I have the Veritas skew Rabbet plane and the Lie Nielsen rabbeting block plane. What does a skew rabbet plane bring to the table that these other two don't take care of?
Great video as always Jamie. One thing that I think also should be mentioned but maybe missed in the video is the knicker on the veritas. In my mind this is a great option to have when cutting cross grain that the lie nielsen does not have.
Ya i realized that in the edit :( I added some text about it. You are right the older LN style does not have a nicker but if buying new, the new ones do.
Great question! Not really. This would be more cleaning rabbets, shoulders, etc. It would take you a long time to use this to cut rabbets. It "could" replace the block plane but I wouldn't want to use a skew block all the time :/
Reed planes makes a depth adjustment knob for Lie Nielsen block planes with a bearing that eliminates that issue of moving the iron to the side, and it is bronze spot also looks nice. James Wright sells them.
Nice look at both planes, you brought up some great differences between them. Can you tell I'm researching some planes to round out my collection of user planes? 😁 I have both L-N and Veritas (along with vintage Stanley/Record/etc...) in my modest collection. I love both companies and their products. If someone were to decide to go with one company over the other I think they would be happy in their decision. They would be happy for the reason that they chose that brand, Modern Vintage or Modern woodworking styles.
I fully agree! It's gonna come down to preference because both will perform well! Even vintage after a bit of work they can take nice shavings too!! Keep geekin out in your research! Lol
Wow! How times have changed. When I bought my Lie-Nielsen version, in bronze, I believe it cost $245. I paid $265 for mine as the nicker was optional at that time.
Very nice video about the skew block planes. I have been looking for one for quite a while but the vendors in my country has been out of them. I will get the Veritas I think. Man…those mallets are really works of art! I take my hat off to the maker. Ten thumbs up!
@@BatCaveCreations Looks like Veritas is the only one that has a left one. Lie-Nielsen called me to the a left hand skew block plane is not available in the future. I’m still thinking about a real shooting plane, but a Veritas left skew hand block plane would be good and less expensive.
Have you thought about the kiw angle jack plane as a shooter? Alot of ppl use that and it will have more reference area than the block. And easier to use cus the weight will help
I have LN planes but not this block plane I have the Veritas. You can’t go wrong with that thing. I have the right hand I will buy the left also. Absolutely a great buy.
One thing to remember with rabbit and shoulder planes is you lay it on it's side to align them with the side you're using. It seems like the knob on the Lie Nielsen is huge
great point! The knob is huge on the LN lol they did change it in thw newest version to kinda look like the side of a yo-yo hahah look it up i dont like it at all!
The irritating lateral movement you describe when advancing or retracting the iron on the Lie Nielsen skew isn't a problem on the original Stanley 140 which uses a much bigger diameter cast wheel to advance and retract a toothed sliding block that engages corrugations in the underside of the iron. My LN 60-1/2 utilizes the same adjuster system and it also produces the dreaded "side creep" that the original Stanley 60-1/2 avoids. Seems like LN's "improved" iron adjustment, while admittedly substantial, has a fatal flaw. Another thought provoking video Jamie, thanks.
spot on! I had a LN 60 1/2 and sold it for that reason. The Jorgensen actually has less "side creep" than the LN does hahah but.... i got the Veritas block so now that is my go to haha Thank you!!
These planes are very nice. They remind me a little of the Stanley no. 78 although better. I like the bed angle on these vs. the 78, and the depth adjustments are light years ahead. It was a great idea to compare these two with each other, but a comparison with the 78 would really show the innovations these companies have made over Stanley. No these are not the same planes, but they function the same and in my opinion worth a look. Thanks again for the great video. This format is working well.
