Ok but Simon describing his child learning to crawl is the sweetest thing. It’s nice to have little reminders of normality and the good in the world in these videos.
@@tomryner5830 i had my kids 20 years apart. I feel ya lol i have a 28 year old daughter and a 8 year old autistic son who changed my life for the better ❤
Gainesville born, raised, and still here. I wasn’t around for the murders, but my parents taught me about them when I asked about the mural as a little one. The mural is on a wall that is a legal graffiti spot, and despite the chaos around it, the mural is known by everyone, knowledgeable of the killings or not, to be absolutely off limits. No one paints over it or defaces it, and it is regularly repainted to keep it bright and fresh. One of the first responding officers to the crime scenes is a close family friend. One day I got the courage to ask her if she would speak about it for a class of mine. She told me she never talks about what she saw that day, but that since then, she has always carried a weapon on her person at all times, even if it’s not apparent. The lasting effects on people in Gainesville are still talked about, but with so many people coming and going for the university, the story behind the names on the wall isn’t as well known anymore, even in town. Thank you, Simon, for telling this story to the world and honoring the people lost.
To be fair in developed countries we really don't worry about having the windows open. Unfortunately in undeveloped countries like the US that's not really a good idea.
@@RitzStarr I've had someone try to break into my house while I was home alone. I'm very, very aware of when any of my windows/doors are unlocked and am probably a little paranoid about keeping them locked at all times. That's just me though. Edit: yes, I lived in the US at the time. 😅🥲
Also, doors shouldn't be able tobe opened with a screwdriver. We have robust locks and thick doors, so I'm not afraid of someone coming through our door. Well, unless they use a chainsaw...
@@RitzStarr people in the UK chase each other with machetes. Sounds undeveloped to me😂reminds me of scenes from movies where they show warlords in places like Kenya and South America By the way, I live in Texas. It's cold af right now, so you can bet my windows are open day and night. I Love the cold. Then again, I have a mastiff that'll kill unwanted visitors if need be😂
I love that Matt is able to bring his experience with DID to a wider audience. It's often portrayed so poorly or claimed (as in this case) as a last ditch effort to avoid prison. Very devaluing to those who have DID.
This! I completely agree. I remember a while back I watched a video on one of Simon's channels (don't recall the exact video or channel) and there was a case with DID being brought up. Simon waffled a bit on whether it's real, before deciding he doesn't believe people who claim to have it. That was very disappointing from someone who usually expresses compassion for criminals displaying signs of mental illness.
@@souleaterevans4589 Well DID is incredibly rare. So rare in fact that most psychological professionals in the past decades and even TODAY only talk(ed) about it in a hypothetical sense. It does exist according to MANY (not even close to all) professionals (imho everything that is acknowledged by ICD10 has bases in reality), but you can be 99% sure, that 99% of people who claim to have are simply lying. One major argument against its existance overall is that "the idea that a personality is capable of splitting into independent alters is an unproven assertion that is at odds with research in cognitive psychology." -Joel Paris, psychiatrist specialized in Indentity disorders, Motreal Canada My personal psychiatrist for example says that DID is nothing more but a movie fad. Surprisingly (or not?) he is specialized in trauma therapy (and very good at it might i add). Really interesting concept, lots to talk about. Like Middle Earth for example.
@@gandalf_thegrey I had a psychologist who diagnosed me with it. We did a session an 'alter'. I found the session incredibly uncomfortable. I wasn't sure if the 'alter' was real or just part of me playing a long with the presumption of the psychologist. I dismissed the diagnosis as it didn't seem relevant. My current pyschologist wanted to report the previous one but she is no longer practicing. I could see how convincing someone they have DID when they don't could be incredibly destructive.
@@souleaterevans4589 the writer of that case didn't think DID was real so they brought evidence to suggest it wasn't real. Simon was just going off of that. I don't blame him too much.
@@gandalf_thegrey I tend to believe people when they say they have something, because how do we verify what's happening in another person's head? I know it's still hotly debated and there are certainly a lot of people who pretend to have psychiatric conditions, especially when they've gotten caught committing a crime.
My first year of uni, I was walking through the campus after a night at the union & headed home. Found out the next day that there'd been a murder & the body was dumped on a spot I'd passed, probably a matter of minutes before the killer was there. Freaked the living crap out of me. It's one of those universities that was build in the 1400's, so lighting was negligible in that particular area of the campus, so it's also possible I'd passed the body & not noticed it.
@cproteus yep it was in Scotland. Grim situation as it was a little boy. The killer was actually scheduled for release a few years ago, so there was a big campaign to keep him in prison which IIRC worked.
@@JanetSnakehole28 good. That’s the biggest problem with prison in Europe. The maximum sentence is like maybe twenty years. You have to push for indefinite detention. It’s hard when you’re dealing with a monster for the families to have to fight that much to protect the community.
I'm amazed you left out the bad policing. When arrested he had a cassette of him talking & writing songs. It also had his confession to the murders. It sat in evidence & no one had bothered to listen to it!
To be fair though it could easily have been a homemade mix tape with songs recorded by using a car stereo, and nobody deserves to have to listen to that.
I’m from Shreveport. He killed Julie Grissom, her dad and nephew just down the street from me. She was a few years older than me in high school. Very nice girl. I remember driving past the road she lived on that was blocked off by police and wondering what in the world was going on. You never think someone you know will die, much less in circumstances like this. The house wasn’t in a bad area. It was smack in the middle of suburbia where kids played in the streets and everyone knew everyone else. Afterwards, doors were locked, kids were brought inside to play and women talked about buying pepper spray and didn’t shop alone. It was a scary time.
@@Fractal_blip I know. It’s just we were so innocent then. We assumed things like that happened “in other places”; large cities, places with crime. It was such a shock to realize just how unsafe we really were.
I humbly disagree. We cannot hope to not repeat history without knowing what happened and why it happened. Unfortunately, we can't get to the why without becoming intimate with the perpetrator's life, world view, and mental state. At the end of the day, no matter the act a person commits, they are still human and deserve a base level of sympathy or even empathy. Most of the time it is the lacking of these things that helps to create the very person this way of thought refuses to acknowledge, at the least, as human. Remember that in a lot cases we are all but one bad decision, one particularly infuriating situation, one moment of blind anger away from becoming just like them. I will concede that the victims do need more attention and sympathy/empathy than the perpetrators and how they handle it here is phenomenal. What these people (the bad guys) do is horrible and deserves to be punished, even by death (I am pro death penalty), but they do not deserve to be stripped of their humanity or of the ability to be sympathized/empathized with, forgiven, or God forbid loved.
Just because you're abused as a child does not mean you cannot overcome it. Sure it fucked me up I'm definitely a narcissistic sociopath and I have therapy on a weekly basis. but I don't go around killing people. It's not what was done to you is how you deal with afterwards. This goes out to everyone who was abused you are worthy you can change and make the best of your life there is help out there for you Good luck everyone!
Hey, thanks for being so open about your sociopathy! While I don’t have a Personality Disorder, I hate the dehumanization people who have them face. You seem like an excellent person, so I just wanted to thank you for being brilliant, too!
I’ve had numerous surgeries and procedures throughout my life to keep me alive. People sometimes tell me not to let the trauma define me. I tell them that the trauma will define you, but you get to choose HOW it defines you.
I’m sorry you went through so much, and I’m really glad you are doing better now and able to overcome a lot of it. Your message to others is very heartwarming. There’s always this debate on whether such criminals are born/made, like the whole dark triad, and I personally believe there’s always some predisposition to violence and sadism or some sort of warped worldview from an early age, whether it’s noticed by others or not (sans the few cases of TBI causing personality changes). There are always those cases of people who lived pretty average or even ‘good’ lives and ended up terrible serial killers or mass murderer and no one expected it (a possible recent example is the recent Idaho 4 case). But it’s always so complicated and I don’t know too much about criminal psychology.
Simon, if your child has / had such trouble learning to crawl, it may be helpful to keep an eye out for dyslexia. That often expresses in small children in extra difficulties coordinating all four limbs and the torso simultaneously, such as when learning to crawl and later swim. There is nothing wrong with dyslexia, but early intervention can be a great help with school.
I was not diagnosed with Dyslexia until I was 17 and so many teacher had told me I was just not trying and failing by choice before the diagnosis and the person who finally tested me said “I don’t know how you made it through school with nobody helping you” and I don’t either. About 3 years before being tested I finally had a teacher actually sit me down and help me and I went from barely making a c to mostly b’s and even some a’s because I could finally study in a way that helped and had a teacher help we find methods to help and she stoped other teachers from forcing me to do it the way they said instead of the way I could.
@@lillylunapotter8079 I'm glad you finally got the support you need, although I wish your teachers would have worked it out much earlier. Very well done for making it that far on your own!
John Douglas, the FBI profiler, had a unique way of dealing with people who claimed to have multiple personalities: He would tell them, "Okay, we'll throw the personality that committed the crime in jail, and the rest can go free." Sondra London also makes me cringe - as a woman I can't imagine wanting a relationship with a serial killer.
Simon covered that I think it's called hybristophilia. Honestly, I don't get it either it's like, do this women not even know what these guys did and would likely do to them if given the chance.
8:50 - Chapter 1 - Grizzly gainesville 12:55 - Chapter 2 - Scream for me 16:00 - Chapter 3 - The classic red herring 23:25 - Chapter 4 - Death & revelations in shreveport 28:55 - Chapter 5 - The ghost face 37:50 - Chapter 6 - Not in my movie 44:25 - Wrap up 49:05 - Dismembered appendices
Even though I was born here in Gainesville, it wasn’t until I moved back for college a few years ago that I heard of this 🤷🏻♂️. It’s still crazy how much respect everyone still has for the Wall of Victims off 34th. Every year on the anniversary of their death, flowers are placed. No one ever dares deface the wall and if anyone does, people go out there very quickly to repair it. Amazing to see
The city gave up on the mural due to defacement and graffiti. A group of local artists actually got together and now handles the upkeep and maintenance of it. I grew up in Ocala, and used to make a point of visiting the mural every time I made the drive to G-ville.
