Her dealbreaker is NO bad "D," NO broke men and NO Nigerian men...

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  • @iamsadeashley
    @iamsadeashley 9 місяців тому +139

    2 losses in a month is rough, prayers to her 🙏🏾

  • @rororidley5829
    @rororidley5829 9 місяців тому +152

    My cousin’s husband is shorter than her and would fight a polar bear with a straw to protect her. Plus he upgraded her life in EVERY WAY!!! He even got her a bigger house with a guest house included. When my husband and I went to visit we loved their chemistry. I am so happy she found love again. Someone who adores her and her children. He even loves her step kids from her previous marriage and treats them well when they come to visit.

    • @VeeKayGreenerGrass
      @VeeKayGreenerGrass 9 місяців тому +22

      High value is a mentality. I wish more men understood this.

    • @gregb1374
      @gregb1374 9 місяців тому +27

      ​@VeeKayGreenerGrass Height has nothing to do with character. I wish more women understood this.

    • @VeeKayGreenerGrass
      @VeeKayGreenerGrass 9 місяців тому +6

      @@gregb1374 yes. Focus on developing a high value mentality which will seep into your character.

    • @gregb1374
      @gregb1374 9 місяців тому +5

      @VeeKayGreenerGrass Sticking to the context of the original post, and keeping in mind this height preference most women tend to have, my point stands. From the original comment, he's a short man who takes care of his responsibilities, which is great.

    • @VeeKayGreenerGrass
      @VeeKayGreenerGrass 9 місяців тому +1

      @@gregb1374 I'm responding to the affirmation of short men who have a high value mentality as per the comment about a cousin with a short husband.
      The husbands character is what won her over, despite the height.n

  • @Slaytastiic
    @Slaytastiic 9 місяців тому +137

    I hope the 1st girl feels better 😟❤❤

    • @gracegeorge7285
      @gracegeorge7285 9 місяців тому +10

      Me too

    • @ebonynaomi1085
      @ebonynaomi1085 9 місяців тому +23

      She lost her relationship and her grandmother all in the same month. She needs to just heal and grieve.

  • @almondy1963
    @almondy1963 9 місяців тому +37

    Awwe, my heart and prayers goes out to the first young lady 😢❤🙏🏾

  • @d.7203
    @d.7203 9 місяців тому +47

    I hope the first lady feels better...

  • @ES92-
    @ES92- 9 місяців тому +45

    ayyy, marjorie Needs some strength.
    2 losses all at once hits you like a brick wall.
    Hope she got people to support her !

  • @ayedrey
    @ayedrey 9 місяців тому +136

    1st lady has to focus on her health.

    • @jaeshasway
      @jaeshasway 9 місяців тому +20

      Exactly. Just broken up but looking to date? We have got to learn how to heal and put ourselves first. Too many women don’t understand what that means though. They see their self worth in relationships so jump right out of one and into another.

    • @nessawithsmiles
      @nessawithsmiles 9 місяців тому +15

      @@jaeshaswaythe woman you responded to is saying that the first woman should focus on losing weight.

    • @Mortis33-o4b
      @Mortis33-o4b 9 місяців тому +24

      31? Her weight ages her bad. I feel bad for her stay strong beautiful and take care of yourself

    • @toeaxn
      @toeaxn 9 місяців тому +11

      How do we know she hasn’t started a health journey?

    • @nessawithsmiles
      @nessawithsmiles 9 місяців тому +3

      @@toeaxn this.

  • @ArtLee68
    @ArtLee68 9 місяців тому +74

    Many women are missing out on their blessings because they are looking at a man’s height. If you are attracted to his looks give yourself a chance to get to know him.

    • @VeeKayGreenerGrass
      @VeeKayGreenerGrass 9 місяців тому

      Be careful though, ugly men have deep seated self esteem issues that jump out.
      It helps when a man has accepted his shortcomings and can laugh with and at himself.
      I speak from experience.

    • @mamat1213
      @mamat1213 9 місяців тому +13

      Same can be said for men with weight and other superficial requirements. Height and skin tone are the few things you can’t change

    • @Ki-Yemaya
      @Ki-Yemaya 9 місяців тому +7

      To be honest, a lot of men are insecure with their height. And have issues with women who are taller than them. I've had some make remarks when I have in heels.

