I am a hobbyist and lover of pigeons and hope they will not be harmed .. but watching your photography is a pleasure. I wish you a happy life, and your birds have a hawk-free life🌹
Birds aren't even afraid of that sparrow hawk they're just goofing around with him. They know its a toddler trying its luck😘🤭 Mine sometimes circle around the hovering hawks and tease them to a fight until they see them off.
Yes they circle around the hawks and tease them, unless the hawks are a lot higher than them on the sky and getting ready to attack. We can also tease the lion in the cage at the zoo, but if the door opens, no more teasing I guess. :))
your birds are incredibly alert from chasing predator they had high stamina to fast fly they will survive and your birds are the best.. i love your video to watched🤘🏼👍
@@George.T. but it didn't. 😁 The best survives. this is exactly the idea. However, I cannot help but admire the failures of predators, especially when they are persevering. It's just.. just what I want to see.
@@chciprianionut4289 But predators must eat too. No eat, no predators... No predators, no satisfaction...😂😂 P.S. of course I want keep them not really dead but far away at least...
These are some experimental birds I fly in winter because I can't stay 6 months with all pigeons in the loft, I love seeing them flying. I do keep my main racing team locked for the winter. But yes, the winter survivors are great birds in all aspects.
OMG what a SHOW! i suppose that when your pidgeons are in danger that should not be a funny sight, but... what a magnificent spectacle of nature and what footage! I think your pigeons are much better at eluding hawk attacks that falcon attacks.
The hawk didn't look hit ...🤷♂️ I think his brakes failed up a little bit on curve and he skidded. 🙄 Slippy weather, deh...😋 Anyway, this is the kind of movie for which not 4k but 40k should be invented for the later indictment on court.😁 I found him guilty anyway...😝
lol, yeah, let's see what I can do in 5K for now. The thing is I heard something exactly when it is at the cables and no pigeon is hurt. Dunno, I hope it took a bite from that cable. :))
У меня тоже сегодня гонялся за почтовыми голубями 2 раза утром,но не поймал ни одного,они у меня целый год открытые,и летают свободно.Привет с Украины,Днепр.
Asa se vede in video. Doar ca ar fi posibilitatea sa se fi lasat Jos dupa un porumbel care sa lasat Jos sa se ascunda... nu ai fost sa verifici daca a cazut?? Sau el a plecat mai departe??
Am fost dar iesise pe dupa casa si a plecat. Nu era niciun porumbel pe jos si nu au urme de lovituri, dar de auzit am auzit ceva fix cand era el la cabluri.
I know the feeling it got to the point I only let out in the evening when I toss it's early in the morning though it seems when they get back they are waiting or have been chased the whole trip, one thing for sure when birds are trained properly the predators don't have much of a chance, my guys seem spooked after a toss which leads me to believe they were chased all the way back home.
Yeah, it is really hard for the pigeons if the hawk waits for them at the loft. Letting them fly at home in the evening is better for you? I try to avoid evening flying because if it attacks a few times, they keep flying into the night, and once it gets dark they are afraid to get down. It happened several times and it was not pleasant. I heard them flying in the middle of the night - later they disappear. Not sure if they fly all night long or go after the light - the thing is they look really bad next day and they get home one by one like from a very hard race.
I live in los angeles and i have noticed through out the years that sparrow hawks generally hunt more aggressively in the morning(dawn) and almost late in the evening(dusk) Thats why i always felt that when pigeons start their day they fly continuously in the morning over and over again.
My pigeons can stay on the same tree with a sparrowhawk without any fear. I have never seen sparrowhawks chase pigeons here so i doubt that cant be a sparrowhawk
were I live we have the most fastest Bird of Prey of the world, the Peregrine Falcon, most of my Pigeons die in their claws and only 2 of them come back to home with life but injured, some times I found injured pigeons in the street too and I take them to my home
Where are you located? Looks like Europe. Beautiful country. Just to help clarify for some folks. In North America we have a bird called a sparrow hawk. Now renamed the American Kestrel. They weigh around 136 grams or just under 5 ounces. A cock racing pigeon weighs slightly over 16 ounces and a hen slightly under that. Pigeons weigh 3 times what a north american sparrow hawk weighs. Needless to say no american sparrow hawk could take a pigeon. Apparently a large female Eurasian sparrow hawks can weigh up to 12 ounces so they may be able to take a pigeon down but if they do they are pretty amazing predators. The worst predator we have is the coopers hawk. They weigh in around 530 grams or 19 ounces.
Yes Bill, Europe - Romania, my loft being located by the Carpathian mountains. You might be right, the bird in this video might be a coopers hawk - we don't have a term for that here locally, or at least I don't know it, for us pigeon fanciers here all of them are small or big: sparrow hawks or goshawks (Accipiter Gentilis). I realise that we could have a variant in between and that is coopers hawk, but I still have to learn if that one lives here and what is its usual name. Accipiter Gentilis is definitely huge compared to the sparrow hawk, especially the females, and I don't find them being dangerous for fit mature pigeons, they lack speed and agility. On the other hand, the males are much faster and agile. Still not sure those are goshawk males or coopers. The huge accipiter gentilis females disappeared 1-2 months ago, they always do this in winter, I guess they migrate south to warmer areas with more prey.
