Thank you for the video. I know the Asian style is faster and for war, but I enjoy better now the Mediterranean style. It's more accurate and smooth, like for hunting.
Thanks Armin, just bought a toth Magyar bow and hope to start shooting with a thumb ring, very informative videos, I will continue watching, thanks, Ty
Thank you for your spirit and videos. I have one question I couldn't find the answer, why/how don't you or anyone in your videos use finger protection for the Mediterranean release?
Hi Armin, Why your preference for using Mediterranean style release rather than three fingers under the arrow? Also wondered if you could consider doing a short video on arrows? -... Any info on your preferences - wood/carbon, spine /weight etc especially for low poundage bows; makes that are affordable; fletchings .... This could be especially helpful for folks new to archery and people like myself who have been shooting a short while and really want to improve.Bought two Flagella youth twin bows after seeing your review on them - they are fantastic!Many thanks!!
hi Emily. i simply don't like 3 finger under :) yes and a video about the arrows we use is already in the making :) thanks for watching and have fun with your new bows (hint hint thumb release is even more fun!!)
@@ArminHirmer I'll keep looking, not sure which video. To clarify if needed I mean a Mediterranean draw that's still on the left side too. Thank you for responding.
@@stevenmitchell1743 I don't find mine, was included in another video about khatra I guess. But here is one for you :) ua-cam.com/video/MVjAO67g2_I/v-deo.html
@@ArminHirmer Wow, thank you so much! Keep up the great work!
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The anchor point is the corner of the mouth, that I understand. Yet I see a lot of peoples touching the corner of the mouth with the index finger not the middle finger. Which is correct and what would be the difference? I use the middle finger, not the index, as I like the arrow to be slightly higher and also the middle finger is a tad longer that the index finger. Thank you for your instructive videos!
Armin, are there any significant advantages to the Mediterranean draw over thumb release? I grew up on the Mediterranean technique - I am just now trying thumb release (which I like better because it seems to be smoother) - and only still use it for the sake of variety when the bow requires it (e.g. my Bear recurve which has an arrow shelf on the left). Can you think of any ways or circumstances in which the Mediterranean draw is superior?
many say it is easier to learn and easier to be more accurate - but that simply because you have the arrow on the bow better in sight. I don't see any advantage.
Armin Hirmer I have found this to be very true for me. I’m trying not to let this dissuade me from my thumb release practice though. It is nice to switch to Mediterranean for a few shots. This will likely be how I hunt grouse until I have become more proficient aiming with thumb release.
Hi Armin Klasse erklärt.....das hilft mir bei meinen Bogenschülern u Neulingen in meiner Bogen Gruppe. Mein Englisch ist miserabel....darum schreib ich auf Deutsch. Ich liebe deine Videos...echt super..neutral...u informativ die Bogen Vorstellungen. Nächste Anschaffung bei mir ist ein Horse Bow das reitzt mich schon lange. Weiter so.....Daumen oben. Gruß Jürgen
I watched another video of yours, a 3 min Friday, where you mention you don't like anchors and prefer an expanding release. I understand you're teaching this method to people who shoot this way, but would the expanding release work for Mediterranean draw as well or only thumb? Great video either way
Question about hand flipping back in thumb draw, like in Kyudo or some horsearchery videos. Is there a purpose for that? Saw Lukas Novotny for example throwing his draw hand back quite forcefully.
In Kyodo it is more a form factor and the follow through ending back tension. Does not increase arrow speed. Lucas and many other horseback archers do it more for the sake of being balanced and maybe increase the speed of the arrow.
Hi Armin . I bought the snake bow over xmas. Getting more practice in now that the days are getting longer. One question should i take the string off the bow when im not using it.?
+Armin Hirmer I have a very short draw length with a 3 finger draw till the corner of my mouth is their any way i can extend my my draw length (historically correct method) while still using the 3 finger draw ?
Hello Mohamed. You can use the medieval chest draw with 3 fingers, you can put the arrow on the other side and shoot with slavic release (still 3 fingers) check my video about that - and draw to your chest or earlobe then.
