To the people who think this is "Clout chasing" because they're like Dealer you fail to realize BOTH Ex-Dealer composers are in this band. David Wilder and Josh Ang both founding members of Dealer were pushed out by Aiden. This isn't them trying to catch the tail of Dealer's sound. This is a bitter rivalry of old friends and bandmates, and I'm all for it if that means we get bangers like this.
Only heard of you boys yesterday when you performed at the Enmore theatre, and I wish I discovered you sooner. Absolute fucken bangers, you guys are pretty underrated.
"I came to bury the hatchet In your fucking head" and "Separate art from artist With a head cut off" are so unbelievably hard. HG went Kendrick Lamar on Dealer and it makes my stomach fluttery
@@DennisHanson-wh7gvI think pincers and HGs tracks and cover art of rat king and pulling strings are jabbing at dealer after Aiden was a bitch and forced them out
@@EastonTaylor-o9b yeah the mix was good I just feel like Dealer doesn’t hold a candle to HEAVENSGATE or Pincer+ because what made dealer special is in these bands now. I just feel like they’re trying desperately to get the sound Josh Ang created and Aiden’s vocals are very meh especially compared to Nazareth (HEAVENSGATE vocalist) and I find it hard to respect a guy that’s been kicked out of pretty much every band he’s been in. but that’s just my opinion and I respect yours!
@@ohbxnny6299let’s face it. The band wasn’t all just Josh, yeah he wrote for the band, but at the time they were in a band. That’s typically how it goes, rarely does a band all get together in a room and write songs together like it was back in the day. Most of the time one member has more of a hand in the writing pot then the rest of them do. It happened to be Josh. But to sit hear and say Aiden’s lyrics and vocals don’t define dealer just as much as the instrumentals do is crazy. The duo of Josh and Aiden is what made it sick, just cuz Josh is gone dosent mean Aiden has to totally change the style of music. People like dealer for the weird guitar noises and chunky riffs, that dosent cease to exist in new dealer music just because Josh is gone. Obviously they’re gonna stick to a certain sound. You can’t trademark drop f guitar riffs with harmonics. I thought the new dealer album sounded different from soul burn and saint. Mainly in the structure and vibe, just felt faster and grittier, and a little more dark comparatively.
@@Chadreactz i didnt anywhere say that Aidens vocals didnt define Dealer because in a way they totally did. But compared to Nazareth and even the Pincer+ vocalist Aiden just all that unique and isnt as talented vocally as those two IMO. so to me Heavensgate scratches the itch that i had for dealer when they were up and coming and to me personally heavensgate is just leagues better. But like like i said its just my opinion and you have yours and thats fine! And yes you cant trademark drop E with harmonics but when you hear old dealer and pincer+/heavensgate songs you just know thats that Josh Ang sound and riffage (given this new Heavensgate song was written by the other guitarist David)
@@RyanHarville Dealer vocalist had allegations (charges were dropped) throne his way, entire metal scene believes it despite only being unfounded allegations, and a bunch of ex-bandmates/people entirely unrelated to Dealer themselves start taking shots because it's the cool thing to do without ever thinking about how they'd feel if the shoe was on the other foot. Look up something like "Dealer band allegations" or something of that sort and you'll find what you need. Look into it and come to your own conclusion. Don't be like the moron you responded to, who's clearly just regurgitating false information because other people told him what to believe.
@@icanmakeeverythingilovedie9861 the dealer vocalist has multiple allegations against him, even from alpha wolf days. Also the charges were not simply dropped. There was a out of court settlement with the victim for $8000, that is not the same thing. There are also multiple other girls in the aussie metal scene who have never come forward because they don’t want to be part of the witch hunt which has happened twice already. before you accuse others of regurgitating false information, get your facts straight.
the dealer vocalist has multiple allegations against him, even from alpha wolf days. Also the charges were not simply dropped. There was a paid out of court settlement, that is not the same thing. There are also multiple other girls in the aussie metal scene who have never come forward because they don’t want to be part of the witch hunt which has happened twice already. before you accuse others of regurgitating false information, get your facts straight.
another thing, nobody is talking about all the related to the NON musical aspects. the video is similar to the... HYPEREAL DEATH SCENE and ... THE COVER...... is a parody of DEALER's album cover.
these bands are benefitting from the drama they keep making lol. the fact is if OG Dealer didn't end the way it did, we wouldn't have all these bands making heavy music.
