We were really surprised to see just how much root growth that tree put on. We had to cut those roots to get it out of the ground, so they continued on for many more feet beyond that area!
Fruiting olives would be great! Evergreen , love the heat not high water needs. After only the 3rd year i was able to get 6 jars of olives from only 2 trees. I have 5 total hoping they all flower this year! Olives and wine all you need it cheese!
What about two Emory Oaks? They're evergreen, the acorns taste pretty good and they're native to your area. Plus, they look very pretty if they're well taken care of!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarmPeople in central/northern Florida do this for a lot of more sensative trees. I also saw someone who had the brilliant idea of planting in giant wheelbarrows like planters and would just wheel them inside cold nights. If you really want a mango just for personal consumption, get a dwarf like pickering that is really productive at a small size and do this kind of thing.
Here's a suggestion for the front of the farm..instead of an evergreen fruit tree..how about a non fruiting tree that will look good and be really big..like an oak or maple or pine..some of them change colors with seasons..some stay evergreen..some produce nuts..great habitat for wild birds and good to look at or sit under when they get big..love a big oak tree that tells stories..
Good idea! For more vibrant ecosystems, include native oak, willow, and cherry in your garden and city landscapes. This is a paraphrase of Doug Tallamy's work.
Certain citrus fruits are evergreen and a few varieties are pretty frost hardy. Satsuma mandarins and kumquats can take temps down to 14 degrees Fahrenheit.
Strawberry Tree “Arbutus unedo”. Beautiful peeling red bark, maybe my favorite looking tree but you can also grow them as a bush. Handles cold like a champ and is super productive. The fruit is great for jams and can be added to smoothies. I like them fresh but not everyone does. White Sapote is also great as long as you can grow citrus without issue, which you clearly can in your area. I recommend “Vernon” or “Suebelle” for varieties.
We have a friend of ours who has a strawberry tree out in Apache Junction. She's a little warmer than we are here and we visited her last Winter. From what I recall it had lost most of it's leaves, but I could be mistaken.
If you want a mango get a Pickering mango in a pot and put it on the east side of your home march-December then put it in the garage Jan-febish. Pickering are dwarf and easy to fruit in a pot. I you want one in the ground get a polyembryonic seedling like sweet tart, lemon zest, coconut cream and keep it in a pot for many years until it’s outgrowing a 25 gallon pot then plant it on the east side of your home in march. The seedling trees are much hardier and the home will help keep it warm. That’s your best chance if you’re not going to protect and baby it! Good luck !
That is the challenge for us here. We would need to move it in during the Winter AND Summer. It's too hot and dry in the summer and too cold in the Winter. At least when they're young.
Loquat were delicious when i was a child i southern California grew as street trees. We didnt get such low temps as i get at 6000' in New Mexico. Here i have Apples Peach Pear Cherry and others.
love to watch you guys because our growing situations are si opposite I live in the cold wet and windy north west of Ireland and would just love some of your dry sunny weather.
Lori. You CAN, have your mango. Grow it in a 30+ gal pot. Keep in warm garage in winter,or wherever is warm when cold. I have several in central Florida. Just make sure you select cold tolerant
I've been away in the Philippines for a few months so nice to be back in Arizona and catch up on what I've missed! Have to say everything I want to grow Mango included is so easy over there... 😁 ❤
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Dwarf Meyer lemon...can make vinegar with the rinds after zesting the outside to dehydrate the zest and then juicing the inside. You can use the lemon vinegar in salad dressings or to use for cleaning.
My votes 1) White sapote (not a tropical but a sub-tropical like citrus), 2) Valentine Pomelo or 3) Aravaipa avocado. Olive trees are great but I'd be worried about the pollen so close to the house. If you are not set on fruiting plants, then Magnolia X Alba/Champaca
Great suggestions. We're not fans of the White Sapote, but citrus is still on the table. The avocado would be too much work for us to try to limp through our Winters and Summers as young avos don't like the cold or the dry heat. We have a neighbor who has olive trees, so I think we need to spend some time over there during flowering to see if the pollen is an issue.
Very true. We have some prickly pear growing and apple cactus is a solid option. I think we would plant those elsewhere that doesn't need the irrigation.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm cereus can freeze burn at the top end, esp when young, and they can dehydrate over the summer if they don't get some monsoon water. they can be tropical.
Yes, that is a great idea. I am planning t do so for a cinnamon tree and keep it to certain height. For the mangoes is easier because there are some dwarf ones, i have two of them and when the weather gets cold I cover them with a burlap.
will have to remember that. Burlap! Does the higher UV burn any of your plants out there? I have to cover with at least 40% UV screens and some in 70% in summertime@@EdgeofNowhereFarm
My suggestion for trees I have here in San Antonio that made it thru 14F in 2022 and are evergreen: -Pineapple guava (albert pride) -Hamlin sweet orange -Arctic frost satsuma I am also hopeful my white sapote tree and lemon guava (sweeter than strawberry guava I hear) will also be just as tough. They’re sub-tropical and pretty cold hardy once established.
Great suggestions here. If you remember, you'll have to let us know if you get a harvest from that lemon guava. We have tried strawberry guava twice and they survive ok, but never gave us any fruit.
Great suggestion and you can't see it in this episode, but we have 2 of them planted in the area immediately adjacent to the are we're working on today!
If you haven’t given up on the guavas yet I would recommend the pineapple guavas, they’re more cold hardy and would make a beautiful and edible evergreen hedge. You could potentially do more citrus or loquats too, both evergreen and the citrus has great smelling blooms imo.
Oh the loss! You're breaking my heart. With all the wonderful work you do and the guidance you offer year after year, isn't feeding the soil the main objective. Lots of wood chips. Lots of compost. Is that enough compost (you asked)? Nope. And you added more woodchips. While the root system structure at 6:26 is an educational visual, my heart is breaking over the loss of wood and water infiltration structure that has now been removed from the soil. We are feeding an ecosystem beneath our feet. If the tree or shrub has no disease, cut it off at ground level and plant the next tree next to it. Keep living roots in the soil. Maintain a cover (armor) on the soil. Feed the biology beneath the soil. Peace, health, and respect for all you have done so far and all the goodness you bring to the soil.
Thank you for this well written comment. I can't argue against any of the points you're making, but rest assured there are still a LOT of roots in that spot that will be helping to feed the trees we will replace in this area. Oh and keep an eye out for the episode we have coming out this Saturday, it goes hand in hand with what you're discussing here. 😉
More figs! They do fine here in new mexico. 20f at night in winters. 100f in summers. My figs are just happy. I suggest brown turkey of desert king white fig.