I grew up listening to the story. I moved there when I was 9 and my stepdad told me what happened. Are the trees still there, too? There was one for every victim in the intersection median.
One of my favourite parts of CC is when the writer includes something created by a murderous individual and Simon says, “Fuck that I’m not giving him any press.” That’s how we should treat these people. Disposable cowards. Let’s celebrate the victims and lift up the survivors.
Yes! I appreciate it a lot. These people already get enough attention, we don't need to give them any more. The victims deserve the attention and we should remember them, but the monsters can just f right off.
It's becoming common, a lot of UA-camrs won't even mention the names of people like this. Definitely prefer content that celebrates the lives of victims and survivors without giving the cowards who commit the crimes the time of day. I'm also a huge fan of Simon's channels, writers and editors.
While I appreciate the sentiment, we shouldn't outright forget the offender. Rather, we should analyze and categorize them like the abhorrent specimens they are. Celebrate and honor the victims. Analyze and expose the coward.
Hey, everyone in this comment thread. Without looking it up, name all the victims from this episode. Truth is, it's a massive cope for most people who watch CC to say that they want to celebrate the victims. You wouldn't watch this stuff with anywhere near the same glee if it were not for your macabre fascination with the murders and crime. There's a reason Simon's non-murder videos get fewer views. This is not to chastise you; obviously the darkness of the human soul makes for compelling stories, but if you really wanted to celebrate the victims, you wouldn't tell these stories like this. The focus is always on the crime and the killer.
I hate it so much when criminals use a serious mental illness, that is caused by really severe childhood trauma, as an excuse for the terrible things they did. And most people with DID that I have encountered also believe in system responsibility, so even if one of your other alters commits a crime, the whole system has to take responisbility, as shitty as that is for the rest of them. People with this mental illness have it already hard enough without people pretending to have it and making them look bad.
I had family living near the Gainsville campus when this happened. I remember that this caused three states (FL, GA, AL)to completely freak out. Students from campuses across the region scooted for home as fast as they could, gun stores sold out of basically everything, etc, etc. A weird time to be 10.
I'm the same age as you, and I grew up in Ocala. Every gun store and pawn shop was basically throwing guns at residents. The whole area was freaking out.
We’re the same age. I remember walking to my music school for a piano lesson one day after my elementary school had let out. It was - literally - across the road. After crossing the street, I heard my father’s voice shouting at me, and when i turned around, i saw him turning his car into the lot I was about to enter. I assume he thought I was just going to the nearby convenience store for snacks or something and he didn’t realize I had a piano lesson, ‘cause when I got into his car, he continued shouting at me about some lunatic killing college kids and I shouldn’t be wandering about. And then he drove me the, like, 50 feet to my music school.
"I don't know anyone who's been murdered." Simon, I'm happy for you, because let me tell you as someone who's had friends and family murdered it is so horrible. Funerals are never great, but when they're for your early 20's cousin who was murdered, or for your friend's murdered husband who left behind a son not even a year old, it's brutal.
That is indeed how it works in real life. Despite all claims to the contrary, DNA is remarkably easy to make unusable if you know what you're doing. It's actually a massive pain since you can also accidentally contaminate it fairly easily when you want to run analyses, so we try to automate as much of the process as possible.
I’ve been waiting for someone to do a video on Daniel Rolling given that his rampage allegedly inspired the movie Scream. Thank you Simon, for making that a reality.
I think Mr.Ballen has covered this story before. When I started the episode it sounded really familiar. Simon and Mr. Ballen have very different styles completely, but I find they both cover stories respectively, but still entertaining.
Yeah it was loosely inspired by him. But not entirely. Williamson also was inspired by two queer killers when writing billy and Stu iirc. (Which confirms they're queer coded, but homophobes don't like that)
I went to school at UF in the late 2010s and the memorial and their names were still remembered to that day. It's an absolutely beautiful place and UF kicks ass. GO GATA 🐊
Simon seemed incredulous that it took 12 years to execute him. I was actually impressed by how quick it was! It took them 11 years to execute Bundy! Death row inmates get so many appeals, it can decades to finally execute.
I think about death quite often, too. I had a boyfriend who died when he was 30, and now that I'm getting further into my 20s I find myself wondering how long I'll get, even without monsters like those you talk about on this show, there are so many ways that humans perish, and no one ever knows how it'll go for them.
I've thought about death my entire life, but that's also partially because I have cystic fibrosis and even choices as small as "do I touch that door knob" or "do I go into this store" can have serious consequences. It was said in our community that people with CF were singularly prepared for the C-vid times because it's how we live our lives all the time. The isolation, the fear, the never knowing what choice could get you sick and end you up in hospital. That being said, I'm also always terrified of a prowler. I don't think I could even sleep if we didn't have dogs. I know they're not fool proof, but my ears are good. Theirs are better.
Dogs are excellent protection, even small ones. Also good company and comfort. I'd never sleep at night without them. I used to get night terrors so bad I'd feel paralyzed. I actually have a Golden Retriever, most of them are really carefree and friendly, but this one always positions himself so he can see me and both doors of the house whenever he's inside, or me and both approaches to the house when we're outside. He's awesome.
Trust me Simon, you can live in the best neighborhood and not keep your windows open at night. That's my current situation, during summer I'd like to leave the window open overnight but my paranoia prevents me from doing so. It's not grounded in reality, I know that, but I know I will not sleep well because part of me will be worried
I agree and sometimes living in the best neighborhoods makes you more of a target. Not only do I keep my windows closed I have alarms on every single one. I live in a very decent neighborhood but evil travels everywhere.
I was a teen in the LA area when the Night Stalker was terrorizing people. It didn't matter the neighborhood. We stopped having the windows open at night sadly.
I live in a small town that has one of the lowest crime rates in the nation. Still had things stolen off my patio and heard gunshots from a neighboring parking lot. Maybe im just in the worst part of a good town lol. But no way would I sleep with a window open.
An 80 year old couple just got murdered down here in Florida in “one of the best” gated senior living community facilities in the middle of the day @4pm by a complete stranger. Stuff like this should make you keep your shit locked 24/7
@@theConquerersMama I was nine when the Night Stalker started killing. I remember lying in bed, being terrified that every sound, every movement out in the dark outside, might be a a murderer. I don't think I'll ever feel safe leaving windows open while I sleep.
I'm about 10 minutes in and the way this episode was written has me terrified, which I don't often feel when hearing true crime stories. Excellent writing.
I've been asking for over a year for one of the writers to cover the case of my cousin, Justin Bloxom. He was 12 years old when he was abducted and murdered.
Man, I'm sorry. Simon has so many writers that I think it's kind of a shot in the dark. I know Kendall Rae sometimes does episodes when family members of victims contact them. Emma Kenny does a lot of episodes on child murder cases because of her career. I think reaching one of them to do an episode might be easier?
As someone with OSDD-1b, (sort of a less intense version of DID) I find people using this as an excuse to be abhorrent. Dissasociative disorders are not an excuse to do anything. They are part of who a person is, and should never be used as a get out of jail free card.
“This is the tale of the Gainesville Ripper.” Cue a commercial with fun music and happy whistling, my head snapped up so fast. I thought Jenn had lost it for a second 😂
I remember seeing this story on a show called "Worod's Most Evil Killers" pr something like that. At the end thry mentioned the mural honoring the dead and said that Gainesville PD goes out of their way to maintain it and *not* remove it as part of anti-Graffiti stuff. After all, it's not Graffiti, it's a tribute to lives ended far too soon.
OMG Jen makes me laugh SO hard when she speeds up Simon’s voice 😂 makes the mood a bit lighter. I do love this channel, and you guys do an excellent job. 🎉
I was worried Simon was gonna go this whole episode, about a Florida serial killer, without a single “Yee Haw.” When the killer got the death penalty though, we got the Yee Haw we’d all been waiting for and justice was finally and truly served...
Hell yeah! Two videos in a row! The first week of 2023 is mine, baby! Yeah…we got a big one here! Oh lord, this is gonna be good! Been looking forward to this one going up, so fingers crossed you enjoy it too. Hope everyone likes it, any comments or criticisms are welcomed!
Another great... if not grim episode! I'm very glad that the lady finally reported him, as who knows how many more deaths he would have committed?! Especially considering how much better he'd become after the first set!
You have an exceptionally engrossing narrative style, I usually do other things while I listen to these but I found myself pausing, simply to focus. The cold open was terrific and terrible. Also the acknowledgment of DID and those with it is a very important thing, and the people who have the disorder are, much like most with mental disorders, far more likely to be abused than to do the abusing. Especially in the case of DID which most often results from profound trauma. I don't have it specifically but I do have a dissociative disorder from complex trauma so I do on some level feel a personal relatability in that regard; anecdotally from myself and others who share similar experiences, being abused creates a vulnerability to further abuse. It's sick to see anyone take a diagnosis and try to absolve themselves with it. You always have a choice. Much like those who have schizophrenia, those with DID have their experience reduced to horror villains in movies and television, which is an image then perpetuated by these asshole criminals who claim to have it and attribute their own moral failings to it. Awful. Sorry for that rant. All in all, you've done some fantastic work. I look forward to all you'll do in the future.
Me too. It's kinda refreshing to see a non-American's take on our (often) weird-as-hell regulations lol. If Simon lived in America I think a good chunk of his reactions wouldn't be as entertaining cuz he wouldn't even be surprised. Like me for instance, a lot of the stuff he's surprised by I'm just like "yeah, sounds like another typical day in an American city tbh", all deadpan lol
Sadly, in America, while you may have guns everywhere else college campuses typically ban guns for students. While I was at college there was a shooter who came onto campus near my dorm and it defiantly made me rethink that policy.
There's also the rich rapists who the real cops can't prosecute because 'campus police' are a thing. He's very sorry and he won't do it again 27 times. "Just frat boy antics."
@Matt, brilliant writing as usual. Thank you for this, even though he didn't kill as many people as the ones usually covered, I remember this being on the news at the time, and I grew up in Canada. That's how violent the attacks were, they freaked everyone who read about them right out!
