Man, your channel is a real gem. You are not just another cheap "content" repeater You clearly investigate these stories for, when available first-hand sources and IT SHOWS. Way to have integrity!
Just like you, I have heard many versions of this incident and not until I saw the interviews that Mike himself had done on Dive Talk, did I finally hear the truth bc it came straight from the source from that day..Thank you for being willing to put out the truth and acknowledgement to the DIVE TALK channel for they too wanted to set the facts straight about that day .This is one big reason I subscribed to your channel, for truth, not just a "scary story" and for the respect it gives to them and their families..❤️
Dive talk is boring. Very knowledgeable but since all their uploads are of these guys uploads. Imo makes no sense watching people watch videos I watched and seen broken down several times. I feel Dive Talk is more for ppl who don't watch these disaster videos on a regular basis or have little knowledge of diving so need excessive break downs.
@@rynoX88 I understand what your saying..I'm one of those ppl who will probably pretty sure never dive so I admit that I can never understand most of the lure about it, but on the other hand, I do respect those that do enjoy it and try to show the truth about it and share knowledge to potentially save someone's life while diving these places.. Dive Talk maybe" boring", but I would feel safer with "boring" with knowledge, than following someone who would dive me to my death "pretending" to have knowledge..I choose boring knowledge anyday...ALOT of channels are jumping on the "cave diving disasters" now, I at least want to hear these situations with truth..🙂
@@beccad9338 ---- They're kind of like pro golfers. It's one thing to whack the ball around, hoping for not too much over par, and totally another animal altogether to tear a course apart, driving par 4 greens, making many birdies and an occasional eagle - on courses specifically designed to mess you up in many ways. I used to watch them play at Augusta National, the course with the pool-table greens. Saw one guy miss an uphill putt by just a few inches, then his ball reversed course and rolled back downslope - twenty yards all the way into a creek, like it was on glass. Plunk! I figure that's cave diving, only there ... well, it's not lightning that strikes you.
@@rynoX88 I think you're missing the point of channels like Dive Talk. While disaster channels produce great videos, their aim is to tell an engaging story rather than analyse a topic in any depth... they are looking to _entertain_ you. Channels like Dive Talk are aiming to _educate_ you... to analyse these events/videos & provide qualified insight based on their knowledge & expertise. I think you'll find many viewers of channels like Dive Talk watch them precisely _because_ they watch lots of channels like this one... a disaster video sparks your curiosity to understand the nitty-gritty detail behind the story.
You did a great job with this one, I’m I was happy when I saw that you were coving this with info from dive talks video. No shame to to anyone who covered it before with wrong info as it was reported different ways.
I've only recently found this channel & have to say I'm lovin it!! Mind you, this is coming from someone who never learned to swim & hates to be in restricted spaces!!😃 I have no idea why videos on things like diving even interest me, but they do!! Like another person commented here, no hate to anyone else who covers the subject. I believe we spend far too much time & effort bitching about what's wrong in life & not near enough time acknowledging others when they do something positive & do it right. I find this channel presents factual information articulately & explains things in a way that someone like myself who has no experience with the subject can easily understand without further research. Thanks for sharing your knowledge & creativity with the rest of us!! I look forward to your future posts.
Thanks for the info. I'm a scuba instructor who has well over 100 dives in the Blue Hole. I've taken many advanced and deep specialty students to the grate and always wondered what happened to Shane. Only thing you got wrong was the temperature. The water in the Blue Hole is a constant 63 degrees year 'round, not 50.
Sounds like Shane deviated from the plan - for whatever reason. I don't dive (snorkeling is my limit) but even I know know you do not deviate from your plan - unless, I guess, there's a life-and-death reason, an emergency, but even that should be planned out in advance. Tragic impulses.
@abigmonkeyforme ---- One of my fav humorous quotes is Yogi Berra's quip: "If you don't know where you're going, you better be careful, because you just might not get there."
I love this channel and am a happy subscriber. I have much compassion on all the people that lost there lives doing what they love. No matter the depth or height, they lived and dreams and are an inspiration to all. Watching this video several times, I wondered about something... The diver that passed. Being an expert, why did he deviate from the plan he and his friend laid out. If he didn't think it was a good plan, he would have never agreed would he?
