Canon R5 400 MP IBIS High Resolution Mode Firmware 1.8.1 Disappointment
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- The promise of being able to take 400MP photos on my EOS CanonR5 following Canon's Firmware update 1.8.1, using their IBIS High Resolution Mode, had me insanely excited. But now I'm left with an overwhelming feeling of disappointment.
Leave a comment below if you have had similar experiences, or you can point out what I might need to do differently to get a photo that is any better than just blowing up an ordinary sized jpg and sharpening it?
EDIT: for those wanting to know a bit more about the technicalities of the test - I was using a EF 24-70 f/2.8L lens with with a Canon Mount Adaptor EF-EOS R. Camera was on a tripod set to a 2 second timer to avoid camera shake.
Photo was shot on the windowsill with natural daylight.
FURTHER EDIT: In response to some of points that are being made in the comments -
If this firmware update promising 400mp photos, is only useable if you have a 10 second timer (or remote release), on a tripod that won't be affected by the heat of the sun, or a truck driving past less than a mile away, and can't be used in anything other than natural daylight, and can't be handheld, and can't shoot anything that has any movement or micro-wobble, and even if all of that is dealt with then there are very few lenses which could cope with it anyway, then this is not a useful, useable update in any meaningful use of the term for 99.9% of photographers - or at least 99.9% of the photography I use my camera for.
So despite all the suggestions related to the above, I remain disappointed that this is not what I felt we were being promised.
I recommend a 10 second delay, and use the touch screen to release the shutter. I got great results but also used a very heavy duty tripod... even tiny movement gives the little white sawtooth artifacts. I'm shooting artwork, so the perfect immobilized subject. My complaint is that I need the raw file to pull out shadow details.... So I work around by bracketing exposure and stacking
Kim please do more test examples. My experience has been the exact opposite. I find the level of detail on my High Resolution shots just absolutely incredible in detail.
This is def weird some got awesome results and some less awesome
What lens were you using? I disabled IS on my lens, and shot using a 70-200 at 70mm f/2.8. I did not have the same problem, the high resolution file looked amazing. Viewing it side by side with a base 45mp raw image, the jpeg was absolutely superior visually. I used the 10 second timer.
I was using a EF 24-70 f/2.8L USM lens with a Canon Mount Adaptor EF-EOS R
@@kimayres The presence of artifacts means that there was a micro-shake at the time of the shooting. Ensure maximum camera stability and disable lens stabilization, and then repeat the experience. I think the result will be bett
Something must be going wrong with you. I just tried this out on a tripod and the hi res shot has more detail and less noise than the standard shot. Topaz Denise ai removed the noise but there is still more detail in the hi res image. I have also not found any artifacts. That said I can see a difference at 300 % and there is not a huge difference after using topaz Denise which also sharpens the image. The hi res shot looks more natural and does not appear to have the problems and artifacts that you get when processing with Topaz. You might need to do quite large prints to see the difference.
I see the same interpolation noise as you - which makes it unusable - better to simply use the RAW 'enhance' process to double the existing RAW image. Method used. - Locked off, 50 ISO - Canon L series 100mm macro lens.
Exactly same issue indeed. oh well hopefully they fix it in a future release
Updated min and it's fantastic. Using it on a tripod with a 2s delay trigger, it's mind blowing. Of course raw would have been nice. But for some of my VFX work, jpg is enough and I just need sheer resolution (that's why I have a 45mpx camera in the first place). The option to dial 400mpx is amazing, can't wait to test it in production
How is it for your VFX work?
@@gaips Pretty great actually, got to use it once
It's the results of any pixel shift that relies on ibis, the point was to take away a check Sony used to get for having the same disappointing result.
Although I think if you take the 400mp Version and reduce it to 100mp the results should be better. I personally shoot RAW and that's the disappointment for me.
My experience exactly. Underwhelmed would be an understatement. My only conclusion is that the whole R5 super mega firmware update was an April Fool joke by Canon (or Canon rumours) as all we got was a 402m pixel file of junk. None of the other stuff rumoured was included either, like removal of the 30 min record limit and more autofocus subjects. We've all been had. I expect a note in Canon Rumours tomorrow ... "LMAO ... We got you !"
Exactly, it was a RUMOR....Canon never said they would do anything else.
The fact is that Canon did not promis anything. And the fact after the update is that for me it does not help me much.
For heaven’s sake! Who on earth actually needs to shoot more than 30 minutes continuous on a Canon R5? Probably 0.01% of the population and 99% claiming they need it because everyone else says they need it!
@@philfyphil exactly all you have is here are folks complaining about a camera they don’t even own. I own the r5 and did the firmware upgrade. The 400 MP High Resolution shots are just absolutely stunning in detail.