@@unbounder no now everybody realized that he is indeed a clout chaser and milking the past for him to benefit and trying to breed and manipulate other bands to spread hate on his enemy making the scene so toxic I think he should stick to his lame ass rapping
Nah. Doesn’t help this track guitar riff sounds a lot like Alpha-Wolf’s Akudama riff. Also the “diss” shtick is cringe by now since it’s been like 5 years. Like seriously, after all this time these guys are still mad his ex-band mate was mean to them 😂?
I just got recommended this band, good shiii but I’m seeing a lot of people talk about this being a diss track. Can someone plz explain the drama to me lol
Heavensgate’s guitarist Josh Ang was formerly in a band called Dealer. They were pretty big in the scene until everyone in the band left due to allegations of abuse from the lead vocalist Aiden Holmes, as well as a sexual assault charge. It seemed like Josh Ang in particular suffered the worst from Aiden’s emotional abuse. Dealer has now returned with a full length album and a new lineup, featuring a former Heavensgate guitarist. Needless to say, there’s a lot of internal strife between everyone involved.
It's got nothing to do with Destiny 2. It runs back to the 1500's where people observed rats becoming intertwined or stuck together by their tails or other body parts. In the screen that shows up at the end of the song, you see the red rats stuck together by their tails.
Why are the ex dealer members so salty about someone being mean? If they actually cared about the safety of assault survivors why would they have started dealer with aiden after he was kicked out of alpha wolf for allegations. This whole beef and every band Involved is morally corrupt. I wouldnt be able to live with myself if i platformed an abuser
Chasing clout. The husk of Dealer still pulls more attention than either new band. I think Josh is insanely talented and I really like HG but both projects don't have 'it' so they're latching onto what they have...an association with an incredibly popular release that they can leverage to take some easy shots at a guy the "community" decided is persona non grata. Nobody wants to come out and say it but that's really the only reason people dickride these bands and especially Josh so hard. You see people here going off about what a fucking wizard Josh is but his name isn't anywhere in the credits for this song lmao. I really like HG and thought they had the potential to be big on their own so it's disappointing to see them lean so hard into this shit, they don't need it. Though I guess I'd be pissed too if I just lost a band member to the guy I already had a falling out with.
this genre just gets better and better🤣 got to admit, i like dealers mixing the most in the genre, but heavensgates breakdowns go craazy heavy musically the 2 top tier bands of the genre without a doubt
like...its good you know? but it isn't HG, this feels like dealer with a much better vocalist, and it could be a diss track becaouse Jack leave HG to join delaer, so...idk man, is not a killer like violent joy or the all ep xd
idk dude, this is infinitely harder than anything off their release EP. i really like this sound better than that release. as a dude who way overplayed the fuck out of violent joy this is comparably good if not better and 100% this is a very multi-layered diss track towards Dealer & the member who left for Dealer (knowing the drama with Josh) this song is killer. nearly made me break my fucking forehead on the table. idk dude it hits like a freight train for me
@@eljacoboese.in4ksee that's the thing, jack left the band because he didn't like that he didn't have much hand in writing the HG EP because in reality josh, David, Erik(loathe guitarist), Kofi wrote the EP, he even stated that there was internal drama that him and Aki(bass player watch unfold)and naz left the band 3 times(according to him) because of personal problems. And it makes sense because when I was checking out HG's Instagram Naz wasn't in their following list for awhile which is how grayscale bands identify who's in the band. Also doesn't help that Jack's father had passed away shortly after the EP was released. So basically jack left because of lack of creative input, internal drama and loss of father.
guys are you really still into this freakin conflict that happens a YEARS ago? Can you stop being such a kids? You sound like a Dealer, you have visuals like a Dealer, you have references to Dealer's tracks, you made a whole song about Dealer. Wtf is wrong with you? btw, Dealer is still better, no offense
You can't necessarily copyright a specific sound. It's just their style. Doesn't help the fact that Josh and David were literally the guys who wrote the SB EP.
Honestly y’all need to grow up I’m done with this shit lads y’all beefing and having civil war against each other about the past while bands like Knocked loose dominating the charts and overtaking the metal/hardcore scene including aus. Josh and Aidan you guys are disgrace to this whole scene stop being clout chasers especially you josh you really need to grow up stop acting like a kid and metalcore jesus. lastly to Heavensgate dont let josh manipulate you lol make your own identity
To the people who think this is "Clout chasing" because they're like Dealer you fail to realize BOTH Ex-Dealer composers are in this band. David Wilder and Josh Ang both founding members of Dealer were pushed out by Aiden. This isn't them trying to catch the tail of Dealer's sound. This is a bitter rivalry of old friends and bandmates, and I'm all for it if that means we get bangers like this.