Fantastic, emotional and absolutely perfectly handled episode and case. Simon, writers, editors and so on, you smashed this one. Tough case, really tough, perfectly handled. This is why you are my favourite crew on UA-cam.
I watched youtuber MrBallen cover this case. Some things were covered in MrBallen’s channel like Rolling had a campsite in the woods just outside. In his campsite there was a tape recording where he basically recorded his crimes. The police confiscated the recording but didnt think anything of it and when they remembered the recording it said “its Danny Rolling here, im clocking off for a bit, i have some business to attend to”
3:20 oh god it's one of those where the guy takes his emotions out on people looking similar to his wife/girlfriend/crush/mother/sister/whatever else is it
My mom was actually a student at the University of Florida at this time and matched the general description of the victims so she actually took some time away from school to avoid getting murdered.
This is the one that really scares me. Of course, as a UF student, you learn all about it. The wall is repainted every year in their honor. But placing the head so it was facing the door, beyond.......
One of my high school friend's mom went to the school at the same time as the Gainesville Ripper. She fits the victim profile perfectly, a beautiful petite white girl with brown hair and brown eyes. Whenever the case was brought up, she would speak about not just her and her campus's fear but how much she wanted the murderer to die. She aided the aided my school as a judge for students who wrote their senior thesis on capital punishment with her citing this case as a reason for the death penalty.
Whew. I lasted 6 minutes and 40 seconds. I knew this descriptive narrative would give me nightmares, and I already know the story. You guys are outstanding story tellers though.
Such an interesting episode. Your comments are perfect! Speaking of schools, you might be interested in the Bath School disaster. The interesting part of this is it was in 1927. The perpetrator was Andrew Kehoe.
You should do the disaperence of Shannon Matthews and the man who kidnapped her. It is a really odd case. I remember it on the TV in England when I grew up.
Bail is being examined currently, it’s a very touchy issue because the one we have now is both abused, and functions as another privilege for the wealthy. They make bail and are free to work on their defense, while the poor are held incommunicado due to the dishonest nature of the companies providing prohibitively expensive phone services, also finally being re-examined. But. American prisons are even more crooked and dangerous than described. It is, sadly, not just us. To quote Voltaire, roughly, : “If you want to see the scum of the earth, be on hand for shift change at any prison.”.
I'm absolutely convinced that most of the guards in jails and prisons are worse, scarier people than most of those they're guarding. Cold, narcissistic, and cruel. I've known and worked with many cops who are wonderful people. And I've known and been around prison guards who were genuinely frightening. I've known actual criminals who didn't make me nearly as nervous and just creeped out as guards. AND... I've even personally seen a few of those guards commiting some of the exact same crimes that some people were in jail or prison for.
i love all your channels. I'm binge watching while trying to build up my sculpture inventory but keep getting distracted by your amazing story telling abilities. i'm posting a link to a pic if you want to see camo done right.
@@PeachM0de a bit rude. Simon’s writes are known to dig pretty deep and offer up little known information. I think that can make a case feel pretty new, especially if you don’t know much about it.
@@Saburi0504 indeed and I actually have some sympathy for Danny Rolling but only due to his childhood as for the murders he committed that's mostly all on him
I have D.I.D (Dissociative Identity Disorder). Here's the thing, it's developed in early life due to severe abuse. Here's the other thing, it's a protection to escape violence... not to cause it. Unlike criminals and Hollywood would like you to believe, we are very normal and as far as science has shown, DO NOT TURN INTO KILLERS. I hate that trope. I've a Bachelor's in zoology, been married for over 30 years, and I am a mother to three beautiful adult children. I like Scifi. I like reading, writing, kayaking, camping, swimming, and survival video games. I'm an advance NAUI diver. I worked with troubled teens, and I've volunteered at summer camps for girls. I have worked with autistic children. I just happen to have gaps in my life due to moments i share with a protector, two childlike parts, and a angry lost soul that actually only hates itself,aka me. For years I just thought I forgot things or had a person that resembled me being mistaken for me by others. It's odd how we try to explain reality when we don't understand what's going on. D.I.D. is just a mind of a child trying to protect itself by building multiple pillars of identity, instead of one. A way to for a three year old to escape something she couldn't actually run from. I'm not like everyone else, but no one truly is. We all have a story. The one thing I'm not is a criminal. I wish Hollywood would make a real movie about one of us.
Well, I’ve known three women that have been murdered in three separate incidents. One, I actually had a hand in the murder’s prosecution, and one, I got the disgusting opportunity to meet the killer. It sickened me. He served only 6 years and got out scott free
Ah, an episode I can watch! I was sad when I discovered that I couldn't watch the last episode posted. There was a bit of hesitation and confusion on my side about the last video since the title was a bit... ambiguous, you could say. You see, I can't watch, read, or consume any media that involves cannibalism (no pun intended). It just totally freaks me out, you know? Luckily, in the past, your video titles have spoiled that there was going to be cannibalism in it, so I could avoid it. The last video on that frat guy, however, did not have any kind of warning. Thankfully, I had been weary since I had a vague recollection of the case (not any of the facts, just that it had some cannibalism in it), and I read some of the comments to see if they would give any warning about it. (Thank you guys for doing so, by the way, fellow fans!) I just wanted to ask if you guys could put some kind of warning somewhere in either the title or thumbnail if the video contains cannibalism? That way no one accidentally gets triggered or scared. I would greatly appreciate it! Great job on this video, by the way! I've seen quite a lot of people covering this case lately. Rollings said that he went back to Christa Hoyt's place because he forgot something there (can't remember what it was). He saw Christa's body where he left it and just thought, "Eh, let's decapitate it." Gross thinking, huh? Really disturbing. That detail just really sticks out to me-- truly disturbing.
I have to know if Simon goes off on tangents like in the beginning of the video when talking to his wife, and I need to know if the silly bassoon music plays in her head when it happens 😂
I hate how much Simon makes me laugh during these important cases sometimes. But ‘what’s a Winn Dixie’ took me out! 😂🤣 And the did you sell the weed? No I was just smoking it. 🤣😂
Floridian here. 4th generation. Many schools even in Florida forbid guns on campus. Winn Dixie is a supermarket chain in the South. We also have a supermarket chain called Piggly Wiggly. Ok. I don't know what to say about that.😁
To answer the gun question for you, Simon and/or others from the world outside the US, university campuses don't allow guns. They're "gun free zones," and you can get in a fair amount of tribute if you have a gun on a school campus. This might be kinda changing nowadays in certain states, but most of the time it's just straight up forbidden, even when there's a spree killer on the loose. And to be fair, with how densely packed dorms often are, I'd be a bit weary of using my gun there, as I'd have a hard time being sure there's nothing downrange that I wouldn't want shot (which would make it somewhat irresponsible to shoot, not knowing what you're shooting at). It's not like a house, as there's more than likely people behind every wall (and yeah, even hollow points would go right through drywall and be quite deadly still coming out the other end, there's plenty of youtube videos showing it (like from demolition ranch), so that's not a great solution either. Also, in such code quarters unless your gun is already drawn, knife usually wins (I'll point you to mythbusters for that one)) Edit: also, in case your curious, my weapon of choice for such a situation is probably a sword, as it'll give me more reach than a knife and be quite a bit quicker at killing the person attacking me than a knife would.
Simon, Win Dixie is a (I believe now-defunct) chain of regional grocery stores. I don't know what it's like in the UK but the US has a lot of regional stuff. You won't see White Castle restaurants in the South (the South has Krystal's). Anyway, they're larger than a gas station but smaller than a Kroger or non super-center Walmart. They're kind of like Aldi's in a way.
This isn't quite accurate Nashville, TN has a white castle. My brother had not far from his first apt there. Also, Sand Destin still has 1 or 2 Winn Dixies
I started at UF one year after the murders. I remember later I went to a party in the apartments where some of the murders happened…like the unit next door. Those apartments have since torn down. There were more sketchy murders during my undergrad years, but not on the same scale. We always used to joke that Gainesville was a college town full of transient young people that existed within a ring of federal prisons and swampy wilderness. I haven’t thought about those murders in forever. This story is already feeling both horrible and oddly nostalgic.
My fiance's dad died of a heart attack at 52, zero indications it was coming. It was just a normal day for their family and he died. I've got incredible anxiety about the same thing happening to him. I absolutely get thinking about death frequently
You lot should worry a whole lot more about pulmonary embolisms after a Covid infection. I work in EMS and we're rescucitating(mostly unsuccesful) a few 20-40 y/o with pulmonary embolisms a week after they had a mild Covid infection on top of a few that are caught before it gets that dire. A PE is scary AF you feel like you're suffocating even though you can breath just fine just the oxygen transfer from your lungs into your blood doesn't work anymore and we can do very little until you get to hospital. Heartattacks are pretty common PEs not so much without a very specific history. And all First Responders are with you there we're a pretty morbid bunch in general but talking about ways to die and thinking about death in general is normal if you come in contact with it as long as you dont experience suicidal idiation or are experiencing a lot of distress because of it (nighmares, anxiety, panik attacks, internal unrest, depression) if that's the case do absolutly go to a mental health professional.
Textbook heart attack symptoms are very, very rare in my experience. I spent seven years on an ambulance and I maybe, maaaybe had two or three textbook presentations out of who knows how many. Men it’s been center chest pain that was starting to resolve on its own, heartburn-like chest discomfort etc. I’ve only had a couple women with them and I want to say those were the more common abdominal/back pain presentation but there are a lot of people that don’t know it’s different symptoms for women vs men. Not to worry you about it sneaking up on you unannounced, but to give you a heads up that there are some semi-common but not widely discussed presentations that can at times be caught if you know what to look for.