Did you use an RF lens David or EF and a adaptor ?
As expected... not to mention that the single shot is also pretty soft to start with
Your result looks like the IS was working between the pictures, at least somehow. The only other option would be the tripod or the floor are oscillating. After years with Olympus and Panasonic I never saw such a result from these 2 systems. I know from the past that Canon needs often some time to adopt new functions, but normally when they release it, they do it right and it will work This first version of this HighRes functions seems really crappy…
The problem you got, is that the camera was moving. Using a remote trigger and a good tripod eliminating any shaking, you get a very good picture.
He said he used a 2 Second timer and a tripod…any other suggestions? Cos this is a very common review of this new feature unfortunately
@@EverythingCameFromNothing I used ISO 200, exposure 1/100 sec. F/4 (Canon RF 24-70 IS-off). Tripod + shutter timer. I really liked the result . Subjectively, the difference turned out to be like between FHD and 4K.
@@RomarioZh That’s great 😊 Seems like this feature works for some and not for others. There are so many factors that could be coming into play. Hopefully Canon is able to improve on the success rate as time goes on 😊
It's interesting that you get this result even with using a tripod. Are you sure there hasn't been any movement at all? Because I don't have any issues at all and get a super crisp nice image out of cam. These artifacts that occur in your test shots are coming only from movement, so something has to have happened in your situation, even if it only was a "microscopic" movement. I'm really curious what's going on there, would love to know if you could get it fixed somehow. Because then we know what to take care of while setting up and shooting. Thank you for this test!
Hi Robert - I had the camera set on a 2 second timer to eliminate camera shake by clicking the button. Perhaps a lorry was was driving past on a nearby road, or perhaps there was an minor earthquake on the other side of the world. But if we have to take these things into consideration, then it feels like this 400mp option isn't ever really going to be practical :(
@@kimayres I guess so, some slight movement caused by outer circumstances might be the most probable cause. The learning for me is now, that the high resolution function is (as communicated here in Austria) only for very slow (studio) photography or architecture/landscape with wind speeds at 0 ktn. Product shots in an stable environment is the best used case imho.
I guess the stabilization gets turned off when using the function in order to manage the precise sensor shifting. In order to overcome the issue (I think) it's necessary to combine stabilization and high resolution. But therefore the cpu needed to calculate the exact amount of movement caused by stabilization and use this as calculation basis for the needed amount and direction of high resolution shift. But that's just an assumption.
In the end I'm happy about the firmware update, because if I know when I can use the new function it's of great benefit for me. And maybe we will get an improved version of the high resolution. Like we did with the overheating. I'm curious 😊
Same for me, it worked very well. Would I have preferred a raw version of it ? Yes of course. I can see some use cases for this "gimmick", but don't expect to use it often. It comes for free so I'll have it. 🙂
@@mwnl5990 I agree in everything
I think you are trying to do too many difficult things at once.
As others have pointed out, you need a very solid support for the camera. Heavy tripod, no flexible centre column, everything clamped down tight, and a good solid floor. Delayed shutter release or a remote is a must.
But you are also taking a photo of a fairly small object at close range. It's not in macro territory, but certainly in high magnification area. Flexible platform and support equipment and vibration will destroy a high magnification image.
Maybe try a shot of stationary object at a few yards - other end of a room, maybe?
I'm curious if you used the updated version of Canon DPP (v. 4.17.20) to check the image compared to Photoshop. Also, did you update the EOS Utility software to v. 3.16.11? I doubt it's going to make a lick of difference, but at least we can see if the ugly pixelation issue also exists in Canon's own software.
Based on Canon's download details:
1. Adds [IBIS High resolution shot] to the camera menu. By utilizing the in-body IS mechanism, it is now possible to record images with higher resolution.*
*Use EOS Utility/Digital Photo Professional to check the images. EOS Utility/Digital Photo Professional will need to be upgraded.
Also, was your lens IS turned on or off?
I wonder the same thing - all of hurry up testers just take the jpeg directly from the card despite Canon saying it should be viewed using DPP ....
Did use the latest 4.17.30. the artifacts in the files is identical to the ones that are opened with Photoshop. But what I discover is that if you take two photos of the same object, one may have some artifacts but the other may come out cleaner. Can't explain this.
I tested it and works just excellent, didn t see those strange arctifacts
Did a quick test of this earlier using my R5 and the RF 24-70 f2.8, did not get any pixel separation or what you'd call it. Did a test shot at 2.8 and just put the camera down on a window sill, 2 sec timer. Worked fine. And by "fine" I mean it took a picture and didn't get the separation (even with tree branches moving). It's still JPG, pretty soft and the chromatic aberration is kind of bad.