Wonder if he just had the exploring itch and decided he could make it? The tanks do not contain "normal" air and even breathing too quickly can make you a bit drowsy or drugged. That might inspire confidence and bad decision making. It sounds like the divers who survive are militant about always sticking to their plan in a very "measure twice (or more), cut once" way of planning.
Great vid! If I can be an editor for a moment: rather than say " He would retrieve" "Both divers would agree" or "the team would recieve" why not say: "He retrieved" "The team received a special grant" "Both divers agreed" Adding the "would" to past tense makes it more confusing and hard to determine whether it's talking about something that happened in near past or far off past, I suppose?
I lost my childhood friend in a motorcycle accident cpl weeks ago. As it's very sad, we also say at least he passed away doing what he loved riding his Harley, which besides his 2 baby girls that was his strong passion.
When people say they died doing what they loved, I'm sure those few minutes before death made them wish they had never done what they were doing that caused their death.
I'm no diver, but I find this type of exploration fascinating. Why are the "lines" so thin and flimsy looking? No wonder divers can't locate them when there is a silt out. Why not use actual rope or something?
@abigmonkeyforme Well covered, only thing ya left off, was that they also use reels as tie offs, so they have an attatched line to their body/hand, and it takes them back to the main line.
@abigmonkeyforme geez 🙄 offended by saying you did well and only left one thing off? Cmon. It was a comment of well done. Your second comment was the unneeded one mi amigo.
How do you lose a rope that is attached to your body anyway? Just grab where it's connected to you and follow it out with your hand, you don't even need to see it if the thing is connected to you.
@abigmonkeyforme Oh, I thought the guide lines were connected to the divers kind of like in rock climbing so when I heard that the divers lost their lines in a silt out it made sense to me that it would be fairly simple to find the line again if the diver felt where the line was attached to them and then followed the line out from there, yeah I can see how that would be a bad Idea as it would make it easier for a diver to become entangled in the line.
A great story, but it was hard to follow at times when he kept talking about things they "would" do. Did they do something, or was it just what they were planning they would do?
Loved seeing Dive Talk in there, also wanted to mention that I’m very confused with what you said about the longest underground river being in Puerto Rico, since as far as I know and google confirms this, the longest underground river in the world is found in Mexico and the second longest is in the Philippines. Puerto Rico has the third longest underground river, not the first.
Man! Death at utah crater free Diver then this. This reminds me of another worry, locked inside a cave. A guy in bc canada got locked in one for like a couple weeks. Imagine that
What I can't figure out is how a expert with a ton of experience let panic get the best of him. He had to know he had all day to get out of any situation he got in and that Mike would have to bump into him on the way out. Makes me wonder what adversity he faced in becoming an "expert" diver.
Panic is a weird bitch... A person can spend their whole life dealing frequently with "Fight/Flight/Freeze" and never once instinctively do anything but Fight... AND then one day, the syndrome hits and they freak out or freeze right up. The problem is, when that adrenaline dump hits and your heart becomes a racing V12 pushing Nitro through your veins, you have NO choices in the matters that follow... It's instinct, and either you've trained enough that the techniques are instinctive, or they're simply not... AND if they're not, it's "freak out" time... I suspect Shane misread the hand signal, and misjudged the depth. There's probably never going to be any real telling why he went on against the dive plan... BUT if he honestly didn't realize that was where he was supposed to stop, then he was lost before Mike ran into him again or they had that "conversation"... Being lost is a good contribution toward a "freak out". Military Divers get a similar level of training on techniques and all, but it's a whole different environment for their training from Civilians... In the Civilian world (for instance) the golden rule is "Never EVER go down with a known issue." BUT in the military, equipment ALWAYS has issues... both the known ones and the unknown ones... AND you can't have a diver too chickensh*t to get in the water because his depth indicator's off by an unknown amount. It's friggin' WAR... and that can't be allowed to stop the show. Civilians repeat "Plan the dive and dive the plan." BUT Military plans turn obsolete in seconds, so they improvise ALL the time. "You make it work... or die trying." SO with just a couple differences in mindset, it might sound advantageous, but it's not always... AND then we add a dose of Panic... once that hits... BOTH mindsets are trouble. An aggressive type of person freaks out in a different way from an otherwise non-aggressive, to boot. AND the trouble with "nerves of steel" is that when they DO fail, they're a LOT harder to get back under control. It's one of the dubiously hidden or secretive factors that leads to friendly-fire incidents. Nobody likes to admit it, but just a "freak out" gets real soldiers killed more regularly than anyone would like to admit. ;o)
I’d like to know why, after completely mapping out and make a plan only for Shane to throw the plan out the door and follow where he wasn’t suppose to. Between that and the panic, which I think just about everyone that they are able to know the data on has panicked. I think it’s human nature. We think we’re and expert and know everything….but knowing and doing are two different things. I feel for Mike and I’m sorry for Shane but I realize that you can’t assume everyone will do what they’re suppose to if things turn bad.
