Really? I find him part of a trio of good solos. Scott's thoughts Vanman Jrose The order isn't who is better, I just like how the names look going down.
I agree. I like Scott's Thoughts as well, and even though he's even more knowledgeable, JRose just has the commentary that makes it more interesting to tune in
@@LunarWingCloud We'll have to agree to disagree as I like all of their commentary. Though I will say this, Vanman is a bit unique as he wants discussions in his chat and for people to make guesses on how much time it will take.
@@BertKreisinger Each solo poketuber has their own unique style and always brings something interesting to the table. Which is why I like each of them equally.
I never used King more than once and wasn't impressed at all by him. Went with Queen as she is my favorite. King requires items to be useful to Speedrunners. Vanman did a king vs. Queen run and without cheap item uses by Speedrunners Queen was proven to be better in R&B. While Scott proved without items king is slightly better in yellow.
@@gamermanzeake Watch Vanman's video where he does a direct comparison between Queen and King during his Vs. video on them. Edit: Just finished the video and even Jrose said Queen is better.
If you liked this, check out his video on Nidoran M/F. Definitely the best video in the series from a palette PoV. The transition from female to male (and vice versa) is so satisfying.
It's kind of appropriate Nidoking/Queen have such wide movesets, being Kaiju-inspired mons that aren't primarily based on one real-world animal like Rhydon. And Kaiju are known for sporting all kinds of energy attacks. Hence the wide special coverage. Heck, all six Nidos keep their names in every language (the Gen I French localiser says this was a reflection of them not being a direct real-world analogue).
I'm French, this guy is a legend. He went through extra research and puns for the names to make the same meaning as the japanese symbolics. And yeah, even he knew the French word for nido...is NIDO
@@jimmicrackhead12 There is more than that going on. There is editing, scripting, quality checks, ect. Or do you think everything just magically becomes a video?
What I love about your commentary is that even though it's a prerecorded and edited video you feel the excitement in your voice when something goes well
It may not have been quite the speed run king that it is with in-battle items, but there's no denying Nidoking's move pool diversity and balanced stats carried it far here. Kind of funky to have a Pokémon place this high without a single setup, status or stat-altering move (give or take status conditions off Thunderbolt or Ice Beam). Feels like a main game play through, just optimised. Gives it a different feel from most runs on here! Thanks once again, JRose!
Nidoking was one of the very first pokemon I ever remember having in a pokemon game (Red). My first attempt at a playthrough was more or less a test run. Nidoking looked so cool when I was nine years old. I didn't even finish my first playthrough.
I'm loving these! Super-hoping to see a Marrowak run; there's a chance that it'll be worse than Onix. - Speed is worse - No setup - No rock moves - Bone Club is it's only attacking move for early game (aside from TMs), and it's terrible. Misty is going to be painful. Lorelei is going to be painful. Gyarados is a nightmare. To beat Gyarados, Onix relied on outspeeding it and one-shotting with Rockslide. Marrowak might have to rely on outspeeding and one-shotting with Body Slam. Even if you bank on Gyarados missing with hydropump, you still have to deal with the fact that Marrowak is base 45 speed and no access to the badge boost glitch.
A performance fitting of royalty indeed. While it's always fun to see some of the more technical/strategic aspects of a run, it's also fun to just watch something forego any set up and power through by hitting everything really hard every once in a while.
Only watched up to the Brock section yet, but when JRose get to her, Nidoqueen may be closer to Nidoking relative to the gap between the two Nidorans. Her starting moves includes Body Slam (only 5 Base Power weaker than Thrash in Gen I, worth the confusion trade-off) and Tail Whip, which both gives something to wait out Onix's Bide and up damage output. I anticipate Nidoqueen getting past Brock quicker and holding that lead for a while, and while she will fall behind later on, as being 9 Speed and 10 Atk weaker is less of a hinderance relative to comparing the same for first-form Pokémon, I wouldn't be surprised if she was very close to Nidoking. Certainly less than the 2 levels less and 35 minutes less Nidoran-Male had on his feminine counterpart. Maybe even better! EDIT: Oh well, the Maestro anticipates this and notes it at the end, of course he does. Understandably not wanting to do the two so close together, makes sense. Thinking Nidoqueen has a reasonable chance of being better, off her identical Special which is what more attacks come off of… yeah, I could see that. Can't wait!
you know, it would be interesting to have an "evolution line" run one of these days, something like start with dratini and evolve it during play all the way to dragonair, to see which line has the best transition through out the game.
The Gen 1 type effectiveness messages actually aren't random. The game has an ordered checklist of different type checks and you just get whichever one comes last on that list. So it's totally predictable which message you'll get when you know the types involved.
While you're correct, the fact it's an ordered checklist that is completely arbitrary and results in showing the wrong information as often as not means it might as well be random. Nothing is actually gained from it being an ordered checklist, really. But yeah, not random.
Ah yes, I am deeply familiar with this Speedrun, only with a lvl 100 Nidoking right after losing my save because I set up an ACE instruction wrong. It's so much fun to break RBY.