@@haroonhidayat There are no predators in your area. When you have been training a bird under the constant attacks of hawks for about 25 years, you will understand that there is simply no more dangerous and more agile predator than a hawk. A falcon is always inferior in performance to a hungry hawk.
A Sparrowhawk will catch almost any pigeon. This is the most agile small predator. But nature is created so that balance reigns everywhere. A more agile and smaller predator attacks more agile prey. He attacks the pigeons is extremely rare.
It needs ambush or it has a hard time catching even pigeons. Yes, it is the most agile. I think these are females. The males are very small, am I right that they don't even try with pigeons?
@@Pigeonmaniacom Sparrowhawks come in several species and races. They vary in size, sometimes very small, sometimes medium. In your video, there is a 90% chance it is a woman. Hawks do not always need shelter; they can chase a flock of birds for a long time while in the sky. I often see the attacking Sparrowhawk. Above the forest, he can rise in circles to a great height, and then from there, folding his wings, he dived with an arrow into the forest, diving straight into the trees for small songbirds. By the way, the sparrowhaw differs from the goshawk in that it pulls its legs forward while diving. I also saw several times how a sparrowhawk, circling under a flock of starlings, raised them to a decent height and attacked there already.
@@Pigeonmaniacom The Sparrowhawk attacks pigeons out of desperation. In the hungry winter time. Most often in big cities where pigeons are not so neat. This is his forced measure, since he becomes defenseless and cannot carry a pigeon, plus even a pigeon or jackdaw can injure him. For the entire time of keeping pigeons, I had a maximum of 3-5 attacks. And I saw the same number of attacks on wild pigeons. More often, on the contrary, pigeons and sparrowhawks practically do not notice each other. There was a case when my flock of pigeons sat down with a sparrowhawk on the antenna, sat down and looked at each other in surprise. By the way, when wild pigeons are afraid of a sparrowhawk, they imitate the attack of a flock on a hawk, often fly through it or just above the hawk, as if chasing it. Pigeons don't show this goshawk trick.
Wow, it's incredible, not noticing each other... ignoring each other. For me, the sparrowhawk is a big problem, sometimes it stays on the loft. As for the pigeons, they consider it a goshawk, they react in the same way. I wish it migrates south to warmer areas and more prey, like the goshawks do - at least the females, this is what I am told. And indeed, they disappeared and I will see them again in spring. Not sure about the male goshawks, if they are far I can't tell the difference between them and the female sparrowhawks.
@@Pigeonmaniacom Even in this video, you can see that the pigeons reacted a little differently. When the hawk had already driven the pigeon, the flock continued to move quickly, but low. If it was a goshawk, then your pigeons would most likely rush into the distance to gain altitude. The male goshawk differs from the female sparrowhawk in the speed of movement. The sparrowhawk female, no matter how large she is, is always sharper. Even when the hawk flies in a straight line and usually flaps 3 times, the sparrowhawk makes these wing flaps faster, sharper. It is immediately obvious that this is a sparrowhawk. Most likely, your pigeons are chased by the same sparrowhawk female. I saw once the attack of the goshawk on the sparrowhawk, the second one skillfully ran away into the bushes of the forest thicket. It's strange why your hawks roam. Our hawks do not fly away for the winter, although our climate is more severe (now -15 outside). About the territory. I think on the contrary, the female is responsible for the territory. She is more attached to nesting and hunting territory. In general, the size of the female allows the male to dictate the conditions. In front of a stranger's male, during the breeding season, the female can playfully first succumb to the stranger, and then attack him and cripple him. The hawk is generally very insidious birds.
salut , andrei, eu nu am vazut sa fi lovit vreun cablu, cred ca l-a evitat la mustata, nu inteleg de ce nu alege pasari mai mici, unui porumbel nu are ce sa-i faca mai mult decat sa-l sperie, tampita pasare acest pasarar .
Salut. Mai mananca mierle, le gasesc fulgii... dar deh, oricat e de agil, e mai usor de prins un porumbel decat un pitigoi, iti dai seama. Si daca are unde sa-l manance fara sa fie deranjat, a dat lovitura ca e si prada mare pentru el, se satura pe cateva zile.
nu prea are cum sa-l manance decat daca porumbelul intra in panica si ,,ingheata ,, de frica, am vazut un clip cu un asemenea uliu pasarar care statea calare pe un porumbel care evident era mai mare decat el si cu toate acestea il manca de viu, sareau fulgii in toate partile , se zbatea el un pic dar nu reusea sa iasa de sub uliu, nu imi venea sa cred. daca isi punea mintea porumbelul zbura cu uliul in spate , statura il ajuta insa nu cred ca avea curajul, asta ii omoara pe porumbei, faptul ca odata prinsi isi accepta soarta si nu prea se mai zbat, nu sunt bataiosi precum ciorile de exemplu.