My buddy is letting me borrow the Veritas Skew Rabbit plane (not the block plane like this one). That is closer to the no 78 so imma try to get my hands on one of those and show the comparison. its sooo tough including Stanleys because of the type differences and all the changes :/ ill do my best hahaha
@@What_Other_Hobbies thats the one I was trying to think of! that is close to the Skew Rabbit Plane Veritas has, a buddy is letting me borrow his so I can test it out :D
Thank you! I think I was starting to get grumpy in the video, for the reasons I stated at the end and in the end of the custom 4 video. I will keep giving straight fact but I need to watch my tone when talking about the LN hahhah
Personally I don’t like the PMV11 but this plane is a good candidate for it because it holds an edge longer which is good because it’s marginally harder to sharpen a skew blade and I intend to make light cuts in rather soft woods with it. Mine has O1 tool steel though the pros didn’t outweigh the cons for me. I don’t like the style with the removable side plate, too many parts to get lost in the shavings, less strong, not ready when you want and unnecessary, lie Nielson dropped the ball on this one. I believe they have a regular rabbit block plane that has the arched sides but it has no practical use because traditional rabbit planes exist.
that is a great point about sharpening, skew is tougher to sharpen so PMV11 may benefit a bit! Idk that I would spend the money to replace a blade if I already have one but I am cheep hahaha
@@BatCaveCreationsI imagine it’s a pain in the a** to fix if you accidentally change the skew angle. My only PMV11 blade I only sharpen with a jig because it’s too hard to freehand sharpen also I’ve chipped it a couple times on knots or something. Not my favorite steel.
@@snakeplisken2123 spot on! I have chipped PMV and messed up angles before.... I go to the grinder and im not a fan of the grinder but much faster than trying to do it by hand. Sometimes I use 60g sand paper (shhh hahaha)
There is no bias IMO. From a comfort, usability and price perspective...its a no contest in favor of Veritas. Yes, the LNs are classically beautiful and well made tools, but as you stated, they are copies with slight improvements. Not to mention, almost double the price.
Lie Nielsen 18 degrees, Veritas 15 degrees. The Lie Nielsen sharpening jig has optional skewed jaw pairs for that iron. I wish they offered a 15 degree option, because I have the sharpening jig
$385 or $239 for a block plane? Pass. It looks as if neither of those planes have ever been used. Thats my experience with block planes, they rarely come out of my drawer.
The one i borrowed from J.R. (the veritas) gets used a lot on his shop and for what he makes. Ive had the LN for a while and well...... havent used it... ever :D But there is a Rob Cossman video where he uses these for a dovetail trick. and I do really like them for the idea of cleaning a rabbit. idk if i would use them to cut a rabbit but I dont cut rabbits often. I usually go for grooves. It all depends on you and what you make. 99% of woodworking is preference :D
I use my block plane all the time for all sorts of jobs. I personally couldn't live without it, it's almost always in reach I'm from England so I don't know if its maybe the way we're taught , as I've heard American woodworkers say it before Don't think Paul sellers is a fan to be fair
Also, there's absolutely no reason to have that much lateral adjustment on a plane of this design. I'm talking about the Veritas here. Talking about it as a feature, and using the tool to do its job are two different things all together. The Lie-Nielsen and the original Stanley's have very little for a reason. When a person gets around to using these tools for their intended purpose they will understand why there's absolutely no reason to swing this iron 10 degrees. I'm not knocking Veritas, I own some of their specialty planes and enjoy them (their plow plane is the best money can buy IMO) but, on the 140, very little lateral is a plus.
I agree with other commenters, you did a great job as usual presenting a great review. No bias that I could see.
Thank you!!!
I have the Veritas skew Rabbet plane and the Lie Nielsen rabbeting block plane. What does a skew rabbet plane bring to the table that these other two don't take care of?
The dedicated Veritas Skew Rabbet Plane just makes cutting rabbets easier. If you cut alot its worth it imo but not necessary
Hey Jamie ima buy a rabbiting plane… do u recommend the rabbiting scew block plane or scew rabbiting plane from Lee Valley
Hey! If you plan on using it to cut rabbets I reccomend the rabbeting plane. The block plane is tough to cut rabbets with :/
Great video as always Jamie. One thing that I think also should be mentioned but maybe missed in the video is the knicker on the veritas. In my mind this is a great option to have when cutting cross grain that the lie nielsen does not have.
Both have nickers
Ya i realized that in the edit :( I added some text about it. You are right the older LN style does not have a nicker but if buying new, the new ones do.