Very pumped to see this run. I predict Nidoking to be in the third tier in the tierlist. It's movepool is very vast. Wish it had sheer force and life orb set available in gen 1 haha
Gonna be really interested to see the outcome of this one. Nidoking’s main advantage in speedrun’s won’t be available due to X Accuracy, but it still has an amazing movepool and very balanced stats. I think it’ll be pretty solid overall.
The other advantage of Nidoking in speed run is that you can get a final form pokemon at level 16 before Misty. All Pokemon doing this challenge start in their final form.
Thrash is pretty OP by Gen I standards. 90 BP is technically the strongest Normal move with 100% accuracy and no recoil damage, and getting 180-270 BP out of a single PP is really handy in casual runs when you fight a lot more Pokémon! 😁
nidoking is the most versatile for sure. in gen one he can learn bubble beam, surf, thunderbolt, thunder, rock slide, ice beam, blizzard, fire blast, earthquake and more making him a all-in-one mon. and his movepool only increased with later gens.
You're doing an awesome job with these vids. I love watching your content. It has nostalgia, new strats, comedy, and charisma. I know it's a lot of work to put out this many vids but it's been a blessing!
Should be interesting. Vanman proved that The Queen is better in r/b Scott proved king was a tiny bit faster in Y. So I am looking forward to seeing Jrose take on King. Edit: Just finished the video and it looks like Jrose came to the same conclusion where Queen is better. By the way this was a fun video just as always. Well done!
if the run started with nidoran instead of king it would be easier since nidoran learns double kick at level 12. after he evolves to nidorino at level 16 you can give it the moon stone from mt moon and have nidoking befor misty. the move tutors befor cerulean city also teach mega punch and mega kick which nidoking can both learn as replacements untill ge gets thrash (around level 20 if i remember correctly).
That was cool to see. I know you specifically have stopped doing the count impression to avoid it becoming an expected thing, but I could practically hear it during the Blaine fight. "1, 2, 3 earthquakes, ha ha ha"
"It's like a discount version of the move Outrage... which wouldn't be introduced until Gen 2." Fun fact: Outrage had 90 base power for a while before it got buffed to 120 base power in Gen 4. Even Outrage back then *was* the discount version too!
nidoran learns double kick at level 12 tho. so it would make more sense to train it up quickly to fight brock and take him out without having to rely on other mons.
Your pace this month is so hype... But keep some Red/Blue for the future. I want your Red/Blue solos to last forever :D "We're through with Red/Blue!" would be a bad christmas gift ;)
@@MijmerMopper Didn't play it ;) But he could do Red/Blue again and place restrictions.. E.g:: "Can't use the TM that saved the run first time around." ;) But doing yellow before that would make sense :D
I'm pretty sure most of us that have played Red and Blue have gone through the initial excitement of training a Nidoking, and the wave of disappointment when we realized it can't learn dig, one of the best potential STABs in the game lol
Jrose, i dont even watch these anymore. I listen to them... I crank a playlist of you and just have you whisper sweet nothings into my ear while I work. Its so relaxing.
Also, for reference, there's a particular set of movements you need to do for the Red speedrun to get the right Nidoran for the run besides the item usage, so not having a near-perfect/perfect Nido is another handicap that didn't really matter in the end. :P
One of my favorite parts of JRose’s videos is that he starts off by asking “how’s it going.” It’s so simple, yet makes me feel like he cares. It’s a great way to start the day when I watch these videos in the morning.
Bro I watch all of you're videos, I'm not even going to lie. I hope you end up becoming the largest pokemon UA-cam. I absolutely love your content. Thanks for the nostalgia bro
This month of jrose is ruining me I'm actually having thoughts like "It's already been 23 hours since the Nidoking video. When is my next hit?" I'm not gonna deal well with it when you go back into the badge boost cave
Hope your okay JRose! Look after yourself man, you're a genuine treasure! I fall asleep to your videos every night, my favourite content creator by miles!
@@Jrose11 NOOO. You release these vids at roughly 11pm my time, i got used to them, i use them to sleep, feed my kids, wake my kids, . HOW CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM. You monster Keep up the great work my guy. And goodnight.
Well I was hoping for this one tomorrow on my birthday but close enough it’s an early present, my staple Pokémon of Gen 1. This video definitely gets the stamp of approval definitely!
Tbh i fell like going for calcium would have been better, because most of your choices against foes were special attack and earthquake has a lot of base power anyway so it would always oneshots frail pokemons and pokemons that are weak against it. Oh, and carbos... Hihi Alakazam, HIHI. Anyways, hello there, i'm new to the channel and got hooked, i salute you!
I need to go to work Jrose, just commenting and liking will watch later, it's too late for Aussies to watch off the bat, but I've been watching them all!
Excited for nidoqueen, it was always one of my carry pokemon as a kid alongside kadabra and blastoise, it's got an amazing movepool, evolves early, is very bulky but just good enough offensively to make use of the movepool.
