Unsheltered bike storage and lack of priority pedestrian walkways to the existing nearby developments and hospital seem like huge oversights. It could be many years before this place gets significant usage.
I entirely agree that 'lack of priority pedestrian walkways to the existing nearby developments and hospital seem like huge oversights.' These horrendous errors should be rectified immediately.
@@mattyu1008 Yeah, YRT is all about flashy new infrastructure that politicians can buy votes with, while providing very poor service and frequiences for people who actually use it. Despire not having any dedicated lanes, and a much smaller budget, in many ways Brampton's ZUM service is actually better for users just because its frequent.
Lol the busses don't stop at the hospital anymore, but they didn't put a crosswalk in to get you across the road to the hospital? The pedestrian and bike infra that would have made this actually useful isn't even planned? This would be like the cheapest part of this whole thing. Two pairs of curb bumpouts and some white paint.
How was this $50 million, it's literally pavenment and a few walls. With that money you'd expect paths and tunnels to those neighbouring buildings, as well as a more impressive waiiting room.
Couldn't make it today so thanks for making a video! The terminal looks nice but also very overbuilt, even with new development a smaller terminal likely could have worked just fine
What's the point of adding a bus terminal in a car centric suburb? Nobody is taking the bus, since they are infrequent, go nowhere and get stuck in car traffic. Problem is the horrible car centric suburbs, they have no soul or culture, they all look the same. Canada needs to build walkable cities.
Its a work in progress. You can’t build a walkable city overnight. This is a step in the right direction though if the planned TOD for the area works out. Otherwise I do agree with you that it’s a bit of an awkward placement for a bus terminal.
It seems to only be a YRT problem. Transit in Brampton and Mississauga have people actually using it despite still being car centric suburbs because they also have walkable communities and now have busways/express routes that use the nearby highways
@@Amir-qz4bn I don't live in the GTA nor in Canada for that matter but from I what see from observation videos, development outside of Toronto tends to spread westward into Hamilton and London, so Mississauga & Brampton have the opportunity to build themselves out like walkable metroplexes but YRT is in an area of nothingness (no disrespect) so "maybe" in a quarter century YRT's coverage would be more "city oriented" but, at the moment, a horse & wagon would have as much success as YRT
@@Amir-qz4bn Brampton and Mississauga aren't any more walkable than Markham/York. They just have more older areas with social housing like Toronto and multiple Indian families crammed into single houses.
So you have a terminal that is not easily accessible by pedestrians in the nearby communities or hospital, and there is no parking for commuters to park and ride. So what are their target passengers?
I wonder what was the reason behind this chosen location. Fancy terminal does not attract riders. A transit system should connect with points of interest. It is a shame that it is lacking a sidewalk that connects the hospital. Can you imagine how someone can cross that requires a wheelchair? Better yet, during winter time? Markham( and the rest of GTA) should relax the number of parking requirements for all commercial development. Crossing the sea of parking is the biggest turn-off when comparing public transit vs cars. Improve walkability will make public transit far more attractive than buildling fancy stations in the middle of nowhere.
You have to think *fourth dimensionally*... It looks like a 50 million dollar fenced-off transit station next to a highway in the middle of nowhere now, but when you get to the other side of the 20 year plan the bustling hub of transit oriented development *will be there*. Your kids are gonna love it.
I don't know how I feel about these projects that are meant to attract development in the future... it's good to plan ahead but when you have existing areas of the GTA that are starving for better transit now, I think the money would be better spent in areas where the ridership and development already exists.
Love the video but I do not like the terminal. Just seems like a costly vanity project to say 'Hey everyone! We're investing in public transportation!🤓' without all the fundamentals to make it "public" Is there any reason why the terminal wasn't integrated into the medical campus?... Heck, was it too hard for them to install a crosswalk?
$50M CAD (€38.2 EUR, $37.8 USD) for just 7 bus routes sounds like a huge outlay? I can only assume that bus frequency increases and new development is expected off the back of this investment? You do highlight some key oversights in this new development the lack of pedestrian routes to local housing seems a basic mistake and for a terminal/interchange point designed to serve a hospital I didn't see an easy walking route to it either. Surely a covered weather proofed route to the Hospital should have been an essential part of the plan.
Thank you for a super video. I (Roger Sexton) am sitting in my apartment in Nottingham (England) admiring this fantastic new bus terminal opened only a few hours ago! I do however note Fraptero's concerns regarding pedestrian and bike access. How close is the terminal to the hospital?
