Mike Holmes on Skilled Trades
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Why don't we have enough people getting into the trades?
I've personally comes across some people that think the skilled trades are lesser jobs, that it's the people who couldn't get into college that got into the trades. But let me tell you the trades are very fulfilling careers with great pay and endless opportunities -not to mention you need to have a lot of skills like math, business, and communication.
I have several trades under my belt with my main being a licensed HVAC tech which i’m no longer doing. Truth is there are Long hours, low pay, no respect for entry level tradesmen. The trades are in the toilet. And the internet is powerful, younger folks are getting into tech because you make 6 figures not doing physical labor
Thank you! Idk why everybody seems to neglect all that you just said. We have so many people spouting nonsense about the trades online. When I went into plumbing I was told I’d be making tons of money, but I was making $14 an hour, and saw nobody making more than 90k a year, which in NYC is shit. And you’re busting your ass. I also never saw overtime as a plus. I have a life outside of work
@Adixon5 trades you can make a lot money, You just get paid by knowledge and experience. Starting pay is always shit.
I'm trying to get into tech right now.
As a former trade worker, you couldn’t be more wrong. It doesn’t work for everyone, even when they pay well. Have no fear to admit those jobs don’t work for you and move on. Even Jesus quit being a carpenter to go on to do the best work yet. :)
"But muh average age of a Welder is 55! WHY AREN'T MORE YOUTHS ENTERING THE TRADES!!!!" *goes on to uselessly "boo hoo" about how "nobody wants to work"*
they're gatekeeping them they're are plenty of young men that want to get in and make that money but like other jobs they're not hiring for real using fake postings to put u on a waiting list
For the most part employers are not hiring trade school graduates. Employers are not hiring apprentices or providing on the job skills training. Employers are only hiring skilled workers who were trained by some other employer. Employers have no plan for addressing the skills gap. There are a few programs where the state or federal government has paid employers to take on apprentices or trainees. This is probably the only answer, billions of dollars to subsidize employers to underwrite the cost of on the job training of skilled workers.
"WE WANT YOU TO HAVE 2 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND ACCEPT ENTRY LEVEL PAY!!!"
Quit hazing, gatekeeping, and rude people in the trades from chasing off the newcomers and you'll solve the problem
Born in '87. My father was self taught in home improvement projects but his day job was in health. He beat it into my head to not get into the trades because I'd never be able to properly be a husband and father due to the eratic work hours.
I went to my local community college and got a degree in electrical/electronics. When I got out of school no contractors would hire me because I didn’t have the work experience nor was I a master electrician. The only job I was able to land finally after 3-4 after college was a school electrical maintenance position paying $16.84/hr. The trades aren’t always worth it and don’t guarantee a good wage paying job, at least not here in southeastern Kentucky where wages are terrible.
Trades are dangerous, your body will break down over time. You'll be using the portable washroom, eating out of your truck, being dirty, and loneliness. Screw that lifestyle.
Applied for lube tech/auto tech jobs since 18, 11 years of nothing. The majority of trades people gatekeep.
You need to touch base with Mike Rowe; he’s a big deal in the US on supporting the trades.
EXACTLY RIGHT!!
For me, I don't mind the fact that skilled trades involve twleve hour shifts, etc... I don't mind working hands on or the physicality of the job either
What I can't stand is the toxic culture... the difference between office culture and skilled trade culture is literally night and day and so right in your face
I just want to come in, do a good job and go home, collect paycheck and repeat
but this is not possible....
Fuck the trades. You can make 100k working from home now and not ruin your body.
Doing what Bro ???
@@Joe-dw7xu go to college, you will learn my friend. TONS of remote only jobs now.
@@Joe-dw7xu🤫🤫
@@cybergamingarena8509 what the fuck does that mean
They've basically up and told me to "fuck off" - apparently when you apply to every welding position in the area, apparently, they're hiring, just not you for some God forsaken reason.
The trades are a fast track to a miserable existence with no quality of life and financial stress. I’m an electrician apprentice and both the pay and culture are laughable. Everyone I work with is broke, uneducated, and miserable. and despite hating their jobs they beg for overtime in a desperate attempt to make a little more “not enough money.”
It’s a damn shame because I really had good intentions coming back at 35 but I seriously can’t believe people live like this. The unions are an absolute joke.
I had a dumbass at union seriously trying to break down how I could buy a house, if I save the .35 cent raise they negotiated to get in 3 years lol
Plus the jobs are awful. 90 percent boring. 5 percent tedious. 5 percent dangerous.
Trades are important but people need to stand up for themselves. The unions are a joke. They exploit uneducated people to extract their money to use for political self interest.