@@dumitrud.3077 Am vazut care au mai scapat. Odata mi-a luat unul si a venit acasa dupa 2 zile cu gauri prin el. La cum se zbat in mana cand ii prindem noi, ar trebui sa faca la fel si sub uliu. Dar probabil ca asa cum zici, unii "ingheata".
@@Pigeonmaniacom din moment ce se incleasta cu ghearele cam greu sa mai scape, depinde unde il agata, imi aduc aminte uliu porumbar cum era inclestat in gaina si cocosul sarea in el intr una dar porumbarul parca era blocat cu ghearele in ea si tot incasa de la cocos sarituri in fata sau se mai lasa pe spate, pana aparusem eu si l am luat la goana :)), amintiri din copilarie cred ca aveam 5-6 ani, actiunea se petrecea la munte unde porumbarii sunt enormi :)).
20 plus years ago in rural America if the same hawk (unless a Peregrine) returned again and again and killed your birds, you could shoot the bird as a nuisance animal. I dont think the laws are the same anymore.
Not legally in the UK you can’t, nuisance or not and thank goodness that is the case - these birds are not nuisance in any case, they are going about their natural way of life which in not the life of these pigeons.
"THAT" my friend, is NO Sparrowhawk!!!! "THAT THERE" my friend is most definitely a Cooper's Hawk!!..and also, he/it did NOT take a cable in the face, the cable wire didn't even flinge at all whatsoever, plus, the Coopers' Hawk is so agile, so precise that it is unlikely he'd hit any wire(s)!..... Cheers to all,
Yes Frank, I am told by a few guys that that's a Cooper's hawk. Not sure the name for it where I live, fanciers here only call them sparrowhawk or goshawk, with these middle size ones being often debated as being male goshawks or female sparrowhawks. I guess the question is: can Cooper's carry their prey in a long flight? Sparrowhawks definitely can't carry pigeons, while goshawks especially the famales can. I saw hawks like the one in the video that got my pigeon several times and couldn't carry it so I was able to go there and save it, this is why I thought they are sparrowhawk females.
@@Pigeonmaniacom There are no Cooper's hawks in Romania. They are only found in North America. It looks like it's two hawks in the video. The first one I'm not 100% certain on, it's either a female sparrowhawk or a male goshawk. The second hawk is a juvenile goshawk.
@@manssoderberg9395 Thank you. I also think the first one is a female sparrowhawk but I think the same about the second. I assume you are passionate about birds of prey. Why I find it hard to believe that is a juvenile goshawk? Because even the mature ones migrated south for an easier life over winter I think - I haven't seen a female since mid autumn. Not sure about males - but I imagine juveniles would definitely migrate because the lack of experience to survive during winter with very little prey here by the mountains.
@@Pigeonmaniacom Well, there are no other birds that looks like that in Europe so I'm certain it's goshawk. Most goshawks do not migrate over winter. We have lots of goshawks here in Sweden during winter, even in the northen parts of Sweden.
@@manssoderberg9395 it couldn't be a goshawk, they are twice the size of a pigeon. This hawk looks about the same size as the pigeon or only slightly larger.
If my pigeons sees a hawk they fly next to the hawk 😂😂 like very very close to the hawk , my veteran pigeons , when it comes to how to deal with hawks 💪
You gotta admire the little hawks for trying. Lot's of guys say colored pigeons are hawk bait. Have you seen any evidence to show hawks take them more often than blue checks or blue bars? Another great video by the way.
Thank you. When the white or light colored pigeons are inside a flock, the color doesn't matter, the birds of prey choose the weakest, the ones that split from the flock, etc., usually younger, sick, or with less agility, fitness and more weight. You know, less energy spent for a meal. The problem with white/colored pigeons appears during races, because when they are one their own, they are seen easier on a dark background (mountain, forest). When my birds are ranging far from home and I almost can't see the flock anymore on the forest background, I see the white pigeons so I know the flock is there.
@@Pigeonmaniacom Thanks for your observation. I was of that opinion myself but so many guys call coloured pigeons "hawk bait". You would know from your personal observations and great videos. Thank you!
Da nu vezi zilnic astfel de video-uri, poate te contacteaza aia de pe la bbc national geographic... you know and this little predator make your pigeon better body and better instinct against the falcon aswell, it s look anoyng but is part of the nature and he have is role, it s looks pretty hungry, maybe would learns soon like the falcons from last year that your pigeons they are not se easy prey like other lofts :D, but man in my opinion it is and this one a good trainer fiittnes for your pigeon, they have a big programe of fittnes your pigeon !! :)) i wait for next video !!! cool !
@@George.T. yaya dude, true, you have feelings for our little flyers, but we learn aswell is better for them to be free with all the danger, freedom is key of happiness !
@@George.T. i don t know bro, but better die free then a slave in the cage, depends... i like freedom, is just a body, life is eternity ... you choose.