We're big fans of figs as well and have 14 varieties here on the farm. Unfortunately they're not evergreen and that's a requirement up at the front of the house for Lori. That being said, we have the Brown Turkey, but not the Desert King. How does that one produce for you compared to the BT?
Awesome, the desert king produces the same as brown turkey but I think is bit bigger fig. I like the flavor more on the desert king along with other white figs. I noticed that if we get a very bad winter, the less cold hardy figs will just grow back bigger and stronger from the base root. On the 2nd year of new grow back we will get a huge harvest as the previous dieback promotes a higher yield as figs fruit only on new growth. Also if you plant on a southern side brick wall, in the winter the sun will heat up that thick wall and keep your trees a bit warmer in winter. In the summer you can plant some desert grasses and weeds to shade your trees and the wall from getting hot at all. Tall figs will only recieve sun from the top promoting tall growth.
Also the thicker and older your fig trees get the more drought tolerant and cold hardy they will get. My family in Sicily has been growing figs in the mountains in a zone 8 climate with mild to cold winter's in the 20s and really hot summers in the 100s with no water. It rains about 20 inches from October to June in Sicily. It is completely dry from mid June till late September. Trees produce a few large figs about the size of a mango in May. Then mid July comes the main crop during the drought. Fig trees will store water in the white latex sap for a long time used to produce the main crop in July. Fig trees will stop growing in July. Fig trees will lose there leaves in late October and November and sleep for 3 months. Figs will start to grow roots in lat February/March and grow green March till July. As you may have cold winter's. Don't water fig tree in winter as water is what causes ice crystals to expand and cause damage. Tree should be fully dormant and will receive no water. Water in March till July. Let tree become stressed in the summer heat. I would assume in Arizona the fruiting season will be in aguest and not July. The Arizona monsoon rains should be enough to water the trees on its fruiting season especially if you watered your trees a ton in March and April to mimic the winter Mediterranean and Sicilian wet season.
We have black fig trees on long Island new york. What kills them temporarily with die back is tomuch rain in the winter then freezing 20-15f days after. Then more rain in April and may with out proper drainage as thick forest soil holds tomuch water and is acidic in PH as apposed to more alkaline clay and sandy soil seen in New Mexico, Arizona, the middle east and Sicily. Hope this helps.
We had another viewer recently ask about keeping her peaches warm that had already started budding out. I suggest a smudge pot, so I assume it's similar?
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm A greenhouse with just some 50 gallon water drums for passive heating during cold nights would do nicely for mangoes and other tropicals
If you want to grow mangoes, maybe you can try the same variety that is grown in Japan. Those should be much more cold tolerant than those purely tropical variety.
Look, I know it isn't popular opinion but you should put in some more citrus. It is amazing and it grows so well here. The other great thing is that it stays on the tree for so long. I would do more citrus if I had space.
Thank you for sharing your experience, and I am sorry for your guava tree's situation. There is a gentleman in Nebraska who has successfully grown citrus fruits, regardless of the existing climate. By using geothermal technology like him, you may be able to successfully grow guava and mango in your area, just like he does. Good luck!
My parents thought their guavas were gross but when I’m in Hawaii they taste great and suspect that it must be the varieties sold in the southwest. Maybe try oro blanco or valentine hybrids? They look like grapefruits but the pomelo with the Blanco and the blood orange in the valentine creates a pleasant Subacid fruit that still tastes like grapefruit. They are special and sell for nice prices at farmers markets in Orange County ca.
I personally think Olives. Y'all are busy, and they don't require a lot of attention. It is a lot of work to process olives from what I've been told, so keep that in mind. Your Loquat look beautiful. I've been on the struggle bus with those.
We've had several folks suggest olives, by far the most suggested here. We've learned the best thing you can do for loquats is plant them at the right time of year to give them a good chance to put down roots before the hot weather. We will only plant them in October.
I have three guavas I live in Buckeye thankfully it hasn’t gotten cold enough to really damage them. I’m impressed by how big they are. I have one about two years old. The other one has been in the ground about a year and a half and there are nowhere near that size. Any tips on making them grow faster?
The biggest thing with any of our fruit trees here in AZ is getting those roots to grow out and away from the tree. Heavy mulch and deep, infrequent irrigation can accomplish this by "conditioning" the surrounding dirt allowing the roots to continue to grow out and away. As you know, our dirt isn't exactly conducive to root growth without some moisture added to it!
One of my favorite videos was the guava taste test! Omg I laughed soooo hard and replayed it about 10 times😂 Flowers and feet 😂💀 It didn't seem like Duane wanted to remove the tree, so it was a sacrifice RIP😢 Love you guys!
Sorry about your trees. I have a white guava tree, and we had a 2nd one but pulled it out. Just be aware that whatever root bits remained may keep going. It's a never-ending problem for me in the area where the old guava tree was, and I'm constantly pulling guava greenery out.
Hmm, that's a tough one, but I would probably go with either grapefruit or lemon for the most productive of those trees. The main reason is they tend to be consistent from year to year where mandarins can be alternate bearing. Some oranges can as well.
Duane, I sent you an email with a picture of my monstrose cactus. There are many different varieties of monstrose, so I attached a photo of the one in my backyard.
Indian Jujube/ Ziziphus mauritiana! They're "tropical" but ours took 25F multiple nights this winter and stayed mostly green without protection. And its only a year old. The fruit is much juicier than the chinese jujujbe, similar flavor to a mild green apple.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Very delicious! I can't get enough of them. The Chinese jujube has a slightly stronger flavor, but nowhere near as juicy and refreshing as the Indian jujube.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Actually thought of 2 more, either a bay leaf tree or a strawberry tree. In portugal the strawberry tree is called a Medronho from which they make a type of everclear with the same name. Both are also evergreens.
Even with the trunk green, I doubt they would have made it. My Rainbow Eucalyptus was doing well then started losing leaves to the point of having none. I kept checking the trunk and it was green for a long time but then it gave up the ghost. :( So good to see you yanked them.
Hey Eric. We were not sure about that either and from what I understand they can come back from the roots as long as the ground doesn't freeze, but you know us here. They need to stay productive to stay on the farm! Sorry about that Euc. Those are beautiful trees!
I’ve grown Manila Mango for almost 3 years now in ground and I’ve never protected it. Im in the Bay Area so we are more mild than you in the winter but we can get down to 28. I think the lowest this tree has seen is 29 and it came out just fine.
The second tree you saw us pulling was a pink guava. It was a little better than the white, but we were still not fans of them. It was just hard to go through all of this when the rest of our trees require almost no TLC!