@@Sletchman even with Misty being a bit challenging and Surge being problematic, I think the fact that she's pretty fast will make the difference here. Most of the early game AI is pretty dumb, specially Surge. And Bubblebeam early is nothing to scoff at
I think you actually did Nidoking a disservice in the ranking at the end, especially after what you said about giving 'ties' to 'mons that struggle against Brock. Despite saying that, you still put it below Gengar even though Gengar was essentially a free win against Brock yet still barely beat Nidoking's time. Same could kinda be said about Blastoise, although the gap in that comparison about covers the extra time Nidoking needed to get past Brock there.
Spoilers: Had Nidoking lost to Lorelei, I think Mimicking Amnesia from Slowbro would’ve been the way to go about making her consistent (getting rid of Ice Beam and teaching Blizzard later could work or even just getting rid of Body Slam would work)
I have watched a LOT of videos and smile and chuckle every time you get to the ledge and hop over it. Loved it LONG before you started talking about it 😂
Great video! I remember playing back in '99, none of my friends knew where to find a male Nidoran so early in the game. Some nonfrens call Cozy a hack or cheat, this was back before everyone had internet and game guides were $12 or $15, then a lot of money to a 10 year old. Thanks for doing this, it's a leap down memory lane mi fren.
FINALLY!!!! Nidoking has been my absolute favorite Pokemon in Generation 1, just really strong but also super versatile with a huge move pool. Was my ace during Radical Red. Have been waiting for this video so very much enjoying this, thank you so muchhhhhhh for another awesome video @jrose (watched every single one of videos in your channel already
The Blastoise snatching defeat from the jaws of victory with a Withdraw makes up for the Alakazam snatching victory from the jaws of defeat with repeated crit Psychics.
I think, once you're done with all 151 pokemon solo runs, it would be amazing to see how you would do a jrose speedrun with the normal game and if you could beat the game faster then starting with Mewtwo, a rerun with all the things you've learned with you're number 1 pokemon to see how fast you could finish compared to the first time, and a video showing all the glitches and bugs you've learned/know about in the game (BBG number 1 glitch obviously). I would also love to see if you would enjoy a run with the level 100 Gengar/Nidoking/whichever pokemon you pick that you can glitch into the game in the forest and just destroy everything in your path (maybe as an April fool's video). Love the videos and keep up the amazing work!
I remember back in the 90s reading in a “Prima’s Official Pokémon Guide to Red/Blue” that you could get Mew using a Nidoking: train a Nidoking to lv100, go talk to a Team Rocket Grunt at the Game Corner, give him your awesome Nidoking (the guide’s exact words) and he’ll give you so,e keys to the truck parked near the S.S Anne, move the Truck and find Mew!” I am so very grateful I was too lazy to attempt this one! But I pity any poor kid who did try 😅😅😅 Thanks for all the great videos Jrose and go hug your animal friends all 💙🐱💙
To be fair, you should have removed Body Slam for Earthquake not Rock Slide. Body Slam without the STAB just isn't worth it when you're using other powerful physical moves as it doesn't give you any coverage while they do. So yes, Rock Slide is a weaker skill, less accuracy and damage, however the coverage it provides, basically Ice and Bug so mostly Ice for Lorelei, more than makes up for it, especially since you're only going to use it when it's super effective as Earthquake is your main physical skill not it.
That's neat to find out Nidoqueen could have a better early game matchup, because part of what made Nidoking so useful was more how easily you can get it via the glitch (which would put it at level 100 after also) but also it's ability to learn a wide range of moves. So yes, level 100 nidoking is going to stomp level 11 geodude and level 14 onix into the ground even with tackle.
23:41 The Withdraw of Blastoise never cease to make me laugh. I mean we need to count how many runs have ended on that move from Blastoise. Anticlimactic at its finest Edit : As of this Run, there were 25 of them vs Blastoise as the final pokemon. 7 of them were OHKO (2 due to a Crit, 1 with Zubat using Horn Drill), 4 of them were put to sleep. And finally, 8 used withdraw (5 only used withdraw before being KOed, 2 used it along other moves, 1 used one final withdraw before being put to sleep) Bonus facts : Tauros got 2 Withdraws while being burned, and BOTH Nidoking AND Nidoran Male ended their run with Thunderbolt+Withdraw+Thunderbolt
There was a small discussion around stone-evolutions in the past video, and that got me thinking a lot on how painful a pokemon like raichu is gonna be.
I would be super fascinated by a breakdown of what hypothetical Pokemon would be the best in this type of run. What type(s) should it have? What base stats? What starting moves (probably Water or Ground)? What moves in its learnset are a MUST?
Psychic/Electric with amnesia would make the run a breeze. Electric covers whatever psychic doesn’t, and with STAB, it’ll hit plenty hard enough. Basically just give Mewtwo the secondary electric typing and thundershock at the start, and make amnesia learnable before level 81.
@@kaptainKrill won't ice be better? I think getting the extra damage on executor for an Ohko before hypnosis is more important than the lapras. if rockslide wasn't prone to missing, maybe that would cover all bases.