    • @trombonefellow
      @trombonefellow 9 місяців тому +5

      Just wasting that man time, go for men you actually want. But if you're worried about height you can't complain hes worried about weight. Physical attraction cannot be negotiated, you can only keep up a front for so long

    • @citrustaco
      @citrustaco 9 місяців тому +1

      @@Ki-Yemaya Men are this way because women also have insecurities about dating a man shorter than them and don't want to consider them. So the man is trying to make up for what women say they want in a man and to be more attractive for a woman.

  • @karessk9972
    @karessk9972 9 місяців тому +41

    The second girl she will get there when it comes to mental maturity. She is only 27years old. She will learn that good “d” gets old and the question will then be can he provide mentally spiritually and emotionally. Can he communicate, can he help you grow in areas that you need growth in. Is he a protecter …etc. etc. she will get there…let’s not judge her. She wants what she wants…and sometimes you don’t know what you want until you know what you don’t want.

    • @justlurkin
      @justlurkin 9 місяців тому +11

      27 isn’t an only. She’s already there. She’s either it or not it. Everything after 27 is playing catch up on personal development.

    • @quelquun2018
      @quelquun2018 9 місяців тому

      I learned that at 23.

    • @trombonefellow
      @trombonefellow 9 місяців тому +2

      Good "p" gets old too, before wondering what she can get from a man, mentally spiritually emotionally, etc she should wonder what she can do for a man, mentally spiritually and emotionally, etc. Can she communicate? Or is she going to Ashley behind his back? Is she a nurturer? She judges others, why not judge her?

    • @H_da_6.5
      @H_da_6.5 9 місяців тому +5

      Her out of wedlock child will handicap her in even finding an average husband. Men aren’t willing to be step fathers today like in past times.

    • @briasworld8
      @briasworld8 9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@H_da_6.5Not true at aaaall. I see plenty of them with Women with MULTIPLE Kids. I don't even have baggage & those Women got all of the Men.

  • @brittanyb5942
    @brittanyb5942 9 місяців тому +33

    My heart goes out to the first lady 💔 I feel her pain❤️

  • @mamat1213
    @mamat1213 9 місяців тому +45

    I will tell you…. I don’t care about height at ALL and dated men who were 5’5”-5’8” and I will say that there are often bigger issues with their personality that make it a no. It’s like growing up with a handicap or distinct feature, they often have a more exaggerated macho presentation bc ppl have been clowning and trying them for decades before you came along! Napoleon complex is a real thing but not to say there aren’t exceptions 😢

    • @Arizona_lilly
      @Arizona_lilly 9 місяців тому +3

      Me too I’m 5”5 and my ex was 5”7 and 5”9 I did have a nice Native American boy who was 6 feet he was nice 👍 but dumb as rocks

    • @adnaali8417
      @adnaali8417 9 місяців тому +2

      😅

    • @nicolea.7501
      @nicolea.7501 9 місяців тому +3

      As Black people we should be able to relate to a short man having issues from being ridiculed and discriminated against and then avoided because we have a personality complex, social paranoia and suspicion.

  • @Gotinks
    @Gotinks 9 місяців тому +53

    (2Nd Girl) Her answer to the "5 foot 4 Good man "question, is the reason why she got preggo by the "No Drive Having" Baby daddy.. Stop picking a man based off of what makes you "tingle" 🤣

    • @nt3353
      @nt3353 9 місяців тому

      a woman like that dont deserve a man. no less that she has a child. not even a midget would take that

    • @meloran2571
      @meloran2571 9 місяців тому +2

      shot out to african dude for not getting her pregnant.

    • @sarahjoe2457
      @sarahjoe2457 9 місяців тому +7

      Everyone picks partners from looks. Including men.

    • @trombonefellow
      @trombonefellow 9 місяців тому

      I agree, I would not want to be with a woman I didn't make "tingle". Complete waste of time @@sarahjoe2457

    • @meloran2571
      @meloran2571 9 місяців тому +2

      @@sarahjoe2457 according to women, men are more visual and about the physical attributes than women. you watch any of these "dating shows" and no one stress looks and make them a deal breaker more than women. make that make sense.

  • @butterflyqueen9260
    @butterflyqueen9260 9 місяців тому +42

    She is not ready to date 😢

    • @LuxLife24
      @LuxLife24 9 місяців тому +11

      I know.. I feel bad for her.