I say, plant a monstrose cactus. They also grow some very good fruit. My monstrose cactus is very prolific and the fruit is delicious. It will remind you of a kiwi. Also, the fruit does not have any thorns on it. It's smooth.
from what I remember, you need to create an isolation above your trees, like a trapped warm air bubble. what is that supposed to mean ?? well, you bring a pile of moistured wood and burn it on the night of the expected frost. this will create isolation and your trees are saved. by burning the moistured/greenwood/grass you've made a thick layer of smoke, lots of smoke that works as a barrier. these piles are situated individually between each tree in the entire field. if you don't have moistured wood, you can burn cow manure.
I imagine that would be a fine way of keeping trees warm in the Winter. Reminds me of smudge pots that I know used to be used in the citrus fields that once surrounded the Phoenix area.
I have little patience with my guava as well. People say they taste better as they get older, this is the last year mine has a chance to prove it to me. I was going to suggest Aravaipa Avocado but then remembered Duane is allergic. Do you already have Lychee? I am anxious to see what you choose!
Hey there Pam!! Yeah, we are pretty much done with anything that takes any extra work. As you know, we already have plenty to do around here and babying a tree is just not on the list!! 😂
In permaculture design and others drought resistance and fertility practices when you are planting in a dry region, they recomend to plant trees close together and with diferent mature heights, so the multiple canopy help to maintain moisture and increase soil fertility faster with the organic matter build up. In that regard, why would you plant trees so far apart ?
We are a production farm with a planned U-pick operation, so the trees are spaced so they can reach their full size potential width wise, while being kept shorter for folks to reach the fruit. An understory would still work with this setup, but with the danger of rattle snakes and the general public visiting the farm we can't take chances with that. Hence we've gone the heavy mulch route to start building soil and maintain moisture and temperature for the trees.
I think if Lori's going to try a mango it would need to either stay in a pot or greenhouse, so a dwarf would be the way to go. Avocadoes would need protection in both the Winter and Summer unfortunately.
What do you think of EVERGREEN HUCKLEBERRY Vaccinium ovatum Pursh, Plant Symbol = VAOV2. Then you could make Huckleberry Wine and Huckleberry Dressing for Thanksgiving and Christmas to go with your wonderful turkey!!
Noooooo guys! Your only problem was timing. Those guava trees can produce very well had you pruned them before the frost time. I know of some área in Mexico where guava growers cut their trees 40 to 50 cm from the soil and in some cases when they expect freezing temperatures like -5 and even as low as -10 ºC they cover the guava trees trunk with some burlap or cardboard. They uncover the trees once lent has passed. There is a believe from farmers that frost can happen until lent is over. Also you could have planted the guava trees on a south side by the home and that would give an extra protection to the guava trees. Guava fruit is so delicious and so health full that I almost cried when you removed your guava trees.I do have one guava tree that produces 2 types of fruit, some like the regular guavas and the other a pinkish one and they both are delicious yet I did prune my guava tree in December and now it is full of new growth. Every 10 or so years we get snow and temperature can drop to -12 ºC for some hours or even a few days. Trees have to be protected in such events. Suggestion for evergreens, maybe a pine tree? I have a beautiful and not common pine tree (pino azul) Pinus maximartinezii which pine nuts are doble the size than the regular pine nuts. Or what about an olive trees?.
Yeah, I'm sure these would have bounced back eventually, but losing a season of production and just not really liking the fruit lead us to the decision. We've had a few folks here suggest olive and we had not considered that for this spot!
I'm in Australia, so you will have to excuse my ignorance when I ask this... What zone are you in? Even without knowing your zone, I would suggest either Fig trees or, citrus such as a Meyer lemon or a mandarin...
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm On doing a little research, I have found that there are a couple of mangoes that will grow in zone 9... It would involve doing some research around your area and protecting them during the coldest part of the year though. For that reason, I would suggest dwarf varieties that could be kept in pots that could be moved to follow the seasons... Good Luck with them if you decide to follow that path... Remember "Happy wife-happy life" ;)
I think... If you want Mango's that bad, Then consider building an environment that will house and enclose the mango and (whatever else you wish) through the winter. In other words. Controlled environment. Stress free environment. Good Luck. I've seen it done right here on You Tube. 🌄🏡
Coming from here I'd say olive trees, the price of olive oil has gone through the roof this year... they look amazing, last for hundreds of years and will definitely survive colder temperatures
Why don’t y’all give pineapple guavas (Feijoa sellowiana) a try? They’re evergreen and there are named varieties that produce much larger fruit as well. Plenty cold hardy with no flowers and feet taste either!
Ah yes, it may have been hard to pick up where we were located, but we planted our second Pineapple guava just a few weeks ago. We have one adjacent to the area you see us working on here.
What about a kei apple? I have a huge curiosity about the plant. It sounds delicious. Its evergreen. Hardy to 9a. Drought tolerant. I've never actually tasted one but man I would love to. It does have wicked thorns but thorns are not a put off for me.
Good news. Because Moringa is cold-sensitive. You are fortunate not to have waterlogging. Rhis is a certain noose. Exoerienced 4 hectares of 100mm trunk plantation yellow in no time. RSA. @@EdgeofNowhereFarm
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I live in the Southern California high desert. I started my food forest a year ago. Started with 14 trees and I depend a lot on wood chips. They are hard to source. On average I get a load once a month. My well produces enough water but it is high in salts and boron. Average rainfall is 7 inches 😂. My apricot is flowering. Everything else is budding, and I hope to flower some Mexican sunflowers and zinnias this year. My chickens are laying like crazy and providing manure. Wish me luck. 🍀. I enjoy your channel. Thanks for putting in the effort.
My loquat was doing great about to set fruit with so many blooms a few months ago and then for some reason over about a week it looked like it completely fried! Its not in full sun. I’m so sad.
Well, that's frustrating. It sounds similar to what we have going on with our MacBeth. Our tree has some knotting growths around the trunk that I think may be some type of disease. Are you seeing any issues like that?
I wouldn't say only for biomass, but the moringa do fit that bill. We harvest the green leaves and the branches and twigs go through a chipper like butter!
Why not make a tight packed area of cold sensitive trees so they can benefit from each other and maybe surround them with non sensitve bushes ...you know..
Those would really struggle for us out here. We're just too cold in the Winter and they need protection from both the Summer dry weather and Winter cold. That's a bit more work than we're willing to put in for a tree. Lazy gardeners that we are..😉
We added a 2nd pineapple guava a few weeks ago, so we have 2 varieties now. Hopefully that will help with fruit set. Even the flowers taste good on those!