@@benjaminshinar9509 could be. Electric also helps against Misty, which isn’t exactly a road block, but it’d be slowed down by ice/psychic My memory was that Lorelei was a much riskier part of the run than Exeggutor, on balance, but a bad Hypnosis + barrage certainly slows things down
I mean, hypothetically give it the maximum base stats the game can handle, start with moves like Surf, Psychic, Icebeam, Amnesia and learn the strongest moves of each type as it levels up, and have something like a Poison Water type or something so the AI bugs and just uses Agility, Rest, or Barrier all the time and make it so that is levels up super fast to start off
@@velvetbutterfly I guess I meant more as what would be the minimum requirements to achieve a great time. Like how Poliwag did suprisingly well. The Poison type is pretty genius, I hadn't thought of that!
of the 100's of hours of rbyg ive played, ive never heard of the super effective not effective bug and you have cleared up a lot of childhood confusion.
Ah Nidoking, the Swiss Army knife of Pokémon with that huge move pool! One of my all time fave Pokémon and it had a great run even without set-up moves
I really love the runs you do of the Pokémon games. As a long time enjoyer of the series it makes me want to go back and play some of the older games with restrictions. Also led me to do some of my favourite playthroughs either a monotype team or random team runs keep up the great content
Something else the speedruns do that I'm not sure you do in your runs is that they use a save & reset manipulation to always get a particular Nidoran with a very specific set of IVs on every single run. This way they know with 100% certainty how many attacks each pokemon will take to knock out (excluding the random Gen1 miss) and whether they'll out speed the opponent or not. This helps them with their attack decision making. HP, and PP management. If you're not using the cheat engine to set your IVs to specific values when you start, then it's likely that your Nidoking was weaker than the one used in the speedruns.
Out of all the solo runners, you have the best commentary and pacing, by a mile. Thanks for the hours of entertainment Jrose.
Really?
I find him part of a trio of good solos.
Scott's thoughts
Vanman
Jrose
The order isn't who is better, I just like how the names look going down.
I agree. I like Scott's Thoughts as well, and even though he's even more knowledgeable, JRose just has the commentary that makes it more interesting to tune in
@@LunarWingCloud and the color pallete changes are huge, makes almost every video unoque
@@LunarWingCloud
We'll have to agree to disagree as I like all of their commentary.
Though I will say this, Vanman is a bit unique as he wants discussions in his chat and for people to make guesses on how much time it will take.
@@BertKreisinger
Each solo poketuber has their own unique style and always brings something interesting to the table.
Which is why I like each of them equally.
Nidoqueen and Nidoking being able to use Bubblebeam and Surf but not Dig has always been a complete head scratcher. Gen 1, you crazy diamond.
Just like Charizard can't learn fly...
Jojo reference
@@luckyg8 ??
@@luckyg8David Gilmore reference kid
Can't Nidoran and and Rino/a learn it though?
I was amazed at the move pool diversity when I first tried Nidoking.
Went to teach a pokemon Surf and was blown away when Nidoking could learn it lmao
Same I was shocked as a kid when I learned that it can surf
yeah surprised he didn't teach it surf over say body slam
I never used King more than once and wasn't impressed at all by him.
Went with Queen as she is my favorite.
King requires items to be useful to Speedrunners.
Vanman did a king vs. Queen run and without cheap item uses by Speedrunners Queen was proven to be better in R&B.
While Scott proved without items king is slightly better in yellow.
@@gamermanzeake
Watch Vanman's video where he does a direct comparison between Queen and King during his Vs. video on them.
Edit:
Just finished the video and even Jrose said Queen is better.
@@ab-mi9vf
Wouldn't that be like dead wight though since HMs cannot be forgotten until G3?
Really digging the palette changes to match the Pokémon! GB games but purple looks soooo good
If you liked this, check out his video on Nidoran M/F. Definitely the best video in the series from a palette PoV. The transition from female to male (and vice versa) is so satisfying.
It's kind of appropriate Nidoking/Queen have such wide movesets, being Kaiju-inspired mons that aren't primarily based on one real-world animal like Rhydon. And Kaiju are known for sporting all kinds of energy attacks. Hence the wide special coverage. Heck, all six Nidos keep their names in every language (the Gen I French localiser says this was a reflection of them not being a direct real-world analogue).
but rhydon can learn surf too
@@shadowthepuzzled because it can Rhydon the waves
@@Sacpleuweuwsplendid
They be Horned Moon Rabbits
I'm French, this guy is a legend. He went through extra research and puns for the names to make the same meaning as the japanese symbolics.
And yeah, even he knew the French word for nido...is NIDO
This month has been pretty magical so far. Thanks for the videos and your hard work, Jrose!
Hard work? Playing Gameboy emulator? Lol
@@jimmicrackhead12
There is more than that going on.
There is editing, scripting, quality checks, ect.
Or do you think everything just magically becomes a video?
@@valor1omega 😴
@@valor1omega you believe that is hard work too? Lol
@@jimmicrackhead12 sounds like real crackhead talk 😂😂
What I love about your commentary is that even though it's a prerecorded and edited video you feel the excitement in your voice when something goes well
It may not have been quite the speed run king that it is with in-battle items, but there's no denying Nidoking's move pool diversity and balanced stats carried it far here. Kind of funky to have a Pokémon place this high without a single setup, status or stat-altering move (give or take status conditions off Thunderbolt or Ice Beam). Feels like a main game play through, just optimised. Gives it a different feel from most runs on here! Thanks once again, JRose!
