The ATi Radeon X1800 XT - Hardware Chronicles Ep 4 - End of an Era
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- Опубліковано 1 гру 2024
- Holy ****Balls this video took a long time, but it's finally here!
Hardware Chronicles Ep 4 is all about the Radeon X1800 XT, the headlining 2005 ATi graphics card meant to lead PC gamers into a new generation of games, while also heralding the end of fixed function shader GPUs.
All footage is native running on a Radeon X1800 XT graphics card, unless otherwise noted. Enjoy!
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Joe Satriani - Motorcycle Driver
Fifth Harmony - Sledgehammer - Tronicbox Remix
Airglow - Innermission
Airglow - System Shutdown
Music credits: "Innermission" & "System Shutdown" by Airglow
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I was just pointed to this video. This is a crazy in-depth look at not just the card, but the entire timeframe of its existence. At moments you're channeling John Linneman from Digital Foundry, a compliment I don't give out lightly. I love the detail you give of the shader hardware and the effects used in games of the time. Very high quality work! I'll be pimping this video on my social networks.
P.S. You said to guess, so the next card you're going to feature is the GeForce3.
Thanks for the comment and getting my video out there! DF is definitely an influence, so let me point to my Xbox 360 Xenon CPU feature as another video worth checking out:
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@@BlitzvogelMobius it was rtx 3090
It is insane how the Xbox 360 GPU was based on this..........consoles starting with the original Xbox came out with top of the line GPUs that challenged PC GPUs for at least 1-2 years. When the Xbox One and PS4 came out both Sony and Microsoft cheaped out on the GPU and we had hardware that was inferior to the current PC GPUs. Such a huge letdown I became a PC gamer in early 2014 because of this. If the PS4 and Xbox One had come out with top of the line GPUs like back in the xbox, Xbox 360 and PS3 days then they would have been sporting either a Geforce 780 ti or an AMD R9 290X!!!! Crazy right. Great video I just subbed
Xenos wasn't based on the X1000 series, rather more an outcropping of the vertex shader design that started with R300 that led to R500, and enhanced to run as a large unified array. Xenos is much further different when you take the eDRAM daughter die into account too.
@@BlitzvogelMobius thanks for the response. I swear I remember reading in an old review years ago that the Xbox 360s gpu was based on the Radeon x1800xt but I guess my mind just made it up. Really an amazing time in gaming, I was too young to actually understand what was going on with the GPU industry at this pivotal point in history going from programmable shaders started in 2001 to unified shaders with the Xbox 360s GPU
id say sony did decently with the GPU in the ps4, (microsoft not so much) though they both dropped the ball with the CPU, sure it was a 8 core CPU (each core sucked big time), but was barely any faster than the PS3 or Xbox 360's CPU's due to being essentally 2 4 core low power CPU's bolted together running pretty damnn slowly (1.6ghz for PS4, 1.75ghz for xbox one)
@@thegeforce6625 I think the reason why both the Xbox One and PS4 CPUs had been that anemic is because during that time the semiconductor industry was stuck on 28nm for a long time. you couldn't do anything about the heat so you had to use low power CPUs
@@thegeforce6625 Xenon was pretty bad in most ways too. PPE architecture is really really bad. Cell was too different the SPEs gave it wild floating point performance and not much more. All those accelerators (6 vmx128 in the xenon) really carried that generation. The 4/xbone cpus are literally netbook chip cores, just pathetic. PS5 and xb series are also laptop ryzen but there the difference is just cache size, desktop ryzens always had much more.
Very in depth and detailed. Fantastic work :D
Great video! I wish you made more videos like this one!
Fantastic video. Great job 👍
SO UNDERRATED WTF?
I had one of these cards. Got it when it first came out. At that point, it was also the most expensive video card I've purchased. It was also the last ATI card I bought for a short period after a run of favoring ATI cards over nVidia (from 9700 Pro onwards). I didn't think it was as bad card at all, just nothing special other than it being a bit faster than my 9800 Pro at the time. When the 8800 GTX came out much later, I jumped back to nVidia as I thought that was clearly the better offering from either company at the time. I wounded up just giving the X1800XT to one of my in-laws.
I got one for Xmas when it came out. Good times.
Ready for Hardware Chronicles Ep 5 whenever you are 😅
I run a set of X1800XTs. You had to buy a special "crossfire card" and then pair it through a dongle that hung from the back of the PC. It was a hassle. I run those cards until like 2008 when I bought a set of 3870s and crossfired them. I did it one more time with a set of 6850s and then went to an R9 290. I was happy to quit the Crossfire/SLI stuff. None of them ever performed as well as they theoretically should have.
I had that exact 1800xt card!
Found your channel, i like it, keep good work
i wanted an X850 or x1800/1900 card but had to wait, went from Radeon 9800Pro to HD 3850.
great video ! love the details
Really good info here man, I wish you'll eventually continue this series when time & $$ permits.
May I suggest the Geforce 7900 GT & PS3?
Really great series you've made, next part would be based on the 8800 GTX I'm guessing, I remember wanting one at the time by the time i finally had the money for a new system the 200 series was out and i bought a gtx 260 instead
I really liked this era of gaming and hardware
It's probably my favorite era too. And you're right about the 8800 GTX ;) Unfortunately my main machine has had problems the past few months and the 8800 GTX I got off Ebay has been fussy.
Great video!
I still have an X1950XT lying around somewhere but I had trouble installing the drivers on Windows 10.
Do you have any recommendations for that? Other than not using Windows 10, hehe
It works fine in a Win7 build though more appropriately an XP machine.
Very detailed video, you should use this in your job application to Digital Foundry lol.
To be honest, they are a big inspiration, but I'll also admit that I sorta rushed this in a bid to "just get it done". Also getting tired of my current editing software. Might have to spring for something much more capable.