I work non union and we're already getting paid fast food wages and most companies are out there trying to make side jobs to be a perk LOL!!!!
The Trades: "NOBODY WANTS TO WORK!!!!!!"
Me: "I want to" *has 1 year of experience from trade school*
The Trades: "NO!!!!!! YOU GOTTA HAVE 2 YEARS OF PRIOR EXPERIENCE TO WORK THIS JOB YOU LAZY SOD!"
From what I’ve seen it looks like construction companies are giving work to illegal immigrants for lower pay. Roofing, carpentry, concrete work. All immigrants in my area with these types of construction jobs. If your planning to join a trade, your better off being in a secure trade that does both new construction and service work (Electricians, Plumbers, and HVAC) because English is a MUST speaking to customers, bilingual is also a plus if your in a heavily Hispanic area!
Yup it’s true that happened to me at the plumbing company I was at so my pay was low. My friend as an electrician was getting 8.25 an hour and now he’s changing his career
The worst part about the trades is the ither people , some of these guys in their 40s and 50s have no patience for new guys and they just blow a gasket when a mistake is made. How is anyone supposed to learn like that ? Thats another reason no young people are joining the trades
Very true. I started out in my early 30s and all the old timers wanna do is yell and take smoke breaks. Its very hard to find good people in the trades.
I broke my back for my trades as a licensed plumber and gasfitter. WCB denied all of my injury claims, so I abandoned my career to begin a bachelors degree at the age of 35. Skilled trades workers have no future because of WCB’s entrenched “culture of denial”. Good parents keep their children away from the exploitation of skilled trades. Stay in school kids!
This and this again! Stay in school!
Trades are dead who wants to work from morning to night
Who wants to work for uptight a holes who do nothing more than diminish your accomplishments? I know I sure don't.
Pretty easy to figure out where I live. Everyone wants experience, school is about 16k still, and even with experience, it's a dice roll on getting hired.
Even if you do get hired, you make so little money for how much your body gets destroyed.
Trades do not pay well. They're the laughing stock of the work force at the moment. I do Commercial HVAC and while I enjoy it. I'm also paying a ton of money on Tools, Travel expenses and benefits. I barley make more than someone whos in fast food. YET i'm working hard. Until trades pays more than the average remote job you're gonna see less and less people going into them and more illegals accepting those jobs.
I hear you, that part about it sucks, but my head contractor is running his business and he just writes all that shit off on his taxes. Be meticulous and organized in your record keeping and it’ll pay off.
I worked in the trades for several years before I went into tech. Used to be part of a group that flipped and resold homes, meaning I re-built deteriorating parts of old homes so they can be livable again. Wanna know why no one wants to work in the trades? The older people in the business are real pieces of work. They have the mentality of "I struggled to figure it out, so now you have to". This means they really won't teach you squat. Their way of thinking is the reason why a lot of the trades are going backwards and a lot of knowledge is being lost. The people already in it don't want to teach you the "secrets" as if there were any to begin with.
Stay away from trades young people! No job security, you literally have to hope someone hires you for a job. Then they try to negotiate the cheapest price. Your body gets worn out, no regular income. Listen to an ex carpenter who fell for the bullshit.
I now own a fast food business earning good money and it’s fun
Hell yeah man, congrats on your move mate. I’m going back to school after apprenticing the last couple years as a carpenter. Very similar experience as yourself and don’t want to do this for my living
@@andrewtaylor4138 you’ll laugh. I did it for 12 years! I saw the writing on the wall.
The nature of trades is you are literally working yourself out of a job. When your current project finishes you have to have another one lined up. Or else bill won’t get paid.
Congratulations on finishing your apprenticeship though. You can make your own house palatial. For a lot cheaper. Which is the good thing about learning a trade.
Plus you could do a weekend cash job if you need extra money.
Ive been a bricklayer apprentice for a year now and I actually enjoy learning the trade. I show up early everyday and work hard and push myself. Its just that alot of foreman dont care about you learning and getting experience on the wall. theyll use you as cheap labor (hodcarrying,building scaffold, running the saw) and then when you turn out as a journeyman you cant find a job because you dont have experience actually laying brick. They say you gotta fight to lay brick. So I do and i get on the wall but then once your on the wall you always have some old guy next to you chewing you out and playing mind games, saying how much harder they had it back in their day. not actually teaching you. Thats when i get pissed off and tell them to fuck off. because if you dont, theyll ride your ass all day. So at the end of the day they just make it harder for me to learn. So yea, i see why young guys dont want to work in the trades. But Im sticking with the trade because im a stubborn SOB and im gonna do my best to change things for the next generation. And im not the only one with that idea, theres just not many of us.