Pinyon pines? Blue oaks? Mexican elderberries will get up to 20 feet, may or may not be green all year. Too bad you had to kill them, 'cause boxed up they would have been a prize for someone who actually likes them. Happy St. Pat's day, me bucks!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Yo! The Capulin cherry is an evergreen. Good fruit from it, too. First year it went in it had a caliper of half-inch and budded. niio, kids!
I have found myself letting plants die because water is expensive and I don't want to waste time and energy IF I really don't like what I am growing. I have no idea what you should grow there and by now, March 20 th you probably have shown us what you chose and I haven't viewed it yet
We know just how you feel June. Plants around here need to earn their keep and water is precious. We do have some ideas what we want up here, but we are not going to plant it out until Fall. So far we've had a lot of folks suggest olive which we actually had not considered!
That may worth trying. The only thing I would be concerned about are those solid 20 degree mornings we get from time to time. Might be pushing that one a bit.
I haven't seen a documented case of an avocado easily surviving down past 30 degrees without significant protection which we're trying to avoid. A few folks have had some limited success in the city, but that is easily 5-10 degrees warmer than we are out here. With that they're covering young trees in the Summer and giving supplemental heat in the Winter.
My condolences on your loss, I know how much the guava trees meant to you. I don't think anything can replace the taste of flowers and feet.
Bahhh haha! To funny!
Neither of us have a foot fetish, so these trees had no chance!! 😂😂
I can’t open the comments page, so I am replying here. Have you considered olive trees. They are beautiful, productive and easy to manipulate.
@@tamardevane6635 we've had several folks suggest olive. Lori is not a fan of eating them, but olive oil is always good to have around for cooking!!
The root system on that first tree you pulled out was nothing short of impressive! Thanks for pulling it with such care!
We were really surprised to see just how much root growth that tree put on. We had to cut those roots to get it out of the ground, so they continued on for many more feet beyond that area!
Fruiting olives would be great! Evergreen , love the heat not high water needs. After only the 3rd year i was able to get 6 jars of olives from only 2 trees. I have 5 total hoping they all flower this year! Olives and wine all you need it cheese!
Olives are a great idea. Mine is fruiting like crazy this year even in a pot
We've had several folks here suggest olive and that is a SOLID suggestion!
What about two Emory Oaks? They're evergreen, the acorns taste pretty good and they're native to your area. Plus, they look very pretty if they're well taken care of!
I have to admit, we did not consider oak trees, but you're the second person here to suggest that!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarmthere’s oaks doing excellent in Peoria next to cinder block walls lol, would probably do good in Wittmann too
Condolences from Western Australia. It is sad loosing your leafy children.
Howdy from the other side of the world!
When I lived in Maricopa during cold nights, I would cover Lemon trees and old-style Christmas tree lights that generated heat. It worked.
That's a brilliant idea.
You would definitely need the old style lights for sure. They would have to generate some heat.
Another trick is to create a string of regular incandescent light bulbs about 5 to 6 75 watt or greater.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarmPeople in central/northern Florida do this for a lot of more sensative trees. I also saw someone who had the brilliant idea of planting in giant wheelbarrows like planters and would just wheel them inside cold nights. If you really want a mango just for personal consumption, get a dwarf like pickering that is really productive at a small size and do this kind of thing.
You two make me smile and I like it. Thanks guys. 😊
Glad you enjoyed this one!!
Here's a suggestion for the front of the farm..instead of an evergreen fruit tree..how about a non fruiting tree that will look good and be really big..like an oak or maple or pine..some of them change colors with seasons..some stay evergreen..some produce nuts..great habitat for wild birds and good to look at or sit under when they get big..love a big oak tree that tells stories..
I will say, a huge oak tree would really be a sight to see here in the desert!
Good idea! For more vibrant ecosystems, include native oak, willow, and cherry in your garden and city landscapes. This is a paraphrase of Doug Tallamy's work.
Certain citrus fruits are evergreen and a few varieties are pretty frost hardy. Satsuma mandarins and kumquats can take temps down to 14 degrees Fahrenheit.
Those are great suggestions. We have a few kumquats and they do look great year round.
Strawberry Tree “Arbutus unedo”.
Beautiful peeling red bark, maybe my favorite looking tree but you can also grow them as a bush. Handles cold like a champ and is super productive. The fruit is great for jams and can be added to smoothies. I like them fresh but not everyone does.
White Sapote is also great as long as you can grow citrus without issue, which you clearly can in your area. I recommend “Vernon” or “Suebelle” for varieties.
We have a friend of ours who has a strawberry tree out in Apache Junction. She's a little warmer than we are here and we visited her last Winter. From what I recall it had lost most of it's leaves, but I could be mistaken.
If you want a mango get a Pickering mango in a pot and put it on the east side of your home march-December then put it in the garage Jan-febish. Pickering are dwarf and easy to fruit in a pot.
I you want one in the ground get a polyembryonic seedling like sweet tart, lemon zest, coconut cream and keep it in a pot for many years until it’s outgrowing a 25 gallon pot then plant it on the east side of your home in march. The seedling trees are much hardier and the home will help keep it warm. That’s your best chance if you’re not going to protect and baby it! Good luck !
Great suggestions. We figure it would need to be near the home and the East side would make the most sense (shade even during the middle of Summer).
I knew of someone who grew mango in the north east (New York?). He had it in a huge pot and moved it inside the garage with his tractor. 💖🌞🌵😷
That is the challenge for us here. We would need to move it in during the Winter AND Summer. It's too hot and dry in the summer and too cold in the Winter. At least when they're young.
Loquat were delicious when i was a child i southern California grew as street trees. We didnt get such low temps as i get at 6000' in New Mexico. Here i have Apples Peach Pear Cherry and others.
Yeah, it's a bit too cold for those there probably, but it sounds like we share the same memories of these as children in SoCal!
love to watch you guys because our growing situations are si opposite I live in the cold wet and windy north west of Ireland and would just love some of your dry sunny weather.
Oh my, talk about a totally different climate. I can only imagine how green your summers must be!!
Lori. You CAN, have your mango. Grow it in a 30+ gal pot. Keep in warm garage in winter,or wherever is warm when cold. I have several in central Florida. Just make sure you select cold tolerant
We do have a nice, cozy outbuilding!! 🤔
I've been away in the Philippines for a few months so nice to be back in Arizona and catch up on what I've missed!
Have to say everything I want to grow Mango included is so easy over there... 😁 ❤
I imagine the mango trees over there are impressive!!
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Thank you I'm learning!!
Dwarf Meyer lemon...can make vinegar with the rinds after zesting the outside to dehydrate the zest and then juicing the inside. You can use the lemon vinegar in salad dressings or to use for cleaning.