The other day I was playing hide and seek with my kids, I hid in this weird position under my couch with my head cockeyed. I suddenly got vertigo and started to panic. IN MY LIVING ROOM. UNDER A BLANKET. I was literally in no danger. Why was I panicking? I have no idea. It was really weird. My point is that I think it is impossible to armchair quarterback this situation without being there and experiencing what Shane experienced. Remember that Shane was stuck when Mike found him. That must have done something psychologically. And once you start panicking, it is extremely difficult to stop. The question I wish we could ask is "Why did he choose to deviate from the plan?" That is what started the descent....
@@tdawnp It's worth a mention that ordinary CO2 is used by psychology professors and colleagues for studying panic and anxiety disorders. It allows them to displace Oxygen so the CO2 levels raise in a subject's blood, which induces a steady and predictable rise in anxiety to the point of a panic attack if prolonged... It's also readily available and easy enough to get rid off in case the "experiment" gets off the rails in any way. Any certified diver can also tell you that it's not a lack of Oxygen that causes the urge to breathe, but the rise in CO2... Which is also why they don't recommend rescue breathing with chest compressions UNLESS something has specifically involved the airway, like in choking or drowning... My theory is that the odd angle for your head and neck restricted blood flow enough for your brain to register a shift in CO2 that wasn't quickly remedied by breathing, and that increased anxiety until you suffered a panic episode... Some nerve pinching might have contributed, but primarily it was probably a blood flow issue. Hope that might help you, even if it only brings a certain comfort that you didn't injure yourself or anything... at least, it's not likely. A carotid can get pinched a little quite easily. ;o)
I don't know if I could dive & that's the reason right there. I'm a grappler & I don't know if I could control myself to not bash the living FUCK out of someone who just kicked up silt right in front of me. I mean they KNOW that could get EVERYBODY killed but they just did it anyways? Nope I've got to choke you now.... I'm going to kill you for that.
That’s an overly simplistic view on the situation mate. The man clearly had lots of self control as evidenced by decades of diving in dangerous places . In this instance he was faced with his own mortality and was obviously sure he was going to die in that cave so it’s very easy to lose composure, it’s also very easy for you to say he has no self control when you are in the comfort of your home watching this through a screen and in no danger whatsoever
@@scaryfascinating Thanks for being so understanding. I shouldn't be giving advice, but I can't help but notice that particular tag lines, music, and other little conventions people add to their videos every time seem to help us- the audience- warm up to the creator. For me, the music especially can add weight and authority to the content. You've got the authority, but other similar channels have the music. So, instead of moaning, I'll work on something and send it to you. Keep up the good work.
Cave diving is literally the meme of the guy putting a stick in his own bicycle tire. What is the point of putting yourself in these ridiculous situations?