Unpopular comment here most likely. I disagree to a point. I get peoples points about long hours and not being home but thats more industrial. I made the switch from being an industrial electrician living that life to a residential electrician at an hvac company. It is physical but not back breaking and im getting industrial rate still. I personally enjoy it, it keeps me in shape, like how some people go to the gym, also i get around 80k per year and i dont even work a full 40 hours per week usually. Get to see my family every day, im happy, but i understand its not for everyone. Each to their own. Oh an also, working with your hands, you WILL be able to save a fk ton on doing your own DIYs at home.
"not to mention you need to have a lot of skills like math, business, and communication." Must be lacking in the Hiring and Payroll departments given the inability for these jobs to attract new workers.
Trades suck, inconsistent schedules.
Get off work have a 2 hour drive back home no travel pay home get stuck in traffic
Hard work sometimes don't pay off
Get rid of those stupid aptitude test and maybe you’d have more ppl
Those are there for a reason if you’re not able to pass the test you shouldn’t be working in the trades it’s a serious career where you can get yourself and/or others killed very easily if you’re not competent
@@Daniel_bmc those test are not realistic at all, you get more time on a college exam than you do with those test. I’ve taken and passed plenty of aptitude test. I also have college degrees. Those test aren’t realistic
@@UncleG33 it seems like the test did its job
@@Daniel_bmc I guess so, that’s why some of us get degrees and some of us get trades
It's the ultimate putting your money where your mouth is.
I’m a 40 year old female who wants to get into the trades but I have no experience
@@RockRock-p3v I decided on a different route
Don't listen to people telling not to do something, if your heart is set on it! My mom told me not to go into the Army, that was one of the Best Thing I ever did, I was Trained as a Utilities Equipment Repairer,
I was Trained in Generator, ,HVAC, and Vehicles
Maintenance repair! After i worked on Construction Jobs, I attended Building Maintenance School Trained, in Plumbing.
Carpentry, Electrical, HVAC,Appliance Repair etc I have obtained a Gasfitter license, A Stationary Engineers
License etc, iam Retired, but I
Still perform the Trade Jobs!
You'll never be without money
People always need something
Fixed, or Replaced
When AI takes over all the office job, typing an email or better, decision making by computer and basically doing everything that an office worker does, what do these collage grads want to do? By the way, don
Because the king didn't want to look like less of a man, which he absolutely was, the trades that built the castle were discriminated. If not for the trades the man who decided he was in charge would be just standing out in a field and would have no hope of rule. He can't have people knowing he was stupid about the construction of the stronghold.
The tradesman don't need a king.
Mike Holmes is Alpha. You will eventually follow alpha because it's just a good idea.
Alpha don't care either way.
Mike Holmes and Mike Rowe need to get together to put the TRADES forward!!!!!
Two year apprentice electrician with a few handy hvac certs type 1&2 have mechanical experience all around I prefer the trade route no college debt and good money if you put in the overtime
I was always told by my dad(well he told me lot's of stuff) he said "Son the harder you work the luckier you become." And that was true even to this day but the new generation doesn't look at it like that. I think the internet is to blame totally for this shift for our problem. All over the internet you see videos on housing crisis all over the world... and that's not the entire story. Yes we have a housing crisis but the true problem is we have a trades people crisis. All the trades people are leaving the industry and no one is coming in to replace those people. What happened to finding a job and working hard to become more worthy of a higher wage. No one wants to bust their ass to get ahead and take the steps but they want it handed to them.
Laziness and entitlement is our new trend in this world and I blame internet for that. It's a crying shame and there isn't any easy fix.
IMHO
Worked as a journeyman carpenter for 25 plus years. "Busting your ass" gets you NOWHERE. Wages have changed little in decades.
Seems even the trades have embraced the idea of "it's not what you know/how hard you're able to work, but who you know/nepotism". F*k off with that boomer sentiment.
@@lambofan2024These old farts need to shut the hell up. Must have been nice to be able to buy a house for 50 grand thirty years ago. Im a journeyman electrician and all of my friends with white collar jobs earn way more with no costs or oversight and have time to do what they want. The idiots i work with work like dogs for no money. These old bastards screwed us with their decision making anyway. The trades are a pyramid scheme of "if you work another decade and get more experience, you'll run your own business and not have to work". Pay us the money we are owed you scumbags!
Bust your ass as a framer outside winter and summer for 18/hr or work inside a building at an auto parts store for 16.75/hr.
The 1.25 more isn’t worth it for most people.