The reason games like Uncharted 4 still look better than many games today is that artistry trumps raw power almost every time. The tricks Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, Guerilla, and Sucker Punch can pull off in their engines is pure "movie magic". It is likely why they stick with in-house technology over Unreal every time.
R U serious? It looks bad now. Lighting is crap, just look at the fake reflection in the boat at the beginning of the game. Character models are devoid of features (basically GTA5 level). What is good is model animations. But clearly a PS4 last gen game.
This is one thing I like about the PlayStation studios. They release their games on consoles first, then on PC. They make sure they optimized them well. RockStar did the same with Read Dead Redemption 2. But CDPR always wants to release their games at once on all platforms. They also had an in-house engine, the Red engine. But like they released Cyberpunk 2077 on google Stadia and current gen hardware when they both came out just a couple of months before the game released. I don't know why folks at CDPR always do that. Like you'll see them do the same with the Witcher 4 and then scour all the platforms to address bugs and players reports.
kind of odd to hear John talk negatively about the state of physical movies when a lot of people into movies regard this as a golden era for bluray/uhd. Almost all releases now have much higher quality packaging compared to the blue plastic box 10 years ago. There are also numerous smaller publishers out there putting in a lot of effort with new scans, custom artwork, tons of special features - these are people who really care about this stuff and do a lot of work to get things right. Owning/collecting blurays is becoming a niche hobby, sure, but the actual state of new releases and back-catalogue releases is really good.
Quality-wise for sure. Certainly not for the added value side though. Physical media extra’s (docs, commentaries, art media) have really dipped in general for all but the real enthusiast labels, which are expensive.
@@kevclark8661That’s my issue, I haven’t felt the need to own any of these terrible movies that have been released the last 5 years or so. I own my classics I’m happy with them. My collection is complete from my point of view.
1:33:01 I remain really unhappy with the sound quality from streaming, which is why I still buy some discs. I'd rather have the option on streaming to get a lower quality video stream and more audio bitrate, if it has to be a tradeoff (I'm on a 1Gb fiber connection.) But I'm also not happy to pay $40 for a new UHD blu ray.
I'm sure bitrate has much more to do with the cost of them sending it vs the bandwidth they expect you to have to receive it. Especially given the vast majority of people are fine with it how it is and many wouldn't even notice if they degraded it more. Streaming movies/shows as a model makes a lot of sense, but not if you're sensitive to compression artifacts both video and audio.
I’m in the same boat. I try to stick with Apple TV because their bitrate tends to be better than most, but it still can’t compare to a properly mastered 4k disc. If the movie is good enough, I’ll always get a physical version of it
I accidentally found the difference in audio quality when one day I streamed the Matrix and ran the DVD at the same time, flicking between the two on the auxiliary. Once I heard the huge difference, I went back to old school. Cancelled all my streaming apart from amazon as that's where I buy the majority of my Blu ray and 4k discs from
During the production of Cyberpunk they put a ton of work into an E3 demo to make one short segment look as impressive as possible, to the detriment of the rest of the game. In the end product, that meant that a single mission at the start of the game had a couple moments that were much higher-fidelity than the rest of the game (mostly in terms of animation and extra details like waving away the old woman opening her apartment door). The rest of the game didn't have things like that. I sure hope they aren't pulling a repeat with Witcher 4.
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The Witcher 4 developers confirmed in interviews that they used game assets to render the trailer.
@@joefawley9264 Lots of reasons: 1. Don't want a bunch of discs taking up space in my house 2. People who rarely play a game more than once have little reason to want to hold onto them, unless you're a collector I guess. 3. Disc gets scratched or lost, no more game 4. Optical drives are mechanical, which means they will eventually break. Mine did on PS4 and I had my copy of Skyrim stuck in there for 2 1/2 years before it just randomly popped out one day. I couldn't play Skyrim the entire time it was in there and it refused to take any discs after it popped out. 5. Don't have to drive somewhere or wait for a delivery to play a game. Just pay for it, download, and it's ready to go in 20 minutes or less.
@@bdgrey that's selfish thinking. So because you don't care for physical you want it to go away for everyone else? Physical media is cheaper, more convenient, and I replay my game collection spanning back to the Sega Genesis. I can also purchase games removed from the digital store front. Even an all digital gamer likes you benefit from the existence of physical games. The digital storefront must compete with the used (and new) physical market place since it's almost always cheaper. Once physical goes away, you only have one place to purchase games. Do you trust these gaming companies to be competitive when there is no competition? Less options leads nowhere good.
@@bdgrey I wish my downloads were ready in 20 mins 🤣 and I get compliments on my collection all the time. I think it's beautiful. Doesn't feel like it's "taking up space" what would I put there instead?
@@joefawley9264 Huh? When did I say, "I want physical copies to go away?" Never said that. You asked why anyone would support digital media, so I answered. And yes, gaming companies will still be competitive no matter what. It's not "physical media vs digital media". It's, hundreds of publishers vs hundreds of publishers. Digital storefronts don't base their pricing on physical copies at GameStop or eBay. They base their pricing on how many units they've sold this quarter vs last quarter. If sales are falling, prices will lower. Again, I don't care about playing old games. You do, and that's fine.
Guys please talk about Black Ops 6. DLSS is completely broken in that game for a lot of people. General performance is also really bad. We need your analysis of why this is and your suggestions!
Little bit too early to say but feels like the game industry is finally moving in the right direction again. Revival of old IPs, long awaited sequels and even new IP. Old school fun games and single-player games instead of live service junk. Also Astro Bot sweeping the board with awards was a feel-good moment and the cherry-on-top was Swen Vinckes speech at the end. I have some hope again, let's see everyone deliver.