Been trying to find a good reason for these 'disaster' posts maybe to justify the 'entertainment' they provide to ‘give back’ to cavers for this ‘entertainment’ More and more caves are being closed due to disasters, due to ignorance, due to so many placing ego before all like using up locals emergency equipment, 1,000s hours of emergency workers time, leaving loved ones to grieve the rest of their lives. Caving 'society' must step it up, join across countries and worlds, develop safe standards and limit cave access in conjunction with gov’t, along with collecting fees for infrastructure that sites could be set up with, depending on popularity. At the least all sites need gates. 1. Follow mountaineering rules, double pitons, belaying 2. Lay safety rope and stay clipped to it In cave diving use floating line if that enhances safety ONE SAFETY LINE MUST BE FIRMLY INSTALLED AT ALL TIMES 3. All cavers belay cavers in vertical motion 4. Lay communication cable to surface, floating again if.. 5. Lay outside compressed air line, floating again if.. 6. Lay fresh water / hot water line, floating again if.. 7. Top side team w equip to instantly call for help 8 Top team to inform cave team of weather via 15 min ck ins via communication wire laid in cave or modern 'cave texting' systems. 9. Top side base with 2 air compressors, 2 generators 12 hr fuel 10. Setup stage camps w emergency equip to stabilize, warm, feed emergency victims and trapped cavers Cave diving too setting up ‘habitats’ w air and com from surface etc. 11. Micro elec gens staged in cave w extra lights, hand cranked and compressed air run 12. Caves locked w permitted for fee access controlled by public / private (local cavers groups). 13. Required training experience and certifications and or qualified leader(s) 14. Required equipment lists and verification cavers have it 15. Any cave in loose rock or w loose rock areas that could collapse and or might flood in minutes and or that a human can't be evacuated from in stretcher or at least roped to a plank has to have passages widened using non explosive means, ie drill and expanding compounds, or be limited to highest level experienced cavers after video statement that no attempt should be made to rescue them or recover their bodies by themselves and loved ones 16. NO CAVING IF RAIN IN FORECAST, no caving if cave is a known water sink unless there is no rain forecast AND the local mirco climate does not randomly produce micro storms, ie, afternoon thunder storms 17. Rebreathers ONLY for cave diving as exhaled gasses now proven to destabilize cave roofs. 18. Cave diving - dry suits for max warmth. Heaters at least at stage areas - unclear if what was developed was a vest, a heat pack, etc. 19. Local cave society’s to document weather / preceipation accumulation in cave from ea event to develop guidelines for when weather forecast contra indicates caving. 20. Cave diving - local societies monitor cave ceilings for air pockets destabilizing rock, draining excess gasses, maybe stocking air pockets with breathable mix.
I been in a small cave at night with a buddy, being at night did not help and we went in with one light, because one stopped working, but once we got in the silt got stirred and we could not see the way we came in. Pure white in your face. I help him and indicated just stay still and see if it clears. We headed back to where we thought we came from and it was the exit and we got out. But I could feel old man panic on the back of my neck during this adventure. This was in Okinawa and we were actually Lobster Diving off my little boat at night. Get this...We were both WSSI in the Marines Water Safety Survival Instructors 🤪 So easy to lose sight of safety when your down below 🦞 🤿
Man, your channel is a real gem. You are not just another cheap "content" repeater
You clearly investigate these stories for, when available first-hand sources and IT SHOWS. Way to have integrity!
Just like you, I have heard many versions of this incident and not until I saw the interviews that Mike himself had done on Dive Talk, did I finally hear the truth bc it came straight from the source from that day..Thank you for being willing to put out the truth and acknowledgement to the DIVE TALK channel for they too wanted to set the facts straight about that day .This is one big reason I subscribed to your channel, for truth, not just a "scary story" and for the respect it gives to them and their families..❤️
Dive talk is boring. Very knowledgeable but since all their uploads are of these guys uploads. Imo makes no sense watching people watch videos I watched and seen broken down several times. I feel Dive Talk is more for ppl who don't watch these disaster videos on a regular basis or have little knowledge of diving so need excessive break downs.
@@rynoX88 I understand what your saying..I'm one of those ppl who will probably pretty sure never dive so I admit that I can never understand most of the lure about it, but on the other hand, I do respect those that do enjoy it and try to show the truth about it and share knowledge to potentially save someone's life while diving these places.. Dive Talk maybe" boring", but I would feel safer with "boring" with knowledge, than following someone who would dive me to my death "pretending" to have knowledge..I choose boring knowledge anyday...ALOT of channels are jumping on the "cave diving disasters" now, I at least want to hear these situations with truth..🙂
Dive talk is ok, Gus can be a dick though. And I dunno how someone that fat can consider themselves a good diver 🤷♂️ but Woody is awesome
@@beccad9338 ---- They're kind of like pro golfers. It's one thing to whack the ball around, hoping for not too much over par, and totally another animal altogether to tear a course apart, driving par 4 greens, making many birdies and an occasional eagle - on courses specifically designed to mess you up in many ways. I used to watch them play at Augusta National, the course with the pool-table greens. Saw one guy miss an uphill putt by just a few inches, then his ball reversed course and rolled back downslope - twenty yards all the way into a creek, like it was on glass. Plunk! I figure that's cave diving, only there ... well, it's not lightning that strikes you.