Is the bfg 7950gt oc pretty close to this card?
one thing that bothers me in some third person games is when instead of the appearance of a character running through an environment, you get the appearance of a static character with an environment moving around them. bethesda...
anyway, i had an x1300pro... if i remember correctly it was garbage. i upgraded to a 7600gt pretty quickly, which was the value darling at that time. now i have a 7700xt, which was a momentary value darling at the moment i purchased it.
I hope you make a video on the GeForce 7800 GTX 512 and compare it to the PS3's RSX! I wish Sony had doubled the main ram and video ram of the PS3. 256mb of main and video ram really crippled the system
PS3 BOM was radically overboard as it was and the system went through alot of paradigm changes throughout it's development. RSX and the GDDR3 VRAM was a later development. Sony realized they needed a real GPU if they hoped to compete and furthermore going through the flex i/o back into the XDR-RAM was not fast enough. Doubling up the module size for XDR would've been super expensive too (very few adopters of it). Hence, the adoption of the GDDR3 framebufder
You can still use Steam on XP...for now:
steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/1780513643851108285/?ctp=2#c1779388024825398458
It's a crime that you don't have more views mate. Found your channel during my research into what GPU is comparable to the Xenos, which I've still yet to find out. It lead me to your channel and i've really enjoyed your Hardware Chronicles series. Extremely high quality production, well done! Just out of curiosity, what would you say is the Xenos equivalent? I've seen some people say the X1900XT or the X1950XT but i'm not convinced.
There is no real 1 to 1 truly comparable GPU to Xenos. The modification of Vec4 + Scalar R500 pixel shaders to operate as a unified array is totally unique as the following ATi architecture went full superscalar VLIW5. Then there's the offboard ROPS and eDRAM die. Just as important are the PC software abstraction layers that often left ATi's VLIW5 arrays underutilized - both a developer and driver problem.
@@BlitzvogelMobius Thanks for the info! So if I'm right, some cards like the X1950 are powerful compared to Xenos but Xenos uses unified shaders, improving performance and this wasn't included until the R600 series. But that would make the Radeon 2900 too powerful for an equivalent?
I see what you mean by there being no direct equivalent. Even the 7800gtx isn't the same as the RSX. If you had to take your pick for the closest comparison, which would it be? I appreciate it's difficult but I value your input, you seem to know a lot more about this so it would be great to learn from you.
@@mrratchet Depending on the game, I think the Radeon 2900GT (240 SPs) would probably be a good analog to Xenos. The Radeon 2600XT despite the TMU and ROP deficit is also surprisingly competent too at 720p. Moving onto later games however, the 360 is going to probably do some things better than either previously mentioned GPU. Kind of hard to say really because developers really got good at using the 360 to it's pure strengths, like the "free" 2x MSAA and z-buffering thanks to the eDRAM daughter die arrangement. But it was practically limited to 720p.
@@BlitzvogelMobius Fantastic. Thank you so much! Are you planning on continuing your Hardware Chronicles series? Perhaps expanding into other consoles?
@@mrratchet Maybe, but my current problem is my main computer (for gaming and editing) is on the fritz, and even spending a couple hundred on replacing the CPU, mobo, and RAM is stretching my wallet, which can be hard when you have a week old newborn baby boy!
Also I'm unmotivated. While I tried to do videos out of general love or interest, I was hoping to gain a greater following and perhaps get my channel remonetized, but the effort has proven fruitless. Yes, I know I wasn't putting out enough to really get anywhere, but spending so much time when I already had a time consuming job during the week was difficult already. And I greatly value my weekend to decompress.
TL;DR - Wallet and focus is on my just born son.
Xbox 360 gpu 512 mb 128 bit runs gta 5 ati radeon x1800xt 512 mb 256 bit not suprised.
Blitz: Stomach low settings at 720p.
The Rest of us in 2008 / 2010: running 480p / 800x600 in our budget PC's.
I got a PC with my Athlon II x2 250 and X1650 Pro 512mb. and it can't keep a higher res after 2006 /2007, but 800x600 / 1024x768 is reasonable on most games of the time and i personally dont mind. and resolution was the biggest cause of lower fps. so lowering it, and increasing shaders and textures led to a decent experience for me. but then again, I was used to it at some point. but back in them days. 1080p wasn't really a goal. 720p was. but a lot ran at lower than 720p. especially those who didnt wanna gut $400+ on a new GPU after buying one of these. I can remember in 2010, so many people i knew still had GeForce 6 / 7 series cards or Radeon X1000 series cards. I use my Athlon build mostly for 2000's era games and some from 2010 / 2011. only got a 16 inch 1280x768 monitor on it. which is the same monitor i used back in 2009 / 2011. but personally. i dont mind stomaching 480p if i had to on it. Crysis with high shaders, high textures, and medium water at 800x600 was doable on the X1650 Pro at around 24-43fps. Shadows set any higher than low destroy the fps on Dedicated vertex shading cards like these also. but it does look a bit off at times with shadows on low. Going to try to fix my X1900 XT and give that card a nice whirl. I wish more people covered these cards. but they're getting harder to find as it is :/
XBOX 360 GPU!!! OMG!!!
This not the Xbox 360's GPU, but a cousin to it.
Blitzvogel XL* version is more similar but still almost a twin: www.neowin.net/forum/topic/391192-xbox-360-gpu-vs-ati-radeon-x1800-xl/
Blitzvogel It is interesting to know what the hardware is, we know the GPU but we could never know what exactly the CPU on PC is equivalent to
pretty sure the xbox 360's gpu destroys it
Dumb AMD killed legendary ATi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darn you AMD !!!!
meh, i don't like these cards, no win98 support.
I like this comment! 😂 win98 FTW!