$40 minimum per movie compared to $15 a month? lol most people prefer to just stream to get rid of the hassle that comes with buying and storing all the individual movies
@samgoff5289 hassle? Just place it on a shelf 🤣. And I get my movies for $20 or less. Even 4k. And I get a movie that I love and build a collection that streaming can only dream of. Meanwhile, you have to pay $15-30 a month PER SERVICE for lesser quality, lesser options, and what? 5 interesting releases a year at best across all services. That's a lot of money to support garbage haha. Straight to streaming is like the modern straight to DVD. Watch with caution.
@samgoff5289 and if I want to save money for a few months, I don't have to spend a dime and continue watching my movies. Maybe I'll even let the internet go out, who cares
@samgoff5289 most movies are $30 or less. I just bought lotr 4k trilogy with both editions all in 1 for $50 on sale normally $90. You are full of crap. Alien conclusions is $30, godzilla is $30....
1:49:41 I think just adding the ability to uncap frame rate or set custom caps in CP2077 would make Pro owners happy, they don’t have to get too fancy. In fact, I feel as if 90% of games could just do that. Minimal engineering for an increase in fidelity sounds like a no-brainer!
So... We wanted region free discs They are available for few years already Some big manufacturers decided to stop making players On the other side: Streaming is preffered by majority It is region locked and content varies within same continent What the f...?
1:35:02 I don’t think Olie is aware of the amount of physical media HMV alone turnover each and every week. The Oxford street store was finely reopened by the demand of physical media and their online store I’m told has massive turn over. Even vinyl has come back out of nowhere. Furthermore, we have an increasing number of U.K. boutique blu-Ray labels producing a healthy number of both Blu-Ray and UHD discs each and every month. Physical media isn’t going away, it’s just adapting.
With the Blu-Ray issue. Isn't this the only way to get correct HDR metadata for movies? My understanding is streaming movies will always just default to your TVs auto tone mapping instead of the movies native mastered tone mapping....
From Software should hire some people from other Games Companies to improve their tech from the ground up. For example: To this day, their multiplayer component has a security vulnerability that allows attackers to hack the system the game is played on and this vulnerability is known to affect multiple From Software titles (and they do not fix it). Let alone they can't make their games who look like they released over 10 years ago run above 60 FPS on current gen systems. And these guys are making a PVE/BR like game with competition like Destiny 2 and Fortnite. Seriously?
Vote with you wallet. They've gained a lot of money over the years, they could've done it long ago but didn't because players are ok with it. I was chatting once with some guy and he told me Elden Ring looked beautiful and is up there with Forbidden West and RDR2 to him. Was that cope or delulu doesn't matter because they still pre-order FromSoftware games and give them GOTY for another Dark Souls iteration called differently but with the same assets and a brand new jump mechanics. I gave them benefit of the doubt when Demon's Souls came out but many years later they don't really improve.
the fact that we could have almost similar visuals of that witcher trailer running real time now is so crazy, it could be pre rendered because they wanted to show it with the best quality possible and running it real time would degrade the quality with upscaling and all that but still the fact it could be done is just crazy
My only comments on intergalactic the heretic prophet is the asinine pretentiousness of the title, and the out of left field aspect of the setting. Need to see actual gameplay to address the latter but the former will never cease to illicit an eye roll from me
Hangar 13 has previously voiced troubles with their in-house engine during GDC talks, if I remember correctly. As while it did have a lot of benefits, it also led to a lot of overhead with asset management and engineers were constantly swamped with requests from the design side, never able to keep up. So I'm not surprised they've decided to switch to something that requires less maintenance
Naughty Dog and Machinegames have completely captured my imagination. When I'm home, I'm raiding tombs and punching not-cees and when im in my car I'm bumping that banger of a song drom Pet Shop Boys (It's a Sin). The Geoff Awards awards were absolutely amazing.
So glad Naughty Dog's new game is not The Last of Us ... Part 2 drained me. It was so emotionally exhausting. Phenomenal game, but I can't play that again. To anyone who hasn't played it ... try it! If part one was an emotional rollercoaster, part two was a free-fall tower ride with just a few moments to take a breath. I hope Intergalactic is less emotionally draining.
Graphics sound and gameplay are the only things i still enjoy in ND games since TLOU2. The story and characters are depressing. We need more happy games like astrobot.
The whole premise was just dumb to me. Abby kills Joel b/c Joel killed her father who was a nothing character in the first game. It's not like the Fireflies knocked him and Ellie out without a word, kidnapped them both, locked up Joel, sedated Ellie, and was about to operate on her without anyone's consent, but sure, let's feel something for Abby. It was also way too long and the only character I did like, Dina, was gone before the midway point of the game.
Virtua fighter i always did feel the hit detection was next level like john said things did not clip through as much like arms and legs though juggling did sometimes feel odd, though fighting games have moved quite a lot and virtua fighter i hope they can compete
The Witcher 4 trailer was made by Platige Image as far as I know (not CD Project themselves) so it could be a different version of UE5 of the game itself. Also Platige is a studio that has been working in prerendered stuff for as long as I know them, probably could have been a realtime capture but I assume the choice of was more because of their existing workflow rather than a technical one.
@@boskee That would suggest Platige just sent a director to CD Project but it looks like they did a lot more from their linkedIn post. Could you elaborate on how they collaborated and to what extent?
Considering Sony rarely if ever uploads trailers at 60fps for their first party, even ones that have 60fps modes, it's safe to say this will be Naughty Dog's first game since the PS2 era to finally launch at 60fps on the original platform. Though I would also say Intergalatic doesn't look visually overahuled compared to TLOU2.