I actually do know someone that is a murdered and did meet them in College. Though to be fair the murder while still deemed murder was found to be in self defense, it happened hours after I met this person for the first time. She was the assistant to the Course Coordinator for another program who shared the office with my Course Coordinator I was working for, I was rarely in the office as I was a TA for credit to my course coordinator, and she was a full time paid admin assistant to the other course coordinator; so I only met her the one time when we were working an open house one night. The murder she was involved in happened after that open house at a stop on her way home (something like a drug deal gone wrong was all I ever found out). I wasn't in shock like "I could have been her victim" or anything like that, but I was in a little shock over the fact just hours before I had been working with her and having a great time cause she was this happy pixie of young woman that totally gave off innocent and gentle soul vibes so picturing her in such a violent situation even one where she was defending herself in the act of violence was almost impossible to mentally visualise as real and happening. The thing I remember most was my mom telling me I should leave early for school that morning because traffic was running slow due to police investigation on my regular route to school. Then pulling up the news article and reading it on the bus that it was a murder and police had found a body sometime that night. Then getting into the office to meet with the Course Coordinator who came in an hour later with the other Coordinator and 2 officers that had been taking statements from them, and finally the Coordinators telling me the assistant was involved in a violent crime nearby and thinking they meant she was the dead person found. And them explaining that she wasn't the victim they found but they were looking for her related to that victim's death and me being like "...oh..." It was an interesting couple of weeks since I knew the information from the police to the public and even to college was minimal so there were no "leaks" of information since the public was getting all the same stuff people in questioning where getting and how many rumours of pure bullshite went around. I actually over heard a student telling some friends "I heard that the TA working for the other course coordinator in that office told police she was searching how to kill someone on her laptop in the office" and standing up and having to be like "yeah that's not true at all" them then demanding how I knew that it wasn't true and me telling them "cause I am that TA and I only met her once and the police haven't even questioned me cause that'd be a pointless waste of their time." They then tried to act incredulous to my claims that I am the TA in their rumour and the rumour was 100% false bs someone just made up for attention. It was an oddly eye opening experience that if it weren't for all the rumours and gossip people were making up after the fact I would have been sort of oblivious to and disconnected from like every other bystander. There was even a short lived rumour that thankfully my coursemates and even instructors helped shut down very quickly after it started but people had started a rumour that I was the body found and she came after me because I caught her stealing from the school. Most of the time in shutting this down for some reason people felt all burden of proof was on me and/or my coursemates and instructors when we'd be like "umm I'm/he is still alive and didn't even know her that long." I had some random student I didn't know demand I show them government issued ID to prove I was who I said I was even though in the school we had to wear our Student ID like an Employee ID and there was a picture and my name on an ID hanging around my neck when I was at a school function put on by student council for all first years, RAs and TAs. 15 years later and now it makes for a fun joke when I bump into someone from my course or randomly email/message them about being "the STILL very much alive Matt."
Grand jury is great, you aren't sitting there for hours just listening to one case but just cliffe notes of a bunch of cases and the best part jurors can ask questions directly to lawyers and witnesses. yes I live in the USA.
Do you just rattle through a bunch of cases in one sitting to decide which ones go ahead to the jury trial? Sounds... Surprisingly efficient for the American justice system
@@greenockscatman I’m also from the US and have served on grand jury in my home state. I agree with Diane, much less tedious than a jury trial. The other thing I liked about it is grand jury isn’t responsible for deciding whether or not someone goes to prison, rather it’s whether or not the state has enough evidence to charge someone and send it to trial. If the grand jury decides there is enough, they indict. If not, the state can either drop the case, or go back and try to get more evidence to build a stronger case and bring before a future grand jury. Every state may have differences in how it works, but I think in most or all grand juries you’re hearing just the state’s side and witnesses. Nothing from the defense. That’s why it’s so easy to breeze the cases, it’s one-sided and they don’t have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s for the jury trial. Plus the grand jury doesn’t have to be unanimous. At least that’s the case in my state. Just 75% had to vote to indict. That could vary by state. We also got to question witnesses, and could even vote to add additional charges for indictment if something came up while reviewing the case where we thought the DA overlooked potential charges. It was a very interesting experience to serve grand jury. Although because we heard so many cases, there were some pretty traumatic ones I wish I didn’t have to hear and see the details. I have a lot of respect for people who work in law enforcement and the courts because they have to hear and see this stuff all the time. I just spent a few weeks with a small number years ago and some of that stuff still haunts me.
I’m currently right down road from Gainesville…. There’s a lot of weird and insane stories from this area… and I moved here from New Orleans… one story of Native lore involves a Vampire Witch Owl…. Yes…. Highly encourage a search on that one lol… and didn’t Bundy terrorize Florida State??? Florida is wild
New Orleans rhymes with Deloreans. New OR Lee anz… the actual correct if you’re into being correct pronunciation. As a New Orleanian I can also say there are many conditionally considerate alternative pronunciations as well. But since New Orleans rhymes with not much other than Deloreans lol New OrLEENZ in songs is allowed… no one really says nawlins though except people from Wisconsin.
"Grizzly" refers to color-- it means silvery or silver-tipped. "Grisly" is the word you want for the first chapter of your tale-- it means horrifying or disgusting.
Wow...that got dark really fast. This is where you think of worst torture possibly to fit this crime. But there is none. Even a brazen bull or releasing hungry rats over his abdomen wouldn't be satisfying enough. However I understand evil begets evil. But this rips the stoicism right out of me.
I used to wear camo pants all the time...the pants were nicely durable but also fairly lightweight. Have since moved on to Duluth Trading Company's "firehose pants"
"The average [life expectancy] is 80, which means for every person who lives to like a hundred someone's popping off in their thirties!" Excellent mathsing there, Simon, it's clear why you're the one reading the scripts ;)
Simon, I was almost stabbed at university in Oxford. This was in first couple of weeks. Just one of the new students wondering around campus late at night with a knife. He was arrested and that was that. The guy was a bit simple and probably shouldn't have been shipped off to uni to be by himself.
Dude, if you watch the first Nightmare on Elm Street now as an adult you are probably going to roast it, the special effects were so bad and so good at the same time XD But it's a classic of the horror genre and Robert Englund is great as a monster :)
I think for a budget of $1.1 million it was all handled very, very well. Jim Doyle the SFX director did amazing things with so little cash. Doyle created the now iconic knife glove that Freddy wears. Doyle and his SFX partner Lou Carlucci also built a revolving bedroom for the blood geyser scene, which is an insane undertaking on a budget that low. A fantastic film that’s so incredibly cheesy that it needs repeat viewings 😈
Ok but Simon describing his child learning to crawl is the sweetest thing. It’s nice to have little reminders of normality and the good in the world in these videos.
Right? It’s so cute how much he loves talking about his kids. You can just hear it in his voice. Especially his favourite ;)
The way his eyes light up every time is the sweetest thing
A fellow ace!
My kids are 24, 21, 18, 14 and 11. God Im Happy tiz be A While since they crawled. Love em all. Plz grow and let me have my free time darlings
@@tomryner5830 i had my kids 20 years apart. I feel ya lol i have a 28 year old daughter and a 8 year old autistic son who changed my life for the better ❤
Gainesville born, raised, and still here. I wasn’t around for the murders, but my parents taught me about them when I asked about the mural as a little one. The mural is on a wall that is a legal graffiti spot, and despite the chaos around it, the mural is known by everyone, knowledgeable of the killings or not, to be absolutely off limits. No one paints over it or defaces it, and it is regularly repainted to keep it bright and fresh.
One of the first responding officers to the crime scenes is a close family friend. One day I got the courage to ask her if she would speak about it for a class of mine. She told me she never talks about what she saw that day, but that since then, she has always carried a weapon on her person at all times, even if it’s not apparent. The lasting effects on people in Gainesville are still talked about, but with so many people coming and going for the university, the story behind the names on the wall isn’t as well known anymore, even in town. Thank you, Simon, for telling this story to the world and honoring the people lost.
Is that the i75 interchange there at the Newberry Exit? or the one that is on campus?
@@shannononeill482 the mural is on the east wall on 34th Street between archer rd and Newberry rd.
I was just about to comment about the mural. Gainesville was changed forever by the murders and we will never forget
Simon: “I am constantly afraid of dying”
Also Simon: “I always leave my windows open”
To be fair in developed countries we really don't worry about having the windows open. Unfortunately in undeveloped countries like the US that's not really a good idea.
@@RitzStarr I've had someone try to break into my house while I was home alone. I'm very, very aware of when any of my windows/doors are unlocked and am probably a little paranoid about keeping them locked at all times. That's just me though.
Edit: yes, I lived in the US at the time. 😅🥲
Also, doors shouldn't be able tobe opened with a screwdriver. We have robust locks and thick doors, so I'm not afraid of someone coming through our door. Well, unless they use a chainsaw...
@@RitzStarr people in the UK chase each other with machetes. Sounds undeveloped to me😂reminds me of scenes from movies where they show warlords in places like Kenya and South America
By the way, I live in Texas. It's cold af right now, so you can bet my windows are open day and night. I Love the cold. Then again, I have a mastiff that'll kill unwanted visitors if need be😂
😄 right though?
I love that Matt is able to bring his experience with DID to a wider audience. It's often portrayed so poorly or claimed (as in this case) as a last ditch effort to avoid prison. Very devaluing to those who have DID.
This! I completely agree. I remember a while back I watched a video on one of Simon's channels (don't recall the exact video or channel) and there was a case with DID being brought up. Simon waffled a bit on whether it's real, before deciding he doesn't believe people who claim to have it. That was very disappointing from someone who usually expresses compassion for criminals displaying signs of mental illness.
@@souleaterevans4589 Well DID is incredibly rare. So rare in fact that most psychological professionals in the past decades and even TODAY only talk(ed) about it in a hypothetical sense. It does exist according to MANY (not even close to all) professionals (imho everything that is acknowledged by ICD10 has bases in reality), but you can be 99% sure, that 99% of people who claim to have are simply lying.
One major argument against its existance overall is that "the idea that a personality is capable of splitting into independent alters is an unproven assertion that is at odds with research in cognitive psychology." -Joel Paris, psychiatrist specialized in Indentity disorders, Motreal Canada
My personal psychiatrist for example says that DID is nothing more but a movie fad. Surprisingly (or not?) he is specialized in trauma therapy (and very good at it might i add).