Thanks for the update on this Greater Golden Horseshoe transit expansion project. Would love to see you make more stuff. Your work is great. Thanks for all you do.
It will get done but I don’t have a timeline - the video is 100% original research which involves going through hundreds of old VIA timetables to compile. I’m waiting for the weather to cool down a bit so I’m not stuck indoors all summer
@@VanishingUnderground Alright, I can wait longer just remember, I first asked for it a year ago and already then it was delayed. Also, no wonder it's taking so long if you have to siphen through old timetables, I personally couldn't find a lick of information anywhere. So you can't give a timeframe but can we get a rough estimate?
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I'm not sure how many people would travel between York and Durham by bus, especially with a permanent rural area in between and the regions not being very integrated anyways. Even DRT-TTC transit connections are pretty weak.
Unsheltered bike storage and lack of priority pedestrian walkways to the existing nearby developments and hospital seem like huge oversights. It could be many years before this place gets significant usage.
I entirely agree that 'lack of priority pedestrian walkways to the existing nearby developments and hospital seem like huge oversights.' These horrendous errors should be rectified immediately.
Yep, it's far from from perfect.
knowing yrt/ vivia (am a Markham resident) This terminal will never ever see significant usage
@@mattyu1008 Yeah, YRT is all about flashy new infrastructure that politicians can buy votes with, while providing very poor service and frequiences for people who actually use it. Despire not having any dedicated lanes, and a much smaller budget, in many ways Brampton's ZUM service is actually better for users just because its frequent.
Lol the busses don't stop at the hospital anymore, but they didn't put a crosswalk in to get you across the road to the hospital?
The pedestrian and bike infra that would have made this actually useful isn't even planned? This would be like the cheapest part of this whole thing. Two pairs of curb bumpouts and some white paint.
It is pretty ridiculous to build a fancy bus terminal without letting people access it safely.
@@smallmj2886 This sounds like Houston, TX tbh 😂
How was this $50 million, it's literally pavenment and a few walls. With that money you'd expect paths and tunnels to those neighbouring buildings, as well as a more impressive waiiting room.
Couldn't make it today so thanks for making a video! The terminal looks nice but also very overbuilt, even with new development a smaller terminal likely could have worked just fine
Probably one of the best transport channels on YT! Also, why does it seem all transport channels originate from Canada?
I notice that (sorry late reply), rm transit, vanishing and not just bikes are all from Canada (and have connections to toronto)
What's the point of adding a bus terminal in a car centric suburb? Nobody is taking the bus, since they are infrequent, go nowhere and get stuck in car traffic. Problem is the horrible car centric suburbs, they have no soul or culture, they all look the same. Canada needs to build walkable cities.
Its a work in progress. You can’t build a walkable city overnight. This is a step in the right direction though if the planned TOD for the area works out. Otherwise I do agree with you that it’s a bit of an awkward placement for a bus terminal.
“Whoops, we gave all the prime real estate to developers… guess there’s some land here, let’s overbuild the shit outta this glorified concrete pad”
It seems to only be a YRT problem. Transit in Brampton and Mississauga have people actually using it despite still being car centric suburbs because they also have walkable communities and now have busways/express routes that use the nearby highways
@@Amir-qz4bn I don't live in the GTA nor in Canada for that matter but from I what see from observation videos, development outside of Toronto tends to spread westward into Hamilton and London, so Mississauga & Brampton have the opportunity to build themselves out like walkable metroplexes but YRT is in an area of nothingness (no disrespect) so "maybe" in a quarter century YRT's coverage would be more "city oriented" but, at the moment, a horse & wagon would have as much success as YRT
@@Amir-qz4bn Brampton and Mississauga aren't any more walkable than Markham/York. They just have more older areas with social housing like Toronto and multiple Indian families crammed into single houses.
So you have a terminal that is not easily accessible by pedestrians in the nearby communities or hospital, and there is no parking for commuters to park and ride. So what are their target passengers?
I doubt anyone with a car is going to park here just take a city bus.
Not the best location for a major bus terminal. More thought should have been put into this before construction had started.
I wonder what was the reason behind this chosen location. Fancy terminal does not attract riders. A transit system should connect with points of interest.
It is a shame that it is lacking a sidewalk that connects the hospital. Can you imagine how someone can cross that requires a wheelchair? Better yet, during winter time?