Which I think is somewhat fine as TLOUP2 (hehe) was far ahead of its time on a technical level. I would be more than happy to have another game that looks graphically/technically like TLOUP2 and still pay full price.
Honestly, that's fine with me. TLoU Part II still holds up really well visually, so only a marginal improvement on that while targeting 60fps & some RT effects is basically threatening me with a good time (especially if it helps cut down on crunch). Now if only Neil can hold himself back from killing every named Black character with a Black VA in the game (*glares at TLoU2*).
Yes! The word 'Reaction' is not in the title! Congrats DF for avoiding lazy content. They still do the 3-person thumbnail with animated emotions but any step in the right direction is a step in the right direction.
That's true but the main player character seems so dull and bland and boring, make it a girl sure but at least make her interesting, first impressions of her are not great . If it was someone like Ellie I'd be on board.
Why waste time discussing the quality of a pre-rendered cinematic. I mean this same cinematic could be running on probably the Xbox 360 at close to the same Fidelity it's just pre-rendered
TW4 trailer will be running in real time in CES2025, may not look as good but there will be another showing of it rendered in real time on stage. There will also be a relatively big announcement for NVIDIA and UE5 specifically this Jan.
They rather not touch cyberpunk. Who knows if it gets messed up with PSSR. You can already notice there is a major improvement without any patch. The resolution in performance mode is much sharper than base machine. There are absolutely no frame drops especially during intense combat in Dogtown area. All in all, it looks better on Pro even without a patch!!
It's good to know the Witcher 4 trailer had ingame assets at least, confirmed by the devs. I expect we won't see that level of fidelity in-game, but production wise this is good news.
The whole "in-game engine footage running on unreleased hardware" on pre-rendered scenes is deliberately misleading language meant to confuse the uninformed lol
@fredericosei5617 Yeah. Before it looked like a muddy choppy mess. Now it's super smooth and wayyy sharper. I'm on a VRR screen, so that may help. It also is using PSSR, but in the case of SM2 it looks like a great implementation
What makes the W4’s trailer a bullsh*^ as they would say is that the stuttering, ghosting, motion artefacts, etc… are what is never going to be present in a pre-rendered in engine trailer.
The elden ring expansion will have absolutely nothing to offer a single player gamer or DF tech head. And that's okay. Not every game should be for everybody. You guys have plague tale requiem, I have GTAO. It's perfectly fine
Split fiction is how I wish everyone announced their games. Cinematics, gameplay, show us the mission variety a bit and game mechanic ideas. Sold me instantly but being from the it takes 2 devs I was already sold (still watch reviews ofc but this studio seems to be very confident in their product to advertise it like that). If I see a cinematic trailer and I’m not interested in its art direction and see no gameplay while skipping through it, I just skip it entirely.
I just watch it and don't put that much stake in it. Curb my expectations when I see the word reveal. Have patience there will be more. Basically I go 'oh fun' and move on. Not everything has to be something to me LOL. Who cares what the other guy did, or how the reveal is paced? That's a whole lot of wasted energy on... video game trailers LOL. I'm not thinking that deep on it or comparing dichotomies like all that. Who fucking cares.
The same rendering issue with PSSR encountered in star wars and avatar have happen to me in the last level only, just before the fight, on Stellar Blade. Very odd
CDPR has entered production and devs said the trailer used game assets. So likely the graphical fidelity will be the same, but not the animations since it's an open world game. That would be too much work since they're not taking 8+ years to develop like Rockstar with RDR2.
01:05:00 Classic Square PC port. Almost all Square PC ports are a mess and you need to mod the game to make it somewhat playable. Which is why i bought FF7R - 2... for the PS5 instead waiting for the PC Version. It's going to have some very annoying issues while looking very similar. FF15 (granted different engine) was a mess and it took me a day to mod the game into "yeah, playable".
What's there to say? Astrobot is a great game and probably is my personal goty, but the TGA is cringe, corporate garbage. Why anyone cares who wins what is beyond me. Literally the only reason to watch is the new game announcements / trailers and even in that regard, I wish I hadn't bothered.
Cyberpunk on PS5 Pro cannot get better because the game is CPU limited. If you want to do more RT effects you will have more CPU usage for the BVH, meaning that the stronger GPU with the same exact CPU does nothing. To improve graphics you would need to drop the NPC density to puny PS4 levels. Big fail from Sony to not have put in a Zen3 cpu. PS5 Pro basically cannot do RT in high NPC desnity games, even if the GPU is better in RT.
I know PSSR is nascent tech, and both DLSS and FSR had their growing pains, but how worried should we about what we're seeing with some of these games?
My main worry would be Sony can't update it, and that it's more hard-coded than what can be done with Tensor cores or compute. The checkerboard rendering acelleration was hard coded, it couldn't be replaced with a patch. Nvidia's architecture is programmable, but not all ML acceleration is.
@@Wobbothe3rd that's not correct. It's compute based, all machine learning is, it has hardware for accelerating these calculation but it's fundamentally programmable, they can update it. Checkerboard rendering hardware was a deterministic algorithm baked into fixed function hardware on the ps4 pr. The machine learning acceleration in ps5 pro would be programmable by design. Tensor cores are compute btw, just dedicated and optimized for ML. Furthermore all machine learning running on any device is programmable, by design. Comparing the ml acceleration to ps4 pro checkerboarding isn't fruitful because they are not comparable technologies for the purpose of intuiting Sony's ability to improve PSSR.
considering the "next generation" of consoles comes with Series Next in 2026 ... the Witcher 4 is going to be a next gen game! p.s. and one thing should be clear: that young women Ciri tries to save needs to be saved in the first run-through.