Does this skew plane completely replaces both a rabbet and regular block planes?
Great question! Not really. This would be more cleaning rabbets, shoulders, etc. It would take you a long time to use this to cut rabbets.
It "could" replace the block plane but I wouldn't want to use a skew block all the time :/
@@BatCaveCreations thanks for the reply
@@OrangeGeemer anytime!
Reed planes makes a depth adjustment knob for Lie Nielsen block planes with a bearing that eliminates that issue of moving the iron to the side, and it is bronze spot also looks nice. James Wright sells them.
I heard about those! haven't been able to test one yet but I hear great things about them!
Nice look at both planes, you brought up some great differences between them. Can you tell I'm researching some planes to round out my collection of user planes? 😁
I have both L-N and Veritas (along with vintage Stanley/Record/etc...) in my modest collection. I love both companies and their products. If someone were to decide to go with one company over the other I think they would be happy in their decision. They would be happy for the reason that they chose that brand, Modern Vintage or Modern woodworking styles.
I fully agree! It's gonna come down to preference because both will perform well! Even vintage after a bit of work they can take nice shavings too!!
Keep geekin out in your research! Lol
Wow! How times have changed. When I bought my Lie-Nielsen version, in bronze, I believe it cost $245. I paid $265 for mine as the nicker was optional at that time.
Very nice video about the skew block planes. I have been looking for one for quite a while but the vendors in my country has been out of them. I will get the Veritas I think.
Man…those mallets are really works of art! I take my hat off to the maker. Ten thumbs up!
Thank you!! Sorry they are out of stock :( I wonder if you can get one on ebay?
Question: I use a right hand shooting board. I’d like to get a skew block plane for the it. Which hand of these planes should I get?
Hey! I would reccomend getting the left handed one. The iron skew angle would match that of the shooting plane
@@BatCaveCreations Thanks!
@@BatCaveCreations Looks like Veritas is the only one that has a left one. Lie-Nielsen called me to the a left hand skew block plane is not available in the future. I’m still thinking about a real shooting plane, but a Veritas left skew hand block plane would be good and less expensive.
Have you thought about the kiw angle jack plane as a shooter? Alot of ppl use that and it will have more reference area than the block. And easier to use cus the weight will help
I might get the Veritas left hand skew rabbet plane. Is that the one?
I have LN planes but not this block plane I have the Veritas. You can’t go wrong with that thing. I have the right hand I will buy the left also. Absolutely a great buy.
Eventually thats what I want too! One of each! They both have a place in the shop imo!
One thing to remember with rabbit and shoulder planes is you lay it on it's side to align them with the side you're using. It seems like the knob on the Lie Nielsen is huge
great point!
The knob is huge on the LN lol they did change it in thw newest version to kinda look like the side of a yo-yo hahah look it up i dont like it at all!
I have both the right and left Veritas versions. They are really useful and versitile.
The irritating lateral movement you describe when advancing or retracting the iron on the Lie Nielsen skew isn't a problem on the original Stanley 140 which uses a much bigger diameter cast wheel to advance and retract a toothed sliding block that engages corrugations in the underside of the iron. My LN 60-1/2 utilizes the same adjuster system and it also produces the dreaded "side creep" that the original Stanley 60-1/2 avoids. Seems like LN's "improved" iron adjustment, while admittedly substantial, has a fatal flaw.
Another thought provoking video Jamie, thanks.
spot on! I had a LN 60 1/2 and sold it for that reason. The Jorgensen actually has less "side creep" than the LN does hahah but.... i got the Veritas block so now that is my go to haha
Thank you!!
Very thorough thanks
These planes are very nice. They remind me a little of the Stanley no. 78 although better. I like the bed angle on these vs. the 78, and the depth adjustments are light years ahead.
It was a great idea to compare these two with each other, but a comparison with the 78 would really show the innovations these companies have made over Stanley. No these are not the same planes, but they function the same and in my opinion worth a look.
Thanks again for the great video. This format is working well.
Also, this makes me want to sell my 78 and get the Veritas lol!