Nidoking was one of the very first pokemon I ever remember having in a pokemon game (Red). My first attempt at a playthrough was more or less a test run. Nidoking looked so cool when I was nine years old.
I didn't even finish my first playthrough.
It's the king
I'm loving these!
Super-hoping to see a Marrowak run; there's a chance that it'll be worse than Onix.
- Speed is worse
- No setup
- No rock moves
- Bone Club is it's only attacking move for early game (aside from TMs), and it's terrible.
Misty is going to be painful.
Lorelei is going to be painful.
Gyarados is a nightmare.
To beat Gyarados, Onix relied on outspeeding it and one-shotting with Rockslide.
Marrowak might have to rely on outspeeding and one-shotting with Body Slam.
Even if you bank on Gyarados missing with hydropump, you still have to deal with the fact that Marrowak is base 45 speed and no access to the badge boost glitch.
Nidoking is my favorite Pokemon of all time alongside Magmar, always part of my team. Thanks for this.
Ah kinda like for me Queen is my favorite and always on my team.
@@valor1omega I like to do Poison-only so the queen fight alongside the king everytime
Magmar, i see a Man of culture here :)
A performance fitting of royalty indeed. While it's always fun to see some of the more technical/strategic aspects of a run, it's also fun to just watch something forego any set up and power through by hitting everything really hard every once in a while.
Only watched up to the Brock section yet, but when JRose get to her, Nidoqueen may be closer to Nidoking relative to the gap between the two Nidorans. Her starting moves includes Body Slam (only 5 Base Power weaker than Thrash in Gen I, worth the confusion trade-off) and Tail Whip, which both gives something to wait out Onix's Bide and up damage output. I anticipate Nidoqueen getting past Brock quicker and holding that lead for a while, and while she will fall behind later on, as being 9 Speed and 10 Atk weaker is less of a hinderance relative to comparing the same for first-form Pokémon, I wouldn't be surprised if she was very close to Nidoking. Certainly less than the 2 levels less and 35 minutes less Nidoran-Male had on his feminine counterpart. Maybe even better!
EDIT: Oh well, the Maestro anticipates this and notes it at the end, of course he does. Understandably not wanting to do the two so close together, makes sense. Thinking Nidoqueen has a reasonable chance of being better, off her identical Special which is what more attacks come off of… yeah, I could see that. Can't wait!
you know, it would be interesting to have an "evolution line" run one of these days, something like start with dratini and evolve it during play all the way to dragonair, to see which line has the best transition through out the game.
The Gen 1 type effectiveness messages actually aren't random. The game has an ordered checklist of different type checks and you just get whichever one comes last on that list. So it's totally predictable which message you'll get when you know the types involved.
While you're correct, the fact it's an ordered checklist that is completely arbitrary and results in showing the wrong information as often as not means it might as well be random.
Nothing is actually gained from it being an ordered checklist, really. But yeah, not random.
@@aduboo29 Considering Dragon versus Dragon is at the very start, it's most likely order the type matchups were added, just reversed.
You're right, I know that because Jrose explained it in a previous video. I'm guessing he's simplifying things for viewers.
Ah yes, I am deeply familiar with this Speedrun, only with a lvl 100 Nidoking right after losing my save because I set up an ACE instruction wrong. It's so much fun to break RBY.
Very pumped to see this run. I predict Nidoking to be in the third tier in the tierlist. It's movepool is very vast. Wish it had sheer force and life orb set available in gen 1 haha
King did okay, Queen is still better ;)
Its* movepool
@@valor1omega I think that lower speed might be a big problem
Gonna be really interested to see the outcome of this one. Nidoking’s main advantage in speedrun’s won’t be available due to X Accuracy, but it still has an amazing movepool and very balanced stats. I think it’ll be pretty solid overall.
The other advantage of Nidoking in speed run is that you can get a final form pokemon at level 16 before Misty.
All Pokemon doing this challenge start in their final form.
suprisingly good
I used him as a kid because I thought Thrash was OP but Nidoking's movepool is actually bonkers.
Thrash is pretty OP by Gen I standards. 90 BP is technically the strongest Normal move with 100% accuracy and no recoil damage, and getting 180-270 BP out of a single PP is really handy in casual runs when you fight a lot more Pokémon! 😁
nidoking is the most versatile for sure.
in gen one he can learn bubble beam, surf, thunderbolt, thunder, rock slide, ice beam, blizzard, fire blast, earthquake and more making him a all-in-one mon.
and his movepool only increased with later gens.
You're doing an awesome job with these vids. I love watching your content. It has nostalgia, new strats, comedy, and charisma. I know it's a lot of work to put out this many vids but it's been a blessing!
Should be interesting.
Vanman proved that The Queen is better in r/b
Scott proved king was a tiny bit faster in Y.
So I am looking forward to seeing Jrose take on King.
Edit:
Just finished the video and it looks like Jrose came to the same conclusion where Queen is better.
By the way this was a fun video just as always.
Well done!
i can't wait for the starmie run, I am thinking the physic with the speed will be killer
I just want to thank you for all the time and effort your putting into these videos. I and many others have thoroughly enjoyed these.
