What I see here is the bond between two characters that is on full display in "The Menagerie" of the original series. Why Spock would go so far to help his friend.
Exactly this! Spock's behavior in "The Menagerie" never quite made sense until this episode. Some of the best writing in all of Star Trek - particularly this clip.
@@stevebeck7333 He served with Pike with 13 years, it made enough sense. Not everything needs to be spelled out. They gave us enough to infer on the Menagerie
@@stevebeck7333 I don’t know. It made sense to me. There is no doubt that Spock would have done the same thing for Kirk and we know Kirk threw away a career and possible freedom to potentially save an already dead Spock. These was a lot of loyalty in original Trek and this show finally captured some of that.
Pike is like Spock’s Star Fleet dad, though Spock would never say so out loud…. Okay maybe it’s just how I see it in my head… see I’m just too emotional.
Speaking as someone who loves Bromance, this scene hit me in the heart, and I don't mind admitting I teared up. The emotion in Pike's voice is not overdone but done well and deep enough to convince you that his words to Spock are soul-deep. The sealing of their bond is paramount to this entire episode, and I was hooked. Spock's loyalty and friendship to his captains are, without a doubt, solid and true. This makes The Menagerie episodes of TOS more heartfelt to the viewer. I am extremely glad that Spock's half-human side is written so beautifully balanced in Strange New Worlds. My thanks to the writers, producers... and... the actors. I enjoy this episode again and again.
Those of you who want to write good dialogue, study this scene. Pay attention to it's not just the things they say, but also the things they don't say. They choose their words carefully, they don't even speak at all at times. When people converse, they generally don't say exactly the thing on their mind; they are real careful about how they say it or what they say at all. Consider it a "filter" they use when they speak. We pay attention to that filter when we're listening, and it's as important as the words that are eventually spoken; it says a lot about intention. So with that in mind, when you're writing dialogue, you need to get the filter right or else it'll sound wrong.
As long as I can feel it... from that emotion... I am happy to see it. But when hugs are necessary, I will lean forward and absorb the expression even more. But that's just because I'm an older person (61) and have been in love with brother-friendship stories since I was 4 years old.
Christopher Pike depictions in Star Trek Novels and Comics in the 1980s, his relationship with Spock was a Mentor and even a father figure- never clear if Pike is actually older than Spock.
Spock should be around 30 in the scene. Since we don’t have a specific date for pike it makes sense to base it on Anson mounts actual age. So he would be approximately two decades older.
My favorite from this series, so far. I arrived late to the party and am getting ready to dive into season 2, but am so very glad someone here caught this incredibly poignant moment between Pike and Spock. Where friendship is simply spoken with a few words and a few seconds of eye-contact and the impact is just so powerful.
@@janrobnettwordweaver2227 oh u haven't watched 2 yet? Season 2. Episode 8, or 9.. can't remember One of the best trek episodes I've ever seen Similar to the season 7 ds9 episode where Nog loses his leg in combat with the jem hedar. The episode is about war and ptsd
@@janrobnettwordweaver2227 is that why you are Glad to see me? Anyway Mr spock pays it Forward in wrath of Khan, the core scene at the end. Notice that Mr spock randomly calls him "Chris," @1:20 Just like how he says "Jim" at the end of Khan
spock immediately figured out that pike gave up his chance to have a 'normal' future to keep spock alive. this breaks my heart knowing what happens to pike in the future.
too bad they focused on the Chapel Spock nonsense in Season 2 and didn't work on building this relationship a bit more. There is the germ of a deep friendship and respect here that could have been further developed. Who knows after the crappy Season 2 if this will ever be explored or if we will get more lines like "I want the ship to go. Now."
Amazing scene. Well acted. Rivaling the end of wrath of Khan. Words can't describe a deep bond like this. So they just look at each other. Like data and worf
this scene shows what SNW could have been. Instead we got glib stories with cringe dialogue and characters who are so immature it's a wonder how they ever made rank. It shows the immense waste of talented actors on SNW.
After I read about the discussion about wokeness in the USA I do not know what the current meaning of wokeness could be. But it is indeed misused to discredit.
@@christianhofer5020 Because it doesn't have the normal meaning when people in the US complain about it. It's usually just bigot dog whistling about diversity in shows.
What I see here is the bond between two characters that is on full display in "The Menagerie" of the original series. Why Spock would go so far to help his friend.
Exactly this! Spock's behavior in "The Menagerie" never quite made sense until this episode. Some of the best writing in all of Star Trek - particularly this clip.
@@stevebeck7333 He served with Pike with 13 years, it made enough sense. Not everything needs to be spelled out. They gave us enough to infer on the Menagerie
@@stevebeck7333 I don’t know. It made sense to me. There is no doubt that Spock would have done the same thing for Kirk and we know Kirk threw away a career and possible freedom to potentially save an already dead Spock. These was a lot of loyalty in original Trek and this show finally captured some of that.