Oh look it’s the Sub-Zero room, the lore runs deep 😂
now that is poetry
“separate art from artist with a head cut off” that was so tuff
Can't wait to see this live sunday
Only heard of you boys yesterday when you performed at the Enmore theatre, and I wish I discovered you sooner. Absolute fucken bangers, you guys are pretty underrated.
Big ooopphhh! This ones a HEATER!!! Shot HG
Looks like that coffee aint happening. 😂
Banger, as always!
thats hilarious, iykyk xD
Makes sense why the single cover art reminder me of Dealers new art theme
I seen the cover on AM & knew it wasn’t a coincidence
"I came to bury the hatchet In your fucking head" and "Separate art from artist With a head cut off" are so unbelievably hard. HG went Kendrick Lamar on Dealer and it makes my stomach fluttery
i think we got another diss track guys
“another” as in one of the previous Heavensgate tracks were also a diss track or as in just another diss track in general?
@@DennisHanson-wh7gv so.. pincer+ release "pulling strings" to diss. josh work for these two band
@@DennisHanson-wh7gv the previous one was pulling strings by pincer+
@@sayairvanalif ooooo okay thank you
@@DennisHanson-wh7gvI think pincers and HGs tracks and cover art of rat king and pulling strings are jabbing at dealer after Aiden was a bitch and forced them out
とてつもなくかっこいい！
I watched a man get punched in the face to this song on Instagram reels and now I'm here.
OMFG the lyrics ✨✨
You guys killed it at The Workers Club!
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
holy shit that was brutal
anti-dealer core
What what happened? I need to know
That was phenomenal 🔥🔥🔥
Bring it.
My body is ready
This is such a banger.
Spicy ✨
Vibes 😤🔥🇦🇺🔥🤘
This might be the heaviest diss track ever.
masterpiece
Mmmm v v lush indeed , heavy guys
This was insane 🤘🏼🔥
Let's goo
What A Banger 🤘💣!
B A N G E R 😤
Farrrggiinn Rips RIGHT? Lets go BAYBEE!!
You guys are savage and coming back harder than ever with this 🔥🔥🔥
Why am I just discovering these guys now? What a fucking banger JEEZZ 🔥🔥
Straight HEATER 🔥😭✨
Holy fuuuuuuccccccckkkkk !!!! SICK!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🖤🖤🖤🤘😜
Ooey
🔥🔥🔥🔥
HARD
good LORDY this is hard
banger 🔥🔥🔥
This song is NASTY. Gets me excited for more stuff from these guys.
2:41 ouch
For a second I thought Ratking was releasing music again :(
good thing this is much better
OMFG
🔥
1:59 how lars wishes his snare sounded on st anger
Phat 🤘🏼
I don't care if they just dropped an album, Aidan needs to drop a rebuttal after this
ehhh itll just end up sounding like another Josh Ang rip off like the whole Dealer album did
@ohbxnny6299 sounded great. One of my top albums this year
@@EastonTaylor-o9b yeah the mix was good I just feel like Dealer doesn’t hold a candle to HEAVENSGATE or Pincer+ because what made dealer special is in these bands now. I just feel like they’re trying desperately to get the sound Josh Ang created and Aiden’s vocals are very meh especially compared to Nazareth (HEAVENSGATE vocalist) and I find it hard to respect a guy that’s been kicked out of pretty much every band he’s been in. but that’s just my opinion and I respect yours!
@@ohbxnny6299let’s face it. The band wasn’t all just Josh, yeah he wrote for the band, but at the time they were in a band. That’s typically how it goes, rarely does a band all get together in a room and write songs together like it was back in the day. Most of the time one member has more of a hand in the writing pot then the rest of them do. It happened to be Josh. But to sit hear and say Aiden’s lyrics and vocals don’t define dealer just as much as the instrumentals do is crazy. The duo of Josh and Aiden is what made it sick, just cuz Josh is gone dosent mean Aiden has to totally change the style of music. People like dealer for the weird guitar noises and chunky riffs, that dosent cease to exist in new dealer music just because Josh is gone. Obviously they’re gonna stick to a certain sound. You can’t trademark drop f guitar riffs with harmonics. I thought the new dealer album sounded different from soul burn and saint. Mainly in the structure and vibe, just felt faster and grittier, and a little more dark comparatively.
@@Chadreactz i didnt anywhere say that Aidens vocals didnt define Dealer because in a way they totally did. But compared to Nazareth and even the Pincer+ vocalist Aiden just all that unique and isnt as talented vocally as those two IMO. so to me Heavensgate scratches the itch that i had for dealer when they were up and coming and to me personally heavensgate is just leagues better. But like like i said its just my opinion and you have yours and thats fine! And yes you cant trademark drop E with harmonics but when you hear old dealer and pincer+/heavensgate songs you just know thats that Josh Ang sound and riffage (given this new Heavensgate song was written by the other guitarist David)
Diss tracks hit so much harder when you can drop an absolutely disgusting breakdown
Unbelievably fucking tuff :O
Holy shiiiiit those bars are pure rage and i love it.