Meyer lemon is wonderful. We have a semi-dwarf Meyer here already, but another small citrus would definitely be on the list of possibilities!
My votes 1) White sapote (not a tropical but a sub-tropical like citrus), 2) Valentine Pomelo or 3) Aravaipa avocado. Olive trees are great but I'd be worried about the pollen so close to the house. If you are not set on fruiting plants, then Magnolia X Alba/Champaca
Great suggestions. We're not fans of the White Sapote, but citrus is still on the table. The avocado would be too much work for us to try to limp through our Winters and Summers as young avos don't like the cold or the dry heat. We have a neighbor who has olive trees, so I think we need to spend some time over there during flowering to see if the pollen is an issue.
Peruvian Apple Cactus and Prickly Pear cactus are naturally good choices that will take Arizona Summer and Winter. Pineapple Guava as well
Very true. We have some prickly pear growing and apple cactus is a solid option. I think we would plant those elsewhere that doesn't need the irrigation.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm cereus can freeze burn at the top end, esp when young, and they can dehydrate over the summer if they don't get some monsoon water. they can be tropical.
Build a greenhouse for Mango's and other tropicals. Hows your Moringa's holding up after the cold?
Yes, that is a great idea. I am planning t do so for a cinnamon tree and keep it to certain height. For the mangoes is easier because there are some dwarf ones, i have two of them and when the weather gets cold I cover them with a burlap.
The moringa did really good. Just that bit of burlap does the trick for those.
will have to remember that. Burlap! Does the higher UV burn any of your plants out there? I have to cover with at least 40% UV screens and some in 70% in summertime@@EdgeofNowhereFarm
@@robb4866 no, we don't cover any of the trees at all.
Yeah, I am going to vote for olives. No idea how to process the olives for oil without a big olive press but someone out there does!
That is by far the most suggested tree on this one. Adding your name to the list of folks suggesting it!
My suggestion for trees I have here in San Antonio that made it thru 14F in 2022 and are evergreen:
-Pineapple guava (albert pride)
-Hamlin sweet orange
-Arctic frost satsuma
I am also hopeful my white sapote tree and lemon guava (sweeter than strawberry guava I hear) will also be just as tough. They’re sub-tropical and pretty cold hardy once established.
Great suggestions here. If you remember, you'll have to let us know if you get a harvest from that lemon guava. We have tried strawberry guava twice and they survive ok, but never gave us any fruit.
Feijoa Pineapple guava. I have some grows like a hedge. Doesn’t mind the cold
Great suggestion and you can't see it in this episode, but we have 2 of them planted in the area immediately adjacent to the are we're working on today!
We grew red guavas when we were children, and they were delicious. Dad paid us per 10 grasshoppers which also loved them. New Zealand.
I really wonder if our dry climate has anything to do with the fruit. I remember eating them as a kid in So Cal and they were really good.
If you haven’t given up on the guavas yet I would recommend the pineapple guavas, they’re more cold hardy and would make a beautiful and edible evergreen hedge. You could potentially do more citrus or loquats too, both evergreen and the citrus has great smelling blooms imo.
Great suggestions and you can't see them on camera here, but there are 2 pineapple guavas immediately adjacent to these 2 open spots!
We have a guava I think a pineapple type it's pink, survived -7and high of17 week. Did
Frost back alittle.
You could use a sunken greenhouse for more sensitive varieties.
Something like a walipini, huh?
Oh the loss! You're breaking my heart. With all the wonderful work you do and the guidance you offer year after year, isn't feeding the soil the main objective. Lots of wood chips. Lots of compost. Is that enough compost (you asked)? Nope. And you added more woodchips. While the root system structure at 6:26 is an educational visual, my heart is breaking over the loss of wood and water infiltration structure that has now been removed from the soil. We are feeding an ecosystem beneath our feet. If the tree or shrub has no disease, cut it off at ground level and plant the next tree next to it. Keep living roots in the soil. Maintain a cover (armor) on the soil. Feed the biology beneath the soil. Peace, health, and respect for all you have done so far and all the goodness you bring to the soil.
Thank you for this well written comment. I can't argue against any of the points you're making, but rest assured there are still a LOT of roots in that spot that will be helping to feed the trees we will replace in this area. Oh and keep an eye out for the episode we have coming out this Saturday, it goes hand in hand with what you're discussing here. 😉
Olive trees!!
That's another vote for olive trees. That's several votes for those!!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I have a huge olive tree, does well in Tucson, although it has had a problem with boring beetles.
More figs! They do fine here in new mexico. 20f at night in winters. 100f in summers. My figs are just happy. I suggest brown turkey of desert king white fig.
We're big fans of figs as well and have 14 varieties here on the farm. Unfortunately they're not evergreen and that's a requirement up at the front of the house for Lori. That being said, we have the Brown Turkey, but not the Desert King. How does that one produce for you compared to the BT?
Awesome, the desert king produces the same as brown turkey but I think is bit bigger fig. I like the flavor more on the desert king along with other white figs. I noticed that if we get a very bad winter, the less cold hardy figs will just grow back bigger and stronger from the base root. On the 2nd year of new grow back we will get a huge harvest as the previous dieback promotes a higher yield as figs fruit only on new growth. Also if you plant on a southern side brick wall, in the winter the sun will heat up that thick wall and keep your trees a bit warmer in winter. In the summer you can plant some desert grasses and weeds to shade your trees and the wall from getting hot at all. Tall figs will only recieve sun from the top promoting tall growth.
Also the thicker and older your fig trees get the more drought tolerant and cold hardy they will get. My family in Sicily has been growing figs in the mountains in a zone 8 climate with mild to cold winter's in the 20s and really hot summers in the 100s with no water. It rains about 20 inches from October to June in Sicily. It is completely dry from mid June till late September. Trees produce a few large figs about the size of a mango in May. Then mid July comes the main crop during the drought. Fig trees will store water in the white latex sap for a long time used to produce the main crop in July. Fig trees will stop growing in July. Fig trees will lose there leaves in late October and November and sleep for 3 months. Figs will start to grow roots in lat February/March and grow green March till July. As you may have cold winter's. Don't water fig tree in winter as water is what causes ice crystals to expand and cause damage. Tree should be fully dormant and will receive no water. Water in March till July. Let tree become stressed in the summer heat. I would assume in Arizona the fruiting season will be in aguest and not July. The Arizona monsoon rains should be enough to water the trees on its fruiting season especially if you watered your trees a ton in March and April to mimic the winter Mediterranean and Sicilian wet season.