  • @karlenwilson2909
    @karlenwilson2909 9 місяців тому +15

    Your energy is infectious, Ashley! Rooting for you 💕

  • @charismalashae5204
    @charismalashae5204 9 місяців тому +7

    God bless the First Lady ❤ sending love and light! It took a lot of strength to join the live and I’m glad you did

  • @ladypeach4118
    @ladypeach4118 9 місяців тому +32

    My husband is shorter than me and he is the best man I have ever dated

  • @brandygee8062
    @brandygee8062 9 місяців тому +26

    Ashley is such a sweetheart ❤to all her guests ❤😊

    • @BlessednFavored47
      @BlessednFavored47 9 місяців тому +4

      Yes she is. A rare gem in this era😊 I love her personality and how she treats every guest that comes onto her platform. Reason why I clicked that like and subscribe button❤

    • @fitzgeraldsemelfort3938
      @fitzgeraldsemelfort3938 8 місяців тому

      And will never get anything accomplished lying to women. 🤦🏾

    • @brandygee8062
      @brandygee8062 8 місяців тому

      @@fitzgeraldsemelfort3938 What things did she say that you believe are lies?
      ( I’m saying this in a curious tone
      non-argumentative)

  • @belizegal29
    @belizegal29 9 місяців тому +18

    The first caller was so sweet, I hope she’s d doing well.
    The second caller is rude, annoying and obnoxious. How you “surpassed” your baby daddy who wasn’t driven, yet he was driven enough to conceive a child with.

  • @offtherip9143
    @offtherip9143 9 місяців тому +21

    Straight out of the KendraG playbook 😂😂 gotta love it

    • @wordplay6665
      @wordplay6665 9 місяців тому +4

      This is crazy! Like damn near exact not cool

    • @trombonefellow
      @trombonefellow 9 місяців тому +7

      Can't knock the hustle

    • @FIT2BETIED100
      @FIT2BETIED100 9 місяців тому +10

      You really think Kendra G is the only person with this type of platform?

    • @offtherip9143
      @offtherip9143 9 місяців тому +2

      @@FIT2BETIED100 go argue with your mother

    • @Dallas_214-wy1ix
      @Dallas_214-wy1ix 9 місяців тому +5

      Hey kousin 😂🤣🤣

  • @T.C556
    @T.C556 9 місяців тому +9

    Hugs and kisses to Marj (first caller). Life can be tough but just hang in there and surround yourself with positive people ❤

  • @pickmeisha
    @pickmeisha 9 місяців тому +10

    Last lady dressed like she going to cut the grass. Yall have all these requirements but can’t even dress to impress the man you desire.

  • @PassportG
    @PassportG 9 місяців тому +6

    These dating shows are more like therapy shows. I do enjoy listening to them. I am glad ppl are open about their pains and trauma and willing to heal.

  • @Star-yk5vk
    @Star-yk5vk 9 місяців тому +19

    When Ashley said, "I see you, King" 😂

  • @Richard-Reloaded
    @Richard-Reloaded 9 місяців тому +65

    On behalf of Nigerian men, we kindly accept her rejection. 😊

  • @meloran2571
    @meloran2571 9 місяців тому +30

    Men with standards and expectations: Controlling
    Women with standards and expectations: A queen not settling for dusties

    • @LARRYLARRY704
      @LARRYLARRY704 9 місяців тому

      Wow how accurate!

    • @BL3SSed-Bliss
      @BL3SSed-Bliss 9 місяців тому +1

      *You are on the **_wrong_** channel.*
      *Go back to KG w/ that mess. This community is **_different._*

    • @meloran2571
      @meloran2571 9 місяців тому

      @@BL3SSed-Bliss you're right. at least KG would challenge some of these delusional women on their "standards." I guess they're looking for a safe space to make a wish

    • @WistleWhileYouTwerk
      @WistleWhileYouTwerk 15 днів тому

      Comparing yourself to women is why you’re failed men

  • @Salena_salena
    @Salena_salena 9 місяців тому +10

    That first one hurt :(

  • @H_da_6.5
    @H_da_6.5 9 місяців тому +10

    As a black man from Indianapolis I take offense to her judgement of us. My little brother just got married. He has all the 6’s and he’s never dated a single mother in his life. I know countless black men that would make or are great husbands. She’s just in the wrong dating pool.