Markham( and the rest of GTA) should relax the number of parking requirements for all commercial development. Crossing the sea of parking is the biggest turn-off when comparing public transit vs cars. Improve walkability will make public transit far more attractive than buildling fancy stations in the middle of nowhere.
So excited for this to finally open! Hopefully Durham Region connects their services to it soon to service more inter-regional demand.
I’m hopeful that DRT will bring service to Markham sooner rather than later… they’ve been fairly proactive with service expansion during the pandemic
I drove past it the other day. It looks fantastic, but it also strikes me as being in the middle of nowhere.
Weird to see a terminal like this that isn't at a subway station.
This looks like a bus terminal that’s designed to be exclusively accessed by car 🤦♂️ let’s hope the TOD plans work out
That is my considered reaction, having read the comments about poor bike and pedestrian access.
Except it also can't be accessed by car...
You have to think *fourth dimensionally*... It looks like a 50 million dollar fenced-off transit station next to a highway in the middle of nowhere now, but when you get to the other side of the 20 year plan the bustling hub of transit oriented development *will be there*. Your kids are gonna love it.
@@bonemar66 well, you're the doc, doc
*powers up flux capacitor*
$10m over is *cheap* in Ontario Transit normalcy. 🤣
I don't know how I feel about these projects that are meant to attract development in the future... it's good to plan ahead but when you have existing areas of the GTA that are starving for better transit now, I think the money would be better spent in areas where the ridership and development already exists.
Love the video but I do not like the terminal.
Just seems like a costly vanity project to say 'Hey everyone! We're investing in public transportation!🤓' without all the fundamentals to make it "public"
Is there any reason why the terminal wasn't integrated into the medical campus?... Heck, was it too hard for them to install a crosswalk?
When is the next evolution of the network video
$50M CAD (€38.2 EUR, $37.8 USD) for just 7 bus routes sounds like a huge outlay? I can only assume that bus frequency increases and new development is expected off the back of this investment? You do highlight some key oversights in this new development the lack of pedestrian routes to local housing seems a basic mistake and for a terminal/interchange point designed to serve a hospital I didn't see an easy walking route to it either. Surely a covered weather proofed route to the Hospital should have been an essential part of the plan.
This area isn't exactly fully developed yet. Give it time then you'll see whether it's a worthy investment.
Thank you for a super video. I (Roger Sexton) am sitting in my apartment in Nottingham (England) admiring this fantastic new bus terminal opened only a few hours ago! I do however note Fraptero's concerns regarding pedestrian and bike access. How close is the terminal to the hospital?
It’s about a 175m walk if you’re able bodied and don’t mind cutting through a parking lot
Wow this took an eternity for it to open. I’ve always seen this on VIVA maps since the very beginning
@Vanishing Underground This Is A Amazing Video And What’s Next?
Thanks for the update on this Greater Golden Horseshoe transit expansion project. Would love to see you make more stuff. Your work is great. Thanks for all you do.
Nice
Ooh nice, a new expensive transits Termianla
Also Vanishing Underground how's Via Rail part 3 coming along? Or is it cancelled?
It will get done but I don’t have a timeline - the video is 100% original research which involves going through hundreds of old VIA timetables to compile. I’m waiting for the weather to cool down a bit so I’m not stuck indoors all summer
@@VanishingUnderground Alright, I can wait longer just remember, I first asked for it a year ago and already then it was delayed. Also, no wonder it's taking so long if you have to siphen through old timetables, I personally couldn't find a lick of information anywhere. So you can't give a timeframe but can we get a rough estimate?
They should’ve waited to build us no connections to the hospital or to the house across the street. That’s crazy two years late and over budget.
"future TOD"
And here I was wondering where all the walkable land uses nearby were.
Now all they need to do is actually run the BRT services frequently… oh wait
Looks like a waist of money just like all the new bus stops such as the ones on highway7!
Will be checking out this terminal this Thursday.
Waste of markham tex payer money totally useless terminal
I know it’s just a bus terminal, the design could be better.
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White elephant project
Looks cool
This is a nice terminal but it is definitely missing the sidewalk to the hospital!
No connection to DRT. No parking. No sidewalk to the hospital. That's not going to be good in the winter.
I'm not sure how many people would travel between York and Durham by bus, especially with a permanent rural area in between and the regions not being very integrated anyways. Even DRT-TTC transit connections are pretty weak.
@@ALuimes otherwise you need to travel to STC.
Great video Zack, Can we share your video? We are the contractor who did all the cladding of the Terminal
For sure!
50 (!) million (!!!) !
It's finially done