We have black fig trees on long Island new york. What kills them temporarily with die back is tomuch rain in the winter then freezing 20-15f days after. Then more rain in April and may with out proper drainage as thick forest soil holds tomuch water and is acidic in PH as apposed to more alkaline clay and sandy soil seen in New Mexico, Arizona, the middle east and Sicily. Hope this helps.
@@musicissomuchfunpiano3327 thank you for all the notes and suggestions!
I had to fire up the waste oil orchard heaters. At night they glow red hot. 🔥 🌳🌳🔥
We had another viewer recently ask about keeping her peaches warm that had already started budding out. I suggest a smudge pot, so I assume it's similar?
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Tomato potato, all the same
If you raise the oil drip flow, they can howl like a jet engine
@@slamboy66 can you imagine that in the middle of the night!!
Get that nice lady a nice green house. Add banana etc...lol
Yeah, I don't think she's completely given up on that mango still!!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm A greenhouse with just some 50 gallon water drums for passive heating during cold nights would do nicely for mangoes and other tropicals
@@Chevymonster203 Hmm, interesting suggestion. I suppose keeping them exposed to enough sunlight during the day may keep it a few degrees warmer. 🤔
If you want to grow mangoes, maybe you can try the same variety that is grown in Japan. Those should be much more cold tolerant than those purely tropical variety.
Hmm, need to check that one out. Thanks for the suggestion!
Look, I know it isn't popular opinion but you should put in some more citrus. It is amazing and it grows so well here. The other great thing is that it stays on the tree for so long. I would do more citrus if I had space.
That is a solid suggestion Alan. We are in a citrus state after all!
Santa Rita prickly pear is purple, get a couple different prickly pears :-)
We do have a few prickly pear on the farm, but not in irrigated areas like this. I'm not sure what variety we have though. 🤔
Thank you for sharing your experience, and I am sorry for your guava tree's situation. There is a gentleman in Nebraska who has successfully grown citrus fruits, regardless of the existing climate. By using geothermal technology like him, you may be able to successfully grow guava and mango in your area, just like he does. Good luck!
That's a great suggestion and we'll need to figure something out if we're going to give them a shot.
My parents thought their guavas were gross but when I’m in Hawaii they taste great and suspect that it must be the varieties sold in the southwest.
Maybe try oro blanco or valentine hybrids? They look like grapefruits but the pomelo with the Blanco and the blood orange in the valentine creates a pleasant Subacid fruit that still tastes like grapefruit. They are special and sell for nice prices at farmers markets in Orange County ca.
I'm thinking you may be correct on that difference in variety as I remember liking guavas when we traveled to Hawaii.
Another great video!!! Thank you guys!!
Glad you enjoyed this one Kylan!
I personally think Olives. Y'all are busy, and they don't require a lot of attention. It is a lot of work to process olives from what I've been told, so keep that in mind.
Your Loquat look beautiful. I've been on the struggle bus with those.
We've had several folks suggest olives, by far the most suggested here. We've learned the best thing you can do for loquats is plant them at the right time of year to give them a good chance to put down roots before the hot weather. We will only plant them in October.
Apricots do well here in NM
Oh yes, apricots are a great crop for us here as well.
I have three guavas I live in Buckeye thankfully it hasn’t gotten cold enough to really damage them. I’m impressed by how big they are. I have one about two years old. The other one has been in the ground about a year and a half and there are nowhere near that size. Any tips on making them grow faster?
The biggest thing with any of our fruit trees here in AZ is getting those roots to grow out and away from the tree. Heavy mulch and deep, infrequent irrigation can accomplish this by "conditioning" the surrounding dirt allowing the roots to continue to grow out and away. As you know, our dirt isn't exactly conducive to root growth without some moisture added to it!
One of my favorite videos was the guava taste test! Omg I laughed soooo hard and replayed it about 10 times😂 Flowers and feet 😂💀 It didn't seem like Duane wanted to remove the tree, so it was a sacrifice RIP😢 Love you guys!
Yeah, my heart was really breaking...ok, not so much!!😂😂
Sorry about your trees. I have a white guava tree, and we had a 2nd one but pulled it out. Just be aware that whatever root bits remained may keep going. It's a never-ending problem for me in the area where the old guava tree was, and I'm constantly pulling guava greenery out.
I was curious as to whether or not that might happen. We don't get frozen ground here, so it may be an issue!
christmas lights work very well for warmth
Old school ones for sure, but I don't believe they would be enough the next time we hit that 20 degree mark. 🤷
The most productive citrus of uour choice... orange, grapefruit, lemon, mandarin etc
Hmm, that's a tough one, but I would probably go with either grapefruit or lemon for the most productive of those trees. The main reason is they tend to be consistent from year to year where mandarins can be alternate bearing. Some oranges can as well.
I woulda given them another year. Maybe their struggle to survive would change the taste of future fruit? But I respect your decision!
We were hopeful on the taste of the fruit over time as well. They didn't seem much different this past season, but you never know I suppose.
Ditch the guavas. Plant the things that are zone hardy and produce got you.
Bingo, that's our mojo when it comes to the farm these days!
Hi guava trees shed all their leaves in winter. Leaves make excellent compost. Leaves are brittle.
There were definitely a lot of leaves around here after this Winter!
Love your videos. However here we cannot farm because of politics. All da best
Duane, I sent you an email with a picture of my monstrose cactus. There are many different varieties of monstrose, so I attached a photo of the one in my backyard.
I think I saw that come over earlier. Haven't had a chance to peak at it, but I'll take a look.
Ok I have an idea... Sherbet Berries Grewia asiatica. Hardy to 15f. Grows up to 12ft tall.
Ok, this is the first I'm hearing of Sherbert Berries!
I vote for a greenhouse with mangos, guavas and bananas!
Wait a minute!!!
Lori REALLY needs a greenhouse.... Mango Mango :)
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm please!!! And you can make videos on how to build it!
@@desertequineservices right? She deserves a greenhouse!!!
@@desertequineservices 😉💚
Indian Jujube/ Ziziphus mauritiana! They're "tropical" but ours took 25F multiple nights this winter and stayed mostly green without protection. And its only a year old. The fruit is much juicier than the chinese jujujbe, similar flavor to a mild green apple.
We tried one of those on the old farm and lost it when we didn't prune it hard enough (split the trunk in half!). Are they deciduous though?
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Very delicious! I can't get enough of them. The Chinese jujube has a slightly stronger flavor, but nowhere near as juicy and refreshing as the Indian jujube.
How about olive trees, you can choose to go for varieties that are either for brining or making oil.