@@robiamsterdam7745 Deep inside your heart, you really know that these are beautiful words only. Nobody choose to die instead of being freedom privated for a while... If our pigeons knew, they would choose this way. On the other hand, I'm asking you: what happen to your pigeons from breeding loft? Are they free to fly " când mușchii lor" ? 🤣 Dă-o naibii de engleză, de români ce suntem amândoi...😂😂😂😂
Era bine sa ai o goarna ceva sa faci zgomot cu ia poate atuci nu mai vine asa de des la tine la porumbei sau poti sa el dai cu sprei anti rapitoare nu stiu daca ajuta dar in zona câmpulung este jale cu el mai ale cu el călator câte pierderi ai pe an ai peste 30 buc
Ma ia lumea de nebun cu goarna, si asa..... :)) Oricum mai bat din palme dar nu prea tin ei cont. Cel mai simtit e soimul, uliul e asa si asa, iar asta mic uliul pasarar e cel mai nesimtit. Cea mai buna iarna a fost acum 2 ani cand am pierdut doar 10 dar incepusem si cu putinei. In alte ierni a luat si 30+.
Eu el dau drumul nu mai cand este cald afara ca cand este frig ii alegra rau ca ma padure la 500m de mine in aer si ataca toama la greu cel păsarar dar e mai jal cu el calator ca ii sperie ca el păsărar mai scap de el dar de cel călator mai greu dar acum asta este soara lor nu avem cf noii
That bird looks too big for a Sparrow Hawk and is colored more like a Coopers Hawk. Seems that when they make a kill it is always one of your best birds>
This is in Romania. There are no coopers hawks there. It's a juvenile goshawk. They look very similar to juvenile coopers, but the goshawks are bigger.
@@manssoderberg9395 Thanks for the reply.I'm from Pennsylvania where we have Sparrow Hawks and they are very small and feed on small song birds .Our pigeons were often attacked by Coopers Hawks and one flew through a neighbors picture window and we were called to come and get "your pigeon". We and the neighbor were surprised to see that it was the hawk and not one of our birds that had flown into the window and it was sitting on a chair in a stunned condition.The hawk did not survive the ordeal.
I agree 100% Richard Umstead ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"THAT" my friend, is NO Sparrowhawk!!!! "THAT THERE" my friend is most definitely a Cooper's Hawk!!..and also, he/it did NOT take a cable in the face, the cable wire didn't even flinge at all whatsoever, plus, the Coopers' Hawk is so agile, so precise that it is unlikely he'd hit any wire(s)!..... Cheers to all,
@@radiationsnowman Like I replied earlier. There are no Cooper's hawk in Europe. They are only found in North America. Juvenile "European" goshawks are look very similar to juvenile Cooper's hawks. The juvenile hawk in this video is a goshawk.
I am a hobbyist and lover of pigeons and hope they will not be harmed .. but watching your photography is a pleasure. I wish you a happy life, and your birds have a hawk-free life🌹
instablaster...
Birds aren't even afraid of that sparrow hawk they're just goofing around with him. They know its a toddler trying its luck😘🤭
Mine sometimes circle around the hovering hawks and tease them to a fight until they see them off.
Yes they circle around the hawks and tease them, unless the hawks are a lot higher than them on the sky and getting ready to attack. We can also tease the lion in the cage at the zoo, but if the door opens, no more teasing I guess. :))
@@Pigeonmaniacom yep
;-)
B-)
Loved the close-up shots in this particular video 📸. Great work filming it and editing
your birds are incredibly alert from chasing predator they had high stamina to fast fly they will survive and your birds are the best.. i love your video to watched🤘🏼👍
Thank you.
Brilliant to watch, keep up the good work!!
This is simply awesome 😍👌
Ceva pentru inima mea, așa.. 😁
It was something awesome that could have end to be terrible...
@@George.T. but it didn't. 😁 The best survives. this is exactly the idea. However, I cannot help but admire the failures of predators, especially when they are persevering. It's just.. just what I want to see.
@@chciprianionut4289
But predators must eat too.
No eat, no predators...
No predators, no satisfaction...😂😂
P.S. of course I want keep them not really dead but far away at least...
Something like that 😁👌
Hey I like your style. You’re not afraid to let your birds. It serval of the fittest. Only the best will.
These are some experimental birds I fly in winter because I can't stay 6 months with all pigeons in the loft, I love seeing them flying. I do keep my main racing team locked for the winter. But yes, the winter survivors are great birds in all aspects.
you got to thank the sparrowhawk trainer for your racing pigeons....
OMG what a SHOW! i suppose that when your pidgeons are in danger that should not be a funny sight, but... what a magnificent spectacle of nature and what footage! I think your pigeons are much better at eluding hawk attacks that falcon attacks.