Armin is a decent guy but in this case I do not agree with his advice. Having a very short draw length myself (he does not), I feel I am better qualified to answer from personal experience. A while back, the members of my club got together, and we compared draw lengths, then we all stood back to back to compare wingspan, and we also looked at the length of our arm sections. What we realized was that while the upper arm is very similar between people of the same height, the forearm length is highly variable. Someone 2 inches shorter than me had much longer forearms, and as a result had a longer draw length. A very "standard" anchor point to the corner of the mouth was also very natural for him. The goal of the anchor is to have the arrow aligned with the arrow at full draw so you are holding with skeletal support and little muscle energy. So if that does not happen with the finger at the corner of the mouth, simply pull back further and use your thumb behind your ear. That is what I do and it works better for the alignment when one has short forearms. The corner of the mouth is NOT one size fits all! If after doing that it is not long enough of a draw, just do a warbow draw like the english guys do. Mark Stretton has some good advice on getting consistent using hand contact to the side of the face: markstretton.blogspot.com/2015/04/arrow-hand-ii-establishing-anchor-point.html Note how that is a draw to the neck and shoulder area, NOT the chest. I would also strongly discourage the slavic draw the way Armin does it.
Hello, at first sorry but my english isn't good. Better explication than all my archery masters before. One question: Which bow is this? Thank you for your channel!!!
Short, precise, easy to understand ... thank you.
Awesome video. Great level of detail. I learned so much and now know some bad habits to watch out for.
Howard Hill was saying: when shooting, upon release, with both hands do nothing ! some right words.....! Hector
Thank-you ❤😊
I just relax my fingers and they let go by themself
Thank you for the video. I know the Asian style is faster and for war, but I enjoy better now the Mediterranean style. It's more accurate and smooth, like for hunting.
Love this guy sooo...Good thank you 😊
thanks for the informative hand movement ending
Legend, many thanks from Wales 🙏
Thank you very much.I try these.
It works! Thanks Armin😇 🏹
Thanks alot for this great video. I will try and apply all this next time i come by hehe.
Thanks Armin, just bought a toth Magyar bow and hope to start shooting with a thumb ring, very informative videos, I will continue watching, thanks, Ty
enjoy your bow and thanks for watching
Mediterranean Release was what I was taught, perhaps your pointers will help me when I start back up.
Many thanks for this video. Very useful.
thank you
Thank you for your spirit and videos. I have one question I couldn't find the answer, why/how don't you or anyone in your videos use finger protection for the Mediterranean release?
I personally don’t like it that much and a sling a stehe poundage of the bow is not too high it’s fine :)
@@ArminHirmer Thank you for sharing this awesome content.
Hi Armin, Why your preference for using Mediterranean style release rather than three fingers under the arrow? Also wondered if you could consider doing a short video on arrows? -... Any info on your preferences - wood/carbon, spine /weight etc especially for low poundage bows; makes that are affordable; fletchings .... This could be especially helpful for folks new to archery and people like myself who have been shooting a short while and really want to improve.Bought two Flagella youth twin bows after seeing your review on them - they are fantastic!Many thanks!!
hi Emily. i simply don't like 3 finger under :) yes and a video about the arrows we use is already in the making :) thanks for watching and have fun with your new bows (hint hint thumb release is even more fun!!)
thanks for the lessons
Gracias, una versión en español seria genial, pero igualmente muy bueno
sorry Claudio... my spanish is not enough for it :)
no problem, you are also very expressive. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Armin, I had a question that I couldn't find an answer to. Is it possible to use Khatra with a Mediterranean draw? Why or why not? Thank you.
I did a video about it recently
@@ArminHirmer I'll keep looking, not sure which video. To clarify if needed I mean a Mediterranean draw that's still on the left side too. Thank you for responding.
@@stevenmitchell1743 I don't find mine, was included in another video about khatra I guess. But here is one for you :) ua-cam.com/video/MVjAO67g2_I/v-deo.html
@@ArminHirmer Wow, thank you so much! Keep up the great work!
The anchor point is the corner of the mouth, that I understand. Yet I see a lot of peoples touching the corner of the mouth with the index finger not the middle finger. Which is correct and what would be the difference? I use the middle finger, not the index, as I like the arrow to be slightly higher and also the middle finger is a tad longer that the index finger. Thank you for your instructive videos!
I guess there is no right or wrong, just what works for you. I feel it more natural with the middle finger
Armin, are there any significant advantages to the Mediterranean draw over thumb release? I grew up on the Mediterranean technique - I am just now trying thumb release (which I like better because it seems to be smoother) - and only still use it for the sake of variety when the bow requires it (e.g. my Bear recurve which has an arrow shelf on the left). Can you think of any ways or circumstances in which the Mediterranean draw is superior?
many say it is easier to learn and easier to be more accurate - but that simply because you have the arrow on the bow better in sight. I don't see any advantage.
Armin Hirmer I have found this to be very true for me. I’m trying not to let this dissuade me from my thumb release practice though. It is nice to switch to Mediterranean for a few shots. This will likely be how I hunt grouse until I have become more proficient aiming with thumb release.