Really interesting concept, lots to talk about. Like Middle Earth for example.
@@gandalf_thegrey I had a psychologist who diagnosed me with it. We did a session an 'alter'. I found the session incredibly uncomfortable. I wasn't sure if the 'alter' was real or just part of me playing a long with the presumption of the psychologist. I dismissed the diagnosis as it didn't seem relevant. My current pyschologist wanted to report the previous one but she is no longer practicing. I could see how convincing someone they have DID when they don't could be incredibly destructive.
@@souleaterevans4589 the writer of that case didn't think DID was real so they brought evidence to suggest it wasn't real. Simon was just going off of that. I don't blame him too much.
@@gandalf_thegrey I tend to believe people when they say they have something, because how do we verify what's happening in another person's head? I know it's still hotly debated and there are certainly a lot of people who pretend to have psychiatric conditions, especially when they've gotten caught committing a crime.
My first year of uni, I was walking through the campus after a night at the union & headed home. Found out the next day that there'd been a murder & the body was dumped on a spot I'd passed, probably a matter of minutes before the killer was there. Freaked the living crap out of me.
It's one of those universities that was build in the 1400's, so lighting was negligible in that particular area of the campus, so it's also possible I'd passed the body & not noticed it.
That’s so scary.
Holy crow that's terrifying.
Must have been in Europe.
Murders there are even more rare. That would have freaked me out living in a relatively safe place like that too.
@cproteus yep it was in Scotland. Grim situation as it was a little boy. The killer was actually scheduled for release a few years ago, so there was a big campaign to keep him in prison which IIRC worked.
@@JanetSnakehole28 good. That’s the biggest problem with prison in Europe. The maximum sentence is like maybe twenty years. You have to push for indefinite detention. It’s hard when you’re dealing with a monster for the families to have to fight that much to protect the community.
I'm amazed you left out the bad policing. When arrested he had a cassette of him talking & writing songs. It also had his confession to the murders. It sat in evidence & no one had bothered to listen to it!
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Classic American police...
@@WolfieDawn -- Eh. After watching crimes from around the world, I think it's just cops in general.
@@loritracy1385exactly, the Met police in the UK regularly do way worse than not listening to a tape
To be fair though it could easily have been a homemade mix tape with songs recorded by using a car stereo, and nobody deserves to have to listen to that.
I’m from Shreveport. He killed Julie Grissom, her dad and nephew just down the street from me. She was a few years older than me in high school. Very nice girl.
I remember driving past the road she lived on that was blocked off by police and wondering what in the world was going on. You never think someone you know will die, much less in circumstances like this.
The house wasn’t in a bad area. It was smack in the middle of suburbia where kids played in the streets and everyone knew everyone else. Afterwards, doors were locked, kids were brought inside to play and women talked about buying pepper spray and didn’t shop alone. It was a scary time.
Of course the location has less to do with it in this circumstance imo
That's kinda heavy
I'm from Shreveport! Well I lived in Greenwood but from Stonewall.
So exciting to find another person from Shreveport.
@@Fractal_blip I know. It’s just we were so innocent then. We assumed things like that happened “in other places”; large cities, places with crime. It was such a shock to realize just how unsafe we really were.
@@jrmckim Small world!
I LOVE how Simon doesn't give the killers the light of day, beyond the story.
I humbly disagree. We cannot hope to not repeat history without knowing what happened and why it happened. Unfortunately, we can't get to the why without becoming intimate with the perpetrator's life, world view, and mental state. At the end of the day, no matter the act a person commits, they are still human and deserve a base level of sympathy or even empathy. Most of the time it is the lacking of these things that helps to create the very person this way of thought refuses to acknowledge, at the least, as human. Remember that in a lot cases we are all but one bad decision, one particularly infuriating situation, one moment of blind anger away from becoming just like them. I will concede that the victims do need more attention and sympathy/empathy than the perpetrators and how they handle it here is phenomenal. What these people (the bad guys) do is horrible and deserves to be punished, even by death (I am pro death penalty), but they do not deserve to be stripped of their humanity or of the ability to be sympathized/empathized with, forgiven, or God forbid loved.
Just because you're abused as a child does not mean you cannot overcome it. Sure it fucked me up I'm definitely a narcissistic sociopath and I have therapy on a weekly basis. but I don't go around killing people. It's not what was done to you is how you deal with afterwards. This goes out to everyone who was abused you are worthy you can change and make the best of your life there is help out there for you Good luck everyone!
Hey, thanks for being so open about your sociopathy! While I don’t have a Personality Disorder, I hate the dehumanization people who have them face. You seem like an excellent person, so I just wanted to thank you for being brilliant, too!
Completely agree.
You can be a victim forever or a survivor.
I choose to survive.
I’ve had numerous surgeries and procedures throughout my life to keep me alive. People sometimes tell me not to let the trauma define me. I tell them that the trauma will define you, but you get to choose HOW it defines you.
Have you considered killing your abuser (s)? And why not?
I’m sorry you went through so much, and I’m really glad you are doing better now and able to overcome a lot of it. Your message to others is very heartwarming.
There’s always this debate on whether such criminals are born/made, like the whole dark triad, and I personally believe there’s always some predisposition to violence and sadism or some sort of warped worldview from an early age, whether it’s noticed by others or not (sans the few cases of TBI causing personality changes). There are always those cases of people who lived pretty average or even ‘good’ lives and ended up terrible serial killers or mass murderer and no one expected it (a possible recent example is the recent Idaho 4 case). But it’s always so complicated and I don’t know too much about criminal psychology.
Simon, if your child has / had such trouble learning to crawl, it may be helpful to keep an eye out for dyslexia. That often expresses in small children in extra difficulties coordinating all four limbs and the torso simultaneously, such as when learning to crawl and later swim. There is nothing wrong with dyslexia, but early intervention can be a great help with school.
I was not diagnosed with Dyslexia until I was 17 and so many teacher had told me I was just not trying and failing by choice before the diagnosis and the person who finally tested me said “I don’t know how you made it through school with nobody helping you” and I don’t either. About 3 years before being tested I finally had a teacher actually sit me down and help me and I went from barely making a c to mostly b’s and even some a’s because I could finally study in a way that helped and had a teacher help we find methods to help and she stoped other teachers from forcing me to do it the way they said instead of the way I could.
LOL remembering my dyslexickish son crawling with one leg up and one leg down, his PT crawling behind him putting down whichever leg was up.
@@Cec9e13 that sounds so cute! 😅
@@lillylunapotter8079 I'm glad you finally got the support you need, although I wish your teachers would have worked it out much earlier. Very well done for making it that far on your own!
@@JootjeJ he, especially, thought it was hilarious LOL. Grownups are just so picky about how you do stuff when your only goal is Catch the Kitty.
John Douglas, the FBI profiler, had a unique way of dealing with people who claimed to have multiple personalities: He would tell them, "Okay, we'll throw the personality that committed the crime in jail, and the rest can go free." Sondra London also makes me cringe - as a woman I can't imagine wanting a relationship with a serial killer.
Simon covered that I think it's called hybristophilia. Honestly, I don't get it either it's like, do this women not even know what these guys did and would likely do to them if given the chance.
People on TikTok these days yearn for school shooters and others it still happens
@@kat8753 maybe it's a self-destruction fantasy
8:50 - Chapter 1 - Grizzly gainesville
12:55 - Chapter 2 - Scream for me
16:00 - Chapter 3 - The classic red herring
23:25 - Chapter 4 - Death & revelations in shreveport
28:55 - Chapter 5 - The ghost face
37:50 - Chapter 6 - Not in my movie
44:25 - Wrap up
49:05 - Dismembered appendices
Legend!
@@MGscribe Still waiting for my shouthout like the one is the Stockholm episode by Arnaldo(roughly at 53:45)
Cheers bud!!!
@@ignitionfrn2223 I’ll get on that!
Simon's kids are going to love him for all the embarrassing baby stories when they grow up 👶🏻💞
Tbf, only people who know Simon personally will know who the story applies to.
I cant wait til we hear theyre calling him "fact boy" 😂
Better yet, they get to know he's shared all the baby stories with all of us.
Simon is careful with the details they will be insecure maybe as teenagers but otherwise they should understand
Simon is a legend.
Even though I was born here in Gainesville, it wasn’t until I moved back for college a few years ago that I heard of this 🤷🏻♂️. It’s still crazy how much respect everyone still has for the Wall of Victims off 34th. Every year on the anniversary of their death, flowers are placed. No one ever dares deface the wall and if anyone does, people go out there very quickly to repair it. Amazing to see
The city gave up on the mural due to defacement and graffiti. A group of local artists actually got together and now handles the upkeep and maintenance of it. I grew up in Ocala, and used to make a point of visiting the mural every time I made the drive to G-ville.
I grew up listening to the story. I moved there when I was 9 and my stepdad told me what happened. Are the trees still there, too? There was one for every victim in the intersection median.
@@tootsieluv007 The last time I was up that way, they were. I'm sure residents would have an outright riot if the city removed them.
Yeah, they’re still here
Gainesville born and raised its amazing how ppl care so much about up keeping the memorial
One of my favourite parts of CC is when the writer includes something created by a murderous individual and Simon says, “Fuck that I’m not giving him any press.”
That’s how we should treat these people. Disposable cowards. Let’s celebrate the victims and lift up the survivors.
Yes! I appreciate it a lot. These people already get enough attention, we don't need to give them any more. The victims deserve the attention and we should remember them, but the monsters can just f right off.
Simon is a legend. Not the Hitler kind
It's becoming common, a lot of UA-camrs won't even mention the names of people like this.
Definitely prefer content that celebrates the lives of victims and survivors without giving the cowards who commit the crimes the time of day.
I'm also a huge fan of Simon's channels, writers and editors.
While I appreciate the sentiment, we shouldn't outright forget the offender. Rather, we should analyze and categorize them like the abhorrent specimens they are. Celebrate and honor the victims. Analyze and expose the coward.
Hey, everyone in this comment thread. Without looking it up, name all the victims from this episode.