Great suggestion. We've had several folks suggesting the same!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Actually thought of 2 more, either a bay leaf tree or a strawberry tree. In portugal the strawberry tree is called a Medronho from which they make a type of everclear with the same name. Both are also evergreens.
Even with the trunk green, I doubt they would have made it. My Rainbow Eucalyptus was doing well then started losing leaves to the point of having none. I kept checking the trunk and it was green for a long time but then it gave up the ghost. :(
So good to see you yanked them.
Hey Eric. We were not sure about that either and from what I understand they can come back from the roots as long as the ground doesn't freeze, but you know us here. They need to stay productive to stay on the farm! Sorry about that Euc. Those are beautiful trees!
I’ve grown Manila Mango for almost 3 years now in ground and I’ve never protected it. Im in the Bay Area so we are more mild than you in the winter but we can get down to 28. I think the lowest this tree has seen is 29 and it came out just fine.
That's good to hear that you're having success with that up that way. Lori does like the taste of the Manila mangoes!
Awww, I love guava! You should try pink guava
The second tree you saw us pulling was a pink guava. It was a little better than the white, but we were still not fans of them. It was just hard to go through all of this when the rest of our trees require almost no TLC!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarmI totally understand
I say, plant a monstrose cactus. They also grow some very good fruit. My monstrose cactus is very prolific and the fruit is delicious. It will remind you of a kiwi. Also, the fruit does not have any thorns on it. It's smooth.
Hmm, not sure it would make the cut for this part of the farm, but maybe elsewhere. Cactus wouldn't need that irrigation either!!
Prickly pear...eat the pads and the fruit
from what I remember, you need to create an isolation above your trees, like a trapped warm air bubble.
what is that supposed to mean ??
well, you bring a pile of moistured wood and burn it on the night of the expected frost.
this will create isolation and your trees are saved.
by burning the moistured/greenwood/grass you've made a thick layer of smoke, lots of smoke that works as a barrier.
these piles are situated individually between each tree in the entire field.
if you don't have moistured wood, you can burn cow manure.
I imagine that would be a fine way of keeping trees warm in the Winter. Reminds me of smudge pots that I know used to be used in the citrus fields that once surrounded the Phoenix area.
I have little patience with my guava as well. People say they taste better as they get older, this is the last year mine has a chance to prove it to me. I was going to suggest Aravaipa Avocado but then remembered Duane is allergic. Do you already have Lychee? I am anxious to see what you choose!
Hey there Pam!! Yeah, we are pretty much done with anything that takes any extra work. As you know, we already have plenty to do around here and babying a tree is just not on the list!! 😂
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In permaculture design and others drought resistance and fertility practices when you are planting in a dry region, they recomend to plant trees close together and with diferent mature heights, so the multiple canopy help to maintain moisture and increase soil fertility faster with the organic matter build up. In that regard, why would you plant trees so far apart ?
We are a production farm with a planned U-pick operation, so the trees are spaced so they can reach their full size potential width wise, while being kept shorter for folks to reach the fruit. An understory would still work with this setup, but with the danger of rattle snakes and the general public visiting the farm we can't take chances with that. Hence we've gone the heavy mulch route to start building soil and maintain moisture and temperature for the trees.
How about a Dwarf mango, like Pickering? Do avocados work for you? Too tropical? Hmmm, not sure.
I think if Lori's going to try a mango it would need to either stay in a pot or greenhouse, so a dwarf would be the way to go. Avocadoes would need protection in both the Winter and Summer unfortunately.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm My Pickering is
Some persimmon trees are semi evergreen. They are tasty!
They are a wonderful fruit!
What do you think of EVERGREEN HUCKLEBERRY Vaccinium ovatum Pursh, Plant Symbol = VAOV2. Then you could make Huckleberry Wine and Huckleberry Dressing for Thanksgiving and Christmas to go with your wonderful turkey!!
Hmm, need to look into that one. We're always a fan of berries....and wine!!! 🍷
Noooooo guys!
Your only problem was timing. Those guava trees can produce very well had you pruned them before the frost time. I know of some área in Mexico where guava growers cut their trees 40 to 50 cm from the soil and in some cases when they expect freezing temperatures like -5 and even as low as -10 ºC they cover the guava trees trunk with some burlap or cardboard. They uncover the trees once lent has passed. There is a believe from farmers that frost can happen until lent is over. Also you could have planted the guava trees on a south side by the home and that would give an extra protection to the guava trees.
Guava fruit is so delicious and so health full that I almost cried when you removed your guava trees.I do have one guava tree that produces 2 types of fruit, some like the regular guavas and the other a pinkish one and they both are delicious yet I did prune my guava tree in December and now it is full of new growth. Every 10 or so years we get snow and temperature can drop to -12 ºC for some hours or even a few days. Trees have to be protected in such events.
Suggestion for evergreens, maybe a pine tree? I have a beautiful and not common pine tree (pino azul) Pinus maximartinezii which pine nuts are doble the size than the regular pine nuts. Or what about an olive trees?.
Yeah, I'm sure these would have bounced back eventually, but losing a season of production and just not really liking the fruit lead us to the decision. We've had a few folks here suggest olive and we had not considered that for this spot!
A beautiful pineapple guava hedge or more sweet citrus
You can't see it in these shots, but immediately adjacent to the area we're working in are 2 pineapple guavas. Great minds!! 😉
I'm in Australia, so you will have to excuse my ignorance when I ask this... What zone are you in?
Even without knowing your zone, I would suggest either Fig trees or, citrus such as a Meyer lemon or a mandarin...
We're in 9a and citrus does really well for us. We have several, but there are always more varieties to choose from!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Have you thought about Olive trees in that spot?
@@lesboucher542 we've had several folks suggest olive and we had not considered that. Great suggestion!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm On doing a little research, I have found that there are a couple of mangoes that will grow in zone 9... It would involve doing some research around your area and protecting them during the coldest part of the year though. For that reason, I would suggest dwarf varieties that could be kept in pots that could be moved to follow the seasons... Good Luck with them if you decide to follow that path... Remember "Happy wife-happy life" ;)
Green life Shamus O Leary Tropicals would probably have them
I imagine he probably does!
I think... If you want Mango's that bad, Then consider building an environment that will house and enclose the mango and (whatever else you wish) through the winter. In other words. Controlled environment. Stress free environment. Good Luck. I've seen it done right here on You Tube. 🌄🏡
Yes, it would definitely require all of that out here!