I'm really looking at games like Uncharted 4 and ask the question why can't we get new games at that level of graphics running at 4K60 on base PS5. Most new AAA games use very taxing visual effects an still look worse than PS4 era games.
Hopefully CDPR doesn't skimp on the PC version and pushes the platform as they still do, though mentioning an RTX gpu specifically feels like they are still a PC first dev.
When I saw that Intergalactic trailer, I wasn't immediately blown off by the rendering seeing as TLOUP1 or 2 look comparatively really close, even though TLOUP2 runs on a ps4 and, realistically, TLOUP1 probably could too. But adding RT reflections to the mix, and the 4k-likeness of the image, that makes it a lot more impressive. I guess I'm used to being blown off by the animation work naughty dog usually pulls, and the way their environment design hides the lack of RT almost perfectly, I didn't even take notice how they've dropped some of those limitations without losing fidelity at all, as well as how this very much looks like a quality mode on a previous game while performing like a performance mode. At the same time I don't see where all the extra CPU from not having to support last gen is going to, it almost looks like they gained GPU grunt for nothing? Impressive stuff.
This The Witcher IV scene is in-game and is apparently said to be early on. It could still be pre-rendered, of course but I think it uses in-game assets.
Looking at the Witcher 4 face models, I still think horizon forbidden west actually does better face modelling. Something about the faces look uncanny still here while forbidden west is the best example of least uncanny face models to me at least. Ciri herself seems to have a higher detail face model if u asked me. Even Jedi Survivor on UE4 has more believable faces to me. Don’t know if it’s an engine thing either because death stranding 2 face models look worse than forbidden west (from what we saw). Intergalactic definately looked higher fidelity to me.
UE5 can be a mess with stuttering no matter how much power you throw at it, but as CDPR does make their own in house game engine they know very well how to make good use of one, so I have some small hope they can tweak UE5 to get the best out of it for the Witcher 4 with little to no stuttering.
The reason games like Uncharted 4 still look better than many games today is that artistry trumps raw power almost every time. The tricks Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, Guerilla, and Sucker Punch can pull off in their engines is pure "movie magic". It is likely why they stick with in-house technology over Unreal every time.
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R U serious? It looks bad now. Lighting is crap, just look at the fake reflection in the boat at the beginning of the game. Character models are devoid of features (basically GTA5 level). What is good is model animations. But clearly a PS4 last gen game.
@@marsovac huh?
@@marsovac Uncharted 4 looks bad? Wow
This is one thing I like about the PlayStation studios. They release their games on consoles first, then on PC. They make sure they optimized them well. RockStar did the same with Read Dead Redemption 2. But CDPR always wants to release their games at once on all platforms. They also had an in-house engine, the Red engine. But like they released Cyberpunk 2077 on google Stadia and current gen hardware when they both came out just a couple of months before the game released. I don't know why folks at CDPR always do that. Like you'll see them do the same with the Witcher 4 and then scour all the platforms to address bugs and players reports.
kind of odd to hear John talk negatively about the state of physical movies when a lot of people into movies regard this as a golden era for bluray/uhd. Almost all releases now have much higher quality packaging compared to the blue plastic box 10 years ago. There are also numerous smaller publishers out there putting in a lot of effort with new scans, custom artwork, tons of special features - these are people who really care about this stuff and do a lot of work to get things right. Owning/collecting blurays is becoming a niche hobby, sure, but the actual state of new releases and back-catalogue releases is really good.
Quality-wise for sure. Certainly not for the added value side though. Physical media extra’s (docs, commentaries, art media) have really dipped in general for all but the real enthusiast labels, which are expensive.
shame the movies are all terrible
When masterpieces like Les Ordres and La Maman et la Putain are coming out on Blu-Ray, it really is the golden age.
Never been happier to be purchasing physical media
@@kevclark8661That’s my issue, I haven’t felt the need to own any of these terrible movies that have been released the last 5 years or so. I own my classics I’m happy with them. My collection is complete from my point of view.
1:33:01 I remain really unhappy with the sound quality from streaming, which is why I still buy some discs. I'd rather have the option on streaming to get a lower quality video stream and more audio bitrate, if it has to be a tradeoff (I'm on a 1Gb fiber connection.) But I'm also not happy to pay $40 for a new UHD blu ray.
I'm sure bitrate has much more to do with the cost of them sending it vs the bandwidth they expect you to have to receive it.
Especially given the vast majority of people are fine with it how it is and many wouldn't even notice if they degraded it more.
Streaming movies/shows as a model makes a lot of sense, but not if you're sensitive to compression artifacts both video and audio.
I’m in the same boat. I try to stick with Apple TV because their bitrate tends to be better than most, but it still can’t compare to a properly mastered 4k disc. If the movie is good enough, I’ll always get a physical version of it
@@postjm9 my movie collection makes streaming truly feel like a waste of money
Even if I could get a less compressed signal with fewer channels, I'd prefer that to an "Atmos" track that sounds like mush.
I accidentally found the difference in audio quality when one day I streamed the Matrix and ran the DVD at the same time, flicking between the two on the auxiliary.
Once I heard the huge difference, I went back to old school. Cancelled all my streaming apart from amazon as that's where I buy the majority of my Blu ray and 4k discs from
During the production of Cyberpunk they put a ton of work into an E3 demo to make one short segment look as impressive as possible, to the detriment of the rest of the game. In the end product, that meant that a single mission at the start of the game had a couple moments that were much higher-fidelity than the rest of the game (mostly in terms of animation and extra details like waving away the old woman opening her apartment door). The rest of the game didn't have things like that. I sure hope they aren't pulling a repeat with Witcher 4.