Sheesh
Woot woot
This is dope.
Yay for not supporting vocalists who are garbage people.
What happened
@@RyanHarville Dealer vocalist had allegations (charges were dropped) throne his way, entire metal scene believes it despite only being unfounded allegations, and a bunch of ex-bandmates/people entirely unrelated to Dealer themselves start taking shots because it's the cool thing to do without ever thinking about how they'd feel if the shoe was on the other foot. Look up something like "Dealer band allegations" or something of that sort and you'll find what you need.
Look into it and come to your own conclusion. Don't be like the moron you responded to, who's clearly just regurgitating false information because other people told him what to believe.
@@icanmakeeverythingilovedie9861 got it thanks!
@@icanmakeeverythingilovedie9861
the dealer vocalist has multiple allegations against him, even from alpha wolf days. Also the charges were not simply dropped. There was a out of court settlement with the victim for $8000, that is not the same thing. There are also multiple other girls in the aussie metal scene who have never come forward because they don’t want to be part of the witch hunt which has happened twice already.
before you accuse others of regurgitating false information, get your facts straight.
the dealer vocalist has multiple allegations against him, even from alpha wolf days. Also the charges were not simply dropped. There was a paid out of court settlement, that is not the same thing. There are also multiple other girls in the aussie metal scene who have never come forward because they don’t want to be part of the witch hunt which has happened twice already.
before you accuse others of regurgitating false information, get your facts straight.
This is dope but is the mix kinda quiet or am I tripping? Maybe it's just UA-cam
another thing, nobody is talking about all the related to the NON musical aspects.
the video is similar to the... HYPEREAL DEATH SCENE and ... THE COVER...... is a parody of DEALER's album cover.
777 ❤
Josh Ang is a fuckin wizard, dude. His playing is next level creative and the tone is immaculate.
Fucks/10
hard
Fuck yeah, this is tough
greatest breakdown of all time
Hardcore af
Fucking fantastic fam
Fuck yeah 🔥🔥🔥
violated my ears💀
The title and the haircut almost had me thinking Theo Von started a band
holy fuck
holy fuck
holy fuck
holy fuck
holy FUCK
I am deceased
these bands are benefitting from the drama they keep making lol. the fact is if OG Dealer didn't end the way it did, we wouldn't have all these bands making heavy music.
aka if aiden didnt sexually assault people then it'd be fine
My favorite Clout-core band brought to you by josh ang 🔥
Greyscale has been taking notes from Sharptone…
This song is harder than I am 👀
Fuck...
We get it Josh, you have beef with Aidan still lol
He has every right to, clearly you don't know the whole picture. If you don't like it you're more than welcome to sook about it on a Dealer song?
@@unbounder no now everybody realized that he is indeed a clout chaser and milking the past for him to benefit and trying to breed and manipulate other bands to spread hate on his enemy making the scene so toxic I think he should stick to his lame ass rapping
You guys have to agree, this diss track is better than the whole Dealer's album.
not at all but still banger
Both are great!
I mean I like dealer it’s all disposable pissedcore shlock at the end of the day, if it compels these guys to make music then hell yeah
Nah. Doesn’t help this track guitar riff sounds a lot like Alpha-Wolf’s Akudama riff. Also the “diss” shtick is cringe by now since it’s been like 5 years. Like seriously, after all this time these guys are still mad his ex-band mate was mean to them 😂?
Bang on the money. 🎯
thanks God we have these guys and Dealer having a beef on each other so we can get ASWESOME tracks like this and NOOM LP . love your hate xD
I just got recommended this band, good shiii but I’m seeing a lot of people talk about this being a diss track. Can someone plz explain the drama to me lol
Heavensgate’s guitarist Josh Ang was formerly in a band called Dealer. They were pretty big in the scene until everyone in the band left due to allegations of abuse from the lead vocalist Aiden Holmes, as well as a sexual assault charge. It seemed like Josh Ang in particular suffered the worst from Aiden’s emotional abuse. Dealer has now returned with a full length album and a new lineup, featuring a former Heavensgate guitarist.
Needless to say, there’s a lot of internal strife between everyone involved.
HEAVENSGATE confirmed Destiny 2 fans
Exotic tune for an exotic gun
It's got nothing to do with Destiny 2. It runs back to the 1500's where people observed rats becoming intertwined or stuck together by their tails or other body parts. In the screen that shows up at the end of the song, you see the red rats stuck together by their tails.