The hawk didn't look hit ...🤷♂️
I think his brakes failed up a little bit on curve and he skidded. 🙄
Slippy weather, deh...😋
Anyway, this is the kind of movie for which not 4k but 40k should be invented for the later indictment on court.😁
I found him guilty anyway...😝
lol, yeah, let's see what I can do in 5K for now. The thing is I heard something exactly when it is at the cables and no pigeon is hurt. Dunno, I hope it took a bite from that cable. :))
@@Pigeonmaniacom
I'm sure he didn't. If he would have bite that cable, you wouldn't have light into the house...😂
У меня тоже сегодня гонялся за почтовыми голубями 2 раза утром,но не поймал ни одного,они у меня целый год открытые,и летают свободно.Привет с Украины,Днепр.
At 1:54 I think it took a cable right in the face. Haha.
Asa se vede in video. Doar ca ar fi posibilitatea sa se fi lasat Jos dupa un porumbel care sa lasat Jos sa se ascunda... nu ai fost sa verifici daca a cazut?? Sau el a plecat mai departe??
Am fost dar iesise pe dupa casa si a plecat. Nu era niciun porumbel pe jos si nu au urme de lovituri, dar de auzit am auzit ceva fix cand era el la cabluri.
@@Pigeonmaniacom eu nu vad nici.un cablu dar se vede cum micutul nostru face niste piruete prin aer :))
Asa pare. Ce-i drept si-a cam cautat-o zburand atat de jos.
Taking delight in the potential demise or injury of the sparrow hawk is despicable, you should be ashamed of yourself
I know the feeling it got to the point I only let out in the evening when I toss it's early in the morning though it seems when they get back they are waiting or have been chased the whole trip, one thing for sure when birds are trained properly the predators don't have much of a chance, my guys seem spooked after a toss which leads me to believe they were chased all the way back home.
Yeah, it is really hard for the pigeons if the hawk waits for them at the loft. Letting them fly at home in the evening is better for you? I try to avoid evening flying because if it attacks a few times, they keep flying into the night, and once it gets dark they are afraid to get down. It happened several times and it was not pleasant. I heard them flying in the middle of the night - later they disappear. Not sure if they fly all night long or go after the light - the thing is they look really bad next day and they get home one by one like from a very hard race.
@@Pigeonmaniacom Mine fly and come in before dark I stay there and watch them they don't stay out anymore only when new my flock outfly the predators
I live in los angeles and i have noticed through out the years that sparrow hawks generally hunt more aggressively in the morning(dawn) and almost late in the evening(dusk) Thats why i always felt that when pigeons start their day they fly continuously in the morning over and over again.
My pigeons can stay on the same tree with a sparrowhawk without any fear. I have never seen sparrowhawks chase pigeons here so i doubt that cant be a sparrowhawk
Smart pigeon ❤️❤️❤️
Nice video, Do you feed them before the flight or after the flight?
Never seen a sparrowhawk on my pigeons, only peregrins and goshawk, nice video.
Thanks 👍
Brilliant
What a great chase fighting 👏
Thank you.
were I live we have the most fastest Bird of Prey of the world, the Peregrine Falcon, most of my Pigeons die in their claws and only 2 of them come back to home with life but injured, some times I found injured pigeons in the street too and I take them to my home
Where are you located? Looks like Europe. Beautiful country. Just to help clarify for some folks. In North America we have a bird called a sparrow hawk. Now renamed the American Kestrel. They weigh around 136 grams or just under 5 ounces. A cock racing pigeon weighs slightly over 16 ounces and a hen slightly under that. Pigeons weigh 3 times what a north american sparrow hawk weighs. Needless to say no american sparrow hawk could take a pigeon. Apparently a large female Eurasian sparrow hawks can weigh up to 12 ounces so they may be able to take a pigeon down but if they do they are pretty amazing predators. The worst predator we have is the coopers hawk. They weigh in around 530 grams or 19 ounces.
Yes Bill, Europe - Romania, my loft being located by the Carpathian mountains. You might be right, the bird in this video might be a coopers hawk - we don't have a term for that here locally, or at least I don't know it, for us pigeon fanciers here all of them are small or big: sparrow hawks or goshawks (Accipiter Gentilis). I realise that we could have a variant in between and that is coopers hawk, but I still have to learn if that one lives here and what is its usual name. Accipiter Gentilis is definitely huge compared to the sparrow hawk, especially the females, and I don't find them being dangerous for fit mature pigeons, they lack speed and agility. On the other hand, the males are much faster and agile. Still not sure those are goshawk males or coopers. The huge accipiter gentilis females disappeared 1-2 months ago, they always do this in winter, I guess they migrate south to warmer areas with more prey.
peregrine may be a chance...
sparrow hawk... no way
Well, I prefer the falcon. This little hawk is the most annoying ever. Does it try to enter the loft in your area too?
@@Pigeonmaniacom
I prefer no one...😁😋
@@Pigeonmaniacom no predators in my area lol... except annoying cats
@@haroonhidayat There are no predators in your area. When you have been training a bird under the constant attacks of hawks for about 25 years, you will understand that there is simply no more dangerous and more agile predator than a hawk. A falcon is always inferior in performance to a hungry hawk.