The Witcher 4 developers confirmed in interviews that they used game assets to render the trailer.
I'll always buy discs as long as their being made. The digital only future is dystopic!
@@Ajax-0137 why anyone would support all digital is beyond me.
@@joefawley9264 Lots of reasons:
1. Don't want a bunch of discs taking up space in my house
2. People who rarely play a game more than once have little reason to want to hold onto them, unless you're a collector I guess.
3. Disc gets scratched or lost, no more game
4. Optical drives are mechanical, which means they will eventually break. Mine did on PS4 and I had my copy of Skyrim stuck in there for 2 1/2 years before it just randomly popped out one day. I couldn't play Skyrim the entire time it was in there and it refused to take any discs after it popped out.
5. Don't have to drive somewhere or wait for a delivery to play a game. Just pay for it, download, and it's ready to go in 20 minutes or less.
@@bdgrey that's selfish thinking. So because you don't care for physical you want it to go away for everyone else?
Physical media is cheaper, more convenient, and I replay my game collection spanning back to the Sega Genesis. I can also purchase games removed from the digital store front.
Even an all digital gamer likes you benefit from the existence of physical games. The digital storefront must compete with the used (and new) physical market place since it's almost always cheaper.
Once physical goes away, you only have one place to purchase games. Do you trust these gaming companies to be competitive when there is no competition? Less options leads nowhere good.
@@bdgrey I wish my downloads were ready in 20 mins 🤣 and I get compliments on my collection all the time. I think it's beautiful. Doesn't feel like it's "taking up space" what would I put there instead?
@@joefawley9264 Huh? When did I say, "I want physical copies to go away?" Never said that.
You asked why anyone would support digital media, so I answered.
And yes, gaming companies will still be competitive no matter what. It's not "physical media vs digital media". It's, hundreds of publishers vs hundreds of publishers.
Digital storefronts don't base their pricing on physical copies at GameStop or eBay. They base their pricing on how many units they've sold this quarter vs last quarter. If sales are falling, prices will lower.
Again, I don't care about playing old games. You do, and that's fine.
Thank you for your opinion and comments about new naughty dog game gents, finally I found someone who is also excited as I am after this presentation.
Guys please talk about Black Ops 6. DLSS is completely broken in that game for a lot of people. General performance is also really bad. We need your analysis of why this is and your suggestions!
Little bit too early to say but feels like the game industry is finally moving in the right direction again.
Revival of old IPs, long awaited sequels and even new IP. Old school fun games and single-player games instead of live service junk.
Also Astro Bot sweeping the board with awards was a feel-good moment and the cherry-on-top was Swen Vinckes speech at the end. I have some hope again, let's see everyone deliver.
Streaming straight up sucks. Im not paying monthly for movies i cant choose. I'd rather use that money on quality physical media.
$40 minimum per movie compared to $15 a month? lol most people prefer to just stream to get rid of the hassle that comes with buying and storing all the individual movies
@samgoff5289 hassle? Just place it on a shelf 🤣. And I get my movies for $20 or less. Even 4k. And I get a movie that I love and build a collection that streaming can only dream of.
Meanwhile, you have to pay $15-30 a month PER SERVICE for lesser quality, lesser options, and what? 5 interesting releases a year at best across all services. That's a lot of money to support garbage haha. Straight to streaming is like the modern straight to DVD. Watch with caution.
@samgoff5289 and if I want to save money for a few months, I don't have to spend a dime and continue watching my movies. Maybe I'll even let the internet go out, who cares
@samgoff5289 most movies are $30 or less. I just bought lotr 4k trilogy with both editions all in 1 for $50 on sale normally $90. You are full of crap. Alien conclusions is $30, godzilla is $30....
CDPR said the assets are from the game during the interview, they did a prerender as a visual target
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I think just adding the ability to uncap frame rate or set custom caps in CP2077 would make Pro owners happy, they don’t have to get too fancy. In fact, I feel as if 90% of games could just do that. Minimal engineering for an increase in fidelity sounds like a no-brainer!
So...
We wanted region free discs
They are available for few years already
Some big manufacturers decided to stop making players
On the other side:
Streaming is preffered by majority
It is region locked and content varies within same continent
What the f...?
Streaming is one of the biggest scams in entertainment. Paying monthly for a collection I have no choice or interest in?
That's was some SHITE JOHN SPOKE ON ABOUT WITCHERS PRE RENDERD TRAILER 😂😂😂
00:11 "Geoffcon 1" 😂😂😂
1:35:02 I don’t think Olie is aware of the amount of physical media HMV alone turnover each and every week. The Oxford street store was finely reopened by the demand of physical media and their online store I’m told has massive turn over. Even vinyl has come back out of nowhere. Furthermore, we have an increasing number of U.K. boutique blu-Ray labels producing a healthy number of both Blu-Ray and UHD discs each and every month. Physical media isn’t going away, it’s just adapting.
With the Blu-Ray issue. Isn't this the only way to get correct HDR metadata for movies?
My understanding is streaming movies will always just default to your TVs auto tone mapping instead of the movies native mastered tone mapping....
There is a separate UE5 module for making cinematics, so people shouldn't get their hopes up too high about the Witcher 4.
1:33:16 "Rich says in-the-here-and-now" drinking game
Or if you _really_ want to risk it "Rich says the-concept-of..." drinking game
From Software should hire some people from other Games Companies to improve their tech from the ground up.