Truth is, it's a massive cope for most people who watch CC to say that they want to celebrate the victims. You wouldn't watch this stuff with anywhere near the same glee if it were not for your macabre fascination with the murders and crime. There's a reason Simon's non-murder videos get fewer views.
This is not to chastise you; obviously the darkness of the human soul makes for compelling stories, but if you really wanted to celebrate the victims, you wouldn't tell these stories like this. The focus is always on the crime and the killer.
my mom was a student at UF when these killings happened and was friends with Manny. i hope he and all the other victims are resting easy
I hate it so much when criminals use a serious mental illness, that is caused by really severe childhood trauma, as an excuse for the terrible things they did. And most people with DID that I have encountered also believe in system responsibility, so even if one of your other alters commits a crime, the whole system has to take responisbility, as shitty as that is for the rest of them. People with this mental illness have it already hard enough without people pretending to have it and making them look bad.
I had family living near the Gainsville campus when this happened. I remember that this caused three states (FL, GA, AL)to completely freak out. Students from campuses across the region scooted for home as fast as they could, gun stores sold out of basically everything, etc, etc. A weird time to be 10.
I'm the same age as you, and I grew up in Ocala. Every gun store and pawn shop was basically throwing guns at residents. The whole area was freaking out.
A serial killer popping up must be really good for gun store owners
We’re the same age. I remember walking to my music school for a piano lesson one day after my elementary school had let out. It was - literally - across the road. After crossing the street, I heard my father’s voice shouting at me, and when i turned around, i saw him turning his car into the lot I was about to enter. I assume he thought I was just going to the nearby convenience store for snacks or something and he didn’t realize I had a piano lesson, ‘cause when I got into his car, he continued shouting at me about some lunatic killing college kids and I shouldn’t be wandering about. And then he drove me the, like, 50 feet to my music school.
Same, I was 6...
A great time to be a member of the NRA
"I don't know anyone who's been murdered."
Simon, I'm happy for you, because let me tell you as someone who's had friends and family murdered it is so horrible. Funerals are never great, but when they're for your early 20's cousin who was murdered, or for your friend's murdered husband who left behind a son not even a year old, it's brutal.
Heartbreaking...I'm so sorry.
That is indeed how it works in real life. Despite all claims to the contrary, DNA is remarkably easy to make unusable if you know what you're doing.
It's actually a massive pain since you can also accidentally contaminate it fairly easily when you want to run analyses, so we try to automate as much of the process as possible.
I’ve been waiting for someone to do a video on Daniel Rolling given that his rampage allegedly inspired the movie Scream. Thank you Simon, for making that a reality.
Lol same been waiting for this one 😂😂
I think Mr.Ballen has covered this story before. When I started the episode it sounded really familiar. Simon and Mr. Ballen have very different styles completely, but I find they both cover stories respectively, but still entertaining.
Yeah it was loosely inspired by him. But not entirely. Williamson also was inspired by two queer killers when writing billy and Stu iirc. (Which confirms they're queer coded, but homophobes don't like that)
I love how Simon has these one sided conversations with the writers! I’m not sure if I come for the amazing way you tell stories or the side tangents.
I went to school at UF in the late 2010s and the memorial and their names were still remembered to that day. It's an absolutely beautiful place and UF kicks ass. GO GATA 🐊
Simon seemed incredulous that it took 12 years to execute him. I was actually impressed by how quick it was! It took them 11 years to execute Bundy! Death row inmates get so many appeals, it can decades to finally execute.
I think about death quite often, too. I had a boyfriend who died when he was 30, and now that I'm getting further into my 20s I find myself wondering how long I'll get, even without monsters like those you talk about on this show, there are so many ways that humans perish, and no one ever knows how it'll go for them.
I've thought about death my entire life, but that's also partially because I have cystic fibrosis and even choices as small as "do I touch that door knob" or "do I go into this store" can have serious consequences. It was said in our community that people with CF were singularly prepared for the C-vid times because it's how we live our lives all the time. The isolation, the fear, the never knowing what choice could get you sick and end you up in hospital. That being said, I'm also always terrified of a prowler. I don't think I could even sleep if we didn't have dogs. I know they're not fool proof, but my ears are good. Theirs are better.
Dogs are excellent protection, even small ones. Also good company and comfort. I'd never sleep at night without them. I used to get night terrors so bad I'd feel paralyzed. I actually have a Golden Retriever, most of them are really carefree and friendly, but this one always positions himself so he can see me and both doors of the house whenever he's inside, or me and both approaches to the house when we're outside. He's awesome.
Trust me Simon, you can live in the best neighborhood and not keep your windows open at night. That's my current situation, during summer I'd like to leave the window open overnight but my paranoia prevents me from doing so. It's not grounded in reality, I know that, but I know I will not sleep well because part of me will be worried
I agree and sometimes living in the best neighborhoods makes you more of a target. Not only do I keep my windows closed I have alarms on every single one. I live in a very decent neighborhood but evil travels everywhere.
I was a teen in the LA area when the Night Stalker was terrorizing people. It didn't matter the neighborhood.
We stopped having the windows open at night sadly.
I live in a small town that has one of the lowest crime rates in the nation. Still had things stolen off my patio and heard gunshots from a neighboring parking lot. Maybe im just in the worst part of a good town lol. But no way would I sleep with a window open.
An 80 year old couple just got murdered down here in Florida in “one of the best” gated senior living community facilities in the middle of the day @4pm by a complete stranger.
Stuff like this should make you keep your shit locked 24/7
@@theConquerersMama I was nine when the Night Stalker started killing. I remember lying in bed, being terrified that every sound, every movement out in the dark outside, might be a a murderer. I don't think I'll ever feel safe leaving windows open while I sleep.
I'm about 10 minutes in and the way this episode was written has me terrified, which I don't often feel when hearing true crime stories. Excellent writing.
I've been asking for over a year for one of the writers to cover the case of my cousin, Justin Bloxom. He was 12 years old when he was abducted and murdered.
Man, I'm sorry. Simon has so many writers that I think it's kind of a shot in the dark. I know Kendall Rae sometimes does episodes when family members of victims contact them. Emma Kenny does a lot of episodes on child murder cases because of her career. I think reaching one of them to do an episode might be easier?
How awful...I'm so sorry.
As someone with OSDD-1b, (sort of a less intense version of DID) I find people using this as an excuse to be abhorrent.
Dissasociative disorders are not an excuse to do anything. They are part of who a person is, and should never be used as a get out of jail free card.
“This is the tale of the Gainesville Ripper.” Cue a commercial with fun music and happy whistling, my head snapped up so fast. I thought Jenn had lost it for a second 😂
I remember seeing this story on a show called "Worod's Most Evil Killers" pr something like that. At the end thry mentioned the mural honoring the dead and said that Gainesville PD goes out of their way to maintain it and *not* remove it as part of anti-Graffiti stuff. After all, it's not Graffiti, it's a tribute to lives ended far too soon.
Simon, watching you come over to the side of law & order when it comes to executing multiple murders has added a unique dimension to the podcast.
You're gonna have to work on it Matt. It took 2+minutes to get a tangent out of Simon. One minute or less is the benchmark. Cheers from Tennessee
I'm happy Simon covered this case because all I've ever know about this case was "cousin Eddie" was accused. It's nice to finally know the details.
Your best yet Simon. Thank you for your candid asides. It beats anything on TV, well done!
I can't believe I missed the episode hints. Nice work.
OMG Jen makes me laugh SO hard when she speeds up Simon’s voice 😂 makes the mood a bit lighter. I do love this channel, and you guys do an excellent job. 🎉
Jen is Legendary!
I was worried Simon was gonna go this whole episode, about a Florida serial killer, without a single “Yee Haw.” When the killer got the death penalty though, we got the Yee Haw we’d all been waiting for and justice was finally and truly served...
Factboi back with another episode of Crimin' with Simon
Hell yeah! Two videos in a row! The first week of 2023 is mine, baby!
Yeah…we got a big one here! Oh lord, this is gonna be good! Been looking forward to this one going up, so fingers crossed you enjoy it too.
Hope everyone likes it, any comments or criticisms are welcomed!
Gotta admit, you are one of my more favored writers on this channel. Looking forward to this one. Thanks Matt
Well done, Matt.
another brilliant episode 🎉
Another great... if not grim episode! I'm very glad that the lady finally reported him, as who knows how many more deaths he would have committed?! Especially considering how much better he'd become after the first set!
You have an exceptionally engrossing narrative style, I usually do other things while I listen to these but I found myself pausing, simply to focus. The cold open was terrific and terrible.
Also the acknowledgment of DID and those with it is a very important thing, and the people who have the disorder are, much like most with mental disorders, far more likely to be abused than to do the abusing. Especially in the case of DID which most often results from profound trauma. I don't have it specifically but I do have a dissociative disorder from complex trauma so I do on some level feel a personal relatability in that regard; anecdotally from myself and others who share similar experiences, being abused creates a vulnerability to further abuse. It's sick to see anyone take a diagnosis and try to absolve themselves with it. You always have a choice. Much like those who have schizophrenia, those with DID have their experience reduced to horror villains in movies and television, which is an image then perpetuated by these asshole criminals who claim to have it and attribute their own moral failings to it. Awful.
Sorry for that rant. All in all, you've done some fantastic work. I look forward to all you'll do in the future.
I love his reaction to any sort of police or court proceedings
Me too. It's kinda refreshing to see a non-American's take on our (often) weird-as-hell regulations lol. If Simon lived in America I think a good chunk of his reactions wouldn't be as entertaining cuz he wouldn't even be surprised. Like me for instance, a lot of the stuff he's surprised by I'm just like "yeah, sounds like another typical day in an American city tbh", all deadpan lol
Sadly, in America, while you may have guns everywhere else college campuses typically ban guns for students. While I was at college there was a shooter who came onto campus near my dorm and it defiantly made me rethink that policy.
There's also the rich rapists who the real cops can't prosecute because 'campus police' are a thing.
He's very sorry and he won't do it again 27 times. "Just frat boy antics."