    • @WistleWhileYouTwerk
      @WistleWhileYouTwerk 15 днів тому

      Boo hooo lol
      Y’all married at 23% less than every other group
      It’s a fact, so do something about it

  • @IfUdntknwMebynow
    @IfUdntknwMebynow 18 днів тому +1

    Asking for personal wants and not focused on a mate that make good qualifications to be a role model for your child is sickening

  • @simonsez1787
    @simonsez1787 6 місяців тому +2

    She’s going to end up dating another Nigerian. She’s too preoccupied with them.

  • @jamarjohnson6077
    @jamarjohnson6077 9 місяців тому +8

    Margiore you are not ready. Look within first. And that's ok.

  • @BlackBeauty-yl8uq
    @BlackBeauty-yl8uq 9 місяців тому +6

    Sis is right. A nuff a dem man ya nasty. They pretend to be clean but nasty as can be. I’m such a clean and organized person so I can’t with nasty people.

  • @dariusdavis9293
    @dariusdavis9293 9 місяців тому +3

    How is 100k and over not no money ? Y’all know the percentage of men that make that kind of money ? It’s not a lot

  • @Remember-Death
    @Remember-Death 9 місяців тому +18

    I have no problem with women saying *"Broke Men Should NOT Date,"* ...as long as men are allowed to say, "Obese Women Should NOT Date."

    • @nt3353
      @nt3353 9 місяців тому

      women who cant cook and clean shouldnt be dating.

    • @trombonefellow
      @trombonefellow 9 місяців тому +2

      For real, idk what was the first girl even thinking 😂

    • @liliwms508
      @liliwms508 9 місяців тому +2

      Yikes🥴

    • @malindamcclenny-ellis6758
      @malindamcclenny-ellis6758 5 місяців тому

      Go to Kendra G with the obese comments!

    • @ToniaAlex13
      @ToniaAlex13 3 місяці тому

      Yall do realize there are many men out there who like big women right? In my country, men are telling me not to lose weight bc where am i losing it off of if i talk abt exercise... Ya'll need to realize every man dont all like the same thing

  • @butterflyqueen9260
    @butterflyqueen9260 9 місяців тому +14

    The short men complex is real tho

    • @trombonefellow
      @trombonefellow 9 місяців тому

      About as real as the fat girl complex

  • @horatiogonzalez
    @horatiogonzalez 9 місяців тому +3

    Seems like her baby daddy was her best option. Always amazes me how you 'outgrow' your partner who diligently goes to work everyday. You have a child together. Your promotion or pay rise does not make your man beneath you or useless. More people need to focus on their partners strengths.
    She admits that shes easily swayed so please dont let external influences mess up your next proper relationship (your son needs a safe environment)....good 'D' should not be the priority.

  • @MrPppitts1
    @MrPppitts1 9 місяців тому +4

    31 years old… smh; prayers are up for her.. Health is wealth

  • @Star0920
    @Star0920 9 місяців тому +5

    These women are crazy abt this height stuff. Just get a man based on character NOT looks and some of these women would probably get a good man. Why is dating so complicated in modern times?

    • @Ahyawnah
      @Ahyawnah 9 місяців тому

      Lol “ not looks” funniest thing read in a while 😂😂😂

  • @ejimazor5448
    @ejimazor5448 8 місяців тому +1

    No relationship with their mom... She should imagine her sons future woman saying same

  • @chukie30
    @chukie30 9 місяців тому +1

    People with the money standards but have no idea what real money is… 🤦🏽‍♀️

  • @ContentOverEverythingCOE
    @ContentOverEverythingCOE 9 місяців тому +4

    I was misled by the thumbnail and title 😅 honesty is not synonyms with truth

  • @mzkittym.5450
    @mzkittym.5450 9 місяців тому +4

    Compatibility is major. Can't understand how height can be a priority in choosing a potential partner. I don't think it's fare to expect someone to pay all my bills. Probably drain & stress the guy out. I'm willing to help out, so we can shoulder the load. May free up income for quality time, nice excursions etc.....Relationship destined for doom. 😊

  • @jilllisa5724
    @jilllisa5724 9 місяців тому +3

    I love Margerie, want to hug her.