Or Theo von lmao
Why do I feel like the bury the hatchet in your head is an ice nine kills reference and not a Kendrick one
This beef is ancient at this point. Move on lads
These people is like the mountain smashing Overyns head xDDD
25th comment, let's go!
Yo I'm about this beef metal fam
Why are the ex dealer members so salty about someone being mean? If they actually cared about the safety of assault survivors why would they have started dealer with aiden after he was kicked out of alpha wolf for allegations. This whole beef and every band Involved is morally corrupt. I wouldnt be able to live with myself if i platformed an abuser
Chasing clout. The husk of Dealer still pulls more attention than either new band. I think Josh is insanely talented and I really like HG but both projects don't have 'it' so they're latching onto what they have...an association with an incredibly popular release that they can leverage to take some easy shots at a guy the "community" decided is persona non grata.
Nobody wants to come out and say it but that's really the only reason people dickride these bands and especially Josh so hard. You see people here going off about what a fucking wizard Josh is but his name isn't anywhere in the credits for this song lmao. I really like HG and thought they had the potential to be big on their own so it's disappointing to see them lean so hard into this shit, they don't need it.
Though I guess I'd be pissed too if I just lost a band member to the guy I already had a falling out with.
Context please?
6 years ago these guys started a band a guy who was mean to them and they haven’t gotten over it
@@errantvice7335 Thanks!
сильно, жирно - прям как я люблю!))))))))
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this genre just gets better and better🤣 got to admit, i like dealers mixing the most in the genre, but heavensgates breakdowns go craazy heavy
musically the 2 top tier bands of the genre without a doubt
What's the context guys? Did Aiden fkd up again!
To much drama for me lmao I'm not a kid. I'm going back to hear some Boundaries.
(song still good but yeah...)
New order of Temu
Dealer, pt. 2 LMAO
like...its good you know? but it isn't HG, this feels like dealer with a much better vocalist, and it could be a diss track becaouse Jack leave HG to join delaer, so...idk man, is not a killer like violent joy or the all ep xd
idk dude, this is infinitely harder than anything off their release EP. i really like this sound better than that release.
as a dude who way overplayed the fuck out of violent joy this is comparably good if not better
and 100% this is a very multi-layered diss track towards Dealer & the member who left for Dealer (knowing the drama with Josh)
this song is killer. nearly made me break my fucking forehead on the table. idk dude it hits like a freight train for me
But the mastermind of Pincer+ and HG is Josh so don't forget to thanks Josh for this
i know i know but dude, josh admitted that david wrote a big oart of the song
@@eljacoboese.in4ksee that's the thing, jack left the band because he didn't like that he didn't have much hand in writing the HG EP because in reality josh, David, Erik(loathe guitarist), Kofi wrote the EP, he even stated that there was internal drama that him and Aki(bass player watch unfold)and naz left the band 3 times(according to him) because of personal problems. And it makes sense because when I was checking out HG's Instagram Naz wasn't in their following list for awhile which is how grayscale bands identify who's in the band. Also doesn't help that Jack's father had passed away shortly after the EP was released.
So basically jack left because of lack of creative input, internal drama and loss of father.
@@donovanolguin6549 first of all, kofi wasnt in the first ep, oh, i didnt know that jack father died
guys are you really still into this freakin conflict that happens a YEARS ago? Can you stop being such a kids? You sound like a Dealer, you have visuals like a Dealer, you have references to Dealer's tracks, you made a whole song about Dealer. Wtf is wrong with you? btw, Dealer is still better, no offense
Descent track. Dealer still on top though 😉
Some people need to learn to let go
lol
Can someone explain why this is a diss track?
the other guitarist for heavensgate left the band to join Dealer
My song for nijisanji
And somehow Dealer sound better. It's funny to call out the band and at the same time try to sound like them.
No shot
You can't necessarily copyright a specific sound. It's just their style. Doesn't help the fact that Josh and David were literally the guys who wrote the SB EP.
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Honestly y’all need to grow up I’m done with this shit lads y’all beefing and having civil war against each other about the past while bands like Knocked loose dominating the charts and overtaking the metal/hardcore scene including aus. Josh and Aidan you guys are disgrace to this whole scene stop being clout chasers especially you josh you really need to grow up stop acting like a kid and metalcore jesus. lastly to Heavensgate dont let josh manipulate you lol make your own identity
Wait a minute, you're in that sub reddit aren't you? Saying metalcore Jesus right?
Can y'all stop fucking whining about Dealer already?
It's just that a small group attracts as much attention as possible