Glad it worked for you. I'm going to be looking into it more this weekend, but already it seems it will be of no use if I want to do handheld or artificial light, or potentially moving subjects, which rules out 95% of what I use my camera for :(
@@kimayres Sorry to upset you, but these conclusions were obvious in advance. Because the above limitations are typical in general for this method.
He was desperately hoping for a free lunch. Hah! Good job anyways Kim! Thanks for taking the time and pulling the curtain back on this 'magic'. Good job. Maybe we will get surprised later??
Hi fella. I've been researching this pixel shift mode from Canon before deciding to update. Jpeg only is useless as a product photographer. The jpeg artefacts can come from a couple of reasons. 1. The R5 has a low pass filter on the sensor (said to stop moire but it doesn't) 2. The tripod and head has to be rock solid (I use a manfrotto 058B tripod and 410 geared head) 3. All image stabilisation has to be switched off, even on a tripod, as the sensor can be fooled and shake when a shot is being taken. All in all, if you want a large size image, use a MF camera. I will continue to rent one for paid work. For events and certain portraits, my R5 is the workhorse of choice. Hope this helps
Sturdy tripod, 2 second timer or remote trigger, no movement of subject or camera setup AT ALL. Take the shot 3 or 4 times. Pretty good chance one of them will be impressively sharp. Pixel shift can be great but you have to control the conditions very carefully.
Works well for photographing totally still subjects. Use case is product photography.
Was the 400MP photo taken handheld? I didn’t get that artifact effect at all. I used tripod with 2 second timer turned on. Just wished Canon did option for a RAW image and not jpeg only!
What adapter were you using? Have you done the same test with an RF lens?
It was the Canon Mount Adaptor EF-EOS R. I don't have an RF lens yet, but I don't think this is a lens issue. Let me know if you discover otherwise though :)
@@kimayres It is clear that the technology is demanding on the sharpness of the image in all fields of the frame, so the effect of it on frames shot with a minimum depth of field can be disappointing.
I tried an IBIS enlarged test, I'm not able to duplicate the stitch issues you had. I put my camera on a inexpensive tripod, 2 second delay. RF 24-70@70mm, 1/10sec, f/4.0, ISO 320. I shot a test pattern that I downloaded and printed.. Mind you, I think the 400Megapixel feature's usefulness is rather limited (anything that moves won't work : things like sports, nature, animals, kids, portraits, landscapes on a breezy day, ocean shots if there's any wind at all, car races, etc, etc, etc)
I am looking for a camera capable of taking textile pictures. Capture detailed colors and thread textures without any aliasing. No color or other noise. Can I use this?
If you handheld for the multshot series, it's not going to work very well with many super-resolution processes. Think about it, any slight movement in close-focus or macro will alter perspective with respect to the subject. You need to use a locked-down tripod to have any chance at all.
Try another hand-held series with subjects at a distance and you should get much better results, because you distance from the subject will allow a very similar perspective for each frame in the series of images.
Changes in illumination between images can also cause issues, so watch out for flickering light sources like old fluorescent lights.
Thank you for your thoughts. I understand what you're saying, however, if you watch the video you'll hear me say I had it on a tripod using a 2 second timer. And this was taken by window light. :)
Sorry, multitasking here. Still, try a more distant subject and see if that helps. (I'm a retired corporate product photographer with 31 years in the same corporation. Yes, I've done a fair amount of super-resolution images.)
@@kimayres i took a picture of the mountain with the same mode and it didn't work either.
@@kimayresI’ve tried that too, and in my tests 2 sec wasn’t enough, even if camera was fixed to stiff tripod, while releasing shutter timer with my hand - it was still making this micro wobble. This cannot be seen in standard resolution, but is a problem when stitching in this mode.
10 second delay shutter fixed it, but still there was no benefit from 400 megapixels, as my lens aren’t sharp enough (even RF85 2.0 which is very sharp in my opinion).
@@kimayres I used ISO 200, exposure 1/100 sec. F/4 (Canon RF 24-70 L2.8 IS-off). Tripod + shutter timer. I really liked the result . Subjectively, the difference turned out to be like between FHD and 4K.
So I shoot with a Phase One XF with IQ4 back at work doing art reproduction. My personal camera is an R5. I was excited about this firmware update and brought my camera to work today to compare the files, thinking maybe I could use the R5 now in certain scenarios. I was also deeply disappointed, because even though I knew it wouldn't compare to the Phase One captures, I thought it would be usable for something. Its just like you said, this is useful for exactly nothing. Unless this is a stepping stone for them (in which case why release it) this was a waste of time for the Canon engineers. I did test on Canon's updated software as well as tripod and trigger and saw the same results. The weird pixelation only occurs at higher than 100%, but the image just doesn't compare to a good raw from the R5 upscaled with proper techniques. Swing and a miss.