@@rynoX88 I think you're missing the point of channels like Dive Talk. While disaster channels produce great videos, their aim is to tell an engaging story rather than analyse a topic in any depth... they are looking to _entertain_ you. Channels like Dive Talk are aiming to _educate_ you... to analyse these events/videos & provide qualified insight based on their knowledge & expertise. I think you'll find many viewers of channels like Dive Talk watch them precisely _because_ they watch lots of channels like this one... a disaster video sparks your curiosity to understand the nitty-gritty detail behind the story.
Excellent job. And kudos for the Dive Talk reference. Gus and Woody are outstanding.
I get panic attacks and I think I’m having one now watching this panic ensue.
Hope you're okkk!
You did a great job with this one, I’m I was happy when I saw that you were coving this with info from dive talks video. No shame to to anyone who covered it before with wrong info as it was reported different ways.
Thanks for using Dive Talk and Mike's footage. Mike's a legend, and Woody and Gus are on their way to being so!.
There’s a big difference between a seasoned professional and somebody who’s simply done it for a long time. Sad situation but easily avoidable.
Even pros make mistakes. He knew the risks.
I dove in this hole a few weeks back the grate is still there, and it’s a pretty cool dive site.
What a sad story RIP, and a great yideo, thank you! 👍
I've only recently found this channel & have to say I'm lovin it!! Mind you, this is coming from someone who never learned to swim & hates to be in restricted spaces!!😃 I have no idea why videos on things like diving even interest me, but they do!!
Like another person commented here, no hate to anyone else who covers the subject. I believe we spend far too much time & effort bitching about what's wrong in life & not near enough time acknowledging others when they do something positive & do it right.
I find this channel presents factual information articulately & explains things in a way that someone like myself who has no experience with the subject can easily understand without further research. Thanks for sharing your knowledge & creativity with the rest of us!! I look forward to your future posts.
Great coverage of that story!
Thanks for the info. I'm a scuba instructor who has well over 100 dives in the Blue Hole. I've taken many advanced and deep specialty students to the grate and always wondered what happened to Shane. Only thing you got wrong was the temperature. The water in the Blue Hole is a constant 63 degrees year 'round, not 50.
Thanks for the info. Appreciate your insight
Sounds like Shane deviated from the plan - for whatever reason. I don't dive (snorkeling is my limit) but even I know know you do not deviate from your plan - unless, I guess, there's a life-and-death reason, an emergency, but even that should be planned out in advance. Tragic impulses.
Fight or flight. It’s hard to overcome once it’s kicked in.
@abigmonkeyforme ---- One of my fav humorous quotes is Yogi Berra's quip: "If you don't know where you're going, you better be careful, because you just might not get there."
@abigmonkeyforme --- Thank you. My dive plan is for swimming pools, no deeper than sixty inches.
I love this channel and am a happy subscriber. I have much compassion on all the people that lost there lives doing what they love. No matter the depth or height, they lived and dreams and are an inspiration to all.
Watching this video several times, I wondered about something...
The diver that passed. Being an expert, why did he deviate from the plan he and his friend laid out. If he didn't think it was a good plan, he would have never agreed would he?
@Nader's salad whiskey who the fuck are you? Jeff bezos?
Wonder if he just had the exploring itch and decided he could make it?
The tanks do not contain "normal" air and even breathing too quickly can make you a bit drowsy or drugged. That might inspire confidence and bad decision making. It sounds like the divers who survive are militant about always sticking to their plan in a very "measure twice (or more), cut once" way of planning.
This one was good. even though I already saw it I watch again
Watched it the first time and am watching it again
Cave diving would make me feel claustrophobic. Cave diving is too dangerous.
Wow! Well done!
Very few things require very detailed plans that are utterly inflexible. To panic or anything. What an odd thought.
Great vid! If I can be an editor for a moment: rather than say " He would retrieve"
"Both divers would agree"
or "the team would recieve" why not say:
"He retrieved"
"The team received a special grant"
"Both divers agreed"
Adding the "would" to past tense makes it more confusing and hard to determine whether it's talking about something that happened in near past or far off past, I suppose?