@@Dimarik73rus that s a surprise
Falcon inferior to hawk in catching pigeons 🤷♂️
Хороший кадры и природа красивый
A Sparrowhawk will catch almost any pigeon. This is the most agile small predator. But nature is created so that balance reigns everywhere. A more agile and smaller predator attacks more agile prey. He attacks the pigeons is extremely rare.
It needs ambush or it has a hard time catching even pigeons. Yes, it is the most agile. I think these are females. The males are very small, am I right that they don't even try with pigeons?
@@Pigeonmaniacom Sparrowhawks come in several species and races. They vary in size, sometimes very small, sometimes medium. In your video, there is a 90% chance it is a woman. Hawks do not always need shelter; they can chase a flock of birds for a long time while in the sky. I often see the attacking Sparrowhawk. Above the forest, he can rise in circles to a great height, and then from there, folding his wings, he dived with an arrow into the forest, diving straight into the trees for small songbirds. By the way, the sparrowhaw differs from the goshawk in that it pulls its legs forward while diving. I also saw several times how a sparrowhawk, circling under a flock of starlings, raised them to a decent height and attacked there already.
@@Pigeonmaniacom The Sparrowhawk attacks pigeons out of desperation. In the hungry winter time. Most often in big cities where pigeons are not so neat. This is his forced measure, since he becomes defenseless and cannot carry a pigeon, plus even a pigeon or jackdaw can injure him. For the entire time of keeping pigeons, I had a maximum of 3-5 attacks. And I saw the same number of attacks on wild pigeons. More often, on the contrary, pigeons and sparrowhawks practically do not notice each other. There was a case when my flock of pigeons sat down with a sparrowhawk on the antenna, sat down and looked at each other in surprise. By the way, when wild pigeons are afraid of a sparrowhawk, they imitate the attack of a flock on a hawk, often fly through it or just above the hawk, as if chasing it. Pigeons don't show this goshawk trick.
Wow, it's incredible, not noticing each other... ignoring each other. For me, the sparrowhawk is a big problem, sometimes it stays on the loft. As for the pigeons, they consider it a goshawk, they react in the same way. I wish it migrates south to warmer areas and more prey, like the goshawks do - at least the females, this is what I am told. And indeed, they disappeared and I will see them again in spring. Not sure about the male goshawks, if they are far I can't tell the difference between them and the female sparrowhawks.
@@Pigeonmaniacom Even in this video, you can see that the pigeons reacted a little differently. When the hawk had already driven the pigeon, the flock continued to move quickly, but low. If it was a goshawk, then your pigeons would most likely rush into the distance to gain altitude. The male goshawk differs from the female sparrowhawk in the speed of movement. The sparrowhawk female, no matter how large she is, is always sharper. Even when the hawk flies in a straight line and usually flaps 3 times, the sparrowhawk makes these wing flaps faster, sharper. It is immediately obvious that this is a sparrowhawk. Most likely, your pigeons are chased by the same sparrowhawk female. I saw once the attack of the goshawk on the sparrowhawk, the second one skillfully ran away into the bushes of the forest thicket.
It's strange why your hawks roam. Our hawks do not fly away for the winter, although our climate is more severe (now -15 outside). About the territory. I think on the contrary, the female is responsible for the territory. She is more attached to nesting and hunting territory. In general, the size of the female allows the male to dictate the conditions. In front of a stranger's male, during the breeding season, the female can playfully first succumb to the stranger, and then attack him and cripple him. The hawk is generally very insidious birds.
Great footage 👌👌👌
Thank you, Brian.
No cable.
salut , andrei, eu nu am vazut sa fi lovit vreun cablu, cred ca l-a evitat la mustata, nu inteleg de ce nu alege pasari mai mici, unui porumbel nu are ce sa-i faca mai mult decat sa-l sperie, tampita pasare acest pasarar .
Nu e uliu păsărar (sparrowhawk) care este de talie mică ci este uliu porumbar, care are talie un pic mai mare decat porumbelul.
Salut. Mai mananca mierle, le gasesc fulgii... dar deh, oricat e de agil, e mai usor de prins un porumbel decat un pitigoi, iti dai seama. Si daca are unde sa-l manance fara sa fie deranjat, a dat lovitura ca e si prada mare pentru el, se satura pe cateva zile.
nu prea are cum sa-l manance decat daca porumbelul intra in panica si ,,ingheata ,, de frica, am vazut un clip cu un asemenea uliu pasarar care statea calare pe un porumbel care evident era mai mare decat el si cu toate acestea il manca de viu, sareau fulgii in toate partile , se zbatea el un pic dar nu reusea sa iasa de sub uliu, nu imi venea sa cred. daca isi punea mintea porumbelul zbura cu uliul in spate , statura il ajuta insa nu cred ca avea curajul, asta ii omoara pe porumbei, faptul ca odata prinsi isi accepta soarta si nu prea se mai zbat, nu sunt bataiosi precum ciorile de exemplu.