I think you've summed it up well - while we knew it wouldn't be taking us to Phase One levels, we did think it would be usable for something. Great for the 1% who photograph under exactly the perfect conditions for this update, but a bit of a "tough s###" to the rest of us :(
I suppose that the IBIS on the Canon R5 works if your lens has image stabilization turned "ON" otherwise the IBIS settings will not show up in photo mode but shows up only on video mode.
I tested it out and definitely had better results
i can't even turn the IBIS function on, any ideas?
Well might been because you used the old ef 24-70 v1 2.8 lens Maybe it. Isnt good enough for 45mp to begin with . I seen people that have rf lenses that are good enough for 45mp get much better result. Im no expert just a guess
I sold all my EFs and upgraded to RFs (15-35, 28-70, 700-200), Kept the adapter for my 100-400. I'll have to see what's up with the 400mp - just updated yesterday.
Maybe use EOS Utility/Digital Photo Professional to check the images according to what Canon says about this new feature. EOS Utility/Digital Photo Professional will need to be upgraded as well.
I think there was some movement in your camera when you shot it, if you make sure it absolutely doesn't move then there isn't ghosting...
I think you're probably right, Anna. I think my disappointment comes from the fact that everything has to be so precise with absolutely no room for the slightest hint of a movement for this to work, that it rules out 99.9% of the photography I'm ever likely to do. But the hype that we were now going to be able to get 400MP photos with our cameras, didn't mention it would only be of any use 0.1% of the time. I enjoyed seeing your video on the subject though, as at least I could see how it could potentially work :)
can you get a raw image out of it?
You need better technique, like it makes no sense using iso 500 for this, you need iso 100, and a better tripod.
I updated the camera. Is it still 45mp how to enable it? Thanks!
Go into your menu. In the red camera settings section go to section 5. The 4th option down says IBIS High Resolution shot - you can enable it from there :)
@Kim Ayres Thanks! When I try to take pictures it stuck with busy... Any idea how to shoot fast without it?
@@anthonyhershko - shooting fast doesn't seem to be an option - it takes 9 photos then stitches them together, which takes time (while it says busy).
@@kimayres Thanks, I will stay with the 45mp..
Except for the fact that it’s bigger in file size, single raw is much more better if you are going to edit the photos.
Hey Canon, reléase an R1 with TRUE 100Mp FF and stops selling toyotas as ferraris, ok???
lol r5 is not a toyota, its a lexus
@@FordSierraIS I would hope that it is at Least a BMW or Mercedes. Ferrari? No. Hopefully the R1 will indeed be that.
I thought it was just useless (JPG only) but it seems to be rather dangerous if you rely on it? Let's hope you did in fact make mistakes whatever they may be.
Set the camera to continuous and it should shoot the full set of images in one burst.
And obviously use a tripod and be careful about moving your weight near the tripod. At such high resolutions even sunlight heating up a metal tripod can be enough to create enough metal expansion to create artifacts.
Also do not expect much sharper images, it is more about creating a smoother image and reducing moiree on fine textures. There are also few Canon lenses that would deliver enough sharpness to be captured with a true 400MP resolution.
I use Pixel shift with the Sony a1 and the results are great. Slight increase in resolution, significantly cleaner image, but with Sony the final output is 16 bit from the set of 14 bit captures. The maliability and tonal depth of the files at 16 bit is fantastic.
It is likely that the R5 will not have this tonal and color depth due to the fact that electronic shutter is only 12 bit with the R5.
finally someone who makes sense :)
Details are good but there are artifacts in photos.
it should show you the spines inside the fish 🤣🤣🤣
All that for a crappy looking JPEG??? No RAW???? NO THANKS. I'll wait for the R1 (or R5 Mk II)!
Absolute P##s take by Canon.
I can't understand why they bothered.
What happened to Pre-burst.
You know, something that would have some point to it.
I'm a wildlife photographer, particularly birds. Pre-focus would have been a fantastic update option.
Wow that’s disappointing indeed!
I just updated my R5 and the very first picture I took looked like an absolute mess, horrific. Me, thinking this can't possibly be Canon crippling a new feature(!) I tried again and again - with the same result - it's an embarrasing mess. Canon this Firmware is NOT ready for BETA testing, let alone general release. I'm getting really bored with Canon pulling this crap. Grrrr.
In short, it's a useless 'update'.
Hey Kym, I found the same issue and I used a tripod also. Unsing the 24-105 f4 for my tests at around F8 and F4 same issues. Utter CRAP!
Canon just keeps us talking while they are late for new cameras to be released :)
The R5C update is a complete joke though... lol
Kinda Topaz-ish......nothing against them. Can't get something from anything less or equal. ....usually.