I lost my childhood friend in a motorcycle accident cpl weeks ago. As it's very sad, we also say at least he passed away doing what he loved riding his Harley, which besides his 2 baby girls that was his strong passion.
I'm so sorry for your loss! 🙏🏻😢
When people say they died doing what they loved, I'm sure those few minutes before death made them wish they had never done what they were doing that caused their death.
@@thecatatemyhomework if they're a coward like you
I am very sorry for your loss. I am here for u. I am totally alone except for a friend I met here today. Band of Brothers & sisters in Christ.
Rip Shane and God keep your family
Shane looks like a freakout artist
Mike Young one of life's badass es
Just subbed. 👍❣️
Mike actually recounts this on dive talk, wondering if it actually matches his story or the wrong story. and 3:30 you actually bring dive talk up 👍
This video was based on Mike account of the story from Dive Talk. While I could never tell it like Mike did, I tried my best
3rd.....YaY!! Hello everyone 🌧
Shout out to the rain!
💙💛🤍⛈️🌧🌧🤍💛💙
3rd the nerd w the polka dotted dress.
Why wasn't this sealed properly and why hasn't it been resealed PERMANTLY with C4 to keep people from their own stupidity?
I dived here and saw someone die
I'm no diver, but I find this type of exploration fascinating. Why are the "lines" so thin and flimsy looking? No wonder divers can't locate them when there is a silt out. Why not use actual rope or something?
Yes, it has to do with it being bulky if you have many yards of it
@abigmonkeyforme Well covered, only thing ya left off, was that they also use reels as tie offs, so they have an attatched line to their body/hand, and it takes them back to the main line.
@abigmonkeyforme geez 🙄 offended by saying you did well and only left one thing off? Cmon. It was a comment of well done. Your second comment was the unneeded one mi amigo.
How do you lose a rope that is attached to your body anyway? Just grab where it's connected to you and follow it out with your hand, you don't even need to see it if the thing is connected to you.
@abigmonkeyforme Oh, I thought the guide lines were connected to the divers kind of like in rock climbing so when I heard that the divers lost their lines in a silt out it made sense to me that it would be fairly simple to find the line again if the diver felt where the line was attached to them and then followed the line out from there, yeah I can see how that would be a bad Idea as it would make it easier for a diver to become entangled in the line.
I’m not a diver but I would love to just snorkel, in any of the caves you feature. 🇨🇦
snorkeling in a cave? i hope you mean one that never goes fully submerged otherwise you are quite literally asking to die
That's grate! 👍🐿😃
A great story, but it was hard to follow at times when he kept talking about things they "would" do. Did they do something, or was it just what they were planning they would do?
Appreciate the feedback.
The hole should have never been opened. It was already explored and claimed lives. Why revisit that sight?
Loved seeing Dive Talk in there, also wanted to mention that I’m very confused with what you said about the longest underground river being in Puerto Rico, since as far as I know and google confirms this, the longest underground river in the world is found in Mexico and the second longest is in the Philippines. Puerto Rico has the third longest underground river, not the first.
Man! Death at utah crater free Diver then this.
This reminds me of another worry, locked inside a cave.
A guy in bc canada got locked in one for like a couple weeks. Imagine that
What a terrible way to go
Yay!!!
What I can't figure out is how a expert with a ton of experience let panic get the best of him. He had to know he had all day to get out of any situation he got in and that Mike would have to bump into him on the way out. Makes me wonder what adversity he faced in becoming an "expert" diver.
Panic is a weird bitch... A person can spend their whole life dealing frequently with "Fight/Flight/Freeze" and never once instinctively do anything but Fight... AND then one day, the syndrome hits and they freak out or freeze right up. The problem is, when that adrenaline dump hits and your heart becomes a racing V12 pushing Nitro through your veins, you have NO choices in the matters that follow... It's instinct, and either you've trained enough that the techniques are instinctive, or they're simply not... AND if they're not, it's "freak out" time...
I suspect Shane misread the hand signal, and misjudged the depth. There's probably never going to be any real telling why he went on against the dive plan... BUT if he honestly didn't realize that was where he was supposed to stop, then he was lost before Mike ran into him again or they had that "conversation"... Being lost is a good contribution toward a "freak out".