@@dumitrud.3077 Am vazut care au mai scapat. Odata mi-a luat unul si a venit acasa dupa 2 zile cu gauri prin el. La cum se zbat in mana cand ii prindem noi, ar trebui sa faca la fel si sub uliu. Dar probabil ca asa cum zici, unii "ingheata".
@@Pigeonmaniacom din moment ce se incleasta cu ghearele cam greu sa mai scape, depinde unde il agata, imi aduc aminte uliu porumbar cum era inclestat in gaina si cocosul sarea in el intr una dar porumbarul parca era blocat cu ghearele in ea si tot incasa de la cocos sarituri in fata sau se mai lasa pe spate, pana aparusem eu si l am luat la goana :)), amintiri din copilarie cred ca aveam 5-6 ani, actiunea se petrecea la munte unde porumbarii sunt enormi :)).
20 plus years ago in rural America if the same hawk (unless a Peregrine) returned again and again and killed your birds, you could shoot the bird as a nuisance animal. I dont think the laws are the same anymore.
Not legally in the UK you can’t, nuisance or not and thank goodness that is the case - these birds are not nuisance in any case, they are going about their natural way of life which in not the life of these pigeons.
Beuatiful place which is a country buddy
Terrifying for the birds and doesn't make for a happy loft.
Yes, especially when it comes on the loft and tries to get inside... horrible.
@@Pigeonmaniacom perfectly natural behaviour unlike yours
"THAT" my friend, is NO Sparrowhawk!!!! "THAT THERE" my friend is most definitely a Cooper's Hawk!!..and also, he/it did NOT take a cable in the face, the cable wire didn't even flinge at all whatsoever, plus, the Coopers' Hawk is so agile, so precise that it is unlikely he'd hit any wire(s)!..... Cheers to all,
Yes Frank, I am told by a few guys that that's a Cooper's hawk. Not sure the name for it where I live, fanciers here only call them sparrowhawk or goshawk, with these middle size ones being often debated as being male goshawks or female sparrowhawks. I guess the question is: can Cooper's carry their prey in a long flight? Sparrowhawks definitely can't carry pigeons, while goshawks especially the famales can. I saw hawks like the one in the video that got my pigeon several times and couldn't carry it so I was able to go there and save it, this is why I thought they are sparrowhawk females.
@@Pigeonmaniacom There are no Cooper's hawks in Romania. They are only found in North America. It looks like it's two hawks in the video. The first one I'm not 100% certain on, it's either a female sparrowhawk or a male goshawk. The second hawk is a juvenile goshawk.
@@manssoderberg9395 Thank you. I also think the first one is a female sparrowhawk but I think the same about the second. I assume you are passionate about birds of prey. Why I find it hard to believe that is a juvenile goshawk? Because even the mature ones migrated south for an easier life over winter I think - I haven't seen a female since mid autumn. Not sure about males - but I imagine juveniles would definitely migrate because the lack of experience to survive during winter with very little prey here by the mountains.
@@Pigeonmaniacom Well, there are no other birds that looks like that in Europe so I'm certain it's goshawk. Most goshawks do not migrate over winter. We have lots of goshawks here in Sweden during winter, even in the northen parts of Sweden.
@@manssoderberg9395 it couldn't be a goshawk, they are twice the size of a pigeon. This hawk looks about the same size as the pigeon or only slightly larger.
Excellent
Excellent
Excellent
If my pigeons sees a hawk they fly next to the hawk 😂😂 like very very close to the hawk , my veteran pigeons , when it comes to how to deal with hawks 💪
Yes, when the hawk is not in a position to attack, the annoy it by flying very close to it.
I have a video on my channel of a Sparrowhawk trying to ambush a swift
👍👍👍🕊️🕊️🕊️
Wow
🕊️ Pigeon Mania 🦸
your pigeons used to play with hawks ... lol
Still playing, just another level. lol
He dont hit a cable whit the face he hit a pigeon and the he stay wahtching the pigeon on the floor and then he turn back to finish his job 👌
You gotta admire the little hawks for trying. Lot's of guys say colored pigeons are hawk bait. Have you seen any evidence to show hawks take them more often than blue checks or blue bars? Another great video by the way.
Thank you. When the white or light colored pigeons are inside a flock, the color doesn't matter, the birds of prey choose the weakest, the ones that split from the flock, etc., usually younger, sick, or with less agility, fitness and more weight. You know, less energy spent for a meal. The problem with white/colored pigeons appears during races, because when they are one their own, they are seen easier on a dark background (mountain, forest). When my birds are ranging far from home and I almost can't see the flock anymore on the forest background, I see the white pigeons so I know the flock is there.
@@Pigeonmaniacom Thanks for your observation. I was of that opinion myself but so many guys call coloured pigeons "hawk bait". You would know from your personal observations and great videos. Thank you!