  • @dmac5808
    @dmac5808 9 місяців тому +6

    She sounds like a child.

  • @mrjooxmanallah
    @mrjooxmanallah 9 місяців тому +2

    10% of men in the US make 6 figures or more.
    15% of men in the US are taller than 6 ft.
    And since height and income are independent variables, that means only 1.5% of men check off both boxes.
    So for the very few men that do, keep your standards high.
    Let all the 5s, 6s and 7s know from the jump that they don’t qualify.
    I damn sure will.

    • @PSYCHDEGREE63
      @PSYCHDEGREE63 8 місяців тому

      No lie detected 👌🏽👌🏽

  • @blackmagick6798
    @blackmagick6798 9 місяців тому +4

    Its the end of the World frfr!

  • @gracegeorge7285
    @gracegeorge7285 9 місяців тому +5

    Haha…be careful what you ask for. Some Naija dudes are the real deal

    • @Obalufon
      @Obalufon 9 місяців тому +2

      Nah, I'm Nigerian and agreed with her 1000%. We don't want her anymore.

  • @saharaloveland
    @saharaloveland 3 місяці тому

    Interesting I never had a height requirement n yet I still attract men of all heights including tall like 6'5 n up . I am tall myself though 5'10

  • @dutchkushman9984
    @dutchkushman9984 9 місяців тому

    What i noticed is that Ashley didnt say....,Hi....,Beautiful‼️ you are so beautiful‼️😂🤣😂🤣😂

  • @gracedrosie5127
    @gracedrosie5127 9 місяців тому +3

    honey Get you a great Nigerian man, they sure are different. Look af kendra G

  • @amorbesley343
    @amorbesley343 9 місяців тому

    Hi Marjorie..spending love and healing to you

  • @LisaBrown-kb4nx
    @LisaBrown-kb4nx 9 місяців тому

    I taught the 1st lady was so beautiful in the face with nice skin tones. I hope she gets it together.

  • @itstomearaap2175
    @itstomearaap2175 9 місяців тому

    “THINK BIG” yessss Ms Ash 😂😂

  • @PragmaticMoves
    @PragmaticMoves 9 місяців тому +1

    Black American men are being smart😅

  • @tanbutterfly8282
    @tanbutterfly8282 2 місяці тому

    Ooo Marjoire 😢 i want to hug her. Poor thing 😢

  • @OO-sb6hz
    @OO-sb6hz 9 місяців тому +1

    Mama, (3rd lady) A rich, 6ft+, great teeth, great hygiene and generous has better looking, child free and younger women queuing up for him. She can't even comb her hair, lazily put in that mum bun. Delulu

  • @lamonttaylor3293
    @lamonttaylor3293 9 місяців тому

    That's why i keep my own house and keep my money to me.. just laughed at them..

  • @timitorlowei104
    @timitorlowei104 9 місяців тому

    At least Second Lady knowns she’s cucu 🚩🚩 so she needs to be by herself 🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @Sheba_316
    @Sheba_316 9 місяців тому

    It’s not time to be dating, grieve and focus on Improving your life before looking for a man.

  • @Arizona_lilly
    @Arizona_lilly 9 місяців тому +2

    Just stay away from fake Nigerian prince u will be ok

  • @MySingleLifeADollShow
    @MySingleLifeADollShow 9 місяців тому

    I feel sorry for the first lady😢❤

  • @leongilkes8393
    @leongilkes8393 9 місяців тому

    Prays go out to u

  • @rayhend100
    @rayhend100 9 місяців тому +4

    Funny how much these women with kids down the father, like, “chiiiile, he ain’t have enough drive, or ambition!”
    Ummm… and you didn’t realize this until when exactly? After you have him sex, and after you got pregnant from him?
    This is ridiculous.

  • @lillyvgutierrez9685
    @lillyvgutierrez9685 8 місяців тому

    I’m sorry baby oh 5 years wasting your life. Oh grandma too

  • @dialac1
    @dialac1 9 місяців тому

    Miss you need to take some time out to heal. It’s not good getting into something new while you’re still emotional. Sorry for your loss

  • @OO-sb6hz
    @OO-sb6hz 9 місяців тому

    How can the world be your oyster and move away easily for 'love' if you coparent well with the dad? You can't uproot the child anywhere with no consideration to dad 12:44

  • @jamescoward110
    @jamescoward110 9 місяців тому

    Momma Z got the oompa loopa going on. But single by choice. At the same time looking for a man🤔 make that make sense by choice. Over 6 feet? 6 figures? Ok. I dont know how she wasnt called out on this nonsense. Lot of work to do i see.