Military Divers get a similar level of training on techniques and all, but it's a whole different environment for their training from Civilians... In the Civilian world (for instance) the golden rule is "Never EVER go down with a known issue." BUT in the military, equipment ALWAYS has issues... both the known ones and the unknown ones... AND you can't have a diver too chickensh*t to get in the water because his depth indicator's off by an unknown amount. It's friggin' WAR... and that can't be allowed to stop the show. Civilians repeat "Plan the dive and dive the plan." BUT Military plans turn obsolete in seconds, so they improvise ALL the time. "You make it work... or die trying."
SO with just a couple differences in mindset, it might sound advantageous, but it's not always... AND then we add a dose of Panic... once that hits... BOTH mindsets are trouble. An aggressive type of person freaks out in a different way from an otherwise non-aggressive, to boot. AND the trouble with "nerves of steel" is that when they DO fail, they're a LOT harder to get back under control. It's one of the dubiously hidden or secretive factors that leads to friendly-fire incidents. Nobody likes to admit it, but just a "freak out" gets real soldiers killed more regularly than anyone would like to admit. ;o)
I’d like to know why, after completely mapping out and make a plan only for Shane to throw the plan out the door and follow where he wasn’t suppose to. Between that and the panic, which I think just about everyone that they are able to know the data on has panicked. I think it’s human nature. We think we’re and expert and know everything….but knowing and doing are two different things. I feel for Mike and I’m sorry for Shane but I realize that you can’t assume everyone will do what they’re suppose to if things turn bad.
You think your an expert but are not. Nobody is
The other day I was playing hide and seek with my kids, I hid in this weird position under my couch with my head cockeyed. I suddenly got vertigo and started to panic. IN MY LIVING ROOM. UNDER A BLANKET. I was literally in no danger. Why was I panicking? I have no idea. It was really weird. My point is that I think it is impossible to armchair quarterback this situation without being there and experiencing what Shane experienced. Remember that Shane was stuck when Mike found him. That must have done something psychologically. And once you start panicking, it is extremely difficult to stop. The question I wish we could ask is "Why did he choose to deviate from the plan?" That is what started the descent....
@@tdawnp It's worth a mention that ordinary CO2 is used by psychology professors and colleagues for studying panic and anxiety disorders. It allows them to displace Oxygen so the CO2 levels raise in a subject's blood, which induces a steady and predictable rise in anxiety to the point of a panic attack if prolonged...
It's also readily available and easy enough to get rid off in case the "experiment" gets off the rails in any way.
Any certified diver can also tell you that it's not a lack of Oxygen that causes the urge to breathe, but the rise in CO2... Which is also why they don't recommend rescue breathing with chest compressions UNLESS something has specifically involved the airway, like in choking or drowning...
My theory is that the odd angle for your head and neck restricted blood flow enough for your brain to register a shift in CO2 that wasn't quickly remedied by breathing, and that increased anxiety until you suffered a panic episode... Some nerve pinching might have contributed, but primarily it was probably a blood flow issue.
Hope that might help you, even if it only brings a certain comfort that you didn't injure yourself or anything... at least, it's not likely. A carotid can get pinched a little quite easily. ;o)
why was this video reuploaded
The reason is in the description!
@@scaryfascinating thank you !!! I'm sorry I read it after I posted this comment but I forgot to delete it 😭
Kinda gross people have died and people still choose to play where people have lost life🥴
People who have no self control and start freaking out and kicking silt up everywhere have zero business diving!
I don't know if I could dive & that's the reason right there.
I'm a grappler & I don't know if I could control myself to not bash the living FUCK out of someone who just kicked up silt right in front of me.
I mean they KNOW that could get EVERYBODY killed but they just did it anyways? Nope I've got to choke you now.... I'm going to kill you for that.
That’s an overly simplistic view on the situation mate. The man clearly had lots of self control as evidenced by decades of diving in dangerous places . In this instance he was faced with his own mortality and was obviously sure he was going to die in that cave so it’s very easy to lose composure, it’s also very easy for you to say he has no self control when you are in the comfort of your home watching this through a screen and in no danger whatsoever
Love the channel- except for the piano music. Fnd something with a little more... menace.
Hey John! Thanks for your comment. My newer videos have no music in them since it was so distracting for many.