For example: To this day, their multiplayer component has a security vulnerability that allows attackers to hack the system the game is played on and this vulnerability is known to affect multiple From Software titles (and they do not fix it). Let alone they can't make their games who look like they released over 10 years ago run above 60 FPS on current gen systems. And these guys are making a PVE/BR like game with competition like Destiny 2 and Fortnite. Seriously?
Vote with you wallet. They've gained a lot of money over the years, they could've done it long ago but didn't because players are ok with it. I was chatting once with some guy and he told me Elden Ring looked beautiful and is up there with Forbidden West and RDR2 to him. Was that cope or delulu doesn't matter because they still pre-order FromSoftware games and give them GOTY for another Dark Souls iteration called differently but with the same assets and a brand new jump mechanics.
I gave them benefit of the doubt when Demon's Souls came out but many years later they don't really improve.
the fact that we could have almost similar visuals of that witcher trailer running real time now is so crazy, it could be pre rendered because they wanted to show it with the best quality possible and running it real time would degrade the quality with upscaling and all that but still the fact it could be done is just crazy
36:48 Maybe I misunderstood what Oliver was saying, but It Takes Two sold over 20 Mio copies. That doesn't scream limited audience to me.
Intergalactic looks very great !
My only comments on intergalactic the heretic prophet is the asinine pretentiousness of the title, and the out of left field aspect of the setting. Need to see actual gameplay to address the latter but the former will never cease to illicit an eye roll from me
Ninja Gaiden: Ragebound looks far more like a Shinobi game than a Ninja Gaiden game.
Hangar 13 has previously voiced troubles with their in-house engine during GDC talks, if I remember correctly. As while it did have a lot of benefits, it also led to a lot of overhead with asset management and engineers were constantly swamped with requests from the design side, never able to keep up. So I'm not surprised they've decided to switch to something that requires less maintenance
Naughty Dog and Machinegames have completely captured my imagination. When I'm home, I'm raiding tombs and punching not-cees and when im in my car I'm bumping that banger of a song drom Pet Shop Boys (It's a Sin).
The Geoff Awards awards were absolutely amazing.
Gendesign was easily the highlight imo
Definitely! I can't wait to hear more from genDesign!
UE5 on console is so flawed. I would take Decima any day every day.
UE takes the realism of gameplay away. I don't how to describe it
UE5 on PS5 pro seems to be okay, but on the base consoles it's definitely problematic.
I love these long videos! Interesting and also it also helps me to not think about my loud tinnitus.
So glad Naughty Dog's new game is not The Last of Us ... Part 2 drained me. It was so emotionally exhausting. Phenomenal game, but I can't play that again. To anyone who hasn't played it ... try it! If part one was an emotional rollercoaster, part two was a free-fall tower ride with just a few moments to take a breath. I hope Intergalactic is less emotionally draining.
Graphics sound and gameplay are the only things i still enjoy in ND games since TLOU2. The story and characters are depressing. We need more happy games like astrobot.
@@Dragonfury3000I’m happy to have both of them, variety is good
Don't be so melodramatic.
Interesting hearing people's thoughts on it. I found Part 2 borderline ridiculous.
The whole premise was just dumb to me. Abby kills Joel b/c Joel killed her father who was a nothing character in the first game. It's not like the Fireflies knocked him and Ellie out without a word, kidnapped them both, locked up Joel, sedated Ellie, and was about to operate on her without anyone's consent, but sure, let's feel something for Abby.
It was also way too long and the only character I did like, Dina, was gone before the midway point of the game.
These wizzards over at naughty dog could very well be cooking up a 3d world space radiance cascade lighting system.
Witcher 4 will not release before 3-4 years, so I hope the PS6 will have a robust CPU to finally fully support UE5
Virtua fighter i always did feel the hit detection was next level like john said things did not clip through as much like arms and legs though juggling did sometimes feel odd, though fighting games have moved quite a lot and virtua fighter i hope they can compete
The Witcher 4 trailer was made by Platige Image as far as I know (not CD Project themselves) so it could be a different version of UE5 of the game itself. Also Platige is a studio that has been working in prerendered stuff for as long as I know them, probably could have been a realtime capture but I assume the choice of was more because of their existing workflow rather than a technical one.
It was made in-house, but Platige Image helped with the direction.
@@boskee That would suggest Platige just sent a director to CD Project but it looks like they did a lot more from their linkedIn post. Could you elaborate on how they collaborated and to what extent?
Considering Sony rarely if ever uploads trailers at 60fps for their first party, even ones that have 60fps modes, it's safe to say this will be Naughty Dog's first game since the PS2 era to finally launch at 60fps on the original platform. Though I would also say Intergalatic doesn't look visually overahuled compared to TLOU2.
Which I think is somewhat fine as TLOUP2 (hehe) was far ahead of its time on a technical level. I would be more than happy to have another game that looks graphically/technically like TLOUP2 and still pay full price.
Honestly, that's fine with me. TLoU Part II still holds up really well visually, so only a marginal improvement on that while targeting 60fps & some RT effects is basically threatening me with a good time (especially if it helps cut down on crunch).
Now if only Neil can hold himself back from killing every named Black character with a Black VA in the game (*glares at TLoU2*).
Yes! The word 'Reaction' is not in the title! Congrats DF for avoiding lazy content. They still do the 3-person thumbnail with animated emotions but any step in the right direction is a step in the right direction.
6:00 he meant to say in Unreal engine 5 game with TAA. Witcher 3 had such a great image quality and new next gen version literally killed that.
Finally some great Intergalactic analysis without clickbait and useless talking about Jordan's design.