I just remembered the 5 full heals per pokemon and the bide... wow, Brock *is* a lot harder for Nidoking than I first thought.
Yellow it learns double kick earlier
if the run started with nidoran instead of king it would be easier since nidoran learns double kick at level 12.
after he evolves to nidorino at level 16 you can give it the moon stone from mt moon and have nidoking befor misty.
the move tutors befor cerulean city also teach mega punch and mega kick which nidoking can both learn as replacements untill ge gets thrash (around level 20 if i remember correctly).
That was cool to see.
I know you specifically have stopped doing the count impression to avoid it becoming an expected thing, but I could practically hear it during the Blaine fight. "1, 2, 3 earthquakes, ha ha ha"
The only potential problem I see with Nidoqueen is that it's slower, so I don't know that you'll be outspeeding the Alakazams as consistently.
Nidoking is my favorite pokemon.
In yellow version I had a team of all or maybe just 5 nidokings.
Used all my moonstones going for greatness
"It's like a discount version of the move Outrage... which wouldn't be introduced until Gen 2."
Fun fact: Outrage had 90 base power for a while before it got buffed to 120 base power in Gen 4. Even Outrage back then *was* the discount version too!
The amount of content lately is crazy, good thing I subbed so I don't miss any of it. Nidoking was always a beast for gen 1
Been waiting for my favorite pokemon on a JRose run for YEARS, LET'S GO!!!
In case anyone is wondering, the speedrun uses Brock to switch train their Nidoran with Squirtle's help.
nidoran learns double kick at level 12 tho.
so it would make more sense to train it up quickly to fight brock and take him out without having to rely on other mons.
@@uteriel282 Only in Yellow version. Nido's learn Double Kick at like level 40 something in Red and Blue.
Your pace this month is so hype... But keep some Red/Blue for the future. I want your Red/Blue solos to last forever :D
"We're through with Red/Blue!" would be a bad christmas gift ;)
"No now let's see how different it is in Yellow! Let's start again with bulbasaur..."
@@MijmerMopper Didn't play it ;)
But he could do Red/Blue again and place restrictions.. E.g:: "Can't use the TM that saved the run first time around."
;)
But doing yellow before that would make sense :D
Boom! Our Boi! NIDOKING!
Has alway been my favorite pokemon. He just looks so badass
@@sirotek86
I like Queen better.
Vanman proved Queen is just better in an itemless run.
From what I am gathering your boi sucks without items.
Welcome to the pokémon league. Ahead is the Elite 3 and Bruno.
Waiting for the daily video has been one of my favorite parts of each day.
I'm pretty sure most of us that have played Red and Blue have gone through the initial excitement of training a Nidoking, and the wave of disappointment when we realized it can't learn dig, one of the best potential STABs in the game lol
Jrose, i dont even watch these anymore. I listen to them... I crank a playlist of you and just have you whisper sweet nothings into my ear while I work. Its so relaxing.
Also, for reference, there's a particular set of movements you need to do for the Red speedrun to get the right Nidoran for the run besides the item usage, so not having a near-perfect/perfect Nido is another handicap that didn't really matter in the end. :P
I have really been enjoying your videos. I have found myself looking forward to your videos every day this month
That stinger at the end is tantalising. Great video. I knew Nidoking was pretty strong but had never rated it like this.
One of my favorite parts of JRose’s videos is that he starts off by asking “how’s it going.” It’s so simple, yet makes me feel like he cares. It’s a great way to start the day when I watch these videos in the morning.
Hope you’re doing well Jrose watcher, we care for you too
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And I love it every single episode.
The colors are always on point. I came for the content but stayed for the colors.
Bro I watch all of you're videos, I'm not even going to lie. I hope you end up becoming the largest pokemon UA-cam. I absolutely love your content. Thanks for the nostalgia bro
This month of jrose is ruining me
I'm actually having thoughts like "It's already been 23 hours since the Nidoking video. When is my next hit?"
I'm not gonna deal well with it when you go back into the badge boost cave
This one might be a few hours late, some tech issues.
@@Jrose11no worries man! Must be very taxing to get all of these out.
@@Jrose11 Take the amount of time that is healthiest for you
Hope your okay JRose! Look after yourself man, you're a genuine treasure! I fall asleep to your videos every night, my favourite content creator by miles!
@@Jrose11 NOOO. You release these vids at roughly 11pm my time, i got used to them, i use them to sleep, feed my kids, wake my kids, . HOW CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM. You monster
Keep up the great work my guy. And goodnight.
Well I was hoping for this one tomorrow on my birthday but close enough it’s an early present, my staple Pokémon of Gen 1. This video definitely gets the stamp of approval definitely!
Hope you and the family had a great holiday Jrose. here's to another year of great content
Nidoking learns Double Kick at level 12 in Yellow version.
Tbh i fell like going for calcium would have been better, because most of your choices against foes were special attack and earthquake has a lot of base power anyway so it would always oneshots frail pokemons and pokemons that are weak against it. Oh, and carbos... Hihi Alakazam, HIHI.