Coming from here I'd say olive trees, the price of olive oil has gone through the roof this year... they look amazing, last for hundreds of years and will definitely survive colder temperatures
I have to admit, you are right in there with a BUNCH of folks suggesting olive and we had not even considered that up here!
we are in the mountains of Almeria, very dry dessert climate but at 1000 meters so it can get cold in winter but the olives are hardy
Another good video, what about Paw Paw fruit tree
Great suggestion. We've looked into Pawpaw and from what I understand they need a high humidity environment during the summer time to thrive.
they could go in the greenhouse too
Guava - keep it.
Red Guava juice has medical properties for Dengue hemorrhagic fever (DHF)
Could also be used for pig feed as it is high in vitamin C
Our pigs have definitely had their fair share of these, that's for sure!
Why don’t y’all give pineapple guavas (Feijoa sellowiana) a try? They’re evergreen and there are named varieties that produce much larger fruit as well. Plenty cold hardy with no flowers and feet taste either!
Ah yes, it may have been hard to pick up where we were located, but we planted our second Pineapple guava just a few weeks ago. We have one adjacent to the area you see us working on here.
Sapodillas are evergreen and cold tolerant I think
I've heard of those, but I'm wondering about the hard frost tolerance.
What about a kei apple? I have a huge curiosity about the plant. It sounds delicious. Its evergreen. Hardy to 9a. Drought tolerant. I've never actually tasted one but man I would love to. It does have wicked thorns but thorns are not a put off for me.
This a new one on us, so we'll need to do some digging. Thanks for the suggestion!
I have a too heavy a hand with fertiliser. Element burn?
Please. Do not over fret the Moringas!
Regards. RSA.
The moringas all pushed through the cold this Winter. The smaller ones struggled a bit, but the larger ones are nice and green, ready to sprout!
Good news. Because Moringa is cold-sensitive. You are fortunate not to have waterlogging. Rhis is a certain noose. Exoerienced 4 hectares of 100mm trunk plantation yellow in no time. RSA. @@EdgeofNowhereFarm
Olive trees
Great suggestion. You're the 2nd person to suggest that!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I live in the Southern California high desert. I started my food forest a year ago. Started with 14 trees and I depend a lot on wood chips. They are hard to source. On average I get a load once a month. My well produces enough water but it is high in salts and boron. Average rainfall is 7 inches 😂. My apricot is flowering. Everything else is budding, and I hope to flower some Mexican sunflowers and zinnias this year. My chickens are laying like crazy and providing manure. Wish me luck. 🍀. I enjoy your channel. Thanks for putting in the effort.
@@Skookman wow, you really got it going on. I think you're going to be brimming with food here in no time!
I seen someone with mango in Phoenix before
Oh yes, with a lot of care you can definitely get them to survive in the city where it's a few degrees warmer.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm i heard that in the video later
Put them in pots near your house and propagated the cuttings. Sell them
They would definitely need to be protected, so up against the house would make sense!
My loquat was doing great about to set fruit with so many blooms a few months ago and then for some reason over about a week it looked like it completely fried! Its not in full sun. I’m so sad.
Well, that's frustrating. It sounds similar to what we have going on with our MacBeth. Our tree has some knotting growths around the trunk that I think may be some type of disease. Are you seeing any issues like that?
How about a bay leaf tree or pineapple guava
Funny you should mention those. The 2 spots we just cleared are flanked by a bay leaf tree and 2 pineapple guavas....great minds! 😉
Do you consider planting trees or plants only for biomass?
I wouldn't say only for biomass, but the moringa do fit that bill. We harvest the green leaves and the branches and twigs go through a chipper like butter!
EoNF is the BEST! Guavas... NOT so much.
Amen brother!!
Why not make a tight packed area of cold sensitive trees so they can benefit from each other and maybe surround them with non sensitve bushes ...you know..
That's a possibility. We'll be working on a project later this year that may lend well to something just like that!
How about Aravaipa avocado?
Those would really struggle for us out here. We're just too cold in the Winter and they need protection from both the Summer dry weather and Winter cold. That's a bit more work than we're willing to put in for a tree. Lazy gardeners that we are..😉
Olive or maybe star fruit
We've had several folks here suggest olive!
put feijoa trees they are like guavas however, they are not and their taste is way sweeter
Great suggestion. You can't make them out in this episode, but we have 2 immediately adjacent to the area we're working in today.
More Pineapple guava varieties or white sapote
We added a 2nd pineapple guava a few weeks ago, so we have 2 varieties now. Hopefully that will help with fruit set. Even the flowers taste good on those!
Pinyon pines? Blue oaks? Mexican elderberries will get up to 20 feet, may or may not be green all year. Too bad you had to kill them, 'cause boxed up they would have been a prize for someone who actually likes them. Happy St. Pat's day, me bucks!
Happy Saint Pat's my friend!!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Yo! The Capulin cherry is an evergreen. Good fruit from it, too. First year it went in it had a caliper of half-inch and budded. niio, kids!
Citrus trees.
Oh yes, citrus trees are always a good choice for areas like this!
😅😅😅😂😂 that was priceless
Glad you enjoyed this one!!
Owari satsuma and Meiwa kumquat
Great suggestions. We have a Meiwa already, but Satsuma struggled on our old property. Maybe we should give it another shot!
I have found myself letting plants die because water is expensive and I don't want to waste time and energy IF I really don't like what I am growing. I have no idea what you should grow there and by now, March 20 th you probably have shown us what you chose and I haven't viewed it yet
We know just how you feel June. Plants around here need to earn their keep and water is precious. We do have some ideas what we want up here, but we are not going to plant it out until Fall. So far we've had a lot of folks suggest olive which we actually had not considered!
Longan
That may worth trying. The only thing I would be concerned about are those solid 20 degree mornings we get from time to time. Might be pushing that one a bit.
Aren't there cold hardy avocados that could be a good option?
I haven't seen a documented case of an avocado easily surviving down past 30 degrees without significant protection which we're trying to avoid. A few folks have had some limited success in the city, but that is easily 5-10 degrees warmer than we are out here. With that they're covering young trees in the Summer and giving supplemental heat in the Winter.
Mandarina
Is that as in Mandarin or Tangerine? We have a few of those and they are AMAZING!
Tango Tangerine and a Tangelo
Oh yes, we have those and they are FANTASTIC! Of the 4 mandarin trees we have the Tango is right up there with the others!
Why not try some of the more unique citrus varieties?
We have a few unique citrus now, but I get the feeling you have something in mind??
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Buddha's hand!
@@OnlyNaturally those are cool looking fruit!
Olive Trees
This is by far the most suggested tree here and one we really had not considered!
Pinon pines
We've had a couple folks suggest this one!
Pineapple guava
Great suggestion and we do have 2 of them planted immediately adjacent to the area we're working in today!