  • @curlspoppington4200
    @curlspoppington4200 9 місяців тому +1

    "obviously" looks don't matter as you get older ?? Umm false.

  • @l_aura6145
    @l_aura6145 9 місяців тому

    Yes Mama Z

  • @yerushalom87
    @yerushalom87 9 місяців тому

    Demanding 100k looking homeless. Come on ladies ❤

  • @Chris10is...
    @Chris10is... 9 місяців тому

    31… poor baby

  • @camarathomas6552
    @camarathomas6552 9 місяців тому

    31? Oh wow.

  • @Mkym365
    @Mkym365 9 місяців тому +1

    Sis, no offense buT Nigerian man ain’t checking for you

  • @lamonttaylor3293
    @lamonttaylor3293 9 місяців тому

    Yeah right

  • @mz.hawkinsplace5735
    @mz.hawkinsplace5735 9 місяців тому

    4 one delusional

  • @weekendnomad5038
    @weekendnomad5038 9 місяців тому

    😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

  • @JaysRandomnessChannel
    @JaysRandomnessChannel 9 місяців тому

    Mannnnn...

  • @SharkOnLand1111
    @SharkOnLand1111 9 місяців тому

    You so nervous girl no broke man girl , oh I was with my man 5 years ago. You should have stayed. Broke men , rich man , red man green man not going to want you be serious

  • @briasworld8
    @briasworld8 9 місяців тому

    First Woman....🙄. Ma'am, why did you even come up? Also, she should work on her Health. Second Woman.... Ma'am just stay Single. You're complaining way too much to be Basic.

  • @davidsejjombwe2313
    @davidsejjombwe2313 9 місяців тому +2

    Dress size?

  • @raymondhenderson1750
    @raymondhenderson1750 9 місяців тому

    i like tessy

  • @rachael862
    @rachael862 9 місяців тому +1

    People stop fat shaming .healing g
    is go.see a therapist not church

  • @thewaldronproject
    @thewaldronproject 9 місяців тому +6

    It’s hard cuz y’all zugly

  • @marieree1973
    @marieree1973 9 місяців тому +5

    Omg! Copying off of Kendra G. Ridiculous!! 🤣🤦🏽‍♀️😂

    • @Shelto220
      @Shelto220 9 місяців тому +6

      She's much better even though i like Kendra too.
      Ashley gives good advice to women vs Kendra just attempts to find matches for delusional babymommas and post wall women.

    • @uzoo6000
      @uzoo6000 9 місяців тому +9

      Thats like saying Publix is copying Walmart or Sony is Copying Samsung or Toyota is Copying Honda...You gerrrrrrrrrrit!

    • @Remember-Death
      @Remember-Death 9 місяців тому +10

      @@uzoo6000 Exactly. There's more than one fast food place that serves hamburgers and fries.

    • @wordplay6665
      @wordplay6665 9 місяців тому

      @@uzoo6000try again

    • @crj550
      @crj550 9 місяців тому +7

      Ashley is not copying Kendra G. Maybe Kendra needs to copy Ashley. Ashley articulates well, no profanity, appearance is appropriate. Her character and conduct display that of a classic lady.

  • @BL3SSed-Bliss
    @BL3SSed-Bliss 9 місяців тому +1

    *"NO Nigerian men"* in the title _seennt me._ 🤣😂😅 Honestly the reason I clicked, I hope to hear why.
    OMG... My heart _hurt_ for Marjorie. 💔💔 I legit felt it in my gut, and at one point realized I wasn't even breathing. *GRIEF IS **_NO_** JOKE. I **_OOOVERSTAND._*
    *May she find peace, healing, serenity, **_rest,_** more healing, and give herself patience and grace while she does.*
    I hope she returns and finds worthy love. 🙏🏽 Love U, Marjorie. 🤍
    (Great advice to her, Ash. I would not date for one year. I know everyone differs, but I hope she at least takes _Winter_ to do so.)