@@jasonbowser5754
All the enterprise gangs love each other
Pike is like Spock’s Star Fleet dad, though Spock would never say so out loud…. Okay maybe it’s just how I see it in my head… see I’m just too emotional.
Agreed! He is definitely his SF dad lol, I love their relationship
Speaking as someone who loves Bromance, this scene hit me in the heart, and I don't mind admitting I teared up. The emotion in Pike's voice is not overdone but done well and deep enough to convince you that his words to Spock are soul-deep. The sealing of their bond is paramount to this entire episode, and I was hooked. Spock's loyalty and friendship to his captains are, without a doubt, solid and true. This makes The Menagerie episodes of TOS more heartfelt to the viewer. I am extremely glad that Spock's half-human side is written so beautifully balanced in Strange New Worlds. My thanks to the writers, producers... and... the actors. I enjoy this episode again and again.
Accepting his fate is beautiful. We all die one day, what matters is what we do with the time we have
It wasn't because he wanted to, it was because he had to, otherwise his fate would fall to someone else (Spock)
@@GreenFenril Thats why its beautiful. The most beautiful sacrifices are the ones that come with no reward.
Spock does the same sacrifice as Pike in wrath of Khan
Those of you who want to write good dialogue, study this scene. Pay attention to it's not just the things they say, but also the things they don't say. They choose their words carefully, they don't even speak at all at times.
When people converse, they generally don't say exactly the thing on their mind; they are real careful about how they say it or what they say at all. Consider it a "filter" they use when they speak. We pay attention to that filter when we're listening, and it's as important as the words that are eventually spoken; it says a lot about intention. So with that in mind, when you're writing dialogue, you need to get the filter right or else it'll sound wrong.
This is how male best friends show how much they mean to each other. Very few words but plenty of emotion.
As long as I can feel it... from that emotion... I am happy to see it. But when hugs are necessary, I will lean forward and absorb the expression even more. But that's just because I'm an older person (61) and have been in love with brother-friendship stories since I was 4 years old.
I love this scene!! ❤️
Christopher Pike depictions in Star Trek Novels and Comics in the 1980s, his relationship with Spock was a Mentor and even a father figure- never clear if Pike is actually older than Spock.
Spock should be around 30 in the scene. Since we don’t have a specific date for pike it makes sense to base it on Anson mounts actual age. So he would be approximately two decades older.
This was perhaps my favorite scene of the season…
It's one of the best trek moments ever. And I'm hardcore TNG
Aaah what a pair of lovely boys 😭
One of best scenes of trek
My favorite from this series, so far. I arrived late to the party and am getting ready to dive into season 2, but am so very glad someone here caught this incredibly poignant moment between Pike and Spock. Where friendship is simply spoken with a few words and a few seconds of eye-contact and the impact is just so powerful.
@@janrobnettwordweaver2227 oh u haven't watched 2 yet?
Season 2. Episode 8, or 9.. can't remember
One of the best trek episodes I've ever seen
Similar to the season 7 ds9 episode where Nog loses his leg in combat with the jem hedar. The episode is about war and ptsd
@@janrobnettwordweaver2227
Season 1 spock Tpring body swap is hilarious
@@janrobnettwordweaver2227
Dr Mbenga is A BADA$$$
You'll see
@@janrobnettwordweaver2227 is that why you are Glad to see me?
Anyway Mr spock pays it Forward in wrath of Khan, the core scene at the end.
Notice that Mr spock randomly calls him "Chris,"
@1:20
Just like how he says "Jim" at the end of Khan
spock immediately figured out that pike gave up his chance to have a 'normal' future to keep spock alive. this breaks my heart knowing what happens to pike in the future.
too bad they focused on the Chapel Spock nonsense in Season 2 and didn't work on building this relationship a bit more. There is the germ of a deep friendship and respect here that could have been further developed. Who knows after the crappy Season 2 if this will ever be explored or if we will get more lines like "I want the ship to go. Now."
Amazing scene. Well acted. Rivaling the end of wrath of Khan.
Words can't describe a deep bond like this. So they just look at each other.
Like data and worf
@@stevencoardvenice all the more reason it should have been explored more instead of the garbage they gave fans
this scene shows what SNW could have been. Instead we got glib stories with cringe dialogue and characters who are so immature it's a wonder how they ever made rank. It shows the immense waste of talented actors on SNW.
as much as I absolutely hate the woke and everything you stand for, this is actually human enough for me to give the series a shot.
After I read about the discussion about wokeness in the USA I do not know what the current meaning of wokeness could be. But it is indeed misused to discredit.
Wtf mate lol, 🤣 out with the woke, y'all need better vocabulary.
@@christianhofer5020 Because it doesn't have the normal meaning when people in the US complain about it. It's usually just bigot dog whistling about diversity in shows.
Mind giving me your definition of 'woke'?
@@gabykappscomposermariagabr749 left wing morons who think they are clever when playing verbal word games with people.