@@JoshSweetvale really! Campus police can be a total joke
“You might wait a week before committing a double murder” shouldn’t have made me laugh, and yet here I am. 😭😂
Winn-Dixie is a grocery store chain throughout the south. I just love all your channels and watch as much as I can, so informative.
@Matt, brilliant writing as usual. Thank you for this, even though he didn't kill as many people as the ones usually covered, I remember this being on the news at the time, and I grew up in Canada. That's how violent the attacks were, they freaked everyone who read about them right out!
Fantastic, emotional and absolutely perfectly handled episode and case. Simon, writers, editors and so on, you smashed this one. Tough case, really tough, perfectly handled. This is why you are my favourite crew on UA-cam.
I watched youtuber MrBallen cover this case. Some things were covered in MrBallen’s channel like Rolling had a campsite in the woods just outside. In his campsite there was a tape recording where he basically recorded his crimes. The police confiscated the recording but didnt think anything of it and when they remembered the recording it said “its Danny Rolling here, im clocking off for a bit, i have some business to attend to”
I've listened to the song. He might have made it as a musician if he hadn't gone into killing first.
"Did I just call Hitler a legend? There goes my UA-cam monetization" had me rolling
3:20 oh god it's one of those where the guy takes his emotions out on people looking similar to his wife/girlfriend/crush/mother/sister/whatever else is it
What difference does it make?
My mom was actually a student at the University of Florida at this time and matched the general description of the victims so she actually took some time away from school to avoid getting murdered.
4:15 it’s often a useful thing to ponder on death, especially if you haven’t had direct experience of loosing someone.
I was literally just looking for another Casual Criminal episode. Perfect timing!
Same. Was just getting ready to jump on the 12hr stream but we've got new stuff instead.
This is the one that really scares me. Of course, as a UF student, you learn all about it. The wall is repainted every year in their honor. But placing the head so it was facing the door, beyond.......
One of my high school friend's mom went to the school at the same time as the Gainesville Ripper. She fits the victim profile perfectly, a beautiful petite white girl with brown hair and brown eyes.
Whenever the case was brought up, she would speak about not just her and her campus's fear but how much she wanted the murderer to die. She aided the aided my school as a judge for students who wrote their senior thesis on capital punishment with her citing this case as a reason for the death penalty.
This is an incredibly sad story. I feel for all of the victims and their families.
Whew. I lasted 6 minutes and 40 seconds. I knew this descriptive narrative would give me nightmares, and I already know the story.
You guys are outstanding story tellers though.
Such an interesting episode. Your comments are perfect!
Speaking of schools, you might be interested in the Bath School disaster. The interesting part of this is it was in 1927. The perpetrator was Andrew Kehoe.
Are you a Michigander, by chance?
I live in a small town near Lansing 😊
The Bath School disaster would be a good one to cover
No, but my Aunt married and lived in a Ohio after WWII was over.
Matt, another awesome script writing job! Your little hints were very clever.
Anti-legend status: the word you're looking for is "Notorious"
😶Yo! Running with "Inlegendary"!🤯 Beautifully done!!
You should do the disaperence of Shannon Matthews and the man who kidnapped her. It is a really odd case. I remember it on the TV in England when I grew up.
Bail is being examined currently, it’s a very touchy issue because the one we have now is both abused, and functions as another privilege for the wealthy. They make bail and are free to work on their defense, while the poor are held incommunicado due to the dishonest nature of the companies providing prohibitively expensive phone services, also finally being re-examined.
But. American prisons are even more crooked and dangerous than described.
It is, sadly, not just us. To quote Voltaire, roughly, :
“If you want to see the scum of the earth, be on hand for shift change at any prison.”.
Hear hear.
I'm absolutely convinced that most of the guards in jails and prisons are worse, scarier people than most of those they're guarding. Cold, narcissistic, and cruel.
I've known and worked with many cops who are wonderful people. And I've known and been around prison guards who were genuinely frightening. I've known actual criminals who didn't make me nearly as nervous and just creeped out as guards. AND... I've even personally seen a few of those guards commiting some of the exact same crimes that some people were in jail or prison for.
@@michaelhendricks9462 did two years in the 70’s. U R Correct Sir.
I got goosebumps at the Scream fact at the end. Nice build up to that!
i love all your channels. I'm binge watching while trying to build up my sculpture inventory but keep getting distracted by your amazing story telling abilities. i'm posting a link to a pic if you want to see camo done right.
I don’t tear up with these usually, but the speech at the end really did it for me this time
Danny Rolling the man who served as the inspiration for the Scream franchise
If you already know his name, you know the case. A different voice telling it does t make it “new”.
@@PeachM0de before watching this I was only vaguely familiar with the basic details of the case not the full story
@@PeachM0de what the fuck is your point lil fella?
@@PeachM0de a bit rude. Simon’s writes are known to dig pretty deep and offer up little known information. I think that can make a case feel pretty new, especially if you don’t know much about it.
@@Saburi0504 indeed and I actually have some sympathy for Danny Rolling but only due to his childhood as for the murders he committed that's mostly all on him
I have D.I.D (Dissociative Identity Disorder). Here's the thing, it's developed in early life due to severe abuse. Here's the other thing, it's a protection to escape violence... not to cause it. Unlike criminals and Hollywood would like you to believe, we are very normal and as far as science has shown, DO NOT TURN INTO KILLERS. I hate that trope. I've a Bachelor's in zoology, been married for over 30 years, and I am a mother to three beautiful adult children. I like Scifi. I like reading, writing, kayaking, camping, swimming, and survival video games. I'm an advance NAUI diver. I worked with troubled teens, and I've volunteered at summer camps for girls. I have worked with autistic children. I just happen to have gaps in my life due to moments i share with a protector, two childlike parts, and a angry lost soul that actually only hates itself,aka me. For years I just thought I forgot things or had a person that resembled me being mistaken for me by others. It's odd how we try to explain reality when we don't understand what's going on. D.I.D. is just a mind of a child trying to protect itself by building multiple pillars of identity, instead of one. A way to for a three year old to escape something she couldn't actually run from. I'm not like everyone else, but no one truly is. We all have a story. The one thing I'm not is a criminal. I wish Hollywood would make a real movie about one of us.
Well, I’ve known three women that have been murdered in three separate incidents. One, I actually had a hand in the murder’s prosecution, and one, I got the disgusting opportunity to meet the killer. It sickened me. He served only 6 years and got out scott free
sometimes when I am really struggling to sleep I know I can come to Simon for a good nights rest
I love how chaotic the first few minutes is - who did I call a legend? Oh dear… 😂
Good video! Keep at it! Miss those three hour videos
Simon, you need to see the Original Nightmare On Elm St. it’s a classic!
Ah, an episode I can watch! I was sad when I discovered that I couldn't watch the last episode posted. There was a bit of hesitation and confusion on my side about the last video since the title was a bit... ambiguous, you could say. You see, I can't watch, read, or consume any media that involves cannibalism (no pun intended). It just totally freaks me out, you know? Luckily, in the past, your video titles have spoiled that there was going to be cannibalism in it, so I could avoid it. The last video on that frat guy, however, did not have any kind of warning. Thankfully, I had been weary since I had a vague recollection of the case (not any of the facts, just that it had some cannibalism in it), and I read some of the comments to see if they would give any warning about it. (Thank you guys for doing so, by the way, fellow fans!)
I just wanted to ask if you guys could put some kind of warning somewhere in either the title or thumbnail if the video contains cannibalism? That way no one accidentally gets triggered or scared. I would greatly appreciate it!
Great job on this video, by the way! I've seen quite a lot of people covering this case lately. Rollings said that he went back to Christa Hoyt's place because he forgot something there (can't remember what it was). He saw Christa's body where he left it and just thought, "Eh, let's decapitate it." Gross thinking, huh? Really disturbing. That detail just really sticks out to me-- truly disturbing.
I have to know if Simon goes off on tangents like in the beginning of the video when talking to his wife, and I need to know if the silly bassoon music plays in her head when it happens 😂
i love simons live critiques and comments about the script
Simon: “Does he deserve to be murdered?”
Me, with confidence: “Yes.”
Simon: “No.”
Me: 🤨
I hate how much Simon makes me laugh during these important cases sometimes. But ‘what’s a Winn Dixie’ took me out! 😂🤣
And the did you sell the weed? No I was just smoking it. 🤣😂
Floridian here. 4th generation. Many schools even in Florida forbid guns on campus.
Winn Dixie is a supermarket chain in the South. We also have a supermarket chain called Piggly Wiggly. Ok. I don't know what to say about that.😁
To answer the gun question for you, Simon and/or others from the world outside the US, university campuses don't allow guns. They're "gun free zones," and you can get in a fair amount of tribute if you have a gun on a school campus. This might be kinda changing nowadays in certain states, but most of the time it's just straight up forbidden, even when there's a spree killer on the loose.
And to be fair, with how densely packed dorms often are, I'd be a bit weary of using my gun there, as I'd have a hard time being sure there's nothing downrange that I wouldn't want shot (which would make it somewhat irresponsible to shoot, not knowing what you're shooting at). It's not like a house, as there's more than likely people behind every wall (and yeah, even hollow points would go right through drywall and be quite deadly still coming out the other end, there's plenty of youtube videos showing it (like from demolition ranch), so that's not a great solution either. Also, in such code quarters unless your gun is already drawn, knife usually wins (I'll point you to mythbusters for that one))
Edit: also, in case your curious, my weapon of choice for such a situation is probably a sword, as it'll give me more reach than a knife and be quite a bit quicker at killing the person attacking me than a knife would.
Simon, Win Dixie is a (I believe now-defunct) chain of regional grocery stores. I don't know what it's like in the UK but the US has a lot of regional stuff. You won't see White Castle restaurants in the South (the South has Krystal's). Anyway, they're larger than a gas station but smaller than a Kroger or non super-center Walmart. They're kind of like Aldi's in a way.
There are still over 500 Winn-Dixies in the South.
Winn Dixie is all over the south and they aren't small... Way bigger than Aldi.