Naughty Dog are wizards, the game will blow minds.
That's true but the main player character seems so dull and bland and boring, make it a girl sure but at least make her interesting, first impressions of her are not great . If it was someone like Ellie I'd be on board.
Why waste time discussing the quality of a pre-rendered cinematic. I mean this same cinematic could be running on probably the Xbox 360 at close to the same Fidelity it's just pre-rendered
I'm going to one up you.
I watch The Matrix and Bonnie and Clyde on the _same TV_
TW4 trailer will be running in real time in CES2025, may not look as good but there will be another showing of it rendered in real time on stage. There will also be a relatively big announcement for NVIDIA and UE5 specifically this Jan.
worth noting that for The Witcher 4, the project leads stated the trailer was made using game assets on the friends per second podcast
They rather not touch cyberpunk. Who knows if it gets messed up with PSSR. You can already notice there is a major improvement without any patch. The resolution in performance mode is much sharper than base machine. There are absolutely no frame drops especially during intense combat in Dogtown area. All in all, it looks better on Pro even without a patch!!
It's good to know the Witcher 4 trailer had ingame assets at least, confirmed by the devs.
I expect we won't see that level of fidelity in-game, but production wise this is good news.
I am playing alan wake 2 on ps5 pro and i see the downgrade. I wish i could disable pssr here also.
Just released a patch can turn it off I think and got a 40fps mode with RT
The whole "in-game engine footage running on unreleased hardware" on pre-rendered scenes is deliberately misleading language meant to confuse the uninformed lol
5060 Ti 16GB 5070 12GB
Oliver’s on fire 🔥 lately
Off topic, but I don't think DF have covered the Space Marine 2 Pro upgrade yet. To me it looks and plays far far better
Really?! I've been waiting for an update before buying.
@fredericosei5617 Yeah. Before it looked like a muddy choppy mess. Now it's super smooth and wayyy sharper. I'm on a VRR screen, so that may help. It also is using PSSR, but in the case of SM2 it looks like a great implementation
@@TheBuffig ooh I have the trial installed, will this update apply?
@@fredericosei5617 Not sure tbh. I don't see why not
What makes the W4’s trailer a bullsh*^ as they would say is that the stuttering, ghosting, motion artefacts, etc… are what is never going to be present in a pre-rendered in engine trailer.
The elden ring expansion will have absolutely nothing to offer a single player gamer or DF tech head.
And that's okay.
Not every game should be for everybody. You guys have plague tale requiem, I have GTAO. It's perfectly fine
Split fiction is how I wish everyone announced their games. Cinematics, gameplay, show us the mission variety a bit and game mechanic ideas. Sold me instantly but being from the it takes 2 devs I was already sold (still watch reviews ofc but this studio seems to be very confident in their product to advertise it like that).
If I see a cinematic trailer and I’m not interested in its art direction and see no gameplay while skipping through it, I just skip it entirely.
I just watch it and don't put that much stake in it. Curb my expectations when I see the word reveal. Have patience there will be more.
Basically I go 'oh fun' and move on. Not everything has to be something to me LOL.
Who cares what the other guy did, or how the reveal is paced? That's a whole lot of wasted energy on... video game trailers LOL. I'm not thinking that deep on it or comparing dichotomies like all that. Who fucking cares.
Split fiction is the reason to upgrade from PS4 Pro to PS5 Pro)
The same rendering issue with PSSR encountered in star wars and avatar have happen to me in the last level only, just before the fight, on Stellar Blade. Very odd
I am glad the Arc 580 is decent i hope they continue with gpus as the competition is really needed
CDPR has entered production and devs said the trailer used game assets. So likely the graphical fidelity will be the same, but not the animations since it's an open world game. That would be too much work since they're not taking 8+ years to develop like Rockstar with RDR2.
01:05:00 Classic Square PC port. Almost all Square PC ports are a mess and you need to mod the game to make it somewhat playable.
Which is why i bought FF7R - 2... for the PS5 instead waiting for the PC Version. It's going to have some very annoying issues while looking very similar. FF15 (granted different engine) was a mess and it took me a day to mod the game into "yeah, playable".
The Witcher 4 trailer looks amazing, although I do the think the hair could be improved here and there.
So no comment on Astro Bot winning GOTY?
I guess DF are just more focusing on the new games trailers shown off at the event rather than the awards themselves.
What's there to say? Astrobot is a great game and probably is my personal goty, but the TGA is cringe, corporate garbage. Why anyone cares who wins what is beyond me. Literally the only reason to watch is the new game announcements / trailers and even in that regard, I wish I hadn't bothered.
The only that ppl can say is that Nintendo has been doing games on par or better than Astro Boty for 40 years, and they how many GOTY awards?
@@alexandrecl4331thats just your subjective opinion.
@jez49647 Do you even like games? If you didn't enjoy this year's TGA you need to find a new hobby.
Cyberpunk on PS5 Pro cannot get better because the game is CPU limited. If you want to do more RT effects you will have more CPU usage for the BVH, meaning that the stronger GPU with the same exact CPU does nothing. To improve graphics you would need to drop the NPC density to puny PS4 levels. Big fail from Sony to not have put in a Zen3 cpu. PS5 Pro basically cannot do RT in high NPC desnity games, even if the GPU is better in RT.
Breakdowns of cinematic trailers seem pretty useless. Have there been any historical examples of cinematic trailers matching in game footage?
Is it time we get socketed memory in discrete graphics cards?
...FLUTE GUY!!!!!!!!!
I know PSSR is nascent tech, and both DLSS and FSR had their growing pains, but how worried should we about what we're seeing with some of these games?