Good
They need a bath mate
Its like a male goshawk
Yeah, in between male goshawk and female sparrowhawk. I'd go for the sparrowhawk, too small body size and look at the flying style.
@@Pigeonmaniacom Coopers hawk. I've seen many of these on the Eastern United States.
Dinner 🍝 time
👍👍👍
Da nu vezi zilnic astfel de video-uri, poate te contacteaza aia de pe la bbc national geographic... you know and this little predator make your pigeon better body and better instinct against the falcon aswell, it s look anoyng but is part of the nature and he have is role, it s looks pretty hungry, maybe would learns soon like the falcons from last year that your pigeons they are not se easy prey like other lofts :D, but man in my opinion it is and this one a good trainer fiittnes for your pigeon, they have a big programe of fittnes your pigeon !! :)) i wait for next video !!! cool !
We all want hawk to be our pigeons' trainer 👍
...till he catches one of our favourites and then we don't want him anymore...😝
@@George.T. yaya dude, true, you have feelings for our little flyers, but we learn aswell is better for them to be free with all the danger, freedom is key of happiness !
@@robiamsterdam7745
Free but dead is worse than closed over the winter but alive after...
@@George.T. i don t know bro, but better die free then a slave in the cage, depends... i like freedom, is just a body, life is eternity ... you choose.
@@robiamsterdam7745
Deep inside your heart, you really know that these are beautiful words only. Nobody choose to die instead of being freedom privated for a while...
If our pigeons knew, they would choose this way.
On the other hand, I'm asking you: what happen to your pigeons from breeding loft? Are they free to fly " când mușchii lor" ? 🤣
Dă-o naibii de engleză, de români ce suntem amândoi...😂😂😂😂
Ți-a luat șoimul ceva ?
Soimul a luat in alte zile, dar asta nu e soim, e uliu pasarar.
Aha
Сколько потерь за зиму?
English, Evgheni, English...🤣
Trying with Google translate. :) 12 young birds in October and November, most taken by the falcon and a few by hawks. Winter has just started.
@@Pigeonmaniacom
Hey, John (Snow), it's fashionable to say *the winter is coming* ...🤣😋
In zona ta nu exista gutani? Vad ca numai in ai tai se arunca..
Exista gutani, dar aia zboara doar intre podul lor si locul de hranire, la nivelul acoperisurilor. Ai mei zboara mult pe sus si sunt mai expusi.
Pigeon indefense 🕊❤
Muito bom 🙏🙏🙏
Era bine sa ai o goarna ceva sa faci zgomot cu ia poate atuci nu mai vine asa de des la tine la porumbei sau poti sa el dai cu sprei anti rapitoare nu stiu daca ajuta dar in zona câmpulung este jale cu el mai ale cu el călator câte pierderi ai pe an ai peste 30 buc
Ma ia lumea de nebun cu goarna, si asa..... :)) Oricum mai bat din palme dar nu prea tin ei cont. Cel mai simtit e soimul, uliul e asa si asa, iar asta mic uliul pasarar e cel mai nesimtit. Cea mai buna iarna a fost acum 2 ani cand am pierdut doar 10 dar incepusem si cu putinei. In alte ierni a luat si 30+.
Eu el dau drumul nu mai cand este cald afara ca cand este frig ii alegra rau ca ma padure la 500m de mine in aer si ataca toama la greu cel păsarar dar e mai jal cu el calator ca ii sperie ca el păsărar mai scap de el dar de cel călator mai greu dar acum asta este soara lor nu avem cf noii
👍👍
white bird on loft in cage with snares fishing line slip knots no more prob take the hawk on a training toss audios amigo
😘
👏👏👏
That bird looks too big for a Sparrow Hawk and is colored more like a Coopers Hawk. Seems that when they make a kill it is always one of your best birds>
This is in Romania. There are no coopers hawks there. It's a juvenile goshawk. They look very similar to juvenile coopers, but the goshawks are bigger.
@@manssoderberg9395 Thanks for the reply.I'm from Pennsylvania where we have Sparrow Hawks and they are very small and feed on small song birds .Our pigeons were often attacked by Coopers Hawks and one flew through a neighbors picture window and we were called to come and get "your pigeon". We and the neighbor were surprised to see that it was the hawk and not one of our birds that had flown into the window and it was sitting on a chair in a stunned condition.The hawk did not survive the ordeal.
I agree 100% Richard Umstead ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"THAT" my friend, is NO Sparrowhawk!!!! "THAT THERE" my friend is most definitely a Cooper's Hawk!!..and also, he/it did NOT take a cable in the face, the cable wire didn't even flinge at all whatsoever, plus, the Coopers' Hawk is so agile, so precise that it is unlikely he'd hit any wire(s)!..... Cheers to all,
@@radiationsnowman Like I replied earlier. There are no Cooper's hawk in Europe. They are only found in North America. Juvenile "European" goshawks are look very similar to juvenile Cooper's hawks. The juvenile hawk in this video is a goshawk.
ليس شيهانه انها الباز
Be better without the music.....shame
Firs