@@Revan2908 Cool, all the ones near me closed over twenty years ago. That's why I thought they were defunct.
This isn't quite accurate
Nashville, TN has a white castle. My brother had not far from his first apt there.
Also, Sand Destin still has 1 or 2 Winn Dixies
I started at UF one year after the murders. I remember later I went to a party in the apartments where some of the murders happened…like the unit next door. Those apartments have since torn down.
There were more sketchy murders during my undergrad years, but not on the same scale. We always used to joke that Gainesville was a college town full of transient young people that existed within a ring of federal prisons and swampy wilderness.
I haven’t thought about those murders in forever. This story is already feeling both horrible and oddly nostalgic.
My fiance's dad died of a heart attack at 52, zero indications it was coming. It was just a normal day for their family and he died. I've got incredible anxiety about the same thing happening to him. I absolutely get thinking about death frequently
Was this pre or post COVID vax
@@GamingNinja132 my thoughts exactly
@@GamingNinja132 my dad died just like this in 2001 🙄
You lot should worry a whole lot more about pulmonary embolisms after a Covid infection. I work in EMS and we're rescucitating(mostly unsuccesful) a few 20-40 y/o with pulmonary embolisms a week after they had a mild Covid infection on top of a few that are caught before it gets that dire. A PE is scary AF you feel like you're suffocating even though you can breath just fine just the oxygen transfer from your lungs into your blood doesn't work anymore and we can do very little until you get to hospital. Heartattacks are pretty common PEs not so much without a very specific history.
And all First Responders are with you there we're a pretty morbid bunch in general but talking about ways to die and thinking about death in general is normal if you come in contact with it as long as you dont experience suicidal idiation or are experiencing a lot of distress because of it (nighmares, anxiety, panik attacks, internal unrest, depression) if that's the case do absolutly go to a mental health professional.
Textbook heart attack symptoms are very, very rare in my experience. I spent seven years on an ambulance and I maybe, maaaybe had two or three textbook presentations out of who knows how many. Men it’s been center chest pain that was starting to resolve on its own, heartburn-like chest discomfort etc. I’ve only had a couple women with them and I want to say those were the more common abdominal/back pain presentation but there are a lot of people that don’t know it’s different symptoms for women vs men. Not to worry you about it sneaking up on you unannounced, but to give you a heads up that there are some semi-common but not widely discussed presentations that can at times be caught if you know what to look for.
I actually do know someone that is a murdered and did meet them in College. Though to be fair the murder while still deemed murder was found to be in self defense, it happened hours after I met this person for the first time. She was the assistant to the Course Coordinator for another program who shared the office with my Course Coordinator I was working for, I was rarely in the office as I was a TA for credit to my course coordinator, and she was a full time paid admin assistant to the other course coordinator; so I only met her the one time when we were working an open house one night. The murder she was involved in happened after that open house at a stop on her way home (something like a drug deal gone wrong was all I ever found out). I wasn't in shock like "I could have been her victim" or anything like that, but I was in a little shock over the fact just hours before I had been working with her and having a great time cause she was this happy pixie of young woman that totally gave off innocent and gentle soul vibes so picturing her in such a violent situation even one where she was defending herself in the act of violence was almost impossible to mentally visualise as real and happening.
The thing I remember most was my mom telling me I should leave early for school that morning because traffic was running slow due to police investigation on my regular route to school. Then pulling up the news article and reading it on the bus that it was a murder and police had found a body sometime that night. Then getting into the office to meet with the Course Coordinator who came in an hour later with the other Coordinator and 2 officers that had been taking statements from them, and finally the Coordinators telling me the assistant was involved in a violent crime nearby and thinking they meant she was the dead person found. And them explaining that she wasn't the victim they found but they were looking for her related to that victim's death and me being like "...oh..." It was an interesting couple of weeks since I knew the information from the police to the public and even to college was minimal so there were no "leaks" of information since the public was getting all the same stuff people in questioning where getting and how many rumours of pure bullshite went around. I actually over heard a student telling some friends "I heard that the TA working for the other course coordinator in that office told police she was searching how to kill someone on her laptop in the office" and standing up and having to be like "yeah that's not true at all" them then demanding how I knew that it wasn't true and me telling them "cause I am that TA and I only met her once and the police haven't even questioned me cause that'd be a pointless waste of their time." They then tried to act incredulous to my claims that I am the TA in their rumour and the rumour was 100% false bs someone just made up for attention. It was an oddly eye opening experience that if it weren't for all the rumours and gossip people were making up after the fact I would have been sort of oblivious to and disconnected from like every other bystander. There was even a short lived rumour that thankfully my coursemates and even instructors helped shut down very quickly after it started but people had started a rumour that I was the body found and she came after me because I caught her stealing from the school. Most of the time in shutting this down for some reason people felt all burden of proof was on me and/or my coursemates and instructors when we'd be like "umm I'm/he is still alive and didn't even know her that long." I had some random student I didn't know demand I show them government issued ID to prove I was who I said I was even though in the school we had to wear our Student ID like an Employee ID and there was a picture and my name on an ID hanging around my neck when I was at a school function put on by student council for all first years, RAs and TAs. 15 years later and now it makes for a fun joke when I bump into someone from my course or randomly email/message them about being "the STILL very much alive Matt."
Grand jury is great, you aren't sitting there for hours just listening to one case but just cliffe notes of a bunch of cases and the best part jurors can ask questions directly to lawyers and witnesses. yes I live in the USA.
Do you just rattle through a bunch of cases in one sitting to decide which ones go ahead to the jury trial? Sounds... Surprisingly efficient for the American justice system
The ADA usually gives recommendations and the grand jury can spend as much time as they need.
@@greenockscatman I’m also from the US and have served on grand jury in my home state. I agree with Diane, much less tedious than a jury trial. The other thing I liked about it is grand jury isn’t responsible for deciding whether or not someone goes to prison, rather it’s whether or not the state has enough evidence to charge someone and send it to trial. If the grand jury decides there is enough, they indict. If not, the state can either drop the case, or go back and try to get more evidence to build a stronger case and bring before a future grand jury. Every state may have differences in how it works, but I think in most or all grand juries you’re hearing just the state’s side and witnesses. Nothing from the defense. That’s why it’s so easy to breeze the cases, it’s one-sided and they don’t have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s for the jury trial. Plus the grand jury doesn’t have to be unanimous. At least that’s the case in my state. Just 75% had to vote to indict. That could vary by state. We also got to question witnesses, and could even vote to add additional charges for indictment if something came up while reviewing the case where we thought the DA overlooked potential charges. It was a very interesting experience to serve grand jury. Although because we heard so many cases, there were some pretty traumatic ones I wish I didn’t have to hear and see the details. I have a lot of respect for people who work in law enforcement and the courts because they have to hear and see this stuff all the time. I just spent a few weeks with a small number years ago and some of that stuff still haunts me.
Friday again, Simon channel binch day 💯 💯💯
Life's a binch and then ya die
I’m currently right down road from Gainesville…. There’s a lot of weird and insane stories from this area… and I moved here from New Orleans… one story of Native lore involves a Vampire Witch Owl…. Yes…. Highly encourage a search on that one lol… and didn’t Bundy terrorize Florida State??? Florida is wild
Yes, Bundy murdered 2 FSU sorority girls & then attacked 3 others, who fortunately survived, in 1978.
New Orleans rhymes with Deloreans. New OR Lee anz… the actual correct if you’re into being correct pronunciation. As a New Orleanian I can also say there are many conditionally considerate alternative pronunciations as well. But since New Orleans rhymes with not much other than Deloreans lol New OrLEENZ in songs is allowed… no one really says nawlins though except people from Wisconsin.
"Grizzly" refers to color-- it means silvery or silver-tipped. "Grisly" is the word you want for the first chapter of your tale-- it means horrifying or disgusting.
There’s a permanent mural on the side of university avenue dedicated to the victims I live in Gainesville btw 🎉
Same Simon. I'm constantly aware that my life could end at any time. The important thing is to keep going outside anyway
Wow...that got dark really fast. This is where you think of worst torture possibly to fit this crime. But there is none. Even a brazen bull or releasing hungry rats over his abdomen wouldn't be satisfying enough. However I understand evil begets evil. But this rips the stoicism right out of me.
That machine to see multiple alternative futures sounds amazing. Let's get on that.
Oh, a policeman who abuses his family ... how unusual! /s
Allegedly.
Bludgeoning the general populace into passive submission is literally a cop's job.
I used to wear camo pants all the time...the pants were nicely durable but also fairly lightweight. Have since moved on to Duluth Trading Company's "firehose pants"
I live pretty close to Gainesville and I didn't know this even happened.
It's not the nicest place to be though, I've been mugged twice there
Sorry you were mugged but I agree, it's not appealing at all lol.
"The average [life expectancy] is 80, which means for every person who lives to like a hundred someone's popping off in their thirties!" Excellent mathsing there, Simon, it's clear why you're the one reading the scripts ;)
Im surprised the murders didnt occur near the END of the semester. With straight A’s for the room mates and such
Simon, I was almost stabbed at university in Oxford. This was in first couple of weeks. Just one of the new students wondering around campus late at night with a knife. He was arrested and that was that. The guy was a bit simple and probably shouldn't have been shipped off to uni to be by himself.
Dude, if you watch the first Nightmare on Elm Street now as an adult you are probably going to roast it, the special effects were so bad and so good at the same time XD But it's a classic of the horror genre and Robert Englund is great as a monster :)
I think for a budget of $1.1 million it was all handled very, very well. Jim Doyle the SFX director did amazing things with so little cash. Doyle created the now iconic knife glove that Freddy wears. Doyle and his SFX partner Lou Carlucci also built a revolving bedroom for the blood geyser scene, which is an insane undertaking on a budget that low. A fantastic film that’s so incredibly cheesy that it needs repeat viewings 😈
@@uremawifenowdave Yes, loved it! Even if the first appearance of Freddy had me laugh on the floor XD The first three movies are the best. :)
As someone with DID, always "love" seeing killers or criminals use that excuse :)))