Hi Armin
Klasse erklärt.....das hilft mir bei meinen Bogenschülern u Neulingen in meiner Bogen Gruppe.
Mein Englisch ist miserabel....darum schreib ich auf Deutsch.
Ich liebe deine Videos...echt super..neutral...u informativ die Bogen Vorstellungen.
Nächste Anschaffung bei mir ist ein Horse Bow das reitzt mich schon lange.
Weiter so.....Daumen oben.
Gruß Jürgen
Vielen lieben Dank Jürgen. keine Sorge, mein Deutsch wird immer schlechter hahaha. Freut mich, wenn ich was tun kann :)
Ach noch was.....Grüß Gott und Sodele.Zu Schön hahahah
ja geh weida
I watched another video of yours, a 3 min Friday, where you mention you don't like anchors and prefer an expanding release. I understand you're teaching this method to people who shoot this way, but would the expanding release work for Mediterranean draw as well or only thumb?
Great video either way
yes works almost in the same way
no thought no think just know it hits the mark
empty mind know that it's right on point
focus works
Is it me or does Armin look like Greg House from the tv show House MD.
Hahaha ya there is a resemblance
yeah, he does.... wish he had the same sarcasm.... would be awesome: house with archery
Yeah, thought the same. The face shape, the beard and hair are very similar.
Thank You
Question about hand flipping back in thumb draw, like in Kyudo or some horsearchery videos. Is there a purpose for that? Saw Lukas Novotny for example throwing his draw hand back quite forcefully.
In Kyodo it is more a form factor and the follow through ending back tension. Does not increase arrow speed. Lucas and many other horseback archers do it more for the sake of being balanced and maybe increase the speed of the arrow.
Thank you, that was helpful. =)
Wow I saw myself in way to many of the mistake shots! Probably why I pull every arrow to the left.
:) thanks for watching Mark
Hi Armin . I bought the snake bow over xmas. Getting more practice in now that the days are getting longer. One question should i take the string off the bow when im not using it.?
Yes you should always unstring your bow. But on the other side I heard of German companies who ship the bow strung...
@@ArminHirmer thanks Armin i will do. Any suggestion on what type of arm band . Im still learning and getting hit in the arm a few times
hy armin, thx for your vids. which bow is the one in this video?
tia
Hi Markus. This is our regular training bow the Snake Recurve from Arc Rolan France
+Armin Hirmer I have a very short draw length with a 3 finger draw till the corner of my mouth is their any way i can extend my my draw length (historically correct method) while still using the 3 finger draw ?
Hello Mohamed. You can use the medieval chest draw with 3 fingers, you can put the arrow on the other side and shoot with slavic release (still 3 fingers) check my video about that - and draw to your chest or earlobe then.
Armin is a decent guy but in this case I do not agree with his advice. Having a very short draw length myself (he does not), I feel I am better qualified to answer from personal experience.
A while back, the members of my club got together, and we compared draw lengths, then we all stood back to back to compare wingspan, and we also looked at the length of our arm sections.
What we realized was that while the upper arm is very similar between people of the same height, the forearm length is highly variable. Someone 2 inches shorter than me had much longer forearms, and as a result had a longer draw length. A very "standard" anchor point to the corner of the mouth was also very natural for him.
The goal of the anchor is to have the arrow aligned with the arrow at full draw so you are holding with skeletal support and little muscle energy. So if that does not happen with the finger at the corner of the mouth, simply pull back further and use your thumb behind your ear. That is what I do and it works better for the alignment when one has short forearms. The corner of the mouth is NOT one size fits all!
If after doing that it is not long enough of a draw, just do a warbow draw like the english guys do. Mark Stretton has some good advice on getting consistent using hand contact to the side of the face:
markstretton.blogspot.com/2015/04/arrow-hand-ii-establishing-anchor-point.html
Note how that is a draw to the neck and shoulder area, NOT the chest.
I would also strongly discourage the slavic draw the way Armin does it.
many archers, many opinions
thank to both of you
where can I find a bow like this
Bow is sold under name "60 inch Snake", by different manufacturers (PSE, SAS, Arc Rolan...). There is 48 inch version for kids.
Hello, at first sorry but my english isn't good. Better explication than all my archery masters before. One question: Which bow is this? Thank you for your channel!!!
Oh, er.... I just see it below :P
:) Snake Recurve from Arc Rolan, our training bow
Thank you!! :)
667 likes. How could you!
feathers on the wrong side
Wrong side of the arrow?
@@ArminHirmer do you shoot with the feather against the bow
@@tysonesh898 of course, it makes no difference in traditional archery with feathers, for me and all my students.
@@ArminHirmer i think its called feather bounce