Anyways, hello there, i'm new to the channel and got hooked, i salute you!
Literally couldn't care less if you did 5 magikarp runs in a row for different generations so im absolutely voting for nidoqueen next :😀
I need to go to work Jrose, just commenting and liking will watch later, it's too late for Aussies to watch off the bat, but I've been watching them all!
Excited for nidoqueen, it was always one of my carry pokemon as a kid alongside kadabra and blastoise, it's got an amazing movepool, evolves early, is very bulky but just good enough offensively to make use of the movepool.
I'm hoping for a Starmie video soon. I do actually believe she can tie with Blastoise and compete for 1st place against Alakazam
@@Sletchman even with Misty being a bit challenging and Surge being problematic, I think the fact that she's pretty fast will make the difference here. Most of the early game AI is pretty dumb, specially Surge. And Bubblebeam early is nothing to scoff at
Nidoking and Nidoqueen are both very cool Pokémon. Thanks for all the videos this month! You’re doing a great job.
I think you actually did Nidoking a disservice in the ranking at the end, especially after what you said about giving 'ties' to 'mons that struggle against Brock. Despite saying that, you still put it below Gengar even though Gengar was essentially a free win against Brock yet still barely beat Nidoking's time. Same could kinda be said about Blastoise, although the gap in that comparison about covers the extra time Nidoking needed to get past Brock there.
I'd have to go back and watch again, but didn't he not even use the rare candies on Gengar?
I think you are being a little baby
I was waiting for this run for a long time. Looks like a short one too!
I always liked Nidoking its slow to start but becomes a tank once your up and running.
Spoilers:
Had Nidoking lost to Lorelei, I think Mimicking Amnesia from Slowbro would’ve been the way to go about making her consistent (getting rid of Ice Beam and teaching Blizzard later could work or even just getting rid of Body Slam would work)
I have watched a LOT of videos and smile and chuckle every time you get to the ledge and hop over it. Loved it LONG before you started talking about it 😂
Great video! I remember playing back in '99, none of my friends knew where to find a male Nidoran so early in the game. Some nonfrens call Cozy a hack or cheat, this was back before everyone had internet and game guides were $12 or $15, then a lot of money to a 10 year old.
Thanks for doing this, it's a leap down memory lane mi fren.
Ah yes, Nidoking. My favorite non-starter from gen 1. I always got a nidoran male in the grass left of viridian.
FINALLY!!!! Nidoking has been my absolute favorite Pokemon in Generation 1, just really strong but also super versatile with a huge move pool. Was my ace during Radical Red. Have been waiting for this video so very much enjoying this, thank you so muchhhhhhh for another awesome video @jrose (watched every single one of videos in your channel already
You keep getting better and better at making these videos. This is such a good channel.
Amazing run! Short and sweet run. Can't wait for the Farfetch'd run!
I feel like that lower base Speed might result in Nidoqueen struggling against some Alakazams.
The ultimate Jrose challenge: Gen 1, No Body Slam, No Mimic, No Psychic, No Sword Dance. Trash tier or unfeatured pokemon only.
Nidoking really shows itself when it doesnt require any sort of badge boost glitch to make it through.
Not even badge boosts, it didn't even need setup moves.
The Blastoise snatching defeat from the jaws of victory with a Withdraw makes up for the Alakazam snatching victory from the jaws of defeat with repeated crit Psychics.
Feels criminal to be this early
I think, once you're done with all 151 pokemon solo runs, it would be amazing to see how you would do a jrose speedrun with the normal game and if you could beat the game faster then starting with Mewtwo, a rerun with all the things you've learned with you're number 1 pokemon to see how fast you could finish compared to the first time, and a video showing all the glitches and bugs you've learned/know about in the game (BBG number 1 glitch obviously). I would also love to see if you would enjoy a run with the level 100 Gengar/Nidoking/whichever pokemon you pick that you can glitch into the game in the forest and just destroy everything in your path (maybe as an April fool's video). Love the videos and keep up the amazing work!
I like the Rival/Player name duo for this one. Liberty being King's rival is a real good touch!
I LITERALLY ASKED FOR THIS LAST VIDEO IM SO HAPPY THANK YOU J ROSE
I remember back in the 90s reading in a “Prima’s Official Pokémon Guide to Red/Blue” that you could get Mew using a Nidoking: train a Nidoking to lv100, go talk to a Team Rocket Grunt at the Game Corner, give him your awesome Nidoking (the guide’s exact words) and he’ll give you so,e keys to the truck parked near the S.S Anne, move the Truck and find Mew!” I am so very grateful I was too lazy to attempt this one! But I pity any poor kid who did try 😅😅😅
Thanks for all the great videos Jrose and go hug your animal friends all 💙🐱💙
Hell yes!!! Long live Jrose and his pokemon challenges!!! Day 9
The biggest troll in the video is the additional space at the end that he's added to prevent us from telling whether the run still has time left
To be fair, you should have removed Body Slam for Earthquake not Rock Slide. Body Slam without the STAB just isn't worth it when you're using other powerful physical moves as it doesn't give you any coverage while they do. So yes, Rock Slide is a weaker skill, less accuracy and damage, however the coverage it provides, basically Ice and Bug so mostly Ice for Lorelei, more than makes up for it, especially since you're only going to use it when it's super effective as Earthquake is your main physical skill not it.
pretty happy that you want to make pokemon stadium vids, huge part of my childhood same goes to colosseum and gale of darkness
19:32 ledge boss is top 5 most interesting bosses in these runs
Hahaha great callout @SimplyAJ at 11:13, good to see you guys having some fun
Do the Queen run in like 3 days/videos time. It would be genuinely interesting to see a comparison with your solo run style.