@@scaryfascinating Thanks for being so understanding. I shouldn't be giving advice, but I can't help but notice that particular tag lines, music, and other little conventions people add to their videos every time seem to help us- the audience- warm up to the creator. For me, the music especially can add weight and authority to the content. You've got the authority, but other similar channels have the music. So, instead of moaning, I'll work on something and send it to you. Keep up the good work.
Cave diving is literally the meme of the guy putting a stick in his own bicycle tire.
What is the point of putting yourself in these ridiculous situations?
Restriction diving is not remotely appealing to me.
I give it 30-40 years before people who assume the old farts who lived now were just inept will try again.
Humans are not good at accepting lessons learned by other people. We always insist on trying every bad idea ourselves, just to be sure.
Gus and Woody!!!!
Description but the voice In this one was too fast
1:33 They're ALWAYS elite divers.... 🙄
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Why don’t cave divers use those full mask, those seem saver..
Been trying to find a good reason for these 'disaster' posts
maybe to justify the 'entertainment' they provide
to ‘give back’ to cavers for this ‘entertainment’
More and more caves are being closed due to disasters, due to ignorance, due to so many placing ego before all like using up locals emergency equipment, 1,000s hours of emergency workers time, leaving loved ones to grieve the rest of their lives.
Caving 'society' must step it up, join across countries and worlds, develop safe standards and limit cave access in conjunction with gov’t, along with collecting fees for infrastructure that sites could be set up with, depending on popularity. At the least all sites need gates.
1. Follow mountaineering rules, double pitons, belaying
2. Lay safety rope and stay clipped to it In cave diving use floating line if that enhances safety ONE SAFETY LINE MUST BE FIRMLY INSTALLED AT ALL TIMES
3. All cavers belay cavers in vertical motion
4. Lay communication cable to surface, floating again if..
5. Lay outside compressed air line, floating again if..
6. Lay fresh water / hot water line, floating again if..
7. Top side team w equip to instantly call for help
8 Top team to inform cave team of weather via 15 min ck ins via communication wire laid in cave or modern 'cave texting' systems.
9. Top side base with 2 air compressors, 2 generators 12 hr fuel
10. Setup stage camps w emergency equip to stabilize, warm, feed emergency victims and trapped cavers Cave diving too setting up ‘habitats’ w air and com from surface etc.
11. Micro elec gens staged in cave w extra lights, hand cranked and compressed air run
12. Caves locked w permitted for fee access controlled by public / private (local cavers groups).
13. Required training experience and certifications and or qualified leader(s)
14. Required equipment lists and verification cavers have it
15. Any cave in loose rock or w loose rock areas that could collapse and or might flood in minutes and or that a human can't be evacuated from in stretcher or at least roped to a plank has to have passages widened using non explosive means, ie drill and expanding compounds, or be limited to highest level experienced cavers after video statement that no attempt should be made to rescue them or recover their bodies by themselves and loved ones
16. NO CAVING IF RAIN IN FORECAST, no caving if cave is a known water sink unless there is no rain forecast AND the local mirco climate does not randomly produce micro storms, ie, afternoon thunder storms
17. Rebreathers ONLY for cave diving as exhaled gasses now proven to destabilize cave roofs.
18. Cave diving - dry suits for max warmth. Heaters at least at stage areas - unclear if what was developed was a vest, a heat pack, etc.
19. Local cave society’s to document weather / preceipation accumulation in cave from ea event to develop guidelines for when weather forecast contra indicates caving.
20. Cave diving - local societies monitor cave ceilings for air pockets destabilizing rock, draining excess gasses, maybe stocking air pockets with breathable mix.
Stick to the plan.
Watched a lot of these "experienced" divers dying videos. Obviously they're not quite experienced enough.
Maybe don’t mention that they died right away if you want more watch time idk
I been in a small cave at night with a buddy, being at night did not help and we went in with one light, because one stopped working, but once we got in the silt got stirred and we could not see the way we came in. Pure white in your face.
I help him and indicated just stay still and see if it clears. We headed back to where we thought we came from and it was the exit and we got out. But I could feel old man panic on the back of my neck during this adventure.
This was in Okinawa and we were actually Lobster Diving off my little boat at night.
Get this...We were both WSSI in the Marines Water Safety Survival Instructors 🤪 So easy to lose sight of safety when your down below 🦞 🤿