My main worry would be Sony can't update it, and that it's more hard-coded than what can be done with Tensor cores or compute. The checkerboard rendering acelleration was hard coded, it couldn't be replaced with a patch. Nvidia's architecture is programmable, but not all ML acceleration is.
@@Wobbothe3rd that's not correct. It's compute based, all machine learning is, it has hardware for accelerating these calculation but it's fundamentally programmable, they can update it. Checkerboard rendering hardware was a deterministic algorithm baked into fixed function hardware on the ps4 pr. The machine learning acceleration in ps5 pro would be programmable by design. Tensor cores are compute btw, just dedicated and optimized for ML. Furthermore all machine learning running on any device is programmable, by design. Comparing the ml acceleration to ps4 pro checkerboarding isn't fruitful because they are not comparable technologies for the purpose of intuiting Sony's ability to improve PSSR.
It's going to be over hyped to the moon like Ray tracing when in reality I just want creativity in gaming.
PSSR has been out for 5 weeks. Jesus.
Early adopters always get the short end of the stick
considering the "next generation" of consoles comes with Series Next in 2026 ... the Witcher 4 is going to be a next gen game!
p.s. and one thing should be clear: that young women Ciri tries to save needs to be saved in the first run-through.
You dont even need a GPU to pre-render a trailer :)
Can we get John and Audie back together pls
I'm really looking at games like Uncharted 4 and ask the question why can't we get new games at that level of graphics running at 4K60 on base PS5. Most new AAA games use very taxing visual effects an still look worse than PS4 era games.
Ninja Gaiden Ragebound does not look like a metroidvania
After Naughty Dog I wonder which studio PS will make develop a Concord next
Hopefully CDPR doesn't skimp on the PC version and pushes the platform as they still do, though mentioning an RTX gpu specifically feels like they are still a PC first dev.
As they should be imo. They have the best RT and PT implementation out there and it wouldn't have been possible if they weren't so PC focused.
Bros forgetting Playstations and Xboxes also serve as bluray players
I'm most excited for Mafia Old Country
When are you guys going to do a tech review of crimson desert?
Cyberpunk _should_ have a Pro patch. If nothing else, just the frame rate.
So, run at 40 fps instead of 30…?
@@samgoff5289 I'd take it!
For me its the 40fps quality mode the best mode for avatar!
It's not about 40 FPS at all in 2024. Or 25
GEOFFCON 1 🤣
I'm with Oliver, I want TLOU Part 3, although I can wait.
can't wait for Intergalactic
When I saw that Intergalactic trailer, I wasn't immediately blown off by the rendering seeing as TLOUP1 or 2 look comparatively really close, even though TLOUP2 runs on a ps4 and, realistically, TLOUP1 probably could too.
But adding RT reflections to the mix, and the 4k-likeness of the image, that makes it a lot more impressive. I guess I'm used to being blown off by the animation work naughty dog usually pulls, and the way their environment design hides the lack of RT almost perfectly, I didn't even take notice how they've dropped some of those limitations without losing fidelity at all, as well as how this very much looks like a quality mode on a previous game while performing like a performance mode. At the same time I don't see where all the extra CPU from not having to support last gen is going to, it almost looks like they gained GPU grunt for nothing? Impressive stuff.
Bet its the 4050 Ti
You can see her reflection in the glossy photo while she’s out of view. Amazing.
All those games will no run well on 8Gb of VRAM, aka the majority of people on steam
Where is MSFS 2024 content? Y'all blatantly ignoring it at this point. Zero content anywhere on the channel and it's been out for almost a month.
I believe they are waiting until all the bugs are ironed out before doing a proper review.
@TripleKOShorts haha so we'll see coverage in about 8 months?
They said they want to cover it but are just completely underwater with things to cover still. Rich said hopefully in January.
Ciri 1 is not Witcher 4
28:19 I wonder why there is no hair artifacting. 🤔
This The Witcher IV scene is in-game and is apparently said to be early on. It could still be pre-rendered, of course but I think it uses in-game assets.
Ok, Oliver made me sad not having anyone to play co-op with.
2:05 Yeah, that was so insanely odd to me too. It's pre-rendered it doesn't matter the tiniest bit how it was done, right?
Looking at the Witcher 4 face models, I still think horizon forbidden west actually does better face modelling. Something about the faces look uncanny still here while forbidden west is the best example of least uncanny face models to me at least. Ciri herself seems to have a higher detail face model if u asked me. Even Jedi Survivor on UE4 has more believable faces to me.
Don’t know if it’s an engine thing either because death stranding 2 face models look worse than forbidden west (from what we saw).
Intergalactic definately looked higher fidelity to me.
Witcher 4 is on UE5. So I think it will be another stuttering mess on the PC.
UE5 can be a mess with stuttering no matter how much power you throw at it, but as CDPR does make their own in house game engine they know very well how to make good use of one, so I have some small hope they can tweak UE5 to get the best out of it for the Witcher 4 with little to no stuttering.
That Witcher 4 trailer was made on an un-named future GPU. Probably a RTX 5090 since Nvidia has close ties with CDPR.
Please do a test on new ps5 pro star wars outlaws updates
One ripped off pro user here 😂
Well another show of cinematics showing how "great" UE5 is until the the game gets released with all the stuttering fest.
CDPR did confirm that the trailer was made the in-game assets and models.
Finally, was waiting for this. It was a great show with incredible games, especially wanted to hear your thoughts on Witcher 4
Right on time
Imagine pretending PS5 is the console they have to worry about Witcher 4 on when Series S exists.