My buddy is letting me borrow the Veritas Skew Rabbit plane (not the block plane like this one). That is closer to the no 78 so imma try to get my hands on one of those and show the comparison. its sooo tough including Stanleys because of the type differences and all the changes :/ ill do my best hahaha
Have you considered Stanley No 289?
@@What_Other_Hobbies thats the one I was trying to think of! that is close to the Skew Rabbit Plane Veritas has, a buddy is letting me borrow his so I can test it out :D
@@BatCaveCreations I have a complete one and an incomplete one, but haven't used either yet.
Wasn't Biased. You were statingfacts. The Veritas in my opinion is far superior in design and price. ESPECIALLY PRICE. I've used both. Great Job.
Thank you! I think I was starting to get grumpy in the video, for the reasons I stated at the end and in the end of the custom 4 video. I will keep giving straight fact but I need to watch my tone when talking about the LN hahhah
@@BatCaveCreations I understand that. Lol
Personally I don’t like the PMV11 but this plane is a good candidate for it because it holds an edge longer which is good because it’s marginally harder to sharpen a skew blade and I intend to make light cuts in rather soft woods with it. Mine has O1 tool steel though the pros didn’t outweigh the cons for me. I don’t like the style with the removable side plate, too many parts to get lost in the shavings, less strong, not ready when you want and unnecessary, lie Nielson dropped the ball on this one. I believe they have a regular rabbit block plane that has the arched sides but it has no practical use because traditional rabbit planes exist.
that is a great point about sharpening, skew is tougher to sharpen so PMV11 may benefit a bit! Idk that I would spend the money to replace a blade if I already have one but I am cheep hahaha
@@BatCaveCreationsI imagine it’s a pain in the a** to fix if you accidentally change the skew angle. My only PMV11 blade I only sharpen with a jig because it’s too hard to freehand sharpen also I’ve chipped it a couple times on knots or something. Not my favorite steel.
@@snakeplisken2123 spot on! I have chipped PMV and messed up angles before.... I go to the grinder and im not a fan of the grinder but much faster than trying to do it by hand. Sometimes I use 60g sand paper (shhh hahaha)
There is no bias IMO. From a comfort, usability and price perspective...its a no contest in favor of Veritas. Yes, the LNs are classically beautiful and well made tools, but as you stated, they are copies with slight improvements. Not to mention, almost double the price.
YES!
Lie Nielsen 18 degrees, Veritas 15 degrees. The Lie Nielsen sharpening jig has optional skewed jaw pairs for that iron. I wish they offered a 15 degree option, because I have the sharpening jig
They are bias hahahhaahha
I got my Stanley 140 skewed block plane for $25 and love it.
Wow great find!!!
I think veritas is just as good as nielsen
$385 or $239 for a block plane? Pass. It looks as if neither of those planes have ever been used. Thats my experience with block planes, they rarely come out of my drawer.
The one i borrowed from J.R. (the veritas) gets used a lot on his shop and for what he makes. Ive had the LN for a while and well...... havent used it... ever :D But there is a Rob Cossman video where he uses these for a dovetail trick. and I do really like them for the idea of cleaning a rabbit. idk if i would use them to cut a rabbit but I dont cut rabbits often. I usually go for grooves. It all depends on you and what you make. 99% of woodworking is preference :D
I use my block plane all the time for all sorts of jobs.
I personally couldn't live without it, it's almost always in reach
I'm from England so I don't know if its maybe the way we're taught , as I've heard American woodworkers say it before
Don't think Paul sellers is a fan to be fair
Also, there's absolutely no reason to have that much lateral adjustment on a plane of this design. I'm talking about the Veritas here. Talking about it as a feature, and using the tool to do its job are two different things all together. The Lie-Nielsen and the original Stanley's have very little for a reason. When a person gets around to using these tools for their intended purpose they will understand why there's absolutely no reason to swing this iron 10 degrees. I'm not knocking Veritas, I own some of their specialty planes and enjoy them (their plow plane is the best money can buy IMO) but, on the 140, very little lateral is a plus.
lie nielsen is damn classic beautiful but the veritas is the real worth money maker in the shop it saves a lot of time for fine tuning.
I agree!