down the line lmaooo cmon bro just look at the cards

    • @patrast5315
      @patrast5315 10 днів тому

      @@jjjenkins6586 yes, I understand that. But OP said that they are literally the snake-eyes.
      The snake-eyes are distinct beings from the white woods characters

  • @ShroomOfSorrow
    @ShroomOfSorrow 11 днів тому +1

    White forest receives custom support in rage of the abyss tho

    • @OsirusHandle
      @OsirusHandle 10 днів тому

      everyone does that pack is cocaine

  • @dudeman209
    @dudeman209 11 днів тому

    If Bonfire gets moved to one, Snake Eyes gets absolutely destroyed as its own deck. It has to have another engine involved. And Bonfire going to 1 is the next hit that is needed.

  • @dragonx3085
    @dragonx3085 10 днів тому

    Rip, "The next update after this will be in a few months." is official again

  • @TruAbsoluteZer0
    @TruAbsoluteZer0 11 днів тому +7

    Yapping starts at 0:00

    • @TruAbsoluteZer0
      @TruAbsoluteZer0 11 днів тому +2

      Idk why people do this imma do a little changey change

  • @n4b5ter41
    @n4b5ter41 10 днів тому

    This format is still wack. Only good options to play havent changed

  • @RoyaltonDrummer922
    @RoyaltonDrummer922 11 днів тому +6

    If a tier 0 deck promotes good gameplay, like Tear, I don’t see anything wrong with letting it live for a while, and inversely, killing a tier 0 deck that promotes bad gameplay, like Snake-Eye. It’s pretty fucked up that they killed Ishizu Tear after 3-4 months and allowed Kashtira to pop off for like 6 months and we’ll be looking at possibly a year or longer of Snake-Eye domination once ROTA comes out. It should be a case by case basis

    • @nlm7033
      @nlm7033 11 днів тому +2

      Tear got cucked in the tcg bc all the twitter/master duel humans qq'd and meme'd too hard

    • @ducky36F
      @ducky36F 10 днів тому +4

      I just think they were correct with the way they handled ishtear. 3-4 months should have been the life for all three decks at full power. Tear pre-Ishizu was a fine power level and so is MD tear. The decks can live around that power for longer they don’t have to be killed dead but at full power these decks are ridiculous. Living in tier 0 formats at all let alone for so long is just bad game design. The self expression offered by tcgs is part of their appeal and every single one of these decks kills that dead.

    • @Demonic0Jester
      @Demonic0Jester 10 днів тому

      @@nlm7033 there are still people that say tear is "way better" than snake eyes, which is insane

    • @geek593
      @geek593 10 днів тому +3

      Tear didn't promote good gameplay or a healthy format. It enforced its own tier zero status by being the strongest thing you could be doing by far and interacting with both decks in a way that made it so playing anything other than itself would leave you instantly behind on advantage. No other deck could benefit from having its deck milled like Tear so you played Tear or you coped with Shifter. That's by definition promoting degeneracy since the only alternative is degenerate. Even ignoring what it does to the meta surrounding it (this is a boneheaded approach by the way), the gameplay itself wasn't healthy by any means. The answer to the game only being one turn long isn't having both players play entire matches within each other's turns. This was impossible to follow for most spectators and the vast majority of non-"pro" players.
      I don't like tier zeroes by nature. They're a failure of game design. But by understanding why decks become tier zero it's easier to see where the failures come from and how to quantify them. Tear Zero becomes worse the more you analyze it. Your favorite Yugitubers who get paid when viewership stays high saying the game isn't actually bad and sticking to their guns on that stated opinion years later aren't going to change my mind.

    • @geek593
      @geek593 10 днів тому +1

      @@Demonic0Jester Full power Tear would invalidate Snake-Eyes entirely due to how resilient it was, how much spot removal it had, and how well it dealt with the opponent's GY resources. Snake-Eyes being a board spam deck that can make anything it wants while having room to play dozens of hand traps doesn't play well with how Tear interacts.

  • @fettererfolgloser
    @fettererfolgloser 10 днів тому

    bro disappointed he couldnt impact the list with his months of crying.