That's neat to find out Nidoqueen could have a better early game matchup, because part of what made Nidoking so useful was more how easily you can get it via the glitch (which would put it at level 100 after also) but also it's ability to learn a wide range of moves. So yes, level 100 nidoking is going to stomp level 11 geodude and level 14 onix into the ground even with tackle.
Such a good month seeing a new j rose almost every time I open UA-cam! Hell yeah🎉
Noticed the color change this time! Keep up the good content!
23:41 The Withdraw of Blastoise never cease to make me laugh. I mean we need to count how many runs have ended on that move from Blastoise. Anticlimactic at its finest
Edit : As of this Run, there were 25 of them vs Blastoise as the final pokemon. 7 of them were OHKO (2 due to a Crit, 1 with Zubat using Horn Drill), 4 of them were put to sleep. And finally, 8 used withdraw (5 only used withdraw before being KOed, 2 used it along other moves, 1 used one final withdraw before being put to sleep)
Bonus facts : Tauros got 2 Withdraws while being burned, and BOTH Nidoking AND Nidoran Male ended their run with Thunderbolt+Withdraw+Thunderbolt
There was a small discussion around stone-evolutions in the past video, and that got me thinking a lot on how painful a pokemon like raichu is gonna be.
Great job Jrose and keep up the amazing work
23:37 Classic Blastoise cowering in fear in the last minute and guaranteeing the victory, I missed that
So excited for this. My favourite Pokemon.
I would be super fascinated by a breakdown of what hypothetical Pokemon would be the best in this type of run. What type(s) should it have? What base stats? What starting moves (probably Water or Ground)? What moves in its learnset are a MUST?
Psychic/Electric with amnesia would make the run a breeze. Electric covers whatever psychic doesn’t, and with STAB, it’ll hit plenty hard enough.
Basically just give Mewtwo the secondary electric typing and thundershock at the start, and make amnesia learnable before level 81.
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won't ice be better?
I think getting the extra damage on executor for an Ohko before hypnosis is more important than the lapras.
if rockslide wasn't prone to missing, maybe that would cover all bases.
@@benjaminshinar9509 could be. Electric also helps against Misty, which isn’t exactly a road block, but it’d be slowed down by ice/psychic
My memory was that Lorelei was a much riskier part of the run than Exeggutor, on balance, but a bad Hypnosis + barrage certainly slows things down
I mean, hypothetically give it the maximum base stats the game can handle, start with moves like Surf, Psychic, Icebeam, Amnesia and learn the strongest moves of each type as it levels up, and have something like a Poison Water type or something so the AI bugs and just uses Agility, Rest, or Barrier all the time and make it so that is levels up super fast to start off
@@velvetbutterfly I guess I meant more as what would be the minimum requirements to achieve a great time. Like how Poliwag did suprisingly well. The Poison type is pretty genius, I hadn't thought of that!
you actually have crazy engagement. you consistent get like 60% of your sub count for views
I had a feeling when you said "The king" in your previous run! Let's goooo
of the 100's of hours of rbyg ive played, ive never heard of the super effective not effective bug and you have cleared up a lot of childhood confusion.
A new video everyday 😄. That's what I love to see. Keep it up man.
Nidoking was always one of my favorite non-starters in R/B. I've done several one-pokemon challenges with Nidoking, and absolutely love it.
Ah Nidoking, the Swiss Army knife of Pokémon with that huge move pool! One of my all time fave Pokémon and it had a great run even without set-up moves
I really love the runs you do of the Pokémon games. As a long time enjoyer of the series it makes me want to go back and play some of the older games with restrictions. Also led me to do some of my favourite playthroughs either a monotype team or random team runs keep up the great content
had to think about Nidoking not learning Dig for a moment, then I remembered I put it on my Growlithe in my Pokemon Red playthrough instead.
Something else the speedruns do that I'm not sure you do in your runs is that they use a save & reset manipulation to always get a particular Nidoran with a very specific set of IVs on every single run. This way they know with 100% certainty how many attacks each pokemon will take to knock out (excluding the random Gen1 miss) and whether they'll out speed the opponent or not. This helps them with their attack decision making. HP, and PP management. If you're not using the cheat engine to set your IVs to specific values when you start, then it's likely that your Nidoking was weaker than the one used in the speedruns.
One of the rare instances where the pre evolved form would perform better against Brock since Nidoran (M) learns double kick at level 12.
@@Sletchman ah good point I forgot about that difference.
I like your commentary as much as I like you using my favorite mon of all time... And you get a good time.